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The fact IS that there are lots of adults out in public who are wearing diapers for any number of reasons. It's also a fact, that Angela will attest to, I'm sure, is that unless someone is determined to make sure others KNOW that they are wearing diapers, i.e., an obvious diaper bulge, or diapers/plastic pants showing, the products of a multi-BILLION dollar industry can be and ARE worn discreetly day in and day out. I can tell you, as well, that even the truly incontinent, in hospitals and nursing homes, are diapered for sanitary reasons, and not a second thought is given by others AND staff, NOR is the fact that someone there MAY be or HAS TO be in diapers means little. Diapers are, really, absorbent underwear, and that's IT. What a person makes of it, i.e., for the DL or AB, and how it affects them, i.e., seeing another adult, out in public, obviously diapered, being stimulating is OUR thing. For the "vanilla", the uninformed regarding diaper fetishism, adults who are or must be in diapers can be pathetic or a reason for sympathy and empathy. After all, diapers are for babies, right? : ) Sorry, Greenleaf, you posted something that is a continual thread throughout our "world". Sit back, get diapered, ENJOY! Enjoy being WHO you are and HOW you are. You'll live longer, feel tremendously free and enjoy a great deal of happiness!

There seems to be something cathartic, at least in our own minds, with telling someone else - or EVERYBODY else - about our diaper leanings. This goes for ABs as well as DLS. Our goal, of course, is ACCEPTANCE, which, when we have it, gives us a freedom to further pursue our desires and pleasures. That said, I also agree with Sarah. What would you do if you found out that what you foisted upon your children, wittingly or unwittingly, created a similar or other fetishism in THEM that they might NOT have ever developed? I thought I was being very discreet until I heard that my kindergartener had announced in class that "his daddy wore diapers". Of course, it was passed over, but I DID hear what the child, innocently, had related in class! If you would not reveal the "sordid" details of your love-life behind closed bedroom doors - and a parent SHOULDN'T, that's NOT how children learn about their own sexuality - there is no reason to expose your children to your "kink" or "different leanings". Maybe you won't ruin them forever, but you certainly will NOT assist in positive mental well-being, health and growth. And, you will always leave questions in your children's minds. Do you REALLY want THAT, even to make yourself feel more "normal" and "free" with your leanings? And, yes, if it boils down to it, if it comes up in a situation with Child & Family Services, you will lose your children FIRST, and then the situation will get sorted out LATER, whether it's "innocent", as it may be, or NOT. Think about THAT.

You are WAY too willing, B! LOL

I would be willing to host a gathering or party at my house, BBQ type thing, evening of diapers and comraderie - NOT an AB thing or party with games - but you would HAVE to come diapered, and take care of your OWN diaper needs - but you could stay the night if you needed to. I would need at least 6 people to commit to this, at least THREE DLs, your real name and phone number, and we'll set a date. Less than that, forget it. Just making the offer...W. MI...North of Muskegon/Grand Haven, west of Grand Rapids.

I'm thinking that Belleau is right. For the DL that just likes being in diapers, being in them, LONG after it's fun - like WITH the diaper leaking or with diaper rash beginning with itching and pain/discomfort starting - and one's SO staying in control regardless of the discomfort, humilation or odor, with no relief in sight, that WOULD be punishment, especially if the SO chose to "introduce" the condition to others - contrary to the discretion a DL might exercise around others or out in public. And, were additional diapers layered over the original diaper(s), the bulk would simply increase AND the discomfort would not be relieved in any way. The "considerate" SO might only assure humilative exposure in small increments, acting totally oblivious when it DID happen. For the DL only wears, they would be need to be made to wet. For the DL that only wets, they would be need to be forced to soil. Addition of a pair of locking plastic pants and if they could be found, locking diaper pins - cloth diapers, especially if they only are into disposables - would most likely add to the discomfort. Giving off obvious poopy diaper odor, among others out in public, drawing stares and disdain might do the trick. For the AB, yes, they like to have a "baby" scene. But, what about being strapped to the rider's seat in the car, at a busy mall, in a ridiculous looking "bonnet", with a pacifier securely in place, with a bottle securely taped to one hand, and the other hand securely confined within a restraint mitten, dressed only in thick thick diapers, and a big bib, with very full and smelly poopy diapers, in a spot where people ARE going to witness the spectacle or be drawn to check it out - especially if it might be where they might be recognized - maybe at a mall in an adult stroller - might be for be perfect. I'm sure I'll think of more, but I'm looking for input...

