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I can attest to mother shaming me. She asked me once, "Do you want to be put back into diapers?" My heart wanted to say, "YES!" but I had to say "no..." I don't think I've ever been okay with that, technically. But oh well.

Not a problem. Yeah, if you want a custom solution that can't be solved elsewhere, you have to pay a bit more. So finding your item on Amazon is maybe all you need

I am unsure. I haven't visited the site with any regularity since about 2019.

If one were to use an Arduino 33 IoT as the microcontroller for this idea, the best place to put it would be on the front of the diaper (outside of it, perhaps, in the pubic region) and then sensors could be fixed to the outside of the diaper (depending on material) or even be placed inside, if necessary. My only question at that point is what will you use for power? The operating voltage of this model is 3.3 V with a max of 21 V. I suppose one could use a 9 V battery for a while, depending on how much current the circuit reliably needs to operate. This model does claim to operate at low power, even with Bluetooth enabled. Power and a water resistant design would be my next steps on working on this. There are a myriad of sensors out there to detect humidity and moisture, so going down that route will just be finding a sensor that measures humidity and moisture to acceptable standards of error, and voila. Then the programming starts. I'd say this is a decent vector to explore all in all.

There's nothing truly to say that your novelty will wear off. It's quite possible the novelty will be ever present and with you always. But for a lot of people, diapers are an excitement and then they're not. You get the idea. This seems to be the general way of things.

A project like this is fairly straight forward. You're talking about a wetness sensor connected to a timer with programming logic that if the sensor doesn't trigger a signal within a certain amount of time, an alarm would go off. The scope of the project could be as simple as an audible alarm connected to a timer circuit with logic that supports what you do, so sending a text, sending an email, to triggering connected apps to sound the obnoxious alarm, to updating a twitter (X) feed. I could not give you a quote on the scope of a project like this because the scope of the project is very broad and not quite definable in term of billable hours. At a conservative rate, I charge about $85/hr‡ for my clients, to give you an idea on an hourly rate. A good developer will also charge by the hour and not as a contractual sum, because software development is actually quite difficult to plan for in terms of future costs. If I were to think of this project in terms of: A native app on the phone Paired devices Push notifications of status and updates Goal is to determine when the sub hasn't peed their diaper And if diaper humidity hasn't increased since a previous measurement given in time, sound an alarm Said alarm is a push notification to the Dom on their paired device If those are the basic requirements of the application, you now have to resolve support for a certain type of phone, or for all. You can support either iPhone or Android with equal effort in time and success. I am pro-open source, so my vote is always Android. I personally do not support Apple in any way. Say you choose Android. Connected devices need to communicate through a common channel. This could be HTTPS, direct sockets, Bluetooth, etc. Once devices can communicate, it's as simple as sending a message to paired devices and the role of the device determines how they process that message. For a Dom's device, this can be sounding an alarm to ensure their submissive is conforming to the rules. This is where some minimum technical requirements end. Beyond this, it's about what features you want and what you're willing to pay for. If it can be done between paired devices, the limit at that point is how much you are willing to pay. I would probably initially quote this project for about 40-80 hours worth of work, with the given minimum requirements, with the understanding that additional requirements will cost additional hours to be billed. That comes with the basic application, basic test suites, and basic documentation for the user and the public API. I hope that is able to give you a basic idea of what I would personally do. Your mileage will vary with other software developers. ‡ Edit: I should state at this point that my fee of $85/hr was as of 15 years ago. Considering inflation and the devaluation of our dollar, you could expect my current 2024 rate to be closer to $100/hr.

Work, yes, but a fear of which in public and private I've not really gotten totally over. Still working on it. For someone going 24/7 but is not untrained, this can seem like a lot of work. For people who are untrained, and actually depend on diapers, is it work to change the few times per day when you need to vs constant anxiety of having an accident?

In my 16+ years of catheter/stent play, I have never had an experience where I was 100% comfortable with a catheter or stent. My experience is with pure cranberry pills, you'd have to be taking way more than what is recommended on the bottle to simulate any cranberry juice-like effects. I've actually found that drinking 100% pure cranberry juice (about a 16 oz glass, daily) is more than enough to blow cranberry pills out the water. And it does a good job at helping urinary health, at least from my perspective.

I have not been on a cruise ship, but this is how I would respond to your questions if I were going on a cruise. I think it would be better to pack the best premium diapers you can afford. If you mess on a regular basis, then you know you'll want to pack a lot fewer thinner diapers to accommodate for your messing schedule. For me, I know I will mess after my morning coffee any any breakfast I consume. I usually mess an average of twice per day, usually in the morning. So for me, I prepare for my morning mess with a thinner diaper, then continue with my day with daily liquid intake and the like. I imagine a cruise in the Caribbean will be hot and humid, so if you choose to remain outdoors, just remember to continue to hydrate and all will continue as normal. With my experience with international travel and cruise ships (smaller ones in Europe), you're a lot more likely to be searched at TSA than at a cruise ship. As for the smaller cruises I've been on in the Mediterranean, we were never searched in preparation for boarding the ship. I'm sorry I cannot give you perspective with regards to a proper cruise, but I imagine their standards are less than International and Domestic air travel. Wear your normal top. If you want a tan, wear a smaller shirt or tank top. If you don't want a tan, wear a long sleeve shirt or jacket for when the weather changes. In my opinion it depends on how prone you are to sunburn. And never mind about the state of your diaper. Since you don't mind a bit of peekage, then there's really nothing to worry about, is there? And even if someone did get the nerve to talk to you about it, the chances are pretty good that they experience incontinence themselves or are also ABDL. Win-Win in my book. Other tips? From my experience, just go about your cruise as normally as you would the rest of your day at home. On a cruise you likely have personal bunks and restrooms, as well as public restrooms. At worst, you'll be seen with your diaper bag walking in and out of a restroom. At best, you'll be invisible. At the end of the day, there's a 99.9% chance no one will mention it to you or care.

I second this. I think there is a fair amount of merit in what you've said here. I won't point out any specifics, but I agree about the possibilities.

I was wondering, have any of you been sucked into the zity.biz universe and found the information informative, the community supportive, and topics weren't too taboo to talk about? If so, what are your thoughts on that community now?

This is almost exactly what happened to me. We're still connected through the procurement of a (now teen) child, though. Tough break, man. I feel you hard on this. This reminds me of a time in college when I visited a clearly autistic guy's dorm room and I witnessed skid mark tidy whities on the floor. At the same time, I felt both bad for him as I experienced that a lot as a kid; and I couldn't help but wonder what we're all thinking at this point. In the third grade I remember the class picking on a fellow student who regularly wet his pants. Knowing what I know today, he probably suffered a great amount of anxiety because he was also one of the most bullied kids in the class. I'm ashamed to admit that I have contributed a small part to his bullying, but I never directly did anything to him personally. It was more social and propagating the gossip that our fellow student wet his pants. I'm not proud of this moment in my life, but it be what it be.

Correct. @Veg: I am a professional software developer by trade. What you are asking is totally possible. The only question is how much money and time you have. If you have enough money and enough time, a piece of software that does exactly what you desire is possible. If you want a freer alternative, you could program the device yourself and/or organize the engineering and appeal to the open source community to help contribute to the project. From an affordable programming perspective, your best bet is to program the device to work with an HTML5 app on your phone. HTML5 is probably the worlds most interoperable standard on the Internet and is easily controllable and updatable on the backend without having to push new versions of apps on the proprietary stores, and thus, your front end. Forget all that. Only certain applications on your phone need the efficiency of a native programming format and this app idea is not one of them.

