Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[Diaper Mike 05]

Without context, Obama sounds like one bad dude, doesn't he?

And what context do you want?

Him sitting in Reverend Wright's church as he spouts off G.D. America? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js No context can make this good. Even if Obama wasn't in the pew for this specific rant, I'd be willing to bet a paycheck this isn't just a one-time thing Wright said things to this effect. Actually, there are quite a few videos on the same theme of Wright hating America. Your religious leader helps to shape your view of the country and world.

Really Michelle? Would you be disappointed if Hillary had been nominated?

Connections? http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/vernon/080526 I'd say there is a long list of people Obama is connected to (more than just acquaintances) that shaped his economic and social beliefs. Socialists, domestic terrorists, and shady real estate deals. http://www.colorfultimes.com/2010/06/society/politics/barack-obamas-connections-to-socialism-communism-and-racial-divisiveness/ Here is more.

"Spread the wealth around" -

If it wasn't 1 am I would keep going...

[Horndog]

OK, you asked for it.

Him sitting in Reverend Wright's church as he spouts off G.D. America? No context can make this good. Even if Obama wasn't in the pew for this specific rant, I'd be willing to bet a paycheck this isn't just a one-time thing Wright said things to this effect. Actually, there are quite a few videos on the same theme of Wright hating America. Your religious leader helps to shape your view of the country and world.

Here's the thing about Reverend Wright. Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle. He also baptized their two daughters, and Obama says the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope" is inspired by Rev. Wright. Those are just more facts that could make your head explode.

On March 13, 2008, here's what Obama's press spokesman had to say to ABCNews.com:

"Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

Obviously, Rev. Wright's sermons were provocative, but nowhere does Obama say that he agrees with those sermons. Just because Obama sat in the pews or had Rev. Wright as his family pastor doesn't mean he inherently agrees or tacitly agrees with the reverend's politics. You make an illogical leap here by trying to tie Rev. Wright's politics with the Presidents. If we were to determine that, say, a politician's views are determined by what controversial pastors say, then you may want to reassess the current GOP presidential candidates and pundits.

"The Ron Paul campaign appears to have removed a press release touting the endorsement of Rev. Phillip G. Kayser, a Nebraska pastor who has called for instituting the death penalty against homosexuals." - Talking Points Memo, Dec. 28, 2011

"Jeffress, senior pastor of the 10,000 member First Baptist Church of Dallas, said publicly and boldly some evangelicals have been saying privately. Polling shows that more than 20 percent of Republicans say they would not vote for a Mormon for president and Jeffress told them they were right: “I think Romney is a good moral person but those of us who are born-again followers of Christ should prefer a competent Christian….Between a Rick Perry and a Mitt Romney I believe evangelicals need to go with Rick Perry.

[Diaper Mike 05]

No. Don't keep going. Thanks.

Oh don't worry, I will when I can figure out why response kept erroring out last night.

[sarah_ab]

seriously? do you guys honestly think posting wikipedia links and you tube videos is going to change anyone's mind regarding politics? its a waste of time... honestly no matter what anyone says, or posts, it will not change the other persons mind.

[DaddiesBoi]

Of Course! R U nuts or just misinformed?

[Diapered Jason]

seriously? do you guys honestly think posting wikipedia links and you tube videos is going to change anyone's mind regarding politics? its a waste of time... honestly no matter what anyone says, or posts, it will not change the other persons mind.

It really does not matter anyway even if you do change someones mind as the whole argument is futter. Whether you elect Newt Gingrich and his infidelity and racism, Mitt Romney and his ideas of vulture capitalism, or Barrack Obama and his Reverend Wright, take your pick, because it won't matter if these are the things you use to decide who to vote for. Have no fear, some political action commitee will bring these things to your attention in a political attack ad near you.

[redneck diaper boy]

So thoes that still support wealth redistribution, how can you feel OK about taking part of my life, by using government confiscation of my earnings, for your use? Redistribution is what caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket! If everyone had to pay for their own healthcare, it would not be as expensive as it is.

The major items, In US history, that ruined Americain the last centry are:

1. The Federal Reserve Act. 1913

2. Income Tax 1913

3. Social Security

4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

5. LBJ's "war on poverty"

6. Medicaid

7. Medicare

8. The EPA

9. OSHA

I could only dream of what America could have been without the previously listed obstacles of personal freedom

[Diapered Jason]

So thoes that still support wealth redistribution, how can you feel OK about taking part of my life, by using government confiscation of my earnings, for your use? Redistribution is what caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket! If everyone had to pay for their own healthcare, it would not be as expensive as it is.