While B4NS plastic pants are ultra-soft and MAY be prone to ripping - diaper pins will do it, unfortunately - they are the finest and most ample cut, for the price - which is a premium price for a premium product, especially with ENCLOSED elastics - and their plastic pants are the pride of my collection of plastic pants, and worn the most. They have stood up to repeated wear and tough use. B4NS plastic pants RULE!

You know, if everybody will do their OWN thing in regard to what they feel comfortable with being "green" and giving the environment a break, we'll all be fine. We want to follow the alarmists and feel like we simply cannot handle what we need to handle. Fact IS that when it's time, and the technology is there, we'll follow it! So, you believe you can do your own thing with disposables? Go for it. Me, I will revel in cloth diapers and plastic pants. I prefer e'm, anyway....The fricking "Al Gore Syndrome" makes me ill. So many believe what SOUNDS reasonable, but is NOT backed by SOUND science. If it makes you feel good, go for it. USE YOUR HEAD. YOU ARE INTELLIGENT. THEN, make your decisions. For me, I'm going to pee and poop into my cloth diapers, which I repair, when needed, on my own sewing machine, and am in the process of learning how to sew my own perfect cloth diapers. Eventually, we will have a way to properly process human feces, to be recycled as fertilizer of some kind - besides the current "Milorganite" on the market -and further "recycle" what WE interally "process". Cloth diapers rule. We ARE on our way to harmony with the "vanilla" world"!

I thunk about how I "did the deed" the first time I pushed a load into my make-shift diaper. I sat on the toilet. I sat over the seat, with my diapers on, and pretended I was having a "regular" BM, but made sure it was at time when I NEEDED to get the stuff out of me. It was like, OMG, I've loaded my diaper. NOW what? LOL Well, DUH, idiot, deal with it and get cleaned up! LOL Of course, it was at a tender age, and I didn't have plastic pants to let me revel in what I'd done. But, that time, would NOT be the last time, and only paved the way for a life of comfort as a DL who fully uses his diapers in private and in public. I suppose, were I a true incon, I'd be right at home!Fact is, I prefer having a choice. I LOVE teasing Casino Harpies with my rounded diapered butt, wondering what MY thing is! LOL

Wisdom well beyond your years, WDCA!

I don't know if diapers are strengthening the bond between my wife and me, but I have full acceptance and encouragement by her to "do my thing", and she HAS joined me and wet when in diapers. It is a unique bond since I have this quirk of being and enjoying being a DL and "part of me" as she notes. And, diaper sex, well, "Bang, zoom, to the moon, Alice!" (sorry, I'm old, and different context with a Jackie Gleason "Honeymooners" TV comedy show...) The main thing is how the situation is presented. If not pushed, if not made a big deal of, sometimes we can find far more acceptance - to the point of encouragement AND participation - than we expect!

It's too bad you aren't in a situation where you can utilize cloth diapers. They ARE environmentally friendly, CAN be handled quickly if need be - washed out, dried on a shower bar and kept for a while before laundering, depending upon how much you're in diapers - AND, there simply is no comparison to the feel and absorptive qualities they provide as compared to disposables. It is true, too, that adult disposable diapers comprise a small percentage of the refuse stream, however, they ARE larger in size, so a single adult diaper takes up the space of several infant diapers. Cloth rules, but disposables have their place. I'd be more concerned over guilt over being an AB or DL as opposed to the garbage you generate! LOL I EMPOWER you to be okay with using what you do, when you do! MY two cents...