Hi all! Here's an update for you in a slightly different format. Rather than reframing everything I've already discussed with those closest to me, I figured I'd copy/paste some chats I've had to describe my first person perspective on where I'm at now. I have a friend here on DD that I'm talking with. They are welcome to identify themselves if they wish. The following is the text I've communicated with them. I have changed a few pieces of the text to reflect a more accurate version of events as I see it post-reflection: (July 17, 2024) They asked: I respond: I am finally coming to the point where I'm willing to admit that as of Monday, July 15, 2024, I am in some form or another, diaper dependent. Life is now easier if I wear diapers due to being faced with the reality of the alternative to not wearing diapers. It's a strange experience to witness after feeling like I've not made much progress over the the last few years. But I stuck with the process. I'm not sure I had the faith that it would work but since I psychologically needed to be in diapers anyway, I had no true motivation to stop. So I had no choice but to move forward. I can say now that I've made significant progress. An actual, functional, dependence on diapers. Almost at 4 years in. It's almost surreal to be able to speak about. But let's keep this in context. I'm saying that I'm, functionally speaking, at about 30-50% of my "ideal incontinence level". However, for me, this is one of those milestones that really drive home the fact that my untraining has actually had a noticeable and likely verifiable effect on my ability to manage "normal" bathroom needs that I was able to in the past. I am comfortable now in noting at this point that untraining towards incontinence has its verifiable, and consequential, effects. Today, I am quite confident that I am at the point where I'd be afraid to go out into public for any length of time without a diaper on. Maybe one hour, max. And that's pushing it. Regarding previous discussions on this thread: I should state at this point that I haven't worn any sort plug or done any anal training since January of this year. I conclude that it's possible that not anal training on a regular basis may have it's contributions into my degrading continence, but I admit other factors could also be at play. I'm about done with experimenting with catheters and stents. If I'm being honest, I've had nothing but one or more problems or another to one or more problems ad infinitum. It seems clear to me that my body doesn't tolerate foreign bodies in my urethra for any extended length of time, rendering catheters and stents simply ineffective for me in the long run. On top of that, I've been to the ER twice within 10 years to retrieve a lost stent in my bladder. I wish I had a different conclusion, but I can't recommend stents to be a general solution to an incontinence desires situation. It works for some, probably most, but not all. I've not been able to achieve it. I must go about it another way. So far, untraining has been the solution that has a non-zero result in progress. And for me, that's not nothing. I'll see you all in the next update! Cheers

You and I grew up around the same time. I suspect you're a couple of years older than I am. That said, it's bothering me, in an endearing way, how precisely I could repeated these exact words, with a couple of differences: I was a bedwetter until about the age of 12 I did not wear protection to bed I did have a rubber sheet on my bed My bedwetting was irregular enough such that it was no issue just washing the sheets while the bed was protected with a rubber sheet I was also secretly crossdressing at a young age, so alternatively this could have easily tied in with my love for diapers The result of which became my "official" awareness of having a diaper fetish and being part of the ABDL community between the ages of 14-16. Gender identity/dysphoria started around my time as a young college Freshman. Incontinence desires really starting cementing itself (as in, logical, rational sense of it) shortly after my kid was born, about 16 years ago. I guess the rest is my interaction with you all here on DD.

This is an interesting design. I like the idea of using a strong wire to keep the catheter rigid to prevent migration. It also doubles to block the retention balloon from deflating. I'm guessing you use lube as the filler in the balloon because it's viscous and is less likely to leak around the wire. I'm going to try this idea and instead of using a braided fishing line for the retrieval line, I'm going to try using Scoubidou string (thin plastic tubes used in crafting).

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Can you describe for us how you came to be functionally incontinent? Have you been untraining or is it due to a medical condition? I suspect that if you're currently untraining, then you just have to keep doing what you're doing. You'll probably never get to drip-and-dribble gross urinary incontinence for as long you have a working central nervous system. So if you want total gross urinary incontinence, your best bet may be through surgery because at the end of the day, untraining can only take you so far.

I wonder to this day where @Bettypooh has been. I try not to think too much about it. She hasn't posted for quite some time.

I agree with this also. I agree with @DAQ here and have updated my original reply to reflect as much. I also strongly agree with this statement. Emphasis in other areas of untraining seem to be better than focusing on bladder size. I think the truth is that it doesn't matter what your bladder size is until it's the size of a walnut. If your bladder is that small, the last place you're seeking advice from is this forum, and until then, it's a lot more about the mental process. Eventually, maybe, one day, your bladder will be the size of a walnut. But it won't be for quite some time. To clarify, I'm talking years; perhaps decades. Not months or weeks.

Good luck! Please let us know how it goes

You can find the "12 Month Program" here: https://www.docdroid.net/mrvwb7g/12month-pdf as of 2024-07-01.

I edited my post to reflect your experience If you find some PUL pants that work for you, please let me know. My Garywear pants are getting old and am in the market to get some better ones. I agree, Garywear tends to run too small for the advertised size.

