Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[Leilin]

They had the house, 60 Senate seats until the passing of Kennedy, and the White House.

Most people with common sense do not count Lieberman as a Democrat, since he isn't (He's a democratic Independent), which makes 59 for the people who are having trouble, and not a Supermajority which is required to pass filibuster, which there wouldn't be need of without an ideologically bound second party trying to filibuster literally everything.

Regardless of that, and I know this is hard for the hardline Republican to grasp, but ideological purity is a BAD THING. A "supermajority" only works when that supermajority is bound by the constraints of ideological purity and party-line voting. Without those two factors, the statement of that 60 seat majority is little more than a debunked and hackneyed talking point.

Furthermore, you cannot simultaneously blame Obama for not passing good things and root for Republicans without being incredibly intellectually dishonest. Republicans have purposely and intently obstructed EVERYTHING he has done. Either disagree with him or say he hasn't gone far enough. Doing both just highlights you as somebody who watches too much Fox and not enough actual news, which can be cured by getting an 8th grade education and picking up something which wasn't dictated from Rush Limbaugh's drivel.

[sarah_ab]

oh phew! i have more than an 8th grade education... coincidentally, when applying for social security disability, your educational level does not matter until you are aged 50 or older.... I just thought i'd share.

[Leilin]

oh phew! i have more than an 8th grade education... coincidentally, when applying for social security disability, your educational level does not matter until you are aged 50 or older.... I just thought i'd share.

You are also not guilty of idiocy.

[Total Trash]

The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong.

The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong.

The Civil Rights Act was morally wrong.

I'm sure you're not a racist, though. 'Cause only Blacks can be racist, right?

[Horndog]

true enough, but I did ask how he would handle congress as well as the executive duties.

How could he "handle" Congress? That's a trick question. He can't. That's my point. Anything Obama puts on the table will get shot down by the Republican-controlled House... because they can.

By the way, Obama did explain what was in his jobs plan. Google it.

[Diapered Jason]

Most people with common sense do not count Lieberman as a Democrat, since he isn't (He's a democratic Independent), which makes 59 for the people who are having trouble, and not a Supermajority which is required to pass filibuster, which there wouldn't be need of without an ideologically bound second party trying to filibuster literally everything.

I hate that guy. He is a flip flop.

How could he "handle" Congress? That's a trick question. He can't. That's my point. Anything Obama puts on the table will get shot down by the Republican-controlled House... because they can.

It is possible. Bill Clinton did it.

And I still want the 22% pay I lost because Obama got elected.

Where is the premise in that?

To be perfectly honest Diaper Mike, I believe the Republicans are much worse off politically. They have shown the worst leadership in years and their ideas are ludicrous. Mitt Romney said at his speech in New Hampshire and I quote "We are going to lower the tax rate and have the grandest army in the world." So blatantly oxymoronic don't you think. At the same time, we have Newt Gingrich best described as Eric Cartman. For example, remember when he complained about Romney's superpac and how derisive it was to him. The hypocrite Newt Gingrich practically invented that kind of politics and now he is doing the same thing to Mitt Romney. Whether they know it or not, these guys are shooting themselves in the foot for the general election. Then there is John Boehner. He has been the most unsuccessful speaker in history seeing as his ability to pass bills has had the worst record of any speaker. He should have never acknowledged the Tea Party, which is too far right. It is so sad. I do not think the Republican party has much of a future right now.

[Alexandra]

How could he "handle" Congress? That's a trick question. He can't. That's my point. Anything Obama puts on the table will get shot down by the Republican-controlled House... because they can.

By the way, Obama did explain what was in his jobs plan. Google it.

um I was asking a hopothical question to redneck diaper boy to make a point that regardless of your polictical opinion, the job of the president isn't as simple as making laws, its making compromises that better the country and satisfy both political parties and is constitutional. so you can't expect any legislation to be flawless you have to look at why it was made, what impact it had, if it lived up to its intent, and if it follows the constitution.

[sarah_ab]

The job will be quite simple for me....Sarah_ab 2020!!!!

