Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

@Redneck diaper boy! Agree 100%

[Leilin]

@Redneck diaper boy! Agree 100%

Good to know that you have no interest in facts or being taken seriously.

[KittenAB]

Good to know that you have no interest in facts or being taken seriously.

Don't be too hard on them, we all have shortcomings, the desire to shield oneself from facts and logic may seem like the worst but .... hmm ... I can't think of much worse off hand but I'm sure it's not the worst.

[redneck diaper boy]

Good to know that you have no interest in facts or being taken seriously.

So what facts did I omit? I was responding to kittens list of Obama acomplishments. The responses are common knowledge

[KittenAB]

So what facts did I omit? I was responding to kittens list of Obama acomplishments. The responses are common knowledge

My problem is the assertions and connections you draw with them. Some of them are not even bad ideas. But they are not "communist," they're barely even "socialist." Others are just towing the line from Bush. You mentioned Godwin's law, yet you invoked the "communism" version of that very law.

[BoTox]

The simple fact is Obama is putting us deeper into debt for social programs that amount to nothing more than federal welfare. Fully half of Americans pay no income tax and a significant number get a check for paying nothing. The burden on those paying goes up while the number collecting also increases. At some point, probably already passed that point, you can't sustain this pyramid scheme. It is too bottom heavy with collectors and too light on the top with payors.

The poor in this country live like kings compared to the poor in Haiti!

Being American entitles you to freedom of speech, religion and the pursuit of happiness. It does not entitle you to a piece of someone elses happiness (aka money) because they have more. It is your right to earn it as best you legally can. That's what America is all about. If you feel you are owed anything by your government then you are sadly mistaken. The government owes you nothing but the security to know you are treated equal and your basic rights are protected.

You have the freedom of speech but you aren't owed an audience. You have the freedom of religion but not to force others to your beliefs. You have the right pursue your own goals and dreams but not the right to someone elses earnings. You have the right to spend your money as you legally see fit but you do not have the right to tell me how to spend mine.

If everyone would do as they see fit within the constitution and quick trying to do for everyone else what they think is best, we'd be a lot better off.

[Leilin]

Botox: Who has added more to our debt. Bush or Obama? Show your work.

Do you realize what taxes those fully half of Americans DO pay? You use them as an excuse to say you're doubletaxed, so not counting them for others who pay them is disengenuous. Here's a breakdown of what those households DO pay: http://www.taxpolicy...-households.cfm

It's also important to realize who is actually not being taxed.

Comparing the US to what is essentially a third-world country is disingenuous and silly.

The rest is your usual anti-tax drivel. I'm just giving you a chance to sound less uninformed here, but once again I doubt you will take it.

[sarah_ab]

but isnt half of the us population ether under 18 or over 60? i mean come on dont spew a statistic that incorporates those who are under age or retired .... how many of 18-64 year olds pay taxes? thats what matters and then u have to disregards anyone in that age category who is say in a wheelchair or has mr or other disabilities that fully prevent them from working

[redneck diaper boy]

Botox: Who has added more to our debt. Bush or Obama? Show your work.

Do you realize what taxes those fully half of Americans DO pay? You use them as an excuse to say you're doubletaxed, so not counting them for others who pay them is disengenuous. Here's a breakdown of what those households DO pay: http://www.taxpolicy...-households.cfm

It's also important to realize who is actually not being taxed.

Comparing the US to what is essentially a third-world country is disingenuous and silly.

The rest is your usual anti-tax drivel. I'm just giving you a chance to sound less uninformed here, but once again I doubt you will take it.

My wife worked for H&R Block. The low income Americans get back more in a refund than that which was with-held. This was Bush problem because gave in to Democrats with so-called tax cuts. In the mean time, people that really produce, get screwed.

[Leilin]

My wife worked for H&R Block. The low income Americans get back more in a refund than that which was with-held. This was Bush problem because gave in to Democrats with so-called tax cuts. In the mean time, people that really produce, get screwed.

If you're not going to bother reading the links in the post that you're quoting, don't bother posting.