The major items, In US history, that ruined Americain the last centry are:

1. The Federal Reserve Act. 1913

2. Income Tax 1913

3. Social Security

4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

5. LBJ's "war on poverty"

6. Medicaid

7. Medicare

8. The EPA

9. OSHA

I could only dream of what America could have been without the previously listed obstacles of personal freedom

What exactly do these institutions do that infringe on your personal freedoms, and why would you rather just eliminate them rather than saying lets fix it? I agree that some of the regulations do not make sense and should be streamlined or removed, but to eliminate the organizations completely is not only impossible politically, but would be detrimental to the safety and security of the common worker.

[Leilin]

... because things were dandy in 1910, before all of those. Nobody died in the streets, there wasn't mass death in the poor classes due to disease or flat-out starvation. There was no racism or sexism on paper in state laws. Children weren't working literally to death in factories. Black people could sit on the front of busses without being arrested, and companies NEVER abused the environment because the invisible hand would have prevented them from committing those abuses, right?

Again, my usual response to your ignorant, fact-allergic derp: *Facepalm*

[Diaper Mike 05]

So thoes that still support wealth redistribution, how can you feel OK about taking part of my life, by using government confiscation of my earnings, for your use? Redistribution is what caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket! If everyone had to pay for their own healthcare, it would not be as expensive as it is.

The major items, In US history, that ruined Americain the last centry are:

1. The Federal Reserve Act. 1913

2. Income Tax 1913

3. Social Security

4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

5. LBJ's "war on poverty"

6. Medicaid

7. Medicare

8. The EPA

9. OSHA

I could only dream of what America could have been without the previously listed obstacles of personal freedom

How does the Civil Rights Act get in the way of freedom? All the others I can see being obstructive now, but they have become bloated and need to be fixed, not thrown out.

[Horndog]

So thoes that still support wealth redistribution, how can you feel OK about taking part of my life, by using government confiscation of my earnings, for your use? Redistribution is what caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket! If everyone had to pay for their own healthcare, it would not be as expensive as it is.

The major items, In US history, that ruined Americain the last centry are:

1. The Federal Reserve Act. 1913

2. Income Tax 1913

3. Social Security

4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

5. LBJ's "war on poverty"

6. Medicaid

7. Medicare

8. The EPA

9. OSHA

I could only dream of what America could have been without the previously listed obstacles of personal freedom

"Government confiscation of earnings."

OK. Time to not educate those who don't have an open mind, so I'll be brief:

"Wealth redistribution" did not "cause the price of healthcare to skyrocket." It's obesity:

"And, Health at a Glance 2011 shows that obesity rates have doubled or even tripled in many countries since 1980. In more than half of OECD countries, 50 percent or more of the population is now overweight, if not obese. The obesity rate in the adult population is highest in the United States -- rising from 15 percent in 1980 to 34 percent in 2008 -- and lowest in Japan and South Korea, at 4 percent."

In more plain terms, eating bad shit and not exercising enough raises health care costs.

You can put up a list of historical legislation from the last "centry," tell us it "ruined" America, but it doesn't mean jack without insight.

[redneck diaper boy]

OK I have a bit of explaining to do!

America's fall began with the introduction of people who called themselves "Progressives". Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt sparked the beginning of socislism in America. These men loathed to US Constitution and looked forward to a one world government.

Teddy went nuts with his conservation nonsense, Woodrow Wilson formed the frame for our money to be controled by private banks. Todays Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned corporation. Ironically that same year (1913) the 16th amendment was ratified thus allowing income tax.The next really bad guy was Lyndyn Johnson and his promotion of the welfare state.

The Power to tax is the power to enslave.

Now look at Social Security. It is the definition of a ponzi scheme. Bernie Madoff went to jail for paying investors with other invsetor's money!

The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong. Forcing anyone to do business with anyone that they do not want to do business with wrong. Promoting discrimination against white males was and is still wrong.

LBJ's war on poverty is a total failure. When aqnyone is on the receiving end of welfare is asked to work, why should they? The objective was to get an many people depending on government as possible. A nation og pussies and parasites has been created. We are almost to the point where the parasites consume the host.

