Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[Alexandra]

so true Sarah _ab but I think you used too many big words for these guys

[redneck diaper boy]

gods forbid a woman should want some insurance for a legitimate medicine she needs at the expense of our soganistic male masters I mean why can we women even vote right we deserve no rights even to our own bodies especially if it cuts into your pay check

When I was 18, I paid for brith control. Rubbers were less than a dollar! No glove, no love! If I knocked up some female, I would have accepted the responsibility for my actions! Everyone else ought to do the same and that includes that slut that Rush Limbaugh was talking about. If you are a female, you say "No glove, no love"! You can also abstain from sex!

[redneck diaper boy]

ummm yeah local health departments get their funding from where.. Oh yeah no shit federal government grants... buuuttt teh federal government wants to stop those grants... soooo yeah ...

and since more than 50% of women on 'birth control' are taking it for reasons other than contraceptive....the problem is, its commonly called "birth control" when it should be called whtat it is.. hormonal supplementation... because as said, there are a whole host of other reasons to take it other than to not get pregnant.

United Way pays Planned Parenthood. Abortion is why I refuse to support Planned Parenthood. Obama vetoed the defunding of Planned Parenthood, I have informed my Congressman that I object to my tax dollars being used for abortion

[Alexandra]

oh by Athena's great spear really 1st of all I thought you were a guy why would you be buying birth control second thats was 37 years ago right alot has changed especially the economy your comment might as well be a 80 year old saying that the picture show was only a nickle back in his day and third as Sarah just said the pill is for more than just birth controll

[Alexandra]

really what about rape vitcims huh should they not be allowed to choose to not give birth to they're asslailent's child how about you get knocked up unprepared with no hope or desire to raise a child and we'll see where your opinion on abortion stand seriously its not your body so shut up and stop complaining about paying taxes towards a necissary medical procedure

[KittenAB]

This mentality is contagious. We now have a female law student demanding that the taxpayers pay for her birth control. Someone in law school perjurers in front of Congress and states the birth control cost 3000 bucks for 3 years. Anyone can get birth control from a local health dept for a lot less than 1000 bucks a year.

Nice, you listen to Rush Limbaugh. You also realize he failed to read the entire story. The birth control is actually a preventative medication for ovarian cysts, they are keeping them from becoming life threatening. It is not to prevent pregnancy even. In reality (a place Rush avoids like the plague) there are many uses for what is called "birth control." The effectiveness of preventing pregnancy is only where it got it's generic name from, not it's actual purpose.

Nice that you, like Rush, would vote instead to have her die a horrible and agonizing death.

[KittenAB]

United Way pays Planned Parenthood. Abortion is why I refuse to support Planned Parenthood. Obama vetoed the defunding of Planned Parenthood, I have informed my Congressman that I object to my tax dollars being used for abortion

Gah, two Rush based "facts" in one day. Are you using your brain as a doorstop today? Planned Parenthood actually helps with many, many, many medical problems that are often denied by medical doctors for various reasons. One of the most important things they do is breast cancer screening. Do you like having no-breasted women everywhere, or worse, women to die off? Planned Parenthood also supports giving men Viagra and other such medications to help them have sex and breed, do you believe that we should stop breeding as a whole? Planned Parenthood also does not discriminate based on religion, which cannot be said of many doctors everywhere else.

Do some research, please. Abortion counseling is just a very small portion of what they do.

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

This Slut from Georgetown! Sorry if you wanna have Sex and have me pay for it. You're a Slut!

She knew what Georgetown Policies were, she's just a extreme leftist that wanted to force someone to her beliefs.

Now it's coming out, that she believes that we should also pay for sex changes!

The world's on fire, bad economy, gas prices, mid east. BHO and the Libs wanna talk about Condoms and Birth control.

[sarah_ab]

i started birth control at 13..... i was not having sex i didnt even have a boyfriend.... i was on these hormonal supplements to treat other medical conditions so i would not have to miss a week of school every month because i wuld get migraines that made me go blind and become so anemic i would be on the verge of a blood transfusion.... i was on federally funded insurance that paid for this medication .... i just want to thank redneck for paying his taxes so i could get the medicine i needed so i could attend 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 grades and then four years of college....

if it were not for red and kcmo and ithers for paying their taxes i ciuld not have done all that ..... yep your taxes bought my medicine ....

