Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[Alexandra]

oh yeah forgot two things in my earlier rant, small note but the founding father were neither christen nor atheist they were masons. and also our country isn't based on biblical ideas its based on ideas from ancient greece and rome, and the french revolution specifically John locke

[sarah_ab]

yeah but i didn't think mason'ism was a religion.. just a group of guys who run the world....

[Alexandra]

it actually is it kind of hard to explain but there is a theology behind it

[redneck diaper boy]

_{For the younger people this upcomming election will have more of an effect on you than me. You will be paying for Obama's oppressing debt long after I am dead and gone. I am somewhat passionate because I have children and grandchildren. The Bush debt was bad but we are at war with Islamic terrorist but that is another issue. The Obama spending was nothing more that a payback to his political blokes and labor union thugs. The average American gained nothing!}

_{I have been working all my life and have paid in to Medicare and Social Security. For years the politicians have borrowed from Social Security and placed an IOU in the SS box. Well now the funds are limited to repay the IOUs. Now we all find out that Social Security in nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme. It is your money. Watch it carefully. Keep in mind that Bernie Madoff went to prison for life for doing eaxctly what the government is doing!}

_{I will say something positive about Bill Clinton. I wish Obama would screw interns instead to the America public.}

[Alexandra]

ok ignorant fuckturd keep on ranting I'm sure some idiots are listening to your bull shit

[BoTox]

... Also I've, and other posting here, have never resurted to personal attacks its you who've made this personal but here if you what personal attacks fine; BoTox both your logic and grammar are at the level of a second grader and for someone so proud to be a writter thats pretty sad so I've never read your stories but if there written half as poorly as your post here then I'm glad I haven't; .. Now you intitled to your opinion but if your not going to back them up with real non-fakey fact and your not even going to consider the other sides arguments then shut the fuck up and stop posting here because all your doing is either pissing people off or just proving how stupid your argument is.

Well, that makes my case for personal attacks by the liberals quite nicely. Headache or not, still rude and crude on your part.

I write stories for myself. If other like them, that's fine but I write primarily for me.

As for Obama, in barely 3 years he has run as much deficit as Bush did in 8. I don't approve of Bush's spending either but candidate Obama called Bush unpatriotic for the level of spending. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/24/flashback-obama-calls-adding-4-trillion-to-national-debt-unpatriotic/

Obama has been to 57 states with one to go. http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/obama-57-states.htm

Talk about making up your own facts, this president is fond of it.

[Alexandra]

ok the personal attack there was a direct response to your accusation of personal attacks so no it does not make your case. fine again I was personally insulting you because you said I insulteed you when I didn't so thats fine that you write for your self in fact I respect that position. and what facts did I make up as I said your the ones who seem to pull these facts and numbers right out of your collective asses

[Alexandra]

in case I'm not being clear enough I was proving what a real personal attack looks like and a simple reread of the post here will show no one has made any but your right I was rather rude in that post so how about this everyone on both sides stops for a moment and considers the others argument because there is no one solution or right answer so lets all keep this poliet and dignafied I'll keep my temper in check if you guys keep your comments to the topic at hand not make acussaions of people or partys and if you stop trying to use political talk shows or opinion pieces as hard facts to back up your argument

[BoTox]

Haha! I used Obama's own words against him. His record on the deficit is horrendous and his understanding of economics is bewildering. Obama tells us to cut back, suck it up and then takes lavish vacations and hobknobs with the elite wealthy and celebrities. Utter arrogance on full display by a man that has no experience with the things that real people have to cope with.

[Alexandra]

I just said no more attacks on people and further more why shouldn't he enjoy some down time he's as entitled to a vaction as you or me. also you haven't even considered the proof given on here showing he has had pleanty of experince with the real world. please can you at least try to avoide degenerating this discussion if your just going to complaim about my responing to you on the same level your using to insult Obama now

[sarah_ab]

i wish obama would screw me!! god hes hot

alex.... i don know much about masons except what ive seen in tv shows and since those are ancient alines type i cant put a lot of stock in all that is aaid .... do hou know of any good reading material about them

[Diapered Jason]

i wish obama would screw me!! god hes hot

alex.... i don know much about masons except what ive seen in tv shows and since those are ancient alines type i cant put a lot of stock in all that is aaid .... do hou know of any good reading material about them

"Secrets and Practices of the Freemasons: Sacred Mysteries, Rituals, and Symbols Revealed" by Jean-Louis de Biasi

[sarah_ab]

thanks!!

ohh and i will still ote for obama ... and i work for social security

[Leilin]

As for Obama, in barely 3 years he has run as much deficit as Bush did in 8. I don't approve of Bush's spending either but candidate Obama called Bush unpatriotic for the level of spending. http://hotair.com/ar...bt-unpatriotic/

If you quote the drudge report next, I'll get conservative anti-fact bingo!

http://www.nytimes.c...=rssnyt&emc=rss

Here are the actual facts.

