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That's understandable. I think you can still write a guide on the focus points you've implemented, especially the psychological hacks, but a 200 page comprehensive guide on everything to do with untraining I think is more for mental (and, frankly, physical) stimulation for the reader than anything else. After all these years, I think it's really just as simple as listed above.

My TL;DR is that I still don't reliably sleep wet after about 4 years of untraining. I might be a lost cause.

This is literally the best guide on the Internet. You won't find anything better. Longer guides are just full of more words, but this is basically the short and sweet TL;DR, particularly point #4. I'd add to it this way: 5. Expect it to take many years.

$2000 USD? That's... incredible! The temptations this will likely queue up may be hard to combat. Keep us updated though!

The only thing I'd add to this is to be willing to accept an adamant visit to the doctor and potentially a urologist for an exam. So if you are comfortable going through these hoops, I'd consider this to be the safer plan. A slow build-up of "reasons" is a lot more believable than instantaneous incontinence that never goes away.

Ironically, there's no need to test how diaper dependent you are. You've stated you need them mentally, so that kind of wraps it up. Congrats on a full year and a fair bit of progress! In a few years time, you'll likely have joined the ranks of some of the Elite Masters we have here on this forum. 🙇‍♀️

This is very relatable to me, as I'm sure with others here. I think if you keep the mantra in mind and just continue to train to bed wet, there will come a time when you start to really realize that you are now a bedwetter. I think you're on the right track here. Congratulations for your progress thus far! There will still be some more mental gymnastics ahead, but I think you'll eventually get there.

@lackofname: Here are the dimensions that are currently working for me (most of the time). I have my stent in right now and I'd have to pull it out to be super accurate, but here's where I think I'm at: Rigid Top Length ~ 1 inch Silicone Top Length ~ 1.5 inches Rigid Mid Length ~ 3 inches Rigid Lower Length ~ 1 inch Silicone Lower Length ~ 1.5 inches I think if you start there and adjust where necessary, that should give you a good start to where you want to be.

I had never thought to think of the hardness or quality of a mattress to influence sleep wetting. That's interesting. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice I can give as I am in the process of trying to achieve natural sleep wetting with about a 5% success rate at this time. Still trying.

Hello, @kurido9, and welcome to the forum! Thanks for letting us know that English isn't your first language. Your post was hard to make sense of, but I think I have it now. The biggest takeaway I have from your post is, really, that we all are here and desiring incontinence for one reason or another. 99% of us were ABDL or AB or DL before we cemented our desires for incontinence. I think that came later after being able to rationalize some of our behavior as we all have found our behavior in the "not normal" range. I don't think it's genuine to pigeonhole our desires for incontinence on any set of factors, as they tend to be specific for us, and us alone. What you have outlined seem to be your speculations, but they won't really reflect another member's rationale to become diaper dependent. Working through Little feelings can be strange. I would just encourage that you don't put any pressure on yourself. Just learn and grow with it where possible and don't judge the lack of the rest.

Don't forget about @wetguy13579! Maybe he can chime in too?

I go through about 3 diapers per day. I can experience the flow/dribble stopping when my body isn't actively producing urine or when dehydrated, or if the stent is no longer seated properly.

I also took a look at "Understanding.Infantilism.org"'s posts here. BitterGrey's data seems to be dated from the early 90s. I remember the sentiments well, actually. Not very useful for today's standards, if you ask me. The people that BitterGrey interviewed for their thoughts on 24/7 usage provide scant reviews at best. I'm surprised you used these as minimums for your question here. Not saying that understanding.infantilism.org is useless, but it's definitely not up to date on modern views as you'd see here. Not a good base for comparison if you ask me. Helpful in the early 90s? Yes. Helpful today? No.

With regards to this section, there's a lot of negative reviews. Read with caution. I feel like these reviews were taken in the olden, olden days of this community and doesn't necessarily reflect the modern version of what 24/7 can be like for us today. This is back when all you had were Molicares and Abenas to supplement disposable diaper use. Back in the days of DPF so to speak. It seems to me to be much easier to achieve 24/7 status with what we have on the market today.

This, @Goerge, already is stress incontinence. You cough, so your system puts pressure (stress) on your pelvic floor, and you pee. You're already there!

Be careful with this one. Your lie, if you wish to go that route, will need to be 100% consistent. Once you go down that road, there's no going back, so make sure it's what you really want. I don't recommend lying to your wife, but if you must do that, make sure your story is 100% solid and without any leaks.