Unless, of course, you really love looking like a drooling moron.

[redneck diaper boy]

If you're not going to bother reading the links in the post that you're quoting, don't bother posting.

Unless, of course, you really love looking like a drooling moron.

The Bush deficit was higher. The issue is the Obama spending is almost that of Bush in a 3 year period!

You weren't educated in a pre Dept of Education America. You were educated in an educational system that has been hijacked by Marxists. What Obama is doing was predicted before I was born. I don't expect you to know any better.

[BoTox]

This is about Obama! Stop blaming Bush! It has been 3 years and counting. If Obama can't right the ship in 3 years, he should be a one term president. He said so himself. Only an imbicile keeps pointing backwards at "the other guy" and blaming him when he has been steering the bus deeper into the ditch than the last guy.

I'll stop defending Bush when you stop blaming him, especially since Democrats, Pelosi and Reid controlled both houses of Congress from 2006 to the end of Bush's term, part of which Obama was in the Senate and directly responsible for being a party line voter when he bothered to vote other than "present" on an issue.

The topic is "Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?" and the answer is still no. I do not like his record on guns. I do not like his record on personal liberty and the expanding welfare state. I do not like his judge appointees. I do not like his policy on domestic energy production. Most of all I do not support a supposed constitutional scholar that thinks so little of the document he swore to uphold and defend.

[redneck diaper boy]

This is about Obama! Stop blaming Bush! It has been 3 years and counting. If Obama can't right the ship in 3 years, he should be a one term president. He said so himself. Only an imbicile keeps pointing backwards at "the other guy" and blaming him when he has been steering the bus deeper into the ditch than the last guy.

I'll stop defending Bush when you stop blaming him, especially since Democrats, Pelosi and Reid controlled both houses of Congress from 2006 to the end of Bush's term, part of which Obama was in the Senate and directly responsible for being a party line voter when he bothered to vote other than "present" on an issue.

The topic is "Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?" and the answer is still no. I do not like his record on guns. I do not like his record on personal liberty and the expanding welfare state. I do not like his judge appointees. I do not like his policy on domestic energy production. Most of all I do not support a supposed constitutional scholar that thinks so little of the document he swore to uphold and defend.

It is hard to accurately describe Obama. Sometimes he is a Marxist, sometimes a Nazi and sometimes a fascist. I think he is more Marxist than anything else. Obama was not properly vetted by the media. The media gave him a pass because he is a liberal and he is black. Most people had no idea that he was the chronic liar and elitist pig. I pray that America corrects the mistake we made in 2008.

[Leilin]

The Bush deficit was higher. The issue is the Obama spending is almost that of Bush in a 3 year period!

Wrong. This was disproven earlier in this thread. If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

You weren't educated in a pre Dept of Education America. You were educated in an educational system that has been hijacked by Marxists. What Obama is doing was predicted before I was born. I don't expect you to know any better.

*yawn* You have yet to demonstrate why Obama fits the definition of Marxist and until then your insane ranting is worth less than what I scraped off of my sandals before I entered my house this morning.

BotoX: You should be ashamed to be defending this twit, and I'm not talking about Bush.

The reason why I compare Bush to Obama is thus:

Obama has added, thus far, slightly less than 1/3 of what Bush did to the debt. Since Obama doesn't control the purse strings, it might surprise you that he cannot just instantly cancel the programs that Bush and the Congress (of both parties) signed into law. It is borderline idiotic to criticize Obama for something that is the direct responsibility of Congress, especially when Congresses controlled by either and both parties have contributed so ardently to the problem.

Any candidate, ANY candidate, must be looked at in relief to his competition. If the Republican candidates had offered any differentiation between their policies and those of Bush, it would be reasonable NOT to compare them to his, but since they're nearly identical to many the policies that caused this mess (Tax cuts for the rich, two wars, constant useless expansion in defense spending), it's perfectly reasonable to compare them. If you can find a way in which any of the competing candidates, save one who I will address momentarily, has differentiated himself from Bush, then I welcome you to provide it with citation.