[Leilin]

@lielin. All you do is name call. I understand, if people present facts with you. YYou're only response is an attack or calling someone a name. As PATHETIC as they may be

If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

Take some of your own advice!

Debt ubder President Bush.. 5.7-10.6 trillion in 8 years

BHO Debt 10.6-15+trillion in 3 years

Bureau of Labor Satistics, department of Energy. From the BHO administration!

So... you still haven't bothered to read that post, eh? Here's a LINK in case your memory doesn't extend to one page ago. You have yet to address the facts of the situation and have instead (for the third time) provided a complete nonsequitur to those facts. Care to try again?

(Not even one insult. Let's see if you can respond in kind and even maybe use a relevant fact this time)

[Diapered Jason]

This Slut from Georgetown! Sorry if you wanna have Sex and have me pay for it. You're a Slut!

She knew what Georgetown Policies were, she's just a extreme leftist that wanted to force someone to her beliefs.

Now it's coming out, that she believes that we should also pay for sex changes!

The world's on fire, bad economy, gas prices, mid east. BHO and the Libs wanna talk about Condoms and Birth control.

Pompous!

Let's get a couple things straight. The lawyer student from Georgetown was actually speaking about her friend who had to take birth control pills to treat her ovarian cyst; however, the insurance company refused to cover the birth control pills. Since she could not afford them, the ovarian cyst eventually ruptured requiring surgery for treatment, which is much more expensive than contraception. Note: we are actually talking about expanding insurance coverage to cover birth control pills to reduce cost. This has nothing to do with tax dollars. The issue I do not understand is we have already solved this as far as the insurance companies go, but the Republicans are still pushing legislature such as the Blunt Amendment to the highway bill. Obama and the bishops have already reached a compromise that allows all women access to contraception, even if they do work for religious institutions. This is a done deal folks and it actually reduces cost by avoiding procedures like surgery. In addition, it is fair since Viagra is covered by all health insurance and I do not see anyone complaining about that (That is because we know it is used to treat ED).

[KittenAB]

Pompous!

Let's get a couple things straight. The lawyer student from Georgetown was actually speaking about her friend who had to take birth control pills to treat her ovarian cyst; however, the insurance company refused to cover the birth control pills. Since she could not afford them, the ovarian cyst eventually ruptured requiring surgery for treatment, which is much more expensive than contraception. Note: we are actually talking about expanding insurance coverage to cover birth control pills to reduce cost. This has nothing to do with tax dollars. The issue I do not understand is we have already solved this as far as the insurance companies go, but the Republicans are still pushing legislature such as the Blunt Amendment to the highway bill. Obama and the bishops have already reached a compromise that allows all women access to contraception, even if they do work for religious institutions. This is a done deal folks and it actually reduces cost by avoiding procedures like surgery. In addition, it is fair since Viagra is covered by all health insurance and I do not see anyone complaining about that (That is because we know it is used to treat ED).

They'd rather everyone on welfare breed so they can watch them die in the streets. I wish I could say I was exaggerating too. This is literally what they want, a bunch of poor kids on welfare so they can take away the welfare after having been the reason for all the kids existing, then laugh and mock them while they suffer. There is just no other reason for supporting Viagra and not birth control for poor people.

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

@Lelin, I gave you that stats from BHO's Administration themselves. Defend it!

@Jason, you hit the nail on the head, when you said Viagra treats ED, which is a medical condition.

Also the Bishops didn't come to a understanding with BHO!

I'm glad BHO is against Catholics, it will make it much harder for him to get reelected.

I'm tired of the entitlement society that we're creating. We'll be no better then Greece at this rate.

Problem with Socialisim, eventually you run out of other peoples money!

[Leilin]

KCMO: Do you understand why the stats that you provided are irrelevant to my post? They literally do absolutely nothing to refute anything in the post I made.

