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I don't think "normal" people would understand how maddening that feeling is to constantly have to pee. Even if you can hold it well past that initial warning, having that constantly nagging feeling is so disruptive in every aspect of life. You give in and go to the bathroom which just reduces the time of the feedback loop (OAB makes OAB worse over time). Going 24/7 in diapers was so freeing that I don't even care anymore about being completely incontinent.

What I realized is that I'm much less of a DL than just someone who was suffering from OAB and feeling weird about using diapers before I truly needed them. Yes, I have seen a doctor about it and it turns out it's not normal to have to pee 15+ times in a day. Now I'm not always wishing I was wearing a diaper so that I don't have to interrupt what I am doing or get up multiple times in the night to pee. Now I'm not envious of others who are incontinent or committed to 24/7 wear. Now I'm just doing it, wearing diapers full time and feeling free from that urge (to pee) and the mental gymnastics needed to ignore that. I had a few doubts in the first few years but once you master the right combination of products, clothing, disposal, and acquisition then it all just goes on autopilot. We have so many great products today. I wish I could be more open about things with others to potentially advocate to those who suffer from incontinence not because of the condition but because of the bad products and mindset as U.S. companies only market products that are intentionally thin and don't "feel like diapers". There's good people like @NorthShoreAdam doing work like that.

I didn't mean to write a novel here, this was only meant to be small comment but why not, here is my update: It definitely doesn't happen overnight. I started my 24/7 journey 6 years ago. I've been fully committed. I lost night time urinary incontinence in mere months. Poop is always a surprise now but it's surprisingly manageable if you want to avoid doing it in your pants. You'll learn when your body is going to do its business and preempt it. If I'm sitting and working then I pee on auto pilot all day long. If I'm moving around and bending over and doing things I have a tendency to retain but if I stop and stand or even sit down to take a break I'll get a small warning and then I'll pee automatically if I don't stop it. I would say I'm still continent for at least an hour (maybe two or three in the evenings) as long as I clear things out first and don't drink a lot. I can pee easily now while walking or driving where I could never do that before. I think a lot of my early wins are because I've probably been dealing with OAB for a good 20 years and IBS-D for a good 10. Going 24/7 was my way to free myself from the maddening urges (and resulting mental trauma) of needing to pee all the time, especially before noon, causing multiple bathroom trips interrupting work. I also no longer enjoyed vacationing or road trips because first thing I'd do is look for a bathroom everywhere we stopped. Now visiting the bathroom is mostly a timed thing unless I have an unexpected bowel issue while out and about. No regrets. The only thing I still struggle with is wanting to fully keep it a secret (having to wear diapers) from everyone I know, except my spouse. Before I went 24/7 I thought way too much about diapers and these lifestyles we talk about here and made a huge deal of things mentally with binge/purge cycles and feeling mentally weird about wanting to wear diapers, wondering what was wrong with me. Now I don't really care about any of it. Now I feel complete as a person. I come here occasionally to see how other's journeys are going and see what's up with products and such. Now I only think about diapers and the bathroom logistically. I am free from the anxiety and the choice of whether to wear a diaper or not. I am no longer jealous of anyone who "has to" wear a diaper for medical reasons because well, now I do too. Good luck on your journeys.

I use 3M Medipore tape occasionally. Use 4 squares worth of tape from one side of your junk up and over to the other side. Holds things in place nicely. Sometimes I roll up some toilet paper and get it wet and sort of form it over my junk while taping up which does a great job keeping it pointed down and not riding up.

I started my 24/7 journey about 6 years ago. I started bed wetting reliably after 2 months (first time after 1.5 months). After about 9 months I considered it permanent and would happen almost every night regardless of circumstances. There's no way I could reverse this now. Obviously everybody's body is different. I'm certain now I was probably suffering from an overactive bladder and that significantly influenced me into being interested in the diapered life. No regrets.