My parents use to pay for me to see a doctor as a child. I remember my father griping that it cost 6 dollars for a doctor visit. In those days, insurance paid for serious medical issues only. Thanks to inflation, governent regulation and political nonsense, that same visit is now $175 without insurance. When Medicare and medicaid came around, the governmnet was handing out blank checks to the providers. If the government would have left healthcare alone, market prices would be much lower if everyone had their own medical expenses.

The EPA is s joke. The EPA has nothing to do clean air or clean water. The EPA is tool to control the activities of the population.

If you have ever dealt with OSHA, they are nuts. We now have to plan for the actions of stupid people. I got inspected and was told that my hard hat had expired. They insisted that I get it replaced so the governemt contractor issued me a new hard hat

[sarah_ab]

*giggles* discrimination against white males.... it is true, single white males get screwed around tax season...... *sighs* i'm so glad I grew up in new england. Us tree hugging hippies are so much happier caring about our neighbor and wanting to help each other out....

[Horndog]

According to U.S. history, none of the presidents you mentioned ever expressly stated that they "loathed the US Constitution and looked forward to one world government." That's news to me!

Each President you mentioned talked about fairness, economic fairness. Each president you mentioned drew a distinction -- in their policies -- between democracy and socialism while recognizing the merits of socialism. They incorporated some of the socialist doctrine that worked, and discarded what didn't (i.e. mostly everything Karl Marx ever stood for). As far as the "one world government" claim goes, you have to understand one thing, and that's the fact that our government has not -- and will not -- regulate every part of our humanity. We have a US Constitution that strictly forbids the existence of a "one world government."

"The Power to tax is the power to enslave."

Enslave who? You? You, the taxpayer who reaps the benefits of taxation?

"Now look at Social Security. It is the definition of a ponzi scheme. Bernie Madoff went to jail for paying investors with other invsetor's money!"

Equating Social Security and "ponzi scheme" is intellectually wrong.

From a January 2009 post by Social Security Administration historian Larry DeWitt:

In contrast to a Ponzi scheme, dependent upon an unsustainable progression, a common financial arrangement is the so-called "pay-as-you-go" system. Some private pension systems, as well as Social Security, have used this design. A pay-as-you-go system can be visualized as a pipeline, with money from current contributors coming in the front end and money to current beneficiaries paid out the back end.

If the demographics of the population were stable, then a pay-as-you-go system would not have demographically-driven financing ups and downs and no thoughtful person would be tempted to compare it to a Ponzi arrangement. However, since population demographics tend to rise and fall, the balance in pay-as-you-go systems tends to rise and fall as well. During periods when more new participants are entering the system than are receiving benefits there tends to be a surplus in funding (as in the early years of Social Security). During periods when beneficiaries are growing faster than new entrants (as will happen when the baby boomers retire), there tends to be a deficit. This vulnerability to demographic ups and downs is one of the problems with pay-as-you-go financing. But this problem has nothing to do with Ponzi schemes, or any other fraudulent form of financing, it is simply the nature of pay-as-you-go systems.

Social Security is and always has been either a "pay-as-you-go" system or one that was partially advance-funded. Its structure, logic, and mode of operation have nothing in common with Ponzi schemes or chain letters or pyramid schemes. - Social Security Administration, January 2009

Yawn.

"The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong. Forcing anyone to do business with anyone that they do not want to do business with wrong. Promoting discrimination against white males was and is still wrong."

You don't say! Fascinating. So what you're saying is that correcting social injustice should be left up to the free markets? I don't see anything in the Civil Rights Act legislation that specifically discriminates against "white males." I see it discriminating against discrimination, and the supposed principles behind it.

"LBJ's war on poverty is a total failure. When aqnyone is on the receiving end of welfare is asked to work, why should they? The objective was to get an many people depending on government as possible. A nation og pussies and parasites has been created. We are almost to the point where the parasites consume the host."