Analogy:

Me: The sky is blue during the day!

You: Nuh-uh! The sky was black last night!

[Alexandra]

KCMO your the name caller and if your not then prove me wrong by calling me Alexandra like I asked you too before or call our president Obama not BHO because wheter good or bad, liked or hated, a president deserves more respect than your showing here. Also I've already said comparing us to Greece is not only irrelavent but honesty offensive and I love how you just completey ignore the fact that birth control is used to treat a lot of serious medical issues for women beyond just contraciption and in fact many more than viagra so really if anything is an unnessecary tax expense its viagra but I don't hear you clamorring to stop paying for that or maybe its because you don't get to use the pill well it thats the case that only makes you a sad little sexist pig

[redneck diaper boy]

really what about rape vitcims huh should they not be allowed to choose to not give birth to they're asslailent's child how about you get knocked up unprepared with no hope or desire to raise a child and we'll see where your opinion on abortion stand seriously its not your body so shut up and stop complaining about paying taxes towards a necissary medical procedure

Once you have a fertilized egg, that is it. You have a seperate heartbeat and sometimes a seperate blood type. As for rape, I agree with Rick Perry. Tell that to children that survived the abortion!

http://liveaction.org/blog/the-faces-of-aborted-children/

[Diapered Jason]

Once you have a fertilized egg, that is it. You have a seperate heartbeat and sometimes a seperate blood type. As for rape, I agree with Rick Perry. Tell that to children that survived the abortion!

http://liveaction.or...orted-children/

This is a done deal too. Life does not begin at conception and no, there is no separate heartbeat until later in the pregnancy (week 5 I believe). Any law that attempts to overcome this is unconstitutional. Still, I would prefer the fetus to be aborted if it was going to be born with a significant birth defect or if you are completely unprepared to raise the child. Even better yet, why don't we just use contraception, lol.

@Jason, you hit the nail on the head, when you said Viagra treats ED, which is a medical condition.

Um, did you read my post. It is the same with birth control pills since they are used to treat medical conditions as well.

[Alexandra]

Once you have a fertilized egg, that is it. You have a seperate heartbeat and sometimes a seperate blood type. As for rape, I agree with Rick Perry. Tell that to children that survived the abortion!

http://liveaction.or...orted-children/

yeah no that happens later read a medical journal if you don't believe me or do you think the whole health care profession is full of a bunch of lying commis too. and also its a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body espically if it was forced on her or like Jason brought up if you found out your child would be born with a significant birth defect now I'm not saying you need to abort every child or even that I myself am for abortion but thats not the issue the issue is about personal choice taking away a mother's right to have an abortion is wrong on every level in this supposed free society we live in

[Alexandra]

Once you have a fertilized egg, that is it. You have a seperate heartbeat and sometimes a seperate blood type. As for rape, I agree with Rick Perry. Tell that to children that survived the abortion!

http://liveaction.or...orted-children/

oh and btw that is a misnomer on several levels 1. they aren't a child they aren't even a fetus yet but far from a child 2. "surviving" abortion isn't possible either a pregnancy is terminated or it isn't the sibblings of these POTENTIAL children really have no pain from this unless told this is some how a negative thing, they never knew the "child" and wouldn't have noticed the pregnancy unless it was past the legal time limit of abortion. also I'm fairly certain most children share the same blood type as they're parents

[sarah_ab]

i love how kcmo states ed is a medical condition but does nothing to acknowledge the fact that ovarian cysts are a medical condition as well .... so we give a man viagra which in turn allows him to get an erection and have sex .... but we wont give a woman access to a medication that can prevent a cyst from rupturing and causing surgery? so a mans sex life is more impotant that a womans physical health?

[redneck diaper boy]

i love how kcmo states ed is a medical condition but does nothing to acknowledge the fact that ovarian cysts are a medical condition as well .... so we give a man viagra which in turn allows him to get an erection and have sex .... but we wont give a woman access to a medication that can prevent a cyst from rupturing and causing surgery? so a mans sex life is more impotant that a womans physical health?