The exception is Paul, who believes that States should have carte blanche to violate individual rights without any sort of judicial or congressional interference. He's not just a kook. He's an antifederalist. That discussion was had during the civil war, remember? The states don't get to decide to violate human rights or institute racist or sexist policies and the courts exist specifically to protect the individual in cases precisely like that.

RDB has gone off the derp end, and unless he decides to discuss anything with even a modicum of fact is perfectly worth ridiculing for the waste of electrons that his posts merit at every opportune turn.

The problem here isn't that Obama is above reproach. The problem is that the ways in which you have chosen to reproach him aren't based in a little thing called reality.

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

@Lelin. You're wrong!! Debt under W Bush. 5.7-10.6 Trillion in 8 years

BHO 10.6-15+ trillion in 3 years!!

Class Dismissed

[Leilin]

@Lelin. You're wrong!! Debt under W Bush. 5.7-10.6 Trillion in 8 years

BHO 10.6-15+ trillion in 3 years!!

Class Dismissed

Well that settles it. Your post on a forum is OBVIOUSLY more reliable than the CBO.

If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

(Yes, I will post that phrase every single time one of you displays your lack of willingness to read by responding to a post without addressing a single iota of its content)

[Horndog]

Clouds are made of cotton candy.

Case DISMISSED.

[redneck diaper boy]

Douchebag Obama's numbers are much higher. 2008 deficit 455 billion. The following years are in the trillions!

http://www.cbo.gov/search/apachesolr_search/deficit%20year%20by%20year?keys=deficit&op=search

[Leilin]

Douchebag Obama's numbers are much higher. 2008 deficit 455 billion. The following years are in the trillions!

http://www.cbo.gov/s...ficit&op=search

If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

[BoTox]

If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

You do realize that is neither insightful nor intelligent sounding, don't you?

Everything I see talks about how the national debt has ballooned under Obama. OK if the president can't influence the budget, quit picking on Bush's deficits.

LIberals always want the cake, to eat it and have someone else pay for it.

[Leilin]

You do realize that is neither insightful nor intelligent sounding, don't you?

You do realize that you have yet to actually respond to the facts as they have been presented to you, right?

If you have no intention of reading the posts which address your flawed points in this debate, feel free to stop posting, as it's making you look like a drooling moron. If you choose to keep posting without addressing the facts, you shouldn't be surprised when people think you're an idiot and treat you like one.

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

@lielin. All you do is name call. I understand, if people present facts with you. YYou're only response is an attack or calling someone a name. As PATHETIC as they may be

If you can't bother to read, just quit posting, unless you like looking like a drooling moron.

Take some of your own advice!

Debt ubder President Bush.. 5.7-10.6 trillion in 8 years

BHO Debt 10.6-15+trillion in 3 years

Bureau of Labor Satistics, department of Energy. From the BHO administration!

[redneck diaper boy]

You do realize that is neither insightful nor intelligent sounding, don't you?

Everything I see talks about how the national debt has ballooned under Obama. OK if the president can't influence the budget, quit picking on Bush's deficits.

LIberals always want the cake, to eat it and have someone else pay for it.

This mentality is contagious. We now have a female law student demanding that the taxpayers pay for her birth control. Someone in law school perjurers in front of Congress and states the birth control cost 3000 bucks for 3 years. Anyone can get birth control from a local health dept for a lot less than 1000 bucks a year.

[Alexandra]

gods forbid a woman should want some insurance for a legitimate medicine she needs at the expense of our soganistic male masters I mean why can we women even vote right we deserve no rights even to our own bodies especially if it cuts into your pay check

[sarah_ab]

ummm yeah local health departments get their funding from where.. Oh yeah no shit federal government grants... buuuttt teh federal government wants to stop those grants... soooo yeah ...

and since more than 50% of women on 'birth control' are taking it for reasons other than contraceptive....the problem is, its commonly called "birth control" when it should be called whtat it is.. hormonal supplementation... because as said, there are a whole host of other reasons to take it other than to not get pregnant.