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If you're anything like me, basic chastity won't prevent an orgasm. You'll need complete denial. Just the thought of that would probably drive me nuts!

So the TENS/EMS unit really did help you with relaxing your pelvic floor? Which unit did you buy (link please?) and how are you positioning the leads to relax your pelvic floor? Would you mind elaborating on the much less fun side effects? Can you also elaborate on this more? Thanks to the both of you!

Can't I just have the OAB without the feeling of needing to pee? Ugh. I do not like that feeling and if it means to achieve OAB that I have to feel like I need to pee all the time I may reconsider this. I thought OAB would be the way to go, but I'm seeing more posts by others that say the same as you, and in some cases are painful! *shudder*

Hmm, "hypertonic pelvic floor," ... this could be my issue as well. It's very difficult for me to relax while up and about. I can managed a relaxed state while sitting but then my other issue is getting my brain to send the signal to contract my bladder, which I feel is more or a less a loose wire sometimes. If my bladder would just automatically void, almost in an OAB way, I think I'd be making more progress. Please let us (me) know what you figure out works for you! All the feels.

Wow, congratulations! Amazing work you've done. I'm kinda low-key jealous. I'm 3 years into my journey and making little progress. Weakening bowel control seems to be common with untraining. I'm not sure it ever fully goes away, but hey, you're in diapers so does it ultimately matter? I guess it does if you don't want to mess a fresh premium diaper. Hehe. Good luck with your continuing decline in continence. You've given others hope, I'm sure.

Not likely, give it an hour or so The "big plunge". Good stuff to think about. Kind of heavy too -- to cut the line or to not cut the line?, that is the question. At least in your neck of the woods healthcare is at least affordable so if you DO have to go get your stent removed, it at least won't break the bank. I've been to the ER before to get a lost stent removed. It was easily the most embarrassing day of my life in the hospital and I had like 100 people come ask me what the problem what -- I think they just couldn't believe it and had to ask for themselves. Once I got home, I left that shame behind, stent free. So if you really think about it, it's still reversible, and even on your own terms. You may one day face an ER visit to get it removed, but I assure you you'll be fine the next day, unless the hospital staff know who you are. In which case, I'd recommend going out of town a bit and trying a new hospital. So are you going to do it? I won't push you one way or another, but I did give you a reasonable roadmap of what is to come should the "worst" happen. Good luck.

I've made 10+ stents over the years and I've been trying to get back at it. Last weekend I tried a modified catheter stent but the screw protector I was using was too irritating in my urethra. That and I used fishing line as the retrieval line, which wasn't comfortable even when I was restricted in movement by a chastity cage. Today I decided to dig back to one of the first stents I made of @cathdiap's design. Instead of fishing line I'm using dental floss and I can say it's more comfortable than plastic fishing line. The result is below. The silicone tubing has yellowed over the years, but I cleaned with antibacterial soap, rinsed it really well, and then boiled it for 10 minutes. I shouldn't have any issues. I've had this stent in now for about an hour and I notice a couple of things. Pros I actually get to feel when I'm peeing now. Peeing through a catheter or a stent that doesn't sit high enough in the urethra prevents me from feeling when I'm peeing. The stent design is older, so it's not a solid piece of tubing at the bends, but two separate plastic bent tubes, which leads me to experience actual urge incontinence when I get up out of my chair, cough, or sneeze. It's a trippy feeling! The dental floss retrieval line is more comfortable than fishing line. I no longer have to worry about urinary control, yay! Cons This stent is tending to slip out of the urethra instead of in. I think it's because the bend that enters the bladder is probably a bit too long, because when the bladder decompresses it pushes the stent out. The bend that enters the bladder is probably not quite at the right angle. I think I need to make the angle a bit more acute (sharper bend). The stent may be a bit too long to properly sit inside my bladder/prostate area. My plan is to shorten the middle part by moving the bladder bend down a bit and then trim the silicone sticking out of it a bit so it's not so long. I'm going to try sleeping with this stent in place. I expect it to have migrated out of my urethra by the time I wake up, but we'll see. Maybe after a few more hours the surgical lube I used to get the stent inside and seated will have had time to dissipate, hopefully leaving friction between the silicone tubing and my urethra to keep the stent in place. The method I used to get the stent inside my urethra and seated was to get the stent into my urethra completely, but rather than using a sound or knitting needle to push the stent in further, I just used inward pressure from my fingers to inch the stent all the way up in there. It was harder to do than I imagine it would and I expect my urethra will need a couple of days to desensitize because of the process. In the future it should be easier to seat the stent due to having practiced seating it more than once every 5 years. I'll keep you all posted.

I have a FetLife account but do not pay for a membership. There are many sites online that you can upload the movie clip to and share, one of them being in a folder in Google Drive or OneDrive. You could just share the link to be read-only and voila, but maybe do it from an account or email that you don't mind being associated with your DD account.

Excellent write-up! So if I understand right, you have a solid piece of spray bottle tubing that you snake the silicone over?

I am not sure if I can confirm your observations but the brand does seem to go through varying levels of utility. When I first tried BetterDry about two years ago they were pretty good but about a year ago they seem less sturdy and prone to leaks more, at least from my experience.

Congratulations! Well done!

At the moment I'm buying about 2-4 cases per month with varying degrees of diaper effectiveness. Since the upheaval of not getting ConfiDry 24/7 anymore I've been experimenting with BetterDry and right now the Rearz Mega Inspire+ line of diapers, as well as other slimmer lines that I can maximize with going both #1 and #2.

That sounds to me like you're doing well at keeping your pelvic floor relaxed and unclenched. What your experiencing is a lot like how stress incontinence feels, but if you clenched at the end of your pee stream you probably wouldn't feel that anymore. Not to worry, it's part of the untraining program. Enjoy the experience and have fun! Welcome to the club.

