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I wonder if Wetman's malecot cath idea (see another thread) would work with two of his modifications, one to sit inside the bladder and one against the external sphincter?

That's an interesting idea.

The bumps are made out of sugru (available from all good ebay sites if you can't find it in a shop); no it doesn't hurt at all removing the stent.

Since I last posted in this thread I've continued to experiment with modified caths; I've come up with a perfect design (for me) for day time but I just don't seem to be able to get it to work properly at night :-(

Hmm - not a single comment about the programme by anyone I know on FB - perhaps no-one watches the TV?

Yep, it definitely seems to be one of this year's fashion items - I've seen them for sale or advertised in River Island, Top Man and Burton ... I'm not sure they're strictly onesies as none of them have feet :-( I bought a couple of pairs in Top Man and they're like long johns (fairly thin, close fitting) - great for a cosy night's sleep. And the shops are also selling things that a like a combined hoodie and trackie bottoms (with hood, loose fitting, heavier material). Still - it makes you wonder ;-)

You could try Expectations, Regulation, or Fettered Pleasures. They're all fetish shops so unfortunately they charge rather more than airoliver - but you might save overall because the postage will be less.

My own experience (see the 'other' thread) is that the 'bulb' at the bladder end of the cath needs to be pretty big to stop it slipping out - after all the purpose of the thing is to get rid of stuff rather than the other way around. The urethra though seems to be pretty stretchy - it's not a rigid tube like you'd imagine so can accommodate wider objects than you'd expect once they're past the outer entrance. As always, play carefully - cathing of any sort should be done wisely, cleanly and safely ...

I'm a biker - good to be padded under the leathers - makes things much easier!

@InD - Hope you didn't do any damage! Was this with your latest invention or sometime in the past? @Diapertime42 - Since last writing, the cath came out by itself when I was having a shower. It's all part of the learning curve ... I'll try again next week. There have been no after effects so I'm happy to have another go. I found two interesting things: firstly, at night I didn't wet very much and woke with a bladder that wasn't empty. I 'point down' when I sleep to avoid leaks and it's possible that this cut the flow off, which I wasn't expecting ... Secondly, it made jacking off more difficult (sensitive in a not so good way) although the orgasm itself was incredibly intense. So there's a paradox here - this has always been a very sexual thing for me but while I have the cath in the best option seems to be chastity!

I think just the normal outward pressure that stops a standard cath moving when it's in place - when I've put in a standard foley I always go two or three inches beyond the point when I start to leak and then let it find it's own natural position with the balloon against the internal sphincter. I guess the same principle applies here. And don't forget this cath is quite long - about 8 or 9 inches so it's in most of my urethra - that's a lot of cath to migrate!

And I've posted a video on xtube showing my latest insertion and result ... http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=YRaeo-C467-

Oh sorry - I misunderstoond - 10 cm.

@InD - for some reason I can't see the photos in the posts you mention but perhaps that's just me. As for my cath, it actually only has the one bulb, the one that sits in the bladder - for me that seems to hold it in place. This may be because the cath is actually pretty long - the end is only an inch or two from the end of my penis, and the draining holes only an inch from the end - but as the nerves all seem to be right at the head of the penis I still know when I'm peeing. I've now reinserted the cath, without the string and it's much more comfortable - and I'm experiencing the incontinence I've always wanted; sometimes a vague dribble, sometimes something more, totally unpredictable, totally uncontrollable. I don't know how long it will work for - as I said before, a long ride on the bike moved it out, and I suspect it's something to do with a firm seat and riding position. Anyway, I'll let you know how I get on - for now I feel a pretty constant drip :-)

Hey InD So was that your video that was posted on xtube a few hours ago (are you 'inadiaper'?)? Interesting to know that the stent worked itself out. I sort of experienced the same thing myself - the modified cath I put in came out, but only as a result of a 2 hour ride of my motorbike yesterday; for the 48 hours before that it stayed in place without any problem. In a way this was quite a good thing to discover because I found a way (accidentally) of removing the cath without having to use the string - and it was the string that was causing all the irritation I experienced. So now I feel confident about being to insert the cath without the string. How long did you manage before the stent came out? And how did you make the bumps/deal with the rough edges of the cath? (if that's you in the video)? The ideal solution would be the Spanner stent that was mentioned pages back - just about 5 cm longer so that it bypasses both internal and external sphincters - but I don't suppose the company would make one of those as it defeats the object of their invention!