I'm not a medical professional, so I don't really know how infants void, but to my untrained brain with a series of anecdotal evidence at large, I suspect that infants aren't technically incontinent. I think it has more to do with not being aware of what to do with the sensations that they have, so infants naturally just reflex void when they need to. They don't think about it, they just do it. Over time, especially during potty training, is when they start associating the sensations to their social need to hold it and find a toilet. I suppose it has more to do with the association that babies wear diapers. And since the ABDL community is mixed with ABs and DLs, there's a lot of fantasy involved in doing things the way babies do. I think it has a lot more to do with imagined fantasy then living in reality. For example, there's a huge emphasis by people (especially newcomers to this subforum) for shrinking one's bladder to become incontinent. If people actually did some critical thinking and a bit of research, they would find that one's bladder doesn't easily shrink, and to get to a point where one's bladder has shrunk to the size of a walnut requires years of complete bladder disuse. We're not doing a good job at communicating the process and goal of untraining, which is to get to the point where you're basically hypnotized from thinking about potty issues, and to reflexively void into our diapers as if it hadn't happened at all. That's not to say that changes to the bladder and urinary system don't happen -- because they do (over time) -- but there seems to be an overemphasis on untraining approaches that are impractical and don't work as far as the end-goal is concerned. The only instant incontinence hacks that I know of that works rather well are catheters and stents, both of which carry with it risks that should be avoided by most people. I think we have too much of an emphasis for the instant gratification of things than working long and hard at achieving our goals. Just my 2 cents.

To a degree, I suppose I've lost some continence, but not quite enough for me to be happy with it. I mostly experience post-void dribble now, a few small leaks here and there when I'm not wearing, and a diminished cruise range between needing to go #1. I haven't wet in a half hour, my bladder becomes painfully aware that it needs to void. I still don't void easily nor with unconscious thought, to my chagrin. Usually I have to do some mental and physical gymnastics to get the flow going, even after 4 years of untraining. I've tried going a number of days without wearing diapers and frankly it's kind of a pain in the ass to do so. It's now easier for me to wear diapers and do my gymnastics then to have to struggle to maintain resistance to going to the toilet. I could probably regain what little continence I've lost, but probably not without a lot of work and anxiety. I'm nowhere near the "point of no return" but I think it'd be a huge hassle to try going back to 100% toilet usage.

Please believe me when I say that you don't have to justify this desire in any way, at least with us. We have all been in the same boat. Like you, we have repressed many of our desires for far too long and here, now, we are working towards finding the perfect solutions. Welcome to the club! We have good people here who understand your situation.

Agreed. I had the same problem. I find that using boiling water and shaping the stent to be ineffective at maintaining its shape, especially when I go to clean it with boiling water. I use a heat gun and that seems to work well for me.

I saw this post from someone's profile. I just had to enter the fray and say, Who Doesn't Masturbate in Diapers?

Please keep us updated if you decide to take the plunge!

A few notes. It looks like your ends are sharp at their edges. You should fold the tips inwards on themselves to round out the tips. Take a look at @Spargano's albums for what your rounded tips should look like. You had bleeding because you were cutting into the tissue. The urethra is very sensitive and bleeds very easily. There is a ton of blood flow down there. The stuff that looks like snot are the seminal juices from your prostate. You massaged the prostate from the inside so the prostate released fluids to lubricate the area and help fight infection. If you used sterile lubricant to insert your stent, it was likely blocked by the lubricant, so sometimes it takes a bit to get the flow going. The arm that goes into your bladder looks really long. You probably only want about 1-1.5 inches in length for that arm. You peppered the hell out of that arm with holes so you decreased the rigidness of the silicone and it probably folded within your bladder, likely causing the blockage. You want a fairly rigid piece in there with one hole on the top of the arm to allow urine flow from another opening. The more holes you put, the more likely you are to cut/irritate your urethra and bladder. I see more sharp edges near the midsection bends of your stent, likely causing even more irritation and bleeding. As a rule of thumb, after you've cleaned your stent, you can run the stent along your lips and tongue to tell if an area of the stent is too sharp. If it's sharp for your lips or tongue, it's definitely too sharp for your urethra. Hope that helps. Take a look at @cathdiap's albums and his descriptions, he outlines very well on how to make a stent properly to his design. The liquid/urine stays in the stent due to the surface tension of the liquid. No amount of smoothness will fix that unless you use a hydrophobic coating on your inner tube. You'll need to increase the inner diameter of the stent to overcome the surface tension, and I'm fairly certain you don't want to go that big. All in all, I don't think it's an issue.

One option is to use a chastity cage that is longer than your penis. You'll always have an opening to urinate into and regardless of how full your diaper is, it'll still get absorbed.

Looking at the scale of your picture here, your stent would be too short for me. The inner, flat part of my stent is about 3 inches, and then it curves. You could also try sharpening the angle of the distal end and making it slightly longer. I think the interior end looks pretty close to being correct. It's about the right length and angle for me. It might also help if you have a rigid piece of tubing. A soft center allows you to squeeze it shut and the interior arm may be pushed into an angle such that the short ends in the middle poke into your prostate, causing some discomfort. I'd make your plastic pieces a little longer in the middle to prevent that at least.