I have no plans to satisfy both political parties... my role as president is not to satisfy a political party but to do the most good for the most people.... while also protecting the minority populations (although by the time i am president 'white' will be the minority... we won't get into that....)

[Alexandra]

The job will be quite simple for me....Sarah_ab 2020!!!!

I have no plans to satisfy both political parties... my role as president is not to satisfy a political party but to do the most good for the most people.... while also protecting the minority populations (although by the time i am president 'white' will be the minority... we won't get into that....)

ha you'd have my vote, but in reality although I wish the role of president could be to do the most good the reality is that in order to get anything done a president must play to the political parties

[redneck diaper boy]

um I was asking a hopothical question to redneck diaper boy to make a point that regardless of your polictical opinion, the job of the president isn't as simple as making laws, its making compromises that better the country and satisfy both political parties and is constitutional. so you can't expect any legislation to be flawless you have to look at why it was made, what impact it had, if it lived up to its intent, and if it follows the constitution.

You don't compromise with any President that is obsessed with the destruction of America! Obama is a Marxist. Obama is a racist. Obama is an elitist. Obama has no business being in the Oval Office. Marxism and freedom are not compatable. I prefer personal freedom. The Obama supporters want something for free at other people's expense. Socialism is only viable until the government runs out of other people's money. As of right now, the government has run out of other people's money. America is on the same road that has been traveled by Greece.

[Leilin]

You don't compromise with any President that is obsessed with the destruction of America! Obama is a Marxist. Obama is a racist. Obama is an elitist. Obama has no business being in the Oval Office. Marxism and freedom are not compatable. I prefer personal freedom. The Obama supporters want something for free at other people's expense. Socialism is only viable until the government runs out of other people's money. As of right now, the government has run out of other people's money. America is on the same road that has been traveled by Greece.

You forgot to say that he was born in Kenya. You're slipping.

[Alexandra]

You don't compromise with any President that is obsessed with the destruction of America! Obama is a Marxist. Obama is a racist. Obama is an elitist. Obama has no business being in the Oval Office. Marxism and freedom are not compatable. I prefer personal freedom. The Obama supporters want something for free at other people's expense. Socialism is only viable until the government runs out of other people's money. As of right now, the government has run out of other people's money. America is on the same road that has been traveled by Greece.

for startes hypothitical means you don't put to a real world example I asked how would you handle things. two I highly doubt you even know what marxism, or an elitist is beyond there names. three how can some who's against civil rights legislation be for personal freedom. four is that really your response "you disagree with me so you must be a money grubbing evil comie" come on thats only shows how little insight into politics or for that matter proper method of educational discusion and debate you have. five the government hasn't run out of money then we'd be in a depression and we're not we're in a recession there is a difference. finally as someone who is part greek I find that kind of tasteless, little offensive, and pretty irrelevent to this discussion.

[Diaper Mike 05]

Liberalism is why California is broke. I lived there 19 years and the amount the state spends on illegals is high. And welfare. They just love to give money away.

The 22% I lost in pay is losing a good paying job in manufacturing and having to get a job paying 22% less (all) after Obama was elected. I work in the manufacturing sector and we knew Obama would be a problem for us, and it proved out in 2009-2010. We are now worried about Cap and Trade and the effect it would have on us, even though we would be a player in the Green Energy initiative. Green energy production and a carbon tax cannot coexist. Manufacturing is up now before some laws that people who are above my pay grade are thinking will hit the books either this July or be passed during the lame duck session and people are trying to get their parts and machines done to beat this deadline.

Leilin, I'm not going to answer your ad hominem and strawman attacks except to say you're wrong on two assumptions - I'm a political independent who would vote Republican only if given two choices, and I'm obviously more educated than you're giving me credit for because I work in an engineering office in multiple positions in the manufacturing sector. And when I think politically, I think from the engineering side of things, as in what works for the small problem, and keep leveling it up to come to a decision.

Horndog, I think both parties are bad off, except the Democrats haven't had to show how bad off they are. They still have an ineffective leader who needs to communicate why we should do something with rational thinking instead of going to emotional pleas (Bush did the same thing, most notably in the 2004 election). I still stand behind the Obama and Pelosi comments in a previous post as bad ways to lead. 2016 (if Obama gets re-elected) will show the state of the Democratic Party and, combined with the state of the Republicans, should be the perfect storm for a viable third party to emerge.