A few updates for you all. I recently did some travel for work to St. Louis, MO for a conference. The conference was technically two days but I had planned travel all week. I literally started at about 10 am on Monday and got done with the whole trip at about 7:30 pm on Friday. As one who is untraining, I have to, of course, pack a bunch of diapers. This trip was easy for me because all I packed was a pack of XL Rearz Mega Inspire+ diapers. I ended up using one per day, on average. The trip to St. Louis was uneventful as I started from a local airport but the trip back saw me faced with a body scanner for airport security. My diaper was wet, but it wasn't wet enough to be flagged for further security checks, so that's a win. Although, TSA did confiscate my Diet Mountain Dew. Whatever. The trip at the hotel was somewhat uneventful as well. I did have to wash my clothes and diapering material along the way but it was ultimately no issue. At one point I did get locked out of my room due to a screw-up in the anti-intrusion device. A few days into my travel I did have one incident where I was extremely wet and I had to poo. I decided to lift up, mess, and just go outside for some fresh air while browsing tumblr and playing chess. On the way down the elevator I managed to nab not 1, not 2, but 3 extra people on the way down, all with a mess. I hid in the corner as long as I could and as far as I know no one knew, but rest assured I was sweating bullets. Leaving my used diapers in plastic bags for housekeeping was no issue either. I had housekeeping two times in my 5 day stay. I did have to walk through the hotel twice with used diapers to throw them away in the community bin, but I don't think anyone saw me. Aside from traveling, my 24/7 experience has been almost lackluster, save for one experience a few days ago. For some dumb reason, I decided to sleep without a diaper on and ended up actually wetting the bed because in my half-awake stupor I decided it was okay to pee "knowing I have a diaper on." Woops. I may not be wetting unconsciously at the moment but I am definitely wetting in a mental state where I am convinced I am diapered and that it's okay to let go. Dually noted. That reminds me, I probably should be wearing diapers at all times. Just saying. A few threads on DD have alluded to the idea that anal training with plugs and dildos, etc., may do more to enhance your control, so for the last month or two I've been abstaining from anal training. I don't know if I saw any improvement with regards to untraining but I felt like I was restricting an activity that I enjoy too much, so recently I started to anal train again. The caveat this time is I've finally come to a point where I have to accept my so-called incontinence for what it is. It's not what I'd call incontinence, but I am dependent on diapers to a degree that's a lot more than when I started. A common theme among us untrainers is that "we're not incontinent, yet, but our cruising range is a lot less," (paraphrasing of course). I can confirm that I can't go too long without needing to use the toilet, and that's thanks to my untraining efforts. I don't plan on stopping or regressing, but my expectations for progress were way over-estimated and I'm slowly coming to accept that I will untrain at the rate that I am able, and nothing more. If that means I'll never be truly diaper dependent, then so be it, but I'm going to keep trying. Also, recently my wife has made the toilet off limits. I've never hidden the fact that I often go #2 in the loo, but since my wife in enforcing the no toilet rule I had to get a solution to my messing situation without feeling like I'll be wasting premium diapers. So I bought the EGOSAN Maxi incontinence brief to be the diaper I do my messes in. All I can say is that they work for messes, but I've had some blowouts that have gotten into my plastic pants and they are no good beyond one good wetting. Oh well. Economically speaking, only in terms of wetting, good diapers are a better bang for your buck. I think next time I'll go back to Abena L4s. I'm making progress on making a new stent. I've made four of them recently but none of them have seated properly in my urethra so I'm still working on different designs. I may try the modified catheter design soon but this time with a long retrieval line. That's about it for now. I'll keep you all updated.

Does this need to be stickied at the top of the forum if the last update was over a year ago?

In lieu of trying to stay relaxed all the time, I am actually trying to just "let things happen" as they do, but we all know the cognitive dissonance regarding this. I have no choice but to notice and every time I do I'm reminded of the fact that I'm not incontinent. Granted, I'm trying to let this process work itself over time but I'm at just over the 3 year mark of active untraining and unfortunately I've got hardly anything to show for it at this point. Others (like @Enthusi) have been successful at this point but others like me have been unsuccessful.

Feel free to PM. No gay tryst here. Been following your journey for a while, so as I read this, I'm like, hell, why not? Hehe.

What was your training regimen with an indwelling catheter that made you incontinent? Can you describe the steps and details please?

I've encountered this before, but the few times my bladder has ached it was quite uncomfortable. The only way to relieve the ache (for me) was to hold a bit and not stay relaxed. I haven't felt this ache in many years though, so maybe it was a one-off temporary thing...

The best way I know of to overcome "shy bladder" (paruresis) is to use the "Breath Holding Technique" (linked). Give it a shot and let us know how it goes!

Yes, I'd call this progress. You are training your brain to just go at night when you need to. It's called progress! 😁 I agree with @oznl here.

Congrats! Happy to hear things are working out for you! Agreed.

Congratulations! Lucky!

I think the first step you need to really double down on, @Diaper Duck, is to always remain diapered. I've been actively untraining now for a bit over 3 years and I've made this mistake before. For me I was just "airing out" (I should have been sitting on a pee pad) but I needed to go and just went, only to find out I wet myself. It wasn't so much embarrassing but more of "I really should just be wearing diapers at all times..." As you continue to untrain and play with fire (i.e., go undiapered) you'll experience more of these events. Since you've thrown out your underwear, it's time to fully commit. You can do this bud.

@Enthusi, might I suggest you open up a Google Doc and make it publicly available for comment? You can keep the edit permissions, but I suggest obtaining more than just 3 people to help with this. I'd make this a community effort. I'd be willing to comment on said document and help.