Maybe you could try quoting a site that does something other than parrot pundits next time.

[Leilin]

I just said no more attacks on people and further more why shouldn't he enjoy some down time he's as entitled to a vaction as you or me. also you haven't even considered the proof given on here showing he has had pleanty of experince with the real world. please can you at least try to avoide degenerating this discussion if your just going to complaim about my responing to you on the same level your using to insult Obama now

See, attacks on Obama don't count because he's a seekrit radical Christian socialist marxist muslim who simultaneously is a do-nothing and is the "most liberal" activist, debt raising president ever. Or something.

[Alexandra]

"Secrets and Practices of the Freemasons: Sacred Mysteries, Rituals, and Symbols Revealed" by Jean-Louis de Biasi

yeah thats a good book but to summerise the theology as best I can, well it is based on christanity or really judisam to be sepcific because the first masons were stone masons in ancient egypt and they were hebrew slaves if my memory serves me correctly but they worship the the all knowing or all seeing eye, the eye above the prymid on the the back of the dollar, and they believe in a being that crafted the world which you could equate to the christen idea of god the father. basically think christen only not the barest ideas of christanity but from there very differnt beyond that you'd have to do your own research

[Alexandra]

See, attacks on Obama don't count because he's a seekrit radical Christian socialist marxist muslim who simultaneously is a do-nothing and is the "most liberal" activist, debt raising president ever. Or something.

duh silly me, of course how could I forget that. lol

[Horndog]

It's best to probably not feed into what BoToX and Redneck are saying. They continue to talk themselves into a vacuum. Let 'em.

The moment BoToX stated that he was "right" -- and substantiated his arguments only with half-cocked, poorly conceived anecdotes about his "success" -- was when I stopped caring. People on message boards are often nervous about talking politics because it creates drama. The reason that drama exists is because people rarely post with an open mind and the consideration that maybe, just maybe the "other side" of the debate has something worth thinking about. I find it disrespectful when someone comes into a discussion, posts the same things over and over again without having a conversation, and says, "I'm right, and I'm here to convince everyone here that I am."

Literally everything these conservatives are saying about Obama can be said about Bush, and other GOP presidents that served in office during their lifetimes. Obama takes "lavish" vacations and hobnobs with elites? Dubya spent plenty of time in office playing golf in Texas (

). Obama's record on the deficit "horrendous" and understanding of the economy is "bewildering"? How about Dubya, who increased the deficit, deregulated the banks to the point of being "too big to fail" (Clinton helped with that too), and allowed investors to bet on bad mortgages for profit? Now when people mention Bush, conservatives deride them for having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," or they'll mention tepidly that they weren't fans of Bush's policies -- yet somehow, Bush receives a gentle slap of the wrist. No, not even a slap on the wrist. Just a very disingenuous wag of the finger from the same establishment who was conspicuously silent when Bush was in office. Only after the November 2008 is when people tried to distance themselves from Bush. Very disingenuous.

With all these double-standards, BoToX and Redneck are not to be trusted. It's not even political anymore. It's about what they think of other people here: to belittle them so with pomposity in the absence of research that they should be doing.

[Alexandra]

So true Horndog and very well said, A lot of wisdom in your comment mainly in that there is usually some merrit in the other sides argument but if you refuse to even conternance the ideas opposing your view points the disscussion quickly degenerates

[BoTox]

I used Obama's own words, he said them, no conservative or tea partier or republican made them up. He said them himself. How is that attacking Obama?

Taxes need to go down, Obama isn't doing that. Spending needs to go down, Obama isn't doing that. The deficit needs to go down, Obama isn't doing that. The most recent budget he submitted is a joke, full of fake savings and plenty of tax increases.

Obama stands for so many things I do not support that the list goes on and on. He's anti-2nd amendment is first and foremost on my list. He supports and signs laws that fund things I find immoral such as publicly funded abortion, fetal stem cell research among them. I'm not trying to deny anyone access to abortion or fetal stem cells but the government has no place funding it.