Hi, and welcome to the forum! I take it from your post you've only been wearing diapers for a few years now. Since you're attempting at going 24/7 I'm going to assume you're brand new at this. Wearing 24/7 is a lot of fun if you're in the right mindset. This journey of incontinence is a long road for many, and a short road for few. You really won't know which one until after a year. I've been wearing diapers 18/7 for many years, but most recently 24/7 and untraining since November of 2020. You can read a bit about my journey here. First, I'd like to offer some suggestions. The main one being sleep. Interrupting your sleep on a regular basis is not ideal. For now, try focusing on getting into the loose and relaxed mental state on a daily basis. Alarms during the day can be useful. You can make a lot of progress during the day-to-day without having to worry about the nighttime just yet. And when you sleep, if you are woken up by the need to pee, simply find a way to let go, pay it no mind, and go back to sleep. Even if you leak (you will). The 24/7 routine is fun, yes, but it's also mundane and routine. It's a daily cycle of always needing to know how close you are to leaking and then mentally preparing when you'll need to change. So I recommend carrying a supply of changes, powder, and wipes (at a minimum) via a discrete diaper bag. I use a black backpack. Keep spare diapers in your car and other places you are likely to be. You don't want to be caught in a position where you have to change, but you simply can't. If you make that mistake, it's usually a mistake you make once . Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate! Don't cut back on water unless directed by a doctor. You want to be continuously flushing your system and getting that mindset of being incontinent to stick. Gotta pee? Just go. Can't pee? Drink more water. Don't have a diaper on? Pee anyway. Remember, you're incontinent now. Leaks and messes are a way of life. They can't be 100% avoided, just 99% mitigated, which brings me to my next point. People who wear 24/7 and who are not wearing a waterproof cover (i.e., plastic pants) confuse me. My plastic pants have saved me from SOOOOO many public accidents. They are worth buying the right material (PUL, not vinyl, PVC, or rubber) and the right size. I wear Garywear PUL pants and even their 2X pants size are tight on my thighs, but barely not too tight. I own about 5 or 6 pair of these and cycle through them as I change throughout the day. So in that vein, I also highly recommend a waterproof cover on a constant day-to-day basis. Experience tells the community here that diapers that are a bit more expensive, but are way better in quality, fare better on our pocketbooks in the long run. You can expect to pay a little over $2,000 per year wearing diapers 24/7. I usually pay between $100-$200 per month on diapers, depending on the sales. Since ConfiDry 24/7 has been discontinued, I've been on the hunt for an affordable daily diaper that doesn't break my bank. I've tried BetterDry with decent success. So far I'm leaning on the InControl line of products. I've been experimenting with InControl Essentials, InControl Active Air, and InControl BeDry diapers with a decent amount of success as well. My recent order was for a couple cases of Bambino Bellissimo (V2) and Magnifico diapers and, frankly, I'm LOVING them. Another tip: expect that your favorite daily diaper will eventually be discontinued. So from this vantage point, it's a good idea to keep experimenting with what comes out and to try different brands. Also, cycling through a couple different brands on a regular basis will help skin health in that you're not maintaining any of the same pressure points on the skin at all times. Sometimes this can't be helped, but it's good to vary things up a little bit. Edit: I agree with @DAQ in that having a variety of cloth diapers is extremely handy for a backup. If, for whatever reason (economy, ability, etc.) you cannot get a hold of disposable diapers, a stash of cloth alternatives are available to you. It's true that your laundry load will increase, but you can effectively buy, say, 7-10 pre-fold cloth diapers that will last you months -- potentially years -- if taken care of properly. The smell of cloth diapers over time can be a concern but there are way to mitigate that via cleaning agents such as baking soda, vinegar, and bleach. It's best to do your research on how to care for cloth diapers if you choose to pursue them. As an added bonus, they are pretty decent and helping to preventing leaks during nocturnal enuresis. This may go without saying, but I highly recommend, at a minimum, frequent use of baby powder, scented or unscented. A barrier cream also helps if you plan on messing your diaper on the regular. Everything I just listed before this line is for those who want to go 24/7, but not commit to untraining. The following is specifically for untraining. Untraining yourself to become "incontinent" (for whatever that means for you) is 90% mental and 10% physical. Your main barriers right now aren't your bladder size, capacity, or voiding routine. The barriers are all mental. If you train your mind correctly, the physical naturally follows, so it's time to stop thinking about that part of it, because it's not realistic. You are now incontinent. You have to see yourself as incontinent ("even though you may not be incontinent"). If you doubt this in your mind, your training will be very long and slow. Incontinent people wear diapers. Lots of people come on these forums start and stop their 24/7 and untraining journey. No more excuses. The toilet is no longer a matter of convenience