Angela is one fabulous person, not just a woman, not just an AB, not just an AB female. I was priviledged to correspond with Angela some years ago, and was jealous of her relationship with Daddy Don. Her movies will show that she is very comfortable with who she is and how she is, and willing to be seen by the world, with her very special side. And, it's interesting. She is a professional person, and the fact that she was a public figure while involved in an "underground society", as it were, has not caused her public downfall, humiliation or embarassment. Angela is an example to all of us, of how we all can integrate into the rest of society while harboring a side of us that others don't know about nor may they ever consider anything like we enjoy or think about it. We all could learn a lot from this very well-rounded and self-confident human being, while bearing whatever crosses SHE bears in HER life! Buy the videos. Enjoy the videos. They are worth purchasing!

You know, it doesn't matter if you know, or want to know, or if you'd like things to be different. I mean, this is not 1620, where the Pilgrims showed up on the US shores for the sake of "religious freedom". Talk about hung up! OMG. Look it up. See what "bundling" and "a bundling board" are and mean... I love women. I love seeing a sexy, attractive woman. And, seeing guys, even a handsome hunky guy, does not give me a "stirring down below". But, you know what one of my favorite fantasies is, and DOES make my "peter" stir? Being a sexual "plaything" to a couple, a diaper sex slave, used and abused by BOTH sexes. MY trip. MY thing. Something I've come to grips with, have embraced, will never act out, but continue to allow it to turn me on. Does it make me worry I'm gay? Heck no! I mean, I know what I enjoy, and know I can please a guy just as much as he could give ME pleasure, as well as pleasing a woman and having her please me. I mean, I could kick my own ass because I'm a DL, FGS. Not gonna' happen! Humans are sexual creatures, and that, beyond simple procreation, is a gift from God. Giving us pleasure out of sex and sexual relations was on purpose. There's a reason behind it. Yes, it talks in the OLD TESTAMENT of the Bible that same sex relations is "an abomination", but if my take on it is even in the ballpark, it's more in the realm of a "marriage" (read that, gay marriage...) as opposed to sexual relations between "consenting adults". I have to believe that a rational God also knows that, as opposed to "fornication" - sex between people outside of marriage - as written in the Bible, HE knows we are sinful humans, and will couple outside of marriage, in our quest to MAKE a committment to a single special someone. We have to be intelligent. We have to NOT be like a "bull in a china shop" and barge into our sexuality "willy nilly". WE are WE. WE are US. Others may have another view or slant on things. All people have to do is move slowly, carefully and intelligently. Many in the AB/DL world are so wrapped up in self-scorn and worry over being different that they don't approach THAT with intelligence and patiently. Add in the gay, bi or anything else factors, you compound the difficulty of accepting self, beyond dealing with leanings on the table, that WE perceive as being wrong, crazy or even illegal, if not immoral. We, ourselves, are most hard ON ourselves! You get to be MY age, at 54, and want to live out your days comfortably and acceptant of self and leanings, you learn how to deal with sexuality, etal., and go from there. We CAN live a life forever in a box, in a closet, in secret, and be stressed, uptight and "on the edge", but, trust me, it's NOT worth it OR healthy! Best advice. Don't worry about it. Get to know YOU, who you are, how you are, how you currently deal with others and how you can best deal with others, and want to. Life isn't easy as it is. Taking a close look and learning what it takes to deal within the realm of "expectations" isn't as hard as many would have us think it is...