I am not a doctor but isn't a cyst treated with surgery?

I have what is considered to be good insurance. It does not cover Viagra. Birth control is not covered either but we are allowed to use flexible spending accounts (pre-tax dollars) to purchase Viagra or birth control. From experience, I can tell you that Viagra cost about 17 dollars a dose. My insurance does pay for labor and delivery. My insurance carrier is AETNA.

This Fluke woman was looking to cause problems. She knowing enroled in a Jesuite school knowing the policy. If she is attending on a grant, the grant should be revoked. Condoms are cheap. This is not about healthcare. This is about destracting the electorate from the real issue: the economy that is in the toilet!

Fluke's evidence was bases on hearsay which should not be considered period. Here is the actual video

If you look at who Fluke grants interviews with, they are all left wing extreme nutballs like Ed Schultz. She does not want tough questions. She will not appear on Fox News.

Getting back to Obama he actually telephoned this Fluke woman. My question is where was Obama when Bill Maher call Sarah Palin a "dumn twat"? Where was Obama when Jimmy Fallon was calling Michelle Bachmann a "lying ass bitch"? The double standard is loud!

[Alexandra]

how wrong you continue to be seriously you'd think at your age you'd have found some common sense several people have said that Birth control is for more than just birth control and as for surger your right but birth control could have orevented the cyst period so if its between giving a woman a pill or making her go through an invasive and expensive surgery well I guess you made your choice I just hope people like you are givin maditory viscectomys and no I don't care if you already have children, or grandchildren, or great great grandchildren I'm speaking in hyperbole something you seem to love using yourself. also the other cases are not at all related to a woman having to have a surgory because necassary medicine was denied to her and also Fox news is the most insane right wing extreamest station ever she choose not to appear on their because she didn't want to get railroaded by ass-holes who have a clear agenda and no I don't care to hear about how wrong I am and how unbias and American Fox news is and how I'm a commi pig for going against it so don't bother. and your right right this issue is just a distraction but it was the republicans who dragged this issue into the media spot light to try to make Obama look bad by declaring this was some kind of war on "faith" ha the little any of them know about faith couldn't fit on the tip of one of my arrows, and finally you make christanity sound so very inviting so if she wanted to study in a christen school but also wanted contracption she might as well leave because she's going to burn in hell right?

[sarah_ab]

no not every cyst is treated by surgery, especially if there are other complications, many cysts can be shrunk, or their growth prevented with hormonal supplements, also called birth control. If a woman has uncnotrolled diabetes, respiratory problems, chronic infections and a whole host of other medical conditions, than surgery would be avoided at all costs as it could be life threatening.. hormonal supplements can reduce the cyst, there by reducing the woman's pain, without her having to take pain killers which in and of themselves can cause such things as headaches, cognitive problems and addiction.

I myself was plagued with headaches so bad i went blind, cramps so bad I had to be admitted to the hospital for pain control and bleeding so heavy i would become anemia every single month with my period. I would miss school, and have tens of thousands of dollars in hospital and medication bills every year because of this... my insurance could either pay the $10,000 a year or $1000 a year to cover hormonal supplementation (birth control) to control these symptoms. Not only was $1000 a year cheaper, but it also drastically improved my quality of life.

I was on state insurance, which was paid for by federal grants, paid for by your taxes... if it were not for you paying your taxes, i would most likely not have graduated high school on time, or gone to college and finished, or even have been able to hold down a job, and may have ended up costing even more by going on disability.....

Hormonal supplementation is a valid treatment method for extreme acne in women, acne which can crack and bleed and become infected, which can cause permenant scarring, which can be painful day and night and does not respond to other acne treatments....

The problem realy is that this is known as "birth control." If it were called a hormonal supplement, that also happened to prevent contraception, i do not think there would be as much of an issue, although there certain would still be an issue.

I do not understand thought, how a man getting his dick up should be covered by insurance, but a woman reducing her pain and improving her quality of life to the point taht she is not in teh hospital at least once a month should not be covered by insurance....