I started my 24/7 journey about 6 years ago. I started bed wetting reliably after 2 months (first time after 1.5 months). After about 9 months I considered it permanent and would happen almost every night regardless of circumstances. There's no way I could reverse this now. Obviously everybody's body is different. I'm certain now I was probably suffering from an overactive bladder and that significantly influenced me into being interested in the diapered life. I still haven't lost daytime continence. I can put things on autopilot and pee regularly all day long without making a decision but when I take the diaper off I still instinctively hold my urine. I doubt I could make it too many hours though. No major regrets so far, though I've had to pass on some cool camping opportunities but the very real and not in any way self inflicted irritable bowel and associated urge incontinence negates any bladder issues that may be self inflicted.

Wow, talk about predicting the future. Incontrol started selling the Mega Inspire up until the new BeDry series came out. Now with the BeDry Night they've even trumped the Mega Inspire slightly on capacity. The plastic has improved. They aren't calling it "euro soft" but it it's pretty darn close to the original Rearz Dinosaur. Much better than that stiff plastic on the Elite. TBH the super high capacities are a gimmic. The BeDry Elitecare doesn't have a noticeably larger capacity than the original Elite (5400 vs 7000). They are great products, probably the best but nobody is putting twice the urine into a Mega Inspire vs. a Megamax. Even in a perfect test 12 liters has to be more than it can physically absorb. I do like the capacity variety of the BeDry series. Good value for what your needs may be.

you gotta try the tape, it will stay where you put it and it will be pointed in the optimal location for both comfort and efficient diaper usage, even moving around it stays in place

0|0 center the tape over the top of the penis while it points down, overlapping the head just a little bit so it doesn't want to bend and poke straight out, wrap the tape around the sides of your sack, you're basically taping it to to the scrotum on both sides

I'm 4.5 years into 24/7. I'm pretty certain I've achieved OAB. Before I started this I had an 8 ounce bladder capacity. I don't think it's shrunk much. I can still hold it if I want but not for longer than about an hour. Most days are complete auto pilot and I just pee as soon as the need hits. Occasional I'll become aware only after the fact. I'm completely incontinent at night. I'm pretty close to full #2 incontinence. Instant urges to go and I have seconds of warning before I'm going to let loose. I think part of this #2 progress is that my bowels just suck. I legit have IBS and I can't really feel whats going on in there. I didn't set out to lose bowel continence but it was super easy to just let go of it versus deal with the urge pains I had before. I think full daytime urinary incontinence is definitely a long game to achieve.

I'm 5 years into the journey. I started by drinking 1 liter of water every night before bed. I had my first wet night after 5 weeks. I started regularly wetting a couple of weeks after that. I tracked the first 5 months of progress but after 2 months I was at a 70% bedwetting rate so it was kind of pointless. I figured It was permanent after about 9 months. I stopped drinking so much water after about 1 year and it seems like it "stuck". Even 5 years later I'll drink a good 8 ounces of water or more before bed just for the experience of waking up nice and wet. Based on stories I read here I'm probably pretty lucky it happened so fast but I also started with a bladder capacity of about 8 ounces (which I believe is what really gave me the desire to go 24/7). Edit to add more details: The first few years for the most part it seemed like I'd wet early on in the night and then in many occasions I'd wake up a few hours later needing to pee again. I attribute part of this to increased pressure caused by a bulging diaper. Lately it seems I often don't have any need to manually release during the night and wake up nice and wet in the morning with only a mild need to pee. So it does seem there are phases you go through until you reach complete nighttime incontinence. Also I see a lot of people worried about leaks. I have a mattress protector but haven't had any leaks after the first year (there were 2). The key is using a good diaper. I started with BetterDry then moved on to Incontrol Elite and now Inspire Mega or BeDry Night. Never have issues. On the "real" incontinence forums people try their hardest to avoid using real protection and constantly deal with leaks. I don't get it.