Smearing mud on Redneck and I without substance to support Obama is not helping your candidate.

[sarah_ab]

Sides, everyone knows the only completely right person on this whole site is ME! geeshhh i believe i posted that a while back.... so please everyone I am right, you are all wrong.. bow down to me your soon to be supreme leader.

[Diaper Mike 05]

Literally everything these conservatives are saying about Obama can be said about Bush, and other GOP presidents that served in office during their lifetimes. Obama takes "lavish" vacations and hobnobs with elites? Dubya spent plenty of time in office playing golf in Texas (

). Obama's record on the deficit "horrendous" and understanding of the economy is "bewildering"? How about Dubya, who increased the deficit, deregulated the banks to the point of being "too big to fail" (Clinton helped with that too), and allowed investors to bet on bad mortgages for profit? Now when people mention Bush, conservatives deride them for having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," or they'll mention tepidly that they weren't fans of Bush's policies -- yet somehow, Bush receives a gentle slap of the wrist. No, not even a slap on the wrist. Just a very disingenuous wag of the finger from the same establishment who was conspicuously silent when Bush was in office. Only after the November 2008 is when people tried to distance themselves from Bush. Very disingenuous.

Finally, someone who said what needed to be said in a manner that doesn't come across as snarky or holier-than-thou.

Both sides have been at fault for years, but too many people cling to political ideology thinking their side's ways will make it better. Really, I haven't felt the last 2 PotUS were up to the job, and both have turned out to be the worst I have seen. I'm not old enough to remember Clinton's years well enough to make a judgment, but the worst I can think of about him is that he had inappropriate sexual relations in the Oval Office. To me, so what? He seemed to be a moderate who seemed to be what I am looking for in a candidate - someone who doesn't cling just to the D by his name on the ballot as a source of pride.

Ideally, I'd like to see a PotUS who truly is fiscally responsible, but understands the fine line between what business needs to grow and succeed with low taxes for all, and what social programs we need for our country to grow.

And for the argument, I know Canadians (quite a few) and I haven't heard anything fully positive about socialized medicine.

[Horndog]

I'm going to tick that nifty little "ignore" feature on BoToX and Redneck. I find them to be disrespectful, plain and simple. Again, it's not about politics anymore when you look at one side, disregard the other with repugnant self-righteousness, and substantiate that disregard with angry, misinformed platitudes that bear no resemblance to reality. Sorry. Strike three, and you're out. Don't disrespect your fellow members with fiction, and force-feed it into our consciousness as fact while others are putting more effort to present their arguments better than you.

[Leilin]

Horndog: Where is that feature? O_O The only one I see is the ability to ignore signatures, or I would have ignored 3 or 4 people on this forum ages ago.

[redneck diaper boy]

Well, that makes my case for personal attacks by the liberals quite nicely. Headache or not, still rude and crude on your part.

I write stories for myself. If other like them, that's fine but I write primarily for me.

As for Obama, in barely 3 years he has run as much deficit as Bush did in 8. I don't approve of Bush's spending either but candidate Obama called Bush unpatriotic for the level of spending. http://hotair.com/ar...bt-unpatriotic/

Obama has been to 57 states with one to go. http://politicalhumo...a-57-states.htm

Talk about making up your own facts, this president is fond of it.

Well when I was 18 I drank the political kool-aid a voted for a Georgia governor who promised "hope and change"! His name was Jimmy Carter. Jimmy wanted to spread the wealth. Jimmy envisioned a socialist utopia. I thought my Russian professor was crazy. I thought my parents didn't know anything. Like Obama, Jimmy had buzz words such as "misery index".

In 1980 I didn't know much about Ronald Reagan. All I wanted was to rid the Oval Office of Carter. Carter brought on double digit inflation, double digit unemployment and double digit interest rates. I remember my first car note interest rate was 17 percent and I thought I was getting a deal! Immagine a mortgage at 20 percent! In 1984, I went to the polling place with no doubts about Reagan at all! It took Reagan to clean up the Carter mess.

Now I am in my mid 50's. I remember being a young teenager in church and listening to a minister predict a dark future for America. My father told me that I would see Communists in control of America in my lifetime. My father died in 77 and the minister was old so I am sure he is gone but they were both right. I thought these old geezers knew nothing! Now 40 years seems like yesterday! The irony is the old geezers were right! One of the old geezers died about the time I was born. Joseph McCarthy was a visionary. Hollywood is full of Marxists!