You don't say! Since 1964 when the "war on poverty" was first introduced, poverty rates in the U.S. dropped to their lowest level since comprehensive census records were first recorded in 1958: from 17.3% in the year the Economic Opportunity Act was implemented to 11.1% in 1973. While welfare remains a problem in our country -- and "problem" meaning that it gets abused -- recent decade trends show a strong push for welfare reform with the most notable example being Bill Clinton's "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)." With that legislation, welfare has a time limit, and it sets a force in motion to get people off a welfare and into a steady job with job training. Do people still abuse the system? Absolutely, but that doesn't necessarily fall on Obama. Some people exploit the loopholes, and in the process endanger potential social program successes. It's up to Congress to pass these reforms -- but where is the legislation? Last I checked, the GOP controls the house, and the democrat-majority senate is not filibuster-proof. How does Obama take the fall on this?

Government hands out blank checks to providers for Medicare and Medicaid? That's news to me. Quite a strawman.

"The EPA is s joke. The EPA has nothing to do clean air or clean water. The EPA is tool to control the activities of the population."

... Yeeeeaaaaah, okay. The EPA may be bloated and sometimes cumbersome for private industry, but the core function of the EPA is to protect you and the environment at the same time, not to "control the activities of the population." I can't think of an agency that actually does that. A little exaggeration there.

"If you have ever dealt with OSHA, they are nuts. We now have to plan for the actions of stupid people. I got inspected and was told that my hard hat had expired. They insisted that I get it replaced so the governemt contractor issued me a new hard hat"

The OSHA is a safety net for workers, and it exists because the free market doesn't guarantee safety. Again, the benefit is to protect you. You are paying taxes into a system that you benefit from. OSHA is not as gratuitous as you make it sound. Hard hat replacement? Sounds like Obama is really ruining America. Yessirree Bob!

[redneck diaper boy]

According to U.S. history, none of the presidents you mentioned ever expressly stated that they "loathed the US Constitution and looked forward to one world government." That's news to me!

Each President you mentioned talked about fairness, economic fairness. Each president you mentioned drew a distinction -- in their policies -- between democracy and socialism while recognizing the merits of socialism. They incorporated some of the socialist doctrine that worked, and discarded what didn't (i.e. mostly everything Karl Marx ever stood for). As far as the "one world government" claim goes, you have to understand one thing, and that's the fact that our government has not -- and will not -- regulate every part of our humanity. We have a US Constitution that strictly forbids the existence of a "one world government."

"The Power to tax is the power to enslave."

Enslave who? You? You, the taxpayer who reaps the benefits of taxation?

"Now look at Social Security. It is the definition of a ponzi scheme. Bernie Madoff went to jail for paying investors with other invsetor's money!"

Equating Social Security and "ponzi scheme" is intellectually wrong.

From a January 2009 post by Social Security Administration historian Larry DeWitt:

In contrast to a Ponzi scheme, dependent upon an unsustainable progression, a common financial arrangement is the so-called "pay-as-you-go" system. Some private pension systems, as well as Social Security, have used this design. A pay-as-you-go system can be visualized as a pipeline, with money from current contributors coming in the front end and money to current beneficiaries paid out the back end.

If the demographics of the population were stable, then a pay-as-you-go system would not have demographically-driven financing ups and downs and no thoughtful person would be tempted to compare it to a Ponzi arrangement. However, since population demographics tend to rise and fall, the balance in pay-as-you-go systems tends to rise and fall as well. During periods when more new participants are entering the system than are receiving benefits there tends to be a surplus in funding (as in the early years of Social Security). During periods when beneficiaries are growing faster than new entrants (as will happen when the baby boomers retire), there tends to be a deficit. This vulnerability to demographic ups and downs is one of the problems with pay-as-you-go financing. But this problem has nothing to do with Ponzi schemes, or any other fraudulent form of financing, it is simply the nature of pay-as-you-go systems.

Social Security is and always has been either a "pay-as-you-go" system or one that was partially advance-funded. Its structure, logic, and mode of operation have nothing in common with Ponzi schemes or chain letters or pyramid schemes. - Social Security Administration, January 2009

Yawn.

"The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong. Forcing anyone to do business with anyone that they do not want to do business with wrong. Promoting discrimination against white males was and is still wrong."

You don't say! Fascinating. So what you're saying is that correcting social injustice should be left up to the free markets? I don't see anything in the Civil Rights Act legislation that specifically discriminates against "white males." I see it discriminating against discrimination, and the supposed principles behind it.

"LBJ's war on poverty is a total failure. When aqnyone is on the receiving end of welfare is asked to work, why should they? The objective was to get an many people depending on government as possible. A nation og pussies and parasites has been created. We are almost to the point where the parasites consume the host."

You don't say! Since 1964 when the "war on poverty" was first introduced, poverty rates in the U.S. dropped to their lowest level since comprehensive census records were first recorded in 1958: from 17.3% in the year the Economic Opportunity Act was implemented to 11.1% in 1973. While welfare remains a problem in our country -- and "problem" meaning that it gets abused -- recent decade trends show a strong push for welfare reform with the most notable example being Bill Clinton's "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)." With that legislation, welfare has a time limit, and it sets a force in motion to get people off a welfare and into a steady job with job training. Do people still abuse the system? Absolutely, but that doesn't necessarily fall on Obama. Some people exploit the loopholes, and in the process endanger potential social program successes. It's up to Congress to pass these reforms -- but where is the legislation? Last I checked, the GOP controls the house, and the democrat-majority senate is not filibuster-proof. How does Obama take the fall on this?

Government hands out blank checks to providers for Medicare and Medicaid? That's news to me. Quite a strawman.

"The EPA is s joke. The EPA has nothing to do clean air or clean water. The EPA is tool to control the activities of the population."

... Yeeeeaaaaah, okay. The EPA may be bloated and sometimes cumbersome for private industry, but the core function of the EPA is to protect you and the environment at the same time, not to "control the activities of the population." I can't think of an agency that actually does that. A little exaggeration there.

"If you have ever dealt with OSHA, they are nuts. We now have to plan for the actions of stupid people. I got inspected and was told that my hard hat had expired. They insisted that I get it replaced so the governemt contractor issued me a new hard hat"

The OSHA is a safety net for workers, and it exists because the free market doesn't guarantee safety. Again, the benefit is to protect you. You are paying taxes into a system that you benefit from. OSHA is not as gratuitous as you make it sound. Hard hat replacement? Sounds like Obama is really ruining America. Yessirree Bob!

"Fairness" is a codeword for socialism. The sad thing is that most Americans don't want to be free. They want to get stuff for free and the elected government is taking assets from the producers (at gunpoint) and rendering to parasites. A solution to the problem is to not allow anyone, on public welfare, to vote. When the parasites outnumber the producers, there is a problem. Socialism only works until the government runs out of other people's money!

The power to tax is the power to enslave. The government already gets over 50 percen of my income: Federal Income Tax. Social Security Tax. Medicare Tax. Gasoline Tax. Real Estate Tax. Garbage Tax. Telephone Tax. Cable TV Tax. Automobile License Tax. Propane Gas Tax. Enough is enough! I am sick and damn tired of being told that I don't pay my fair share!

As for the Civil Rights Act I still say it was wrong. It was too much too fast. The social injustices would have fixed themselves. Affirmative Action has hurt the minority community because people wonder did that person get their position on merit or was it a racial quota? For the record I do not condone discrimination or mistreatment of anyone. I also say special rights for no-one!

As for what the past Presidents said, they never stated that they loathed the Constitution. President Obama never stated that he hates America but he does!

If you look on-line there are thousands of listings of the problems that OSHA has created for business! I have some of the OSHA paperwork. Under OSHA one has assume that everyone is stupid and has an IQ of 50. Perhaps everyone in government is stupid and has an IQ under 50. If there is a safety issue, the local workers can warn the employer of the hazzard. If the employer does not deal with the hazzard, they could face civil litigation. Attempting to protect every employee from any hazzard is not reasonable

There are more people living in poverty now than in 1960. One must keep in mind that the definition of poverty has changed over the last 50 years. Todays Americans, that live in poverty, have hot and cold running water, running water, toilets, refrigerators, washers and dryers, big screen TVs, game consoles, cellular phones, air conditioning and microwave ovens! I paid for their stuff with my tax dollars!

Have you been in the the grocery shop and in the process see a 600 pound human female paying for groceries with a government debit card? I see it all over the United States.

For the record I don't like paying for scooters for able people and I don't like paying for penis enlargers!

As for the EPA, I am not against protecting the environment but the EPA gose overboard! The EPA is a means of controling people. Now they are touting this "climate change" bullshit. It is a good thing that those so called " climate scientist" got caught fabricating data. To mant people were buying in to Algores "carbon credit" idea. Check the Chicago trade board and see what "carbon credits" are trading for now!

[Horndog]

Tsk-tsk-tsk. You think "fairness" is code for "socialism"? Poor you.