SEE, it's not THAT easy to define! I understand the term and the idea of "diaper punishment". And, for someone who is not into diapers in any way or maybe had never even thought about anything like that, then, being forced into and kept in diapers, being made to use them without any way to NOT endure using them, then it WOULD be a "punishment". And, that's my point, exactly, regarding ABs and DLs. Being put into diapers, kept in them, forced to use them, for the AB or DL, regardless of the degree they are into their "scene", would not, in fact, be a "punishment". They would find some degree of enjoyment or pleasure from being diapered or in them. So, what would you envision to BE a PUNISHMENT for and AB or DL? NOT being allowed to BE in diapers? Etc.? Come on, Folks. Think. Challenge YOUR mind. See what you think. Then, share it! Thanks!

So, my favorite fantasy - and I was willing to give up a year of my life, sometime back, to just disappear, drop from the "radar" of life and live this out - would be or would have been, to be a diapered sex slave, kept as a pet by a couple, for whatever they wanted. Not only would I have been kept diapered 24/7, and probably be known, locally, out in public (some other place in the country where I wasn't from or known...) as "that guy who wears diapers", with the bulk visible, when accompanying my "couple" or running errands as instructed, or taken out into the public to be shown off or humiliated. Since I have bi-tendencies and am/was bi-curious, I would most likely be/have been kept just in diapers, a t-shirt and sox around the couple's house, shown off to whomever came to the house - guests, delivery-people, etc. - and for the couple and their friends, used sexually, as a receptacle, as it were, by males and females, the way they wanted to use me. Anything else, restraints, locking cribs, etc., whatever would be or would have been up to the couple and their preferences. I'm not sure - and in this instance, I would want or would have wanted to have some sort of agreement/contract/release-opt out form signed, to protect me - from things getting too extreme, out of hand or beyond what I am/waa willing to have to endure; my safety/well-being, especially healthwise, in this day of herpes/hepatitis/AIDS would be/would have been foremost, to most fulfill me or the couple "employing" me. What all would YOU be willing to do? How far would YOU go to give yourself up or over to someone else to be their diaper slave, perhaps a sex slave, their diaper pet, their plaything, and give up control of YOUR life to someone else? Is the idea stimulating enough - might you even be able to do it? - to consider something like this, for more than a few hour "session", a weekend, a couple of weeks, or longer?

If ABs and DLs LIKE diapers, and to BE in diapers, and their favorite punishment fantasies revolve around being punished for whatever reason by being put INTO diapers, HOW is that "punishment"? : ) Thus, for ABs and DLs, what would really BE punishment for ABs and DLs? Being forced to NOT be able to BE in diapers? To publicly wet and mess WITHOUT being in diapers? If bondage and discipline is a part of their fantasies, would that mean besides not ALLOWING them to BE in diapers, refusing to restrain them OR discipline them? Bottom line, for the AB or DL, what IS the CONverse of "diaper punishment"? Think about THAT one! LOL

I forgot to add in my last reply, that I never said there is anything stopping anyone from utilizing a "second line of defense". Again, most of the Pampers generation never used or GOT used to the sight, the smell, and the sound, let alone the leak-proofing of Playtex real latex baby pants(disappeared in the early 1950's) OR those wonderful Gerber vinyl baby pants, though it is incredible how many types, styles and brands ARE currently on the market for adults! YAY! For me, even with "posies", plastic pants - besides the stimulative value for me, sight, sound, feel, etc. - are mandatory, and have prevented me from an embarassing leak into outside adult clothing, out in public, any number of times. Another two cents, and humble opinon, based upon experience...

Your assmption is incorrect, Ashes. I have used, fully, Abena Abriform X-Plus, and Molicare, which are my favorite "posie", as you call them. I have no desire to try Bambinos as I hear they are overrated for the cost. I have tried and used a wide variety of disposables from the USA AND Europe. My comment came from practical use AND a long period of experience. I have even gone to the extreme of adding a cloth baby diaper as a liner, to better contain and centralize a BM, as well as extend the absorption capacity of disposables, which in any number of adult dispoaables from the USA, can be dreadful. It all boils down to personal preference. I simply said that many, raised on disposable diapers - the Pamper generations - truly missed something. And, based on my experience - and filling my pants is a favorite joy - cloth diapers make a better "system", along with plastic pants, for practial soiling, especially out in public. My two cents, my humble opinion...