Also, condoms are a form of birth control.. so i find if funny that you will condem someone for being a slut which implies you do not approve of them having sex.. but then tell them to go and buy something which allow them to continue the behavior you do not approve of.

There was a case a while back about a 12 year old girl in mexico. She was raped by her own father and then was forced to give birth to the baby that was conceived against her will. By having her carrying to term and give birth she risked death, now she has to live the rest of her life with the trauma of knowing she was not only raped by someone who was supposed to love and protect her, but also the trauma of at 12 having to give birth and knowing there is every day living proof of the atrocity which ahppened to her..

yeah because allowing that fertilized egg to develop... a fertilized egg by the way has a 50% chance of being naturally miscarried in the first trimester without a woman even KNOWING she was pregnant..... allowing that egg to develop was definitely more important than the health and well being of a 12 year old child... good call there.. good call.....

[BoTox]

You accuse me of not reading yet many of you have invented things that were never said. Like so many liberals that refuse to understand the constitution, liberty and freedom from government oppression, you are laboring under a false premise that we/I want to make contraceptives illegal. I certainly did no say that no matter how you contort my words. I merely know that it is not constitutional to pay for such things. What private insurance does or does not pay for is a contract matter, probably open to negotiation.

Your examples are the tried and true emotional ploy of the socialists/communist/liberals. They are ancedotal at best, a plea for charity where no legal right exists for such government mandated charity. Charity is freely given. Government sponsored charity is nothing more than another welfare program that this country can ill afford in the economy of trillion dollar deficits.

It boils down to the liberals want the rule of man and I and most conservatives want the rule of law. Rule of man drags us deeper into the pit of no return while the rule of law is the freedom to succeed and achieve or make your own mistakes, free of government entanglement and intervention. You want to remove the risk but then there can be no reward. When all outcomes are equal, the stars can't shine and the greatest minds can't rise above the mediocrity that is fair.

Fair, to me, reeks of political correctness, code for take from those that have worked and achieved so that the ones that haven't can live a comfortable life at the expense of others.

There should never be a second generation of welfare recipients. Now we are having third generation welfare recipients taking up the way of drawing a check for doing nothing just like mom and grandma did. It is the greatest disservice to humanity to allow these people to lay fallow and waste any potential they might have developed. Welfare should be a path to prosperity, a hand up and not a perpetual hand out.

Flame me! You already have and will again. Your reasoning is flawed and your facts skewed. Your false logic justifies nothing to be constitutional and that is the heart of the disagreement as I see it. You have invented rights that never were where I see a document that spells out very little the federal government can do.

[Leilin]

You accuse me of not reading yet many of you have invented things that were never said.

Have the others accused you of not reading? I honestly didn't notice. I'm not entering the contraception portion of this debate because, until your post, one side of it was directly quoting Rush Limbaugh, which makes it pretty much useless and silly to bother arguing, as, once again, that has no real basis in fact.

Flame me! You already have and will again. Your reasoning is flawed and your facts skewed.

Not flaming, but are you going to respond to the facts that I presented you with on the previous page or are you going to continue to pretend that both of those posts never happened.

The majority of the contraception debate has nothing to do with "fair." There are many factors which make the fairness of it irrelevant.

1. The debate over whether healthcare is a right is temporarily sidestepped. This is not the place to have that debate. What we ARE debating is the right of doctors to tell a patient what medication is appropriate, not insurance companies or politicians.

2. Currently, major contraception medications, the development of which was paid for by taxpayer dollars, are offered in nearly any developed nation for 1/20 of the price that they can be purchased for in the US. Without insurance. It seems to me that the drug companies have something to answer for in that regard, as they're literally taking our money only to charge us more money for something which they give nearly freely, in relative terms, to every other nation's citizens. This is not a major factor within this debate, but it is a factor to be aware of. Because these companies have monopolies on these drugs, they do not follow standard economic rules.

3. Providing contraceptives at low cost actually saves money. Who do you think pays when a person with no/public insurance goes through a hospital pregnancy?

What you have provided is not logic, Botox. What you have provided is opinion. Opinion is, for all intents and purposes, the exact opposite of logic.