Just standard stuff I bought in a local craft shop ...

OK, so here's an update on the situation - and there's been progress, though not of the type I was expecting. Firstly, with the steel cath device I bought I've sort of given up on it - I tried two or three more times to get it in, but the shape just didn't seem to work for me. I got it quite a long way in, but I don't think it was far enough. However, I've made rather more progress on the modified foley catheter people have been talking about for a while and right now I have one in, and I've been dribbling on and off for the last couple of hours without any problems. So ... after pondering all these different issues about insertion, retrieval etc. here's what I did. If you want to try this yourself at home (!) you will need: a foley catheter (I used a 16Fr); a syringe for putting water into the balloon; thread of your choice; forceps; a holepunch like the ones that are sold in DIY shops; liquid latex. 1. inject a small amount of water into the balloon - I used enough to make the diameter about 1 cm. 2. fit the forceps on the catheter about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way down - this is trial and error and depends a bit on your anatomy. 3. Cut off the outer end of the cath, about 1 inch below the forceps 4. Now that you can see the two capillaries in the cath, use the holepunch to make holes in main capillary (i.e. the one the urine drains out of). Do this above the forceps so that you'll know immediately if you've hit the water capillary by accident. There's trial and error here too - on one attempt I got a jet of water and that was the end of that device ... 5. Dip the severed end of the cath in some liquid latex and allow to dry - you need to do this several times in order to seal the end completely (see below) and to ensure that you cover the rough end of the cath completely. When the cath is drying, hang it severed end down so that the latex forms a 'blob' on the end. The forceps are still on at this point. This process of dipping and drying takes several hours so you need lots of patience. 6. When you've got a nice smooth end and it's completely dry, remove the forceps. If the later has sealed the end properly you won't have any leaks. 7. Tie some thread at the sealed end of the cath so that you can remove it later. 8. You might want to try to sterilise the cath now by using an antiseptic wipe. 9. You're ready to insert; plenty of an appropriate lube to hand. 10. Inserting is pretty much as normal, until you get the sealed end inside your penis; then you have to work it along from the outside. As I discovered before, the urethra is actually incredibly stretchy, so I had no problem at all getting the bulb inside - it's surprising but not a problem. Eventually the far end of the cath gets to the sphincter and you need more effort. I was a bit flummoxed here - I thought I felt resistance but there was no flow. On the verge of giving up, I pulled gently on the thread to ease things in the other direction and after a few seconds there was a flow. It's been about two hours now and there are no problems so far. Things to consider: - putting the water in the balloon doesn't sound good but I've found that a modest amount isn't a problem - the urethra accommdates it, and it's enough to stay in position - the lose thread I left 'hanging out' is moving neither backwards nor forwards so the cath is stable. - don't make it too short - my first attempt didn't work because the cut down cath was about 5 inches long and I couldn't manipulate it from the outside far enough. 9 to 10 inches worked though; for me the end is still in my shaft and not past my balls. - the thread is a little bit irritating but not too bad. I was worried about this before because I've tried the method described in other posts (i.e. insert the cath as normal, inflate, forceps immediately on the head of the penis, snip and use a cap of some sort - but I couldn't keep that in for more than about 20 mins. With the end of the cath 3 to 4 inches inside, there's no pain (and I guess no nerve endings). Although the thread is a bit irritating, that may subside as I get used to it; I was interested to read on a medical site that people with kidney stones can have a stent fitted which while it has to be inserted surgically, has a thread on the end and can be removed by the patient simply by pulling on the thread - so having thread attached like that is a recognised medical procedure. - I hope the thread is on securely enough for me to remove the cath if/when I want to - this is a risk as it's the first time, but hopefully I won't need to make an embarrassing trip to A&E (and if the balloon will pass as easily out of the bladder as it did in - hopefully yes, as the muscles are designed to let things out and not the other way). It would be interesting to see if there are other ways of managing this. I wondered, for example, about attaching some sort of ball to the end of the cath nearest the outside would work - with liquid latex as strong as it is, it should be possible to get a good join - then you could manoeuvre the cath from behind the ball to get the cath out - but I'm not sure if the ball would also stop the flow of urine. So ... it's been another interesting and so far successful day. There are some unanswered questions here (!) and please don't tell me I'm mad - I've thought a lot about this and am perfectly sane.

