tris

So, if he's not in control of his "life", and appears to be not only incon but heavily medicated --What does he do for income? I don't imagine your salary as a school administrator --principal, you said, right? -- Can sustain the both of you comfortably in the mountains of southern california.

ORLY?

Fine, $35, but $50/hr makes you a whore. ABsitting should be done only by those who desire to do so, not by those looking to turn a profit. IMO, it's not something to be done for money, it's an act of love. By placing a dollar value and calling it "services" demeans our whole idealism to a mere kink; something you do when missionary gets old. . . . And it's still considered extortion to charge for an HJ!

The charge should only be if you have the proper facility to care for an AB. ie- you've spent a significant sum on your residence to transform a space into an adult nursery. The more amenities you have, along with experience, should be commensurate with pay. If you happen to be showing up at their place, or they come to yours and all you're doing is typical babysitter kinda stuff, you get to charge the standard rate that caregivers charge -- 15/hr. Or do you really think you get to charge for babytalk?

^^ See? That's what I'm talking about! At first it's a little difficult --not everyone is used to wiping someone else's bottom. But in time, you learn to love and accept it, and it WILL bring you closer to your partner.

Naturopathy isn't to be f*cked with. I'm probably going to lose any semblance of legitimacy of I have on this board (which, I gather isn't a whole lot, if any) but I have personally witnessed a healing miracle. A good friend of mine, (a former guitarist for Sly and The Family Stone) was overweight, in terrible health, and developed severe complications from what I believe to be gout. Also over 50, and lived the GOOD 70's. He went thru various treatments for the bacteria in his blood which was causing circulatory issues, and as a result, a fair amount of tissue decay. He was faced with losing his leg if he lost any more tissue. I visited him over a period of 6 mos, about every couple of weeks to help him his family. (His wife was my HS english teacher) The background is long --Basically, he has a spiritual gift. I can't remember what the word is (imagine that!) for the ability to achieve a 'trancelike' state and purportedly 'speak' the tongue of god. (gibberish to the rest of us) Inter-something? Anyway, he also has premonitive dreams. (premonitions) The dreams told him to stop taking all his meds, stop all therapies and pray. And he did. I did, too. He continued seeing his doctor for the regular appointments, and good news continually came back. His flesh started to heal, and eventually he walked again! I bet NONE of that made sense or even sounded real. But I'm 'one of those people' that believe some of us have the ability to modify and repair our bodies using some kind of harnessed, spiritual, magnetic energy. (kinda like the 'smile and you'll feel happier' theory.) The herbs and minerals and such sold at natural health stores (NOT GNC) are for the most part, legit. They DO possess some demonstrated healing ability, with an appropriate level of scientific proof to back them up. Don't forget, the pharmacos push the doctors to prescribe --their circle of "care" can be VERY lucrative in a buyer's market. So don't think that the insurance companies or drug companies will allow the FDA to approve things they haven't engineered. Silver nitrate is a good example -- It's used in babies' eyes immediately after birth to ward off bacteria from our world. It's also coated on pens and various promo products to keep them permanently bacteria-free. It's become rather advanced today --a far cry from the quality and clarity it was only 10 years ago, even though it's been around for nearly 50. In all the years its been used on the births of millions of babies, consumer-grade variations have YET to see FDA approval.

So we all agree Myspace doesn't count. Ease up, Dolly, you're being a meanie! So most of you have dissected my posts and attempted to refute anything I've stated, but none of you answered the question at hand: How would you FEEL? What would you THINK if our lifestyle/kink became glamourous?

I can make a Tena Super leak within 2 hours while wearing at the bar or casino. The point of drinking the beers, though, is that not only is it the quantity you drink, it's just how much and how fast it comes out of you. That's usually half the fun! If I'm out with my friends who are in the know, they make sure I get changed in time. If I'm out with guys I don't know, I will hafta hit the car for a smokebreak and a private change session. Otherwise, the night is cut short. Double diapers do seem to keep the leaks at bay, at least for a little while, though, if I'm not positioned correctically, I can leak on the first wetting. And of course, my mommy is ALWAYS watching my back.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't prejudging, but I know now to tip-toe around you like I do for black people. (just kidding) I understand the fanaticism -- Some people really DO take things way too seriously. And that can lead to some problems with those who don't have similar motivations. It just seems that ABDLs tend to 'give up' or let the issue slide when it comes to a disagreement (at least more often by comparison) more than furries. How does religion enter the scene? I'm lost as to a logical explanation.

I think you missed the point. Anything goes on MySpace --that's why EVERYONE has it. Plus, it's the internet, it holds a completely different level of reality than REAL existence. Thus, my example of stardom. Once you're in the public eye, especially in the music or acting scene and you have an 'image', you hold TONS more clout than anyone or anything that appears on MySpace. We, as a community here are just short of producing a 'movement' and ala gay-pride-parade-style, we too, could have a mass coming-out event to raise awareness of the ABDL scene, but, we'd get brushed-off by the masses as whackos due to our present social status. Yes, in all our human advancements in technology and ideology, we still refuse to let go of idolatry. Social hierarchies will still exist, as long as there is a society that upholds them. And those at the top, will ALWAYS set the social standard for the group.

Wow. Wide range of responses so far! Valentine, there has to be a forerunner for EVERY movement in a society, be it social or economic or politcal. Simply by fate and motivation, SOMEONE gets to hold the title of groundbreaker to pave the way for others in a similar situation. Someone who recognized a need for societal evolution; to bring light to the dark corners in which some people HIDE in irrational FEAR of persecution by their fellow man. Our world today is enlightened enough to understand the courage it takes to tell the truth about yourself, and there will always be a significant portion of the populace to welcome you with open arms as a reward for doing so. The unfortunate part is that one must possess other more sociable traits, not the least of which is a personality. My generation, (15-30) seems VERY open-minded about the ABDL lifestyle. The common response I get when "coming out" is, "That's cool. And?" It takes a lot to surprise us. Considering that generation is on the verge of playing our nation's power roles, we have the inherent ability to set the tone for everyone else.

Has anyone been on ABY and seen the furry fighting going on? Its hilarious and kinda sad. I can't say I've seen too many furries on here, which, from the drama I've seen recently on ABY, I'm kinda glad. Its one of those things about large forums that I see happening all too often -- infighting. Members lose sight of the community aspect and while flaming another member, they bathe in hypocrisy. Glad DDi is still small in the forums! Discuss

. . Wearing diapers suddenly became glamorised? For instance, I myself have been writing and singing songs on demo tapes and in Karaoke bars, and at some point I hope to become a Pop-star of sorts. (don't we all!) I know most of us feel rather individual and unique not knowing many others (with the exception of the folks we meet here and on other fetish sites) who feel the same way we do about diapers. But what if someone does for ABDLs the same thing Ellen and Rosie did for being Homosexual in Hollywood? Supposing two years from now, my diapered ass is sitting in the chair next to Jay Leno, talking about my new celeb status and how everyone now knows that I wear diapers and why I wear them --what would many of you think? Would it make "coming out" easier for most of you, knowing you could point to someone who holds a bit more social clout and say, "I'm like So and So -- I do this." ? Would you feel betrayed? HAHA, you'll all regret flaming me here when I'm looking like a younger, cuter Tom Cruise on the cover of GQ in my diaper and a white button-up!

Its a hospital, people don't cross that line of laughing at you while you're at your weakest point. No one is there for fun and amusