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I've recently had a similar experience - I'm in away from home in France at the moment so, needing more nappies, I found the local medical supply shop (much easier in France than England), saw that they had the complete abena range, thought I'd died and gone to heaven, and picked up two packs of x plus, only to find, when I opened the pack that they were the cloth backed variety. Oh well, give them a go I thought - trying to take them back and exchange them would be complicated especially as my French is rather limited. And yes, I had the same experience - they just don't stay dry on the outside. The only way I've found them to be completely dependent is to wear plastic pants on top, which is what I've started doing - but that rather defeats the point of the cloth-like cover! OTOH, I have found that the tapes were pretty amazing - much more stable than on abena's plastic backed diapers. But ... it's plastic backed for me every time from now on ...

Indeed - you can find references in British newspapers and advertisements in the C19th to ballroom floors being covered with 'diaper cloth' presumably as an aid to dancing. And you can bet that the material wasn't used either before or after for the wrapping of children's posteriors!

I think there will be a difference between disposables and cloth. I've done it with the former occasionally (for example, needing a shower but when there was clearly plenty of capacity left in the nappy - and then risked an hour undiapered just to let my skin breathe a bit more) and there have been no problems: the core of a disposable I guess locks the piss away and makes it hard for bacteria to breed). With a cloth nappy though I think it would be much riskier/uncomfortable - wouldn't recommend it!

OK - here are mine ... 1. Do you wear diapers in public: d. Every day and whenever I go somewhere - I WEAR 24/7 2. Are your diapers: a. Always discreat inside your pants and never visible ALTHOUGH I THINK MY T SHIRT HAS OCCASIONALLY RIDDEN UP A BIT ... 3. Do you: c. Don't want anyone you know to notice but strangers noticing your in diapers is OK - I HIDE MY DIAPERS BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE END OF THE WORLD IF SOMEONE GLIMPSED A BIT OF WAISTBAND ... 4. When out in public do you: c. Both - I'M URINARY INCONTINENT SO I WET ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. I ONLY MESS IF I KNOW I'LL BE OUTSIDE UNTIL I CAN CHANGE OR I'M CLOSE TO HOME 5. In answer to the above, do you: a. Always use your diapers when out in public - 24/7 INCONTINENT ... 6. If you use your diapers, do you: a. Take any odor control pills to cut any smell - ALTHOUGH I DON'T MESS IN PUBLIC OFTEN, ODOUR CONTROL PILLS ARE A GOOD IDEA 7. Has anyone noticed your diapers and: I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS NOTICED - IF THEY HAVE I HAVEN'T REALISED ... 8. If you buy your diapers in drug or medical supply stores, do you: I BUY ALL MY DIAPERS ONLINE 9. If your out shopping and need to change, do you: b. Find a restroom and change 10. If you change in restrooms when out in public, do you: I FIND THE NEAREST PUBLIC TOILET THAT I THINK WILL BE CLEAN; FORTUNATELY I RARELY HAVE TO CHANGE AWAY FROM HOME AS MY DIAPERS TEND TO LAST. 11. If you change in a public restroom, do you: d. Just change your diaper without caring who may notice what your doing I DOUBT VERY MUCH WHETHER HEARING THOSE TAPES REALLY GIVES AWAY THAT I'M NAPPIES - PEOPLE JUST DON'T THINK OF WHAT THE SOUND IS ... 12. What kind of clothes do you wear when out in your diapers: a. Jeans or regular pants that cover your diapers c. Shorts that hide your diapers DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER ... 13. When out diapered in public, do you: a. Just run normal errands like anyone else I WEAR 24/7 SO I DO EVERYTHING ... 14. Are you: a. Comfortable being out in public wearing diapers under your clothes 15. Do you wear your diapers to work a. Always 16. Do you wear diapers when you go to: YES TO ALL! a. Visit relatives at their home b. Family get togethers c. Bars or clubs d. Friends homes 17. Do you feel: c. It's OK if your diapers show out the back of your pants when you bend down I DON'T TRY TO DO THIS BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IF SOMETHING SHOWS BY ACCIDENT ...

This is a tongue in cheek clarifications : "Cricket as explained to a foreigner" ... You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game! On another subject - jmcnappy - ironic that bikers in nappies are happy to be wet on the inside but not on the outside!