for you. Your diapers are your convenience -- that's the whole point. Excuses such as: "I need to change out of this diaper real bad, but I'm too tired to change into a new one now. I'll just go to sleep and resume in the morning." "I have a meeting in 10 minutes, but I need to change, so I'll just go take this diaper off now and put one back on after the meeting." "I just don't feel like wearing a diaper right now." "I'm not 'feeling' it, y'know?" etc. These excuses must end. Now is the time commit. Changing 2-5 times a day is time consuming and you won't always feel like doing it. Incontinent people don't have a choice, and neither do you. Diapers are now normal for you. You must go out into public, go to family dinners, go on vacations with your friends, etc. wearing diapers. This anxiety about what people think of you will wane over time as you get used to the mundane life that is wearing diapers 24/7. You'll know you're making progress when you forget that you were even wearing one. Someone will find out, eventually, that you wear diapers for incontinence. This is just a fact of life. You will get to a point where you'll let your guard down (because, hey, who needs to be constantly worry about diapers all the time anyway?) and someone will figure it out. Maybe you just changed and smell like baby powder. Maybe someone heard the crinkle of your diaper as you walked by. Maybe you're nose-blind to your very wet diaper and you're the only one not noticing. These are the realities of our lifestyle and you can't avoid them. The best way to untrain yourself is to always pee wherever you are and to do it while you're doing whatever your doing. Don't stop what you're doing and don't wait. If you're wearing a diaper, then you're protected. If you're not wearing a diaper, you will wet your pants. If you leak because you didn't take the opportunity to change -- that's something you'll figure out as you go on. Didn't feel like putting your nighttime diaper on before going to bed? You wet the bed. If you don't want a wed bed, you'll wear a diaper. If you leak at night, you'll protect your mattress. That kind of thing. And it's that fear of leaking that you find that you ultimately have to overcome. You. Will. Leak. Full stop. Just like the binge/purge cycle we all seem to face, expect your enthusiasm for the 24/7 lifestyle and untraining journey to take a similar form. There will be weeks where you feel like you've plateaued, but you have to remember to keep going. Removing expectations of a quick journey or quick incontinence will benefit you greatly. Most of us have been on this journey for years and still with limited, and varying, results: @oznl has a great thread about his journey. He's been on this road, I think, over 5 years now and he's a bona fide sleep wetter with low cruise range, but some decent level of daytime control. @Little Sherri has a great thread about their journey as well. They've been on this road a little less time than @oznl and describes a lot of the emotions and day-to-day 24/7 life that you will be experiencing. I think they're at the point of intermittent sleep wetting with reduced cruise range but some decent level of daytime control. @Beccathelittle just posted an update on her journey. She's farther along on this path than a lot of us with mostly reduced urine and bowel control. She documents well how she's managed her journey, from the fears in the beginning to the routine of it all at the end. @Kif was an active poster in recent years with respect to untraining, but I am not sure where they're at now. Last I read surgeries mucked some things up and they're recovering from that. @~Brian~'s story can be found throughout his posts -- he deals with cerebral palsy and his perspective sheds a lot of light on this journey from the perspective of someone who has had a lifelong disability. @Kaliborio is famous for her tumblr blog that has been since taken offline -- she's a great resource on untraining in general and a wealth of knowledge on dealing with bowel incontinence. @Enthusi is a guy you can go to for a lot of psychology-of-self with respect to untraining. He's in the process of creating a guide that uses the framework he's been able to use to progress on untraining. He has a lot of information on the mental game of untraining. @Ferix is one who has tried going through the US medical system to get approval for incontinence surgery. His threads are of great interest to see the experience of someone who has hit the US medical system pretty hard. Edit: @Reddy and @BrownBobby, after trying multiple ways to untrain and obtain incontinence, took a more direct approach in Mexico with varying degrees of success. @DAQ has been making a lot of progress in recent months with respect to traditional therapy and hypnotherapy. There are others here that have great threads on their journeys, and my apologies to those I've forgotten. The point with the above list is to show that the famous "12 Month Program" is just a set of guidelines to untrain. The timeline is all up to you and expect this journey to take years, not months. I feel like this post is getting pretty long now, so I hope that's a decent starting point for tips and tricks. Your mileage will vary with respect to the rest of us, but one thing is for sure, we'd love for you to continue documenting your journey. The more information we have, the better. "Do, or do not, there is no try." -Yoda Good luck!

This is a good progress update from you, @DAQ, and I really think you nailed the bottom line. It may ultimately come down to individual hacks like you have through therapy and hypnotherapy. We just have to find what works for each of us.