[Alexandra]

Liberalism is why California is broke. I lived there 19 years and the amount the state spends on illegals is high. And welfare. They just love to give money away.

The 22% I lost in pay is losing a good paying job in manufacturing and having to get a job paying 22% less (all) after Obama was elected. I work in the manufacturing sector and we knew Obama would be a problem for us, and it proved out in 2009-2010. We are now worried about Cap and Trade and the effect it would have on us, even though we would be a player in the Green Energy initiative. Green energy production and a carbon tax cannot coexist. Manufacturing is up now before some laws that people who are above my pay grade are thinking will hit the books either this July or be passed during the lame duck session and people are trying to get their parts and machines done to beat this deadline.

Leilin, I'm not going to answer your ad hominem and strawman attacks except to say you're wrong on two assumptions - I'm a political independent who would vote Republican only if given two choices, and I'm obviously more educated than you're giving me credit for because I work in an engineering office in multiple positions in the manufacturing sector. And when I think politically, I think from the engineering side of things, as in what works for the small problem, and keep leveling it up to come to a decision.

Horndog, I think both parties are bad off, except the Democrats haven't had to show how bad off they are. They still have an ineffective leader who needs to communicate why we should do something with rational thinking instead of going to emotional pleas (Bush did the same thing, most notably in the 2004 election). I still stand behind the Obama and Pelosi comments in a previous post as bad ways to lead. 2016 (if Obama gets re-elected) will show the state of the Democratic Party and, combined with the state of the Republicans, should be the perfect storm for a viable third party to emerge.

So what obama fired you or something or maybe he personally shut down the company you worked for, if not the how is he to blame for you losing a good job. and the idea of starting small in politics is almost never possible as the government serves the entire nation which is not small so they have to try to please everyone which is all but impossible

[Leilin]

Leilin, I'm not going to answer your ad hominem and strawman attacks except to say you're wrong on two assumptions - I'm a political independent who would vote Republican only if given two choices,

Then you are not an independent.

As to your assumptions that the problems in California are due to liberalism, you are half correct, but those problems have nothing to do with Obama. California currently is in a situation where any appropriations bill can be passed with simple majority (by the people) and any revenue bill can only be passed by 2/3. This means that the state continues to be jilted by pet-projects of one demagogue or another and continually fails to have ways to pay for them. That is a bipartisan issue and only partisan hacks such as yourself really blame it on one or the other.

Secondly, in all of your crowing about your "education," you seem to have misused the phrase "ad hominem," which refers to the logical fallacy of, oversimplified "You are my opponent, therefore you are wrong," rather than, doing precisely as I did and dissecting your completely factless drivel as what it was. You also misused "strawman," as I didn't address any arguments that you didn't actually make. Perhaps your flaunted "education" skipped courses in logic?

It's doubly amusing that you refer to yourself as "an independent" who always votes Republican, when given the choice between the two major parties while simultaneously seemingly referring to Joe Lieberman, an "independent" who spoke at the Republican Convention in 2008, as a Democrat. Keep on spinnin', there.

Remember, kids! Both parties are bad, so vote Republican.

[redneck diaper boy]

For those who say I don't know what Marxism is, I spent two years with a professor from Russia who escaped the tyranny of Joseph Stalin. I forgot more about Marxism than most Americans will ever know. Ironically this professor was born in 1917 which was the year of the Bolshevik revolution. I was a young child during the Cuban missile crisis. We thought we were going to get nuked. Nobody under 50 years of age has any business telling me what I don't know.

[Leilin]

For those who say I don't know what Marxism is, I spent two years with a professor from Russia who escaped the tyranny of Joseph Stalin. I forgot more about Marxism than most Americans will ever know. Ironically this professor was born in 1917 which was the year of the Bolshevik revolution. I was a young child during the Cuban missile crisis. We thought we were going to get nuked. Nobody under 50 years of age has any business telling me what I don't know.