Yeah, congratulations in achieving your goal. I've also become incontinent through long-term diaper use and whilst I realise that it's not for everyone, or even for many people at all, I don't regret what's happened a bit so I can understand exactly what you've wanted to achieve and the satisfaction that comes from getting there. I wouldn't want to be without my nappies now and to me being incontinent is being free - no more worrying about finding bathrooms, stopping doing other things etc etc. I just relax and my bladder does its thing and I get to enjoy the results - I love the frequent and unpredictable dribble and the sensation I get when I realise that my diaper is getting wet again. I'm not bowel incontinent but does everything in my nappies anyway - very happy to be toilet free!

Thanks for all the info. Here in the UK I always buy online but in Italy I'd need to be able to find them in shops as I can hardly have a pack or two delivered to the hotel. Although taking enough from home would be sensible, that's soooo many! I've never been to Italy before but am looking forward to it hugely - so thanks for the good wishes :-)

I'm going to Italy on holiday in September and wondered if it was easy to buy diapers in shops there (pref decent brands like tena or abena). Every country in Europe seems to be different according to its healthcare arrangements (Germany and UK = difficult, France = easy) but as I've never been to Italy I don't know if I need to pack my bags full or can pick up a few when I get there ... All help gratefully received :-)

To be honest it's difficult to give hard and fast guidance: I've been in nappies 24/7 for several years and am often in a messy nappy for 10 or 12 hours :-) I don't use any cream or oil and I never get a rash - but I think that's probably because my skin has adapted over time (and it's still smooth!!) But if you're not used to it I can imagine you'd get a bad rash if you were in a dirty nappy for that long. As a suggestion I'd be careful about going over 2 hours if it's your first time. Have fun!!

If he's 9 years old and already 150lb I wouldn't be worrying about whether he messes his diapers right now, I'd be worried that he might be clinically obese which, to be honest, has potentially far more serious long-term impacts than his toilet habits ...

I wouldn't say that I've lost my sexual appetite through wearing nappies 24/7 - they're as much a turn-on now as they've ever been. I masturbate pretty much every day but always in my diaper - so in that sense I guess you could argue that diapers are enough in themselves and I don't feel the need of a sexual partner very often. I suspect that if I weren't wearing nappies and the masturbation was just 'vanilla' that wouldn't be the case, but the diapers seem to do it for me pretty much everytime. Oh course, if I could find a diapered boyfriend who I really liked that would probably be the ideal :-)

I hate to state the obvious, but if you become incontinent then you *will* have to wear 24/7 - and your parents will know!

I wear 24/7 so inevitably I wear at work - no-one has said anything - so they're either oblivious or too polite. I suspect they're oblivious - after all, do people really wander around gazing at people's crotches wondering if they look slightly oddly shaped and concluding that they must be wearing a nappy?!

I wouldn't say 'losing control' yet but becoming much more relaxed and, if you do want to become incontinent, you're going in the right direction. Losing control is really when you move beyond that: either (a) get the urge to go but can't stop it, ( pee much more frequently than before but much smaller volumes,

I agree - no-one notices :-) I've been wearing 24/7 for several years and no-one has said anything. Leafy is right - unless you 'ask for it' by wearing skater jeans half way around your ankles it's not difficult to get away with being diapered - a onesie helps with the shirt thing and I think that even if you need to change in a public toilet very few people - men anyway - would think 'someone's changing a nappy' if they here the tape sound - they'll wonder what the noise is probably but won't make the connection ...

I'm glad you've come to terms with who you are too - whether you come out early or late it's a relief and although it's sometimes the case that people have bad reactions from their friends I think generally things are getting easier, at least in Europe - north America seems to vary a lot more ... I've always been a bit suspicious of the biological theories though - (a) because in the future this means that things might be 'bred out' - and, as I'm really happy with who I am and also think of the contribution lesbians and gay men make to society in part because of their sexuality, that would be a bad thing and ( because we're in danger of explaining away everything biologically - crime, obesity, alcoholism etc. - and, in my view, we are responsible for our own actions and should carry at least some of the responsibility for what we do even if, by some accident of nature, we have to cope with difficulties. A big part of who we are results from our facing difficult situations - if we remove them all, no matter how wonderful that sounds, the human race will be impoverished. But that's got away from the point really! Good luck!