After extensive research (tubing, holes cut in strips of plastic, other random ideas etc) I found the perfect solution: 3M™ Medipore™ H Soft Cloth Surgical Tape 2862 The tape has perforations. Take 4 sections of tape and tear at the perforation. Point your member down and place the middle of the tape over your unit slightly overlapping the head. Pull the two sides of the strip of tape over your junk. The tape should almost reach the crease between your sack and your leg on each side. Obviously this will be less painful during removal with less hair in the area. This will keep it pointed in the correct downward position, keep it from pointing straight out or to the side and will be much more comfortable when urinating. It will also direct more of the pee to lower in the padding and into the center for better dispersal. Whenever I'm going to be moving around a lot I do this and it's been great. The tape isn't too difficult to remove if it's been on for a few hours.

Your research and observations resonate completely. I too am always looking for the best value in a product. Will its capacity last long enough to replace multiple inferior products? etc. That led me to purchase more of the higher end abdl diapers even though I do not care at all for the prints and would prefer less stress of the "what ifs" when leaving the house. The Megamax isn't as wide, and doesn't wick as well. I'm sure it's great for some people but combine that with price and other options become a better overall value. I am switching entirely (for my max capacity needs) to the new Mega Inspire. It's as close as I think they have come to perfection. The Incontrol Elite is almost perfect, except the harder plastic and hybrid tapes. They (the Elite) are very thirsty and almost seem underrated compared to the Rearz 7000+ ml products. I always thought an all white Rearz Dinosaur with the Elite core would have been a perfect product addition to their Incontrol line. The Mega Inspire is almost better than that. It has greater capacity, a bit less wicking capability and still has a soft outer plastic (the Dinosaur had the "euro soft plastic") with a quieter front panel in an all white package I can wear wherever, whenever, without any stress. They should sell the Mega Inspire on their incontroldiapers.com website as the "Incontrol Elite Max" or "Incontrol Elite Classic" or something.

tl;dr: I have achieved persistent nightly wetting. I am to the point I don't need to drink any amount of water before bed to make it happen. At this point I don't think it's reversible as the things that usually meant I would wake up to wet don't work anymore (caffeine in the evening, painkillers like ibuprofen, benedryl - a sort of oab med effect). I started with night training (~2 years) and then added daytime training which I'm sure is helping (~1.5 years). This was my nightly regime for a whole year: Drink 1 liter of water before bed every night. Get in a good position and pee a little before sleeping. Make sure you are set up well to sleep good, limit caffeine etc. Mind over matter: tell yourself every night that it's ok to let go, this is the new normal. After 1.5 months I got my first wet night. It took until month 3 to get more wettings. At first it was a few nights a week and only maybe the first wetting of the night (waking for subsequent wettings). After about 8/9 months things started to change where I would wake up later and later for subsequent wettings. I still had to drink more water and get good sleep for it to happen but I sense this was probably the point of no return. Almost two years in and I basically pee every night regardless of caffeine intake or water intake. I stopped drinking lots of water every night, only do it if I feel like it. I pee less but sleep better than I did before I started this process. I usually only wake up in the early hours if I need to pee. Last night I made it through the whole night without waking to pee at all, I was just wet in the morning when I got up. This is happening more and more. My disclaimer on these results is this: I believe I've had some underlying level of OAB issues for most of my adult years. Also have bad IBS-D (justification for going 24/7). My desire to make the IC official was to jump out of horrible place I was in having to go to the bathroom 15+ times in a day including the start of twice nightly. I wanted to jump in with both feet fully and actually need/justify the diapers instead of playing the game of deciding when was appropriate or not. I don't think anyone should suffer that psychological torture (even though identifying as IC is it's own psychological transition). I think all I've done is help the inevitable process move along.

Not sure it will do anything unless you have sleep issues. After experimenting with it on and off I’ve found it helps me get to sleep faster. 10mg does the trick but it’s a higher dose.