And the problem with that is?! ;-)

In reverse order: it's not magnetic (and it was me who mentioned magnets originally), so that won't work. Re 'thread' - the 'cheese wire' analogy is a good one. I don't know enough about human anatomy but the only place it has been painful is just inside the urethra. Perhaps that means there are no nerves with pain receptors (?) further in. There's been no blood so I know the thread hasn't cut anything, but the stinging sensation when I peed after the removal wasn't much fun, and took a few hours to die down too. So I don't think it's particularly the thread where it's attached to the device, it's pulling it taut and against the inside of the urethra that's the problem. Time for some thinking!

No, it didn't get that far. At some point this week I'll try using it the other way around, i.e. bent end first and see if that makes a difference. There's been some pain peeing since I took the device out but I'm 99% sure that's due to the thread rather than the device - I think the lesson there is that a very fine thread is no good since by definition it has an edge; I never have that problem with a conventional cath. So there's another little issue to think about ...

[sOME EXPLICIT DETAILS HERE - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!] OK, so here's an update - good news and bad news ... Good news: the catheter device arrived this morning and is beautifully made, exactly to the dimensions I specified. For those of you interested, it came from www.steelpleasures.co.uk and cost £55 - from order to arrival took six days and the process was easy, discreet and efficient. See the attached pics! Preliminary insertion was fine - not painful anywhere and once past the head of the penis (roughly) couldn't be felt at all . As suggested in another post, I tied fishing line around the end bulb to help removal. Now the bad news: so far it hasn't worked. I encountered the following problems - so if anyone has thoughts comment away! The dimensions of the thing don't seem to be right. Firstly the straight section seems to be too long and won't go around the bend in the urethra. I followed the video and inserted straight end first, so possibly this may work better working the other way around, but I haven't tried this yet. In order to help move the device along the urethra I inserted an 18fr foley cath after it to act as a 'pusher'. Well, obviously there was resistance because of the bend in the urethra, but what was really interesting was that the cath went straight past the bulb and could be inserted pretty much as normal. Which suggests that the urethra is far 'stretchier' than you might expect - so despite the 12mm bulbs of the original device sounding massive and unrealistic, perhaps they are necessary - in effect I had a 24fr bulb *and* an 18fr cath in the same place with no difficulty. The flexibility of the urethra implies that if the bulbs aren't so big the device could move either backwards or forwards unexpectedly. Removal was pretty straight forward; I needed the fishing line. The only downside here is that the fishing is in effect quite sharp along the sides of the urethra because you need to pull it taut in order to get the device moving - I'm a bit worried about this as it might be possible to damage the sides of the urethra as you remove the device. So ... what I wonder now is: [a] might the device work better inserted the other way (bent end first); do the dimensions need to be different - a shorter tube and larger bulbs; [c] can the removal be made less risky? Any thoughts? It's been an interesting day!

@Loveable Guy - TBH I don't see why you need me as a middle man - the company seems very discreet but upfront so there's no reason why people shouldn't deal directly with them. They're based in the UK and say they ship internationally. @diapertime42 - yes, it's stainless steel and I'll attach something to help getting it out; I also wonder if a magnet might not be helpful?! @ All - I'll tell you the cost and the company when the thing arrives and I've made sure it's ok - sorry to sound cagey but I think it's better than a false lead. Apparently it'll be posted by Friday so I/you don't have long to wait!

Basically the dimensions I was given, except that I reduced the size of the balls to 8 mm (I reckon that's a 24Fr catheter which should be ok - I hope it's big enough to prevent unwanted movement). They didn't ask about the purpose and I didn't say - discretion all round :-)

So I've contacted the company I mentioned and they tell me it's easy to make what I want and not too costly, so I've ordered one. I'll post a pic when it arrives and let you all know how it goes - and don't worry I'll be *very* careful!