I confess I'm confused by the argument that if you're urinary incontinent that you'll also inevitably become bowel incontinent - surely if that was the case the number of bowel and bladder incontinent people would be much closer together? I understand that urinary incontinence is not just caused by/related to the sphincter muscles so this might be part of the explanation for the difference in numbers - but I'm still confused! I can only tell you what incontinence is like for me: I sometimes realise I need to pee but sensing that comes on pretty quickly and often not in time to get to a bathroom (or, even if there is time, I'm not in a situation where I can stop what I'm doing in order to go to the bathroom). I tend to dribble rather than flood; I can usually feel the flow starting 'inside' but I can't feel anything towards the end of my urethra so I don't really sense when I start to pee and have no sense at all about when I stop - as I'm not emptying a full bladder there isn't that sense of physical relief you get from the removal of the pressure. I'm very happy in my nappies so I don't make any effort to control things so that's no doubt made my incontinence more 'severe' - I don't know to what extent if any my muscles have atrophied and, as I enjoy being incontinent, haven't tried anything that might lead me to regain control ...

Continental European clothes sizes are different to British ones. There's a conversion chart from suprima pants here: http://www.airoliver.de/save/index.php?cat=070 Hüpf = hips so a size 38 fits hips of 94 cm (excluding the nappy). I might be tempted - I can fit a small with disposables and I really like suprima's black snap ons :-)

I agree with abrera - I don't think the bladder shrinks as such, but it empties more frequently, and you feel the urge to go strongly even if there's not much in there. So your bladder behaviour changes. But if I drink beer then I still find that when I get the urge to pee - and it comes on quickly - I still pee a lot. OTOH in a normal day-to-day situation I find I pee a little and often, and quite often dribble without noticing. While sometimes I notice that I'm peeing, especially if the flow is reasonably strong (although it's a lot weaker than it used to be) I notice that I have no sense of stopping and seem to dribble for ages. So if you stay 24/7 and use your nappies whenever you need to and never hold back, the behaviour of your bladder will change, and the natural state of 'holding on' will reduce. Quite how this will turn out in the end depends on the individual I think, as does the amount of time it will take. I guess you have to decide if this is what you want - if you're happy being in nappies 24/7 and want to become incontinent then go for it. I'm very happy that way - but it's not for everyone as many people here will tell you ...

I read this post on another forum a few weeks ago and wondered if this was a way for people to achieve incontinence. Clearly there's still the question of finding a medic willing to do the procedure but a stent does not damage the body and can be removed (although, as I understand it they're intended to be left in situ for a long period) so it doesn't raise the ethical problems of surgery. Of course, a medic would still want to know why anyone wanted the procedure. Does anyone here have any experience of stents etc.? Here's the post: I had a Urolume stent put in back in 2002. I consider it the best thing I have ever done to treat my neurogenic bladder. True, I now have continual leakage, but that has been so much better than the "flooding" and the retention which used to give me one bladder infection per month on the average. A slow leakage is handled so much better by a diaper as it gives the moisture time to be wicked away by the cloth or padding. I rarely leak through my diaper anymore - even at night. The surgery to implant the stent was simple and painless - they used a local anesthetic. I was out and back on my feet immediately with no recovery period.

In a sense I agree with Lucy - my own experience (as a gay man) has been that some men who would normally consider themselves straight will, because of the apparent domination of the AB/DL community by men, be prepared to experiment sexually with other men if the episode incorporates diapers. I suppose it's not unlike the situation that pertained in the army and navy historically when men would have sex with each other due to the lack of the preferred alternative, i.e. someone female. I imagine that most men who experiment this way remain essentially 'straight', but some may redefine themselves as bi-curious, bi, or even gay ...

Sigh - that's exactly the type of polemic I was suggesting is unhelpful. You are assuming that what is self-evident to you has to be a view shared by everyone else and that anyone who disagrees must be an 'idiot'. Truly though, this is not the case: there are many disabled people, for example, who celebrate their disability and, upon being asked if they would like their disability to be 'removed', will say 'no, definitely not' (I believe this is more common amongst those who have their condition from birth, rather than those who acquire a condition later on). I find that attitude difficult to understand - why would someone deaf or blind not want to be able to hear or see? - but some people do feel that way. If we cannot accept that different people have different attitudes then we have a big problem as verbal abuse is the first stage on a slippery slope to intolerance, hatred, and violence. Sure, one does not have to slide down the slippery slope, but I'd prefer not to get on it in the first place if I can possibly help it ...