This just makes your apparent ignorance that much more hilarious.

(Speaking of logical fallacies, RDB just perfectly demonstrated an appeal to authority which he then invalidated in a subordinate clause to that same sentence. Epic Derp)

I'm sure that THIS TIME, instead of copy-pasting the same laughable statement, perhaps you can give us some concrete evidence as to HOW Obama is Marxist?

I won't hold my breath. As usual, you are completely divorced from reality.

[redneck diaper boy]

This just makes your apparent ignorance that much more hilarious.

(Speaking of logical fallacies, RDB just perfectly demonstrated an appeal to authority which he then invalidated in a subordinate clause to that same sentence. Epic Derp)

I'm sure that THIS TIME, instead of copy-pasting the same laughable statement, perhaps you can give us some concrete evidence as to HOW Obama is Marxist?

I won't hold my breath. As usual, you are completely divorced from reality.

There was no cut and pasting. I'll never forget the day a kid showed up for class with a hammer and sickle on is jacket. We had to contact campus security to seperate them! That was in 1976.

As for evidence of Marxism, did you listen to the state of the union? The speech reeked of "Each according to his ability to each according to his need"! It was right from Marx's statement in 1875!

[Leilin]

Yup. Roughly the level of derp and the lack of concrete fact I expected from your response. As I said, I'm not holding my breath.

[Alexandra]

For those who say I don't know what Marxism is, I spent two years with a professor from Russia who escaped the tyranny of Joseph Stalin. I forgot more about Marxism than most Americans will ever know. Ironically this professor was born in 1917 which was the year of the Bolshevik revolution. I was a young child during the Cuban missile crisis. We thought we were going to get nuked. Nobody under 50 years of age has any business telling me what I don't know.

firstly just because this supossed professor escaped stalin dosen't mean that he knew a thing about marxism I mean you live in America and you know next to nothing about the republic, the constitution, or democracy. secondly that only makes you all the sader, your old, bitter and ignorant. being old doesen't make you a sage unless your wise which trust me your not. lastly you say you love the bible, mind you I'm not christen but I have read the bible and I seem to recall a passage in mathew 7: 1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

[Leilin]

As a short break to this thread, and because it's CUTE, I wanted to link this here:

http://www.theatlant...al-lover/46576/

I disagree vehemently with Newt Gingrich's politics, but the guy is a HUGE animal lover and these are flat-out adorable pictures, so there's at least one thing we agree on.

[Alexandra]

adorable, my favorits were the hawk and the baby white tiger

[Diapered Jason]

The 22% I lost in pay is losing a good paying job in manufacturing and having to get a job paying 22% less (all) after Obama was elected. I work in the manufacturing sector and we knew Obama would be a problem for us, and it proved out in 2009-2010. We are now worried about Cap and Trade and the effect it would have on us, even though we would be a player in the Green Energy initiative. Green energy production and a carbon tax cannot coexist. Manufacturing is up now before some laws that people who are above my pay grade are thinking will hit the books either this July or be passed during the lame duck session and people are trying to get their parts and machines done to beat this deadline.

Well, how do you know it was not the bad economy that began during the Bush presidency, which hit all sectors of employment especially manufacturing, that caused you to lose your job? Moving on. I will agree that the production of most solar cells requires the use of toxic chemicals such as Arsenic and Cadmium. Many of the popular solar cells require high amounts of energy to produce, especially silicon solar cells, which means more carbon dioxide emissions. Fortunately, there are much better solar cell types on the horizon that are very inexpensive to make and whose manufacturing does not place much of a burden on the environment. The Cap and Trade policy is essentially a replication of the Clean Air Act of 1990 that was designed for acid rain that they now want to apply to carbon dioxide since it was successful in reducing acid rain. I think it may help, but with an incapacitated Congress, I do not think the Democrats will pursue it nor is it worth pursuing when there are more important things. They might pursue it if the Dems take back the house in the next major election, but I would rather have them go after a budget.

[redneck diaper boy]

If you are young and conservative, you have no heart. If you are old and liberal, you have no brain

[Alexandra]

and what if your young and moderate?