I spent some time going over things point-by-point, but I don't see the point in continuing.

May I suggest you look at both sides to every argument. That would be fair socialism.

[Leilin]

Does this mean that FOX News is Socialist and Balanced?

What a twist!

[Alexandra]

honestly I'm not for or against Obama but seriously if people are really listening to to crap like that first video then your right we're heading for a dystopia I mean that is such blatent hate and fear mongering from the most backwards political ideas I've heard in a long time, the fact that he would make petty insults about Obama's race is enough to tell me he doesn't know a single real thing about politics. now I'm not saying Obama is good or Ron Paul is bad but really people lets not be sheep and follow crap like this its propaganda and nothing else

[Leilin]

Thumbs up on that, Alexandra. I know we don't always agree but we see 100 percent eye to eye on this.

[Alexandra]

without a doubt Leilin. redneck diaper boy, I won't go over how your many critismism and complaints are wrong and without any bases seeing how both Leilin and Horndog have gone into it at great lenght. but I will pose you this question, how would you do it better; if you were president what would you do to make America great, how would you handle the congress and militarly and your own executive duties so that America becomes the America you think it should be?

[Horndog]

The sad reality is this: no matter what kind of ideas you may present to America as President, everything has to go through Congress. Our two-party system often butts heads with each other, and don't engage in much bipartisanship. So when you ask, "If you're President, how would you handle things differently?" that's a trick question because Congress is really the body that pulls the strings. You can't exactly impose your will solely using executive orders and recess appointments.

[Alexandra]

true enough, but I did ask how he would handle congress as well as the executive duties.

[Diapered Jason]

This is why third way politics for a president is important if he ever wants to get anything done. The best example of this would be Bill Clinton. Remember, due to the number of checks and balances, the president can still veto and is therefore a crucial part of the legislation process, but he still needs to be willing to compromise, just not up front. It is similar to buying a car. You quote a price that is below what you are willing to pay for the car and negotiate from there. Of course, you always have to be willing to walk away (i.e. veto). My greatest criticism of Barrack Obama has always been his inability to barter. This has led to some really crappy pieces of legislation that were signifcantly influenced by Republicans philosophies (not to say Republican philosophies are all bad, just saying they did not make any sense to through them into a Democratic bill). I think he is finally figuring out how bold he needs to be and is getting better at negotiating a piece of legislation despite losing quite a bit of support when he passed the health care reforms. Certainly, this is something that can only be learned with experience. I would through him a bone though, because the Republicans are clearly intending to make the president look bad by blocking his legislation even if they were solely Republican ideas and then promoting the idea that the president is unwilling to compromise, which is so obviously wrong.

[Diaper Mike 05]

The President has to be a leader of his party, Obama is not. 2009-2010 could have been a liberal paradise with passing their agenda through. Problem is they couldn't take advantage of it because they couldn't get out of their own way. They had the house, 60 Senate seats until the passing of Kennedy, and the White House. But, they decided to play the "blame Republicans" card. Obama needs to step up and rationally explain why something needs to be done, as well as do the other leaders in the Democratic Party. "Pass my jobs bill!", "You won't know what is in the bill until it is passed", and other such comments (and emotional pleas) from Democrat leaders are not acceptable and one reason the entire Democratic Party looks bad.

Both parties are a disaster, the thing is, in my position, the Republicans are less of a mess. At least my industry doesn't have to worry about what a Republican will do to them, we see positive growth.

And I still want the 22% pay I lost because Obama got elected.

[:dlb]

So thoes that still support wealth redistribution, how can you feel OK about taking part of my life, by using government confiscation of my earnings, for your use? Redistribution is what caused the price of healthcare to skyrocket! If everyone had to pay for their own healthcare, it would not be as expensive as it is.

The major items, In US history, that ruined Americain the last centry are:

1. The Federal Reserve Act. 1913

2. Income Tax 1913

3. Social Security

4. The Civil Rights Act of 1964

5. LBJ's "war on poverty"

6. Medicaid

7. Medicare

8. The EPA

9. OSHA

I could only dream of what America could have been without the previously listed obstacles of personal freedom

His name is redneck diaper boy, thus the old-fashioned ignorance. The real question is where would our country be WITHOUT the aforememtioned list. I for one am truly thankful and grateful for medicare, social security, mediaid, and even the rest.

And yes I still support Obama.