I always told myself not to be involved in a thread on this subject, but as it keeps coming up ... First and foremost this is a fetish board and people are going to come here to talk about their fetishes, which will vary from those which are 'mild' and shared by many/most posters, and those which are 'stronger' and are unusual to the point of being individual. No doubt on occasion some posters will find some of these 'stronger' interests difficult to understand or to sympathise with but in those instances the best thing surely is to shrug one's shoulders and to move on to another thread. Personally I have no interest in and don't really understand sissy play as part of the AB/DL scene but I realise that it's present and accept it as an element I will read about from time to time. The DD incontinence board is a slightly unusual case as it is a place in which people with medical conditions mix with people with fetishes, and there are quite a few instances of people who have a foot in both camps, so to speak. Given that unusual situation perhaps we have all to expect to read threads the sentiments of which we disagree with. If, for example, you want a forum in which the discussion of incontinence is purely about dealing with medical issues and practical approaches to dealing with the consequences of being incontinent in day-to-day life, then a forum such as InContact (www.incontact.org) is, for example, an excellent place; on that board there is a strict policy of medical/practical discussion only with no fetish posting allowed. The Yahoo Group AdultIncon works on a similar basis. Personally, I have always thought that the fact that DD includes a wide variety of people with all sorts of different experiences, aspirations and needs is a very healthy one, rather than us separating into lots of small groups, but the consequence of that is that a much greater diversity of opinions likely to be expressed and we all need to expect that we will see views with which we disagree. To those who are incontinent and wouldn't wish it on anyone else: remember DD clearly sells itself as a place for people who like wearing diapers and so, for some, being or becoming incontinent will form part of the excitement; To those who are not incontinent but would like to be: be careful what you wish for because fantasy and reality aren't the same thing; And finally, remember that there are a few people who are incontinent and quite content with their situation, so readers of this thread do not have to define themselves as belonging to one or other of the two preceding groups. Ultimately we can only talk about our own experiences; we all need to realise that they are unique to us and cannot be wished on others. Given that, we're all going to read things we don't agree with, don't understand and, on occasion, find offensive. If it becomes too much then there is always the option to walk away.

You're certainly setting yourself a challenge if you're going to wear and use 24/7 whilst living at home but without your family finding out ... But if you're going to do it, then I guess you need to have thought about/have answers for the following: - What will you say if, somehow or other, someone at home find your diaper supply or realises that you're wearing diapers? [i mean, literally, at that moment, how will you explain things?] - Make sure you have a fool-proof (or almost fool-proof) plan for being able to change when you need to, and for disposing of used diapers cleanly and without the fear of discovery (I'm guessing that you don't want your folks to find out ..) - Are there any situations in which family or friends might see you (partially) undressed in a routine situation (do you walk around the house with no shirt, or just in shorts; do you go to the gym or swimming; do you have friends how are physically tactile and might slap you on the butt etc.). If any of these apply, how will you hide your diaper, or will anyone notice if you change your behaviour to accommodate your diaper-wearing? - Watch out for diaper rash and clean thoroughly when you change - my guess is that going from occasional wearing to 24/7 may require a period of adjustment from your skin; only you will know how strong your skin is through trial and error. - Make sure you have a way of always having a clean diaper with you in case you need to change plus wipes etc.. If you don't want to be found out, make sure it's in a place you can get to but others can't. - If you're going to be messing, put a wet wipe in the relevant of part of your diaper so that when you can change you simply lift/tip most of the 'debris' into a toilet. - Although I don't think anyone (apart from people like us) really looks at each other's arses trying to work out if they are in diapers on not, it might be worth taking a few steps to decrease the likelihood of being discovered (again, I'm presuming this is important to you) - onesies will hide your diaper if your shirt comes untucked; wear shirts/t shirts etc that don't have to be tucked in and can hang over your trousers; onesies or boxer briefs or other snug underwear cut down on any noise your diaper might make (although again, I don't think many people listen out for this or notice it).

Well for better or worse, my fluid intake is not huge (I probably drink 2 or 3 mugs of tea during the day) and so I hardly ever need to change during the day. I may not know when I'm going to pee but I have a good idea of how much volume there will be over several hours and I know my nappy (abriform x plus, so pretty awesome capacity) will cope with it. I don't flood any more, but dribble quite a bit, and the diaper can cope with that much better ...