Hannah YMS

Welcome, @Lorenzo! Your English is pretty good, I understood all of it. Wearing nappies 24/7 is an absolutely valid way of managing your toileting needs. Many of us have given up the toilet in lieu of nappies precisely because it makes our lives easier, often in more than one way. And that's only talking about comfort and security. Wearing nappies 24/7 is also great for kink, whatever style yours may be. Again,welcome to the forum. We have a great bunch of people here to share our stories and journeys and we would love to hear more about what you have to say!

I was ABDL before I knew of DD, and given my natural curiosity for getting into kink and exploring it, I'm sure I would have ended up in similar fashion. But having a central community for the untraining journey, or incontinence desires in general, has been priceless. I would not be as far along the journey without a central forum such as this one. Thanks to you all.

Or just skip the last step and leave it open?

Out of curiosity, can you link us those stainless steel "bulbs"/ends or tell us what sort of part they are so we can find them? I like your design a lot and I think it could work for me. Thanks!

Yes, where you train your bum to take larger and larger plugs/dildos/safe things. It's important to note that if one takes their time and "plays right", incontinence should never really happen; it's when you go big and hard (without permanent damage) is when things get a little loose.

It'll go as far as you take it. Sounds like you're well on your way. If you resign to wearing 24/7 anyway, it won't even matter, as it happens to be for you. It's just normalized at this point for you and anyone one else you care to enlighten about your situation. I stay the course anyway, as I suspect you are and everyone else on this forum is. It's just a matter of fact at this point. @spark, you post frequently on this forum... why aren't you 24/7 around everyone and everything at this point? Just curious.

After going 24/7 for 2 years and finding joy in the monotony, I find the blur to be natural at this point. I don't know at this point where continence ends and incontinence begins. Seems to be the case for most? Why would you try to get 100% out of your diaper? ? Unless you mean 100% capacity out of it... My daughter is 14. It was impossible for me to hide the fact that I wear diapers. And she's okay with it. Not sure how much she "gets it" or how much she understands, but she's cool with it nonetheless. I make no attempt to hide the fact. In my opinion, just get it over with at an opportune time. Kids are a lot more flexible than we think. If it's normal at an early age then it'll be normal at a later age. The longer you wait the more confusing for them it'll be. OF COURSE you don't you have to say it's for a fetish or for untraining. A simple explanation will suffice and from then on it'll be normalised. For what it's worth, my daughter finds diapers okay on me, but not on her (as her mother tried buying Always pullups for her periods...) In any case, she understands it's just a thing I do, but she doesn't know the "whys" behind it. Better left that way, I think.

Have you tried anal training and/or tunnel plugs? That combined with laxatives can give the desired effect. Temporarily of course. A good hard anal training session can leave you bowel incontinent for a few days, in my experience.

Awesome!

I have contemplated on starting a wiki on a domain addressing the various techniques to untrain, would you be willing to add your insights on a public forum such as a wiki?

Some of my thoughts on untraining and incontinence... The so-called "12 month program", in my opinion, sets most of us up for expectations that, anecdotally, seem unrealistic. I've seen more people struggle to untrain after 1, 2, 3 or more years without "success" (subjective in this case). I'm approaching 2 years and the best I've got is a bladder that doesn't release when I tell it to and post-void dribble. Back in the early days of untraining I bladder was more hyperactive, but much less so these days. At night I still never wet but I am getting better at being half-asleep and going while on my back or my stomach. Incontinence, for me, feels like a pipe dream--something I can only dream of. And it's frustrating. I'd swallow that pill in a heartbeat if I could. And in lieu of being a total downer, I am happy that some of us on this forum achieve their goals. It gives me confidence that someday I might achieve mine. Edit: my profile says that I'm incontinent, but that was my first step towards untraining. "Identifying" as incontinence to make my wishes manifest. So far, no bueno.

I chose option three. I've been trying to untrain for a while now and I'm not seeing much progress. I wouldn't mind getting it over with, y'know?

Maybe I'm getting stuck because I'm not sure how well I understand it. In this case, are you talking about the need to be incontinent or the journey itself? Either way, I understand my need to be incontinent more than I understand the journey, which isn't very much anyway. I've been 24/7 for almost 2 years now and trying to untrain, but I feel like I'm not making one iota of progress, with the exception of being more comfortably peeing while laying in bed either on my stomach or my back.

We absolutely understand what you're saying. We're here for you.

I'm pretty much with you there, @DLJeff52, but I'm still trying to improve #1. I am quite a literal person and it's hard for me to see myself as incontinent. Because if I don't have legit accidents, that mental block is there and is hard to uproot.

Yes, I have this experience. Before untraining, I usually went #2 about every time I went to the loo. After starting to untrain, my movements turned into 1 per day, usually in the morning. After almost 2 years of untraining, I'm going 2 times per day regularly, sometimes more. I'm not sure why the difference in habits...

Absolutely agree, it's the same for me too! I also noticed there's lots of love going around. As of this post, every post has been liked! So good to see good support going around.

I just push on through the misery. On really hot days it can be a literal pain in the ass. I just can't not wear a diaper, you know? As for diaper rash cream, I really like Boudreaux's Butt Paste.

Congratulations! Any regrets?

I'm rooting for you! The stent was a modified catheter. I put in the catheter, then cut the length down, plugged the balloon water, capped it with a screw cap and... make the retrieval line way too short. It migrated during the night into my bladder. Spent 10 hours at the ER the next day. The urologist went in with a cystoscope and popped he balloon and pulled it out. They put me under general anesthesia in case I needed surgery to remove the stent. Thankfully, no surgery, just a $16,000 hospital bill. Doh!