"They" say that boys tend to be less easy to potty train, especially with the BM thing, than girls. Maybe it's location of pertinent "equipment", or just normal attitude toward "losing something" from inside you. I knew, once I first wet my make-shift diaper, around age 12, AFTER I had a few conscious orgasms in that soft, stimulating, erotic cloth pinned onto me - wonder WHY this whole DL world has sexual over AND undertones for me? LOL - I had to wet, to experience what being in diapers and using them - as a "big boy" felt like. After I found I like THAT, the next step was to see what it felt like to load my diaper, as I figured, even MORE babyish. There was a lot of tension and trepidation leading to that, but once I did it - I won't go into details - I was hooked. And, there are ways - with bulk-forming laxatives, oatmeal, Nullo tablets, inserted bananas - to even enjoy pushing out a load discreetly out in public, with no one but you knowing. I kinda' feel bad for the younger generation because as they lean toward disposable diapers, they have no idea the security cloth diapers and plastic pants provide, especially when wanting to have a BM out in public and safely trapping it. Disposables do not offer the proper coverage, and without plastic pants, there is no second line of defense against "leaking" or poop creeping out of the leg bands! Also, cloth lets one wear and revel in their "gift to themself" a lot longer! LOL It's all about sensations, and for us males, it's tactile sensation of not only the diaper rubbing on and constantly stimulating genitalia as well as feeling the diaper wick up wetting and feeling the mess in the back and crotch after a healthy BM against the skin, and where it goes with continued movement while walking or upright, or pushing it around when sitting down. If you're gonna' wear 'em, use 'em, I always say. I you're going to wear diapers, not only should you experience wetting, and have to endure being in a wet diaper for a while, you should experience, at least once, acting babyish (even if you're a DL, 'cuz you're gonna' feel that way when you fill your diaper) and letting loose of control and your bowels, and biology take over. Once you've filled your pants, it brings a whole new set of feelings, emotions and thoughts as you now have to DEAL WITH IT! LOL And, it shouldn't be overwhelming. I mean, it's YOURS, and it came out of YOU. AND, it's totally organic! Get over any revulsion. It's not like you're being forced to re-ingest it!

And, YOU, Momma.Bear, are exactly right, as well, with one item I forgot to mention. John Gray, in all of his Mars/Venus books key on exactly what you mention. WHAT is in it for HER? Guys forget that all the time, or are ignorant about it. Conversely, for the female DL or AB, to be fulfilled, she must also fulfill her SO. As you say, compromise, give & take. THAT is what makes things, life and relationships work.

Am in the Muskegon area, 54, and staunch DL. Would love a gathering of some kind, with all discreetly diapered, and preferrably no AB stuff. Could be a rush, but wouldn't want to cut anyone out. It's fun to be in the presence of other "like-minded" (padded? LOL) people...