Same, but for me it's bipolar disorder, so when I get hypomanic, I really go for it to my detriment. Ended up in the ER once due to lost stent because of it. Yeah.. good times ^^; But I'm still in the state of untraining. I still have full control despite being 24/7 for nearly 2 years and actively untraining. Major dysphoria still due to not being incontinent. Interesting for me to reply to this thread, because if I ever successfully untrained, you can bet I'll never attempt to retrain. @Eido, since you've lost nearly all bowel control and since it doesn't appear to be fixable any time soon, why don't you untrain your bladder again? Is it just too much work and instead you'll just let nature take its course instead?

Yesssss! Absolutely the same for me. It's soooo annoying. I thought I was supposed to lose bladder control, not lose the ability to leak on command. I seem to retain urine until I get myself into a state of zen meditation before the flow happens. As a result, I very rarely pee laying down. I just can't make myself go. I need to put my bladder in a position where gravity can take over, then I can pee more easily. I don't understand this aspect of untraining, as it seems to be counter to what we're trying to achieve...

I don't blame you. Shoving anything up "there" should be done with preparedness and caution. I've always had a fascination with catheters so I just tried it one day (many years ago). They are a lot of fun and you feel things you never thought you'd feel. For first time users, the worst part about it (for me) was the intense bladder spasms from the catheter irritating the lining of the bladder. A common mistake that newbies make is not using enough lube. If you use near sterile, clean, technique with lots of lube, inserting the catheter shouldn't hurt at all. Regarding the qualified, highly-paid, individual and confessing that I lost a stent in my bladder: it was easily my most embarrassing day of my life. I am pretty sure I became talk of the ER for a few days. I'm just glad I didn't need surgery. They were able to get it out no problem. Open catheters vs stents. An open catheter is a seated indwelling catheter who's urine drainage tube is not protected from outside bacteria. Usually you connect a leg bag to the catheter and that maintains a closed system. The open catheter in this case hasn't been modified, it's just draining freely into your diaper. A stent on the other hand is like a catheter, but much shorter, and it isn't anchored by a balloon. Unless your stent is made very well, it's likely to slide further inside or slip out due to activity. The main purpose of the stent is to open up "the valve" from the bladder neck until past the external sphincter. Interestingly, catheters and stents can be quite arousing because of the stimulation you get from the catheter or stent over the prostate (for male bodied individuals). I've had my most painful orgasm ever with a catheter, and I've had some amazing orgasms with a catheter. The longer you use a catheter, the tougher your urethra and less sensitive it becomes. (In other words, don't masturbate with a catheter until you've worn a catheter a few times as it'll hurt like hell, but once you're used to it, go to town!) "Quick caths" may be referring to intermittent catheters. The difference between an intermittent cath and a Foley cath is the intermittent cath doesn't have a retention balloon. You slip it in, void, pull it out, throw away. Foleys stay in for many days at a time. The intermittent catheter draining openly in a diaper has the problem of slipping out super easily, making it a pain in the toosh. A correctly made stent will have redundant retrieval lines and/or methods. If it gets stuck, you're screwed, unless you can get it unstuck. Otherwise, yes, a fun filled day at the ER is in store. The stent I lost in my bladder? A very small retrieval line that slipped inside. The placement of the stent is done by feel. Usually you put it in the tube, and work it down the shaft with your fingers. When it passes over the external sphincter and prostate, you'll know it, and when you feel it slip in, you know you don't need go any farther. Other methods use a dull knitting needle, of sorts, to push the stent up the tube. Crochet hooks can be used as retrieval hooks provided there are loops to hook into on the stent. It's really all about the design. If you are more than curious about playing with catheters or stents, a good first introduction to shoving anything up the tube is by sounding. Here's a link to some Rosebud sounds. Here's a link to a Van Buren sound. Proper sounding requires lots of sterile lube and a bit of imagination. It's not uncommon to try to massage the prostate with a sound. The chances of losing a sound in your bladder are somewhere near zero, lol. Sorry for the long reply! Let me know if you decide to experiment? I can give some general advice if needed through PM.

Well said!

I suppose my cut-off here would be when was the first time you noticed a consistent inability to maintain control? Extrapolate backwards if necessary. Wow, 9 years though! I'd expect someone like you to untrain rather quickly after 9 years of 24/7. I'm taking internal note of your 3 year mark, however. This makes me feel a bit better. I couldn't have expressed it better myself, thank you. After going cold turkey, did you still have nighttime accidents? I'm happy you were able to retrain long enough for your gender confirmation surgery. Well done on your progress so far (I've been following your journey for a while now)! Fascinating! Do you feel more validated after legitimately having worse continence due to surgery? Maybe the post void dribble contributed to this? Regarding post void dribble, from my experience it has a lot to do with being habitually relaxed. If I use the toilet for whatever reason and I urinate, I never clench. No matter how much I "wiggle" out afterward, I'll stand up, pull my pants back up, and drip a non-trivial amount of urine into my pants. Uncomfortable? A little. Unexpected? Yes, but maybe not anymore. Validating? Absolutely. I'm also vague on where on the incontinence scale post void dribble puts someone, if one is on the scale at all. My knee jerk reaction to this is: everything you've done to get this far has led up to this point! Your data point is as valid as anyone's, just maybe with a little more context. The conclusion of your journey interests not only me, but most of the regular posters on this forum (and probably more). You're good. I'm currently at the 1.5 year mark myself and opposite to you, I find that initiating urination is becoming increasingly difficult, even when I feel urgent. Still, I reach the same conclusion as you: I was no less continent than before I had started. I can also echo the rest of your statement.