At 18, you are at a point in your life when you are supposed to be getting to know yourself, who you are, how you are and what you want to be. There is an extreme amount of pressure by society to rush individuals to "have everything all figured out" early in life. It doesn't always work that way and each individual matures and finds themselves at their own rate. Society is putting a lot of pressure on individuals regarding sexuality, sexual maturity and sexual experience(s). To me, at 54, this is unrealistic, to expect of younger people. Not only that, it really irritates me that so many things, especially in the realm of sexuality, are expected to be accepted, acceptable and out into the open. I am of the opinion that the gay world can function just fine without having to have marches and those wanting to flaunt their gayness. Just like straight male/female relationships can function without a public display of anything, the gay world can do a whole lot in the same vein. What's your hurry? If you like another girl, there's nothing wrong with having a female friend. If you like a guy, there's nothing wrong with having a male friend. If something is going to develop more fully, it will. If you don't try and push someone into something, if something is going to happen, it will gravitate toward that naturally, and when something happens, no one will be turned off or offended. Maybe I'm being simplistic, but I would assume that, over time, you will gravitate in the direction you are going to gravitate to. If you are open to yourself and true to yourself, you won't worry about what others think, and you will deal with what you deal with intelligently and with integrity. When it's time for you to have a more fully defined you, it will be time. Just let it happen. Don't make too much of the situation for now. More fully develop the rest of you. Oh, it's bad enough that you are AB or DL. You'll have THAT to deal with when it comes to relationships, already thinking you are a little warped and maybe "damaged goods". That issue needs to be addressed BEFORE a relationship is entered into. So, when you feel comfortable with who you are and how you are, you will be ready to BE who you are and how you are, and a lot of things will fall into place. Hey, it took me 54 years to get to where I am - on a third marriage, very comfortable with my life, having learned a lot, and very happy with who I am, how I am and WHERE I am. Nobody said anything will be easy, but if a person is willing to exercise some patience, things DO, with a little "open eye attitude", eventually fall into place. My two cents, here, to be sure...

Those that want to be in a relationship, generally are already a DL or AB, and KNOW this. So, by virtue of fear of THAT, and silence regarding it, if the situation is not a card placed onto the table BEFORE a relationship begins, the relationship begins and may grow harboring and hiding a secret that MAY or may NOT be accepted once the hand is played and cards turned up and shown. Thus, the partner may feel deception from the git-go, and feel fully within their rights to reject the revelation when it is made and/OR the partner! The greatest fallacy on this planet, though the AB/DL "secret" is more of a problem for those of us who HAVE such leanings and fetishisms, with our perception of how "wrong" our leanings are, and how "warped" we are for having them, is that it is best to wait to reveal our leanings until after a relationship has been established, and then HOPE that it will be accepted, if not embraced, encouraged and participated in. Baby Boys are the worst in this regard, most ever searching for a "Mommy", and most ever will, because of their unreal expectations and demands they would make of a woman who would accomodate them. The reality IS that our "thing" is pretty harmless, though odd, and something most adults simply would not be drawn to. But that's THEM, and too bad. For US, we find comfort, fulfillment, pleasure, sometimes perverse feeling of decadence, and for some, like me, a delight in being "different", especially since I'm not truly an incon. Put this issue on the table BEFORE you start a relationship. If it's accepted BEFOREHAND, you have nowhere to go but onward, upward and forward! If not, you can walk away BEFORE you'd have to worry about any repercussions. Coming from and "old guy" and 40 year DL, this comes from experience and acquired real-life wisdom. I would encourage you to read my blog entries in this regard. A person who "drops this in on" a partner or significant other "down the line" has no one to blame but themselves if the revelation is rejected. The relationship was NOT built upon total honesty from the first, and could be doomed to fail just because of THAT. For those that want to do that well into a marriage would do well to just keep quiet and keep the secret. Far too many have watched their marriage get strained, distant or disintegrate after not being able to stand staying silent anymore. They reveal at real risk...

For Jeff, if you can make the slotted covers for the 3" blanket pins, www.stockroom.com offers small locks, guaranteed keyed the same, if you buy two or more at one time. I envisioned some sort of a slotted aluminum cap, drilled in the middle for the lock to fit through, keeping the cover from coming off, which keeps the pin from being opened up. I'd work on this myself, but don't have the equipment and would be reluctant to approach some machine shop for a potentially limited interest product...

Some time ago, there was a guy selling locking diaper pins. They were a special cover for a 3" pin, that had small locks, that were keyed the same. Did anybody ever buy any of these - available maybe circa 2003-2004 from a private party - I lost the email addy when YaHell closed my account - or have you seen any anywhere? Besides ACD or Diaper Station - does anybody know what happened to Diapers-R-Us or Al's Healthcare? - or DPF (which seems to be in transition and out of supply business for now) - does anybody know where locking plastic pants can be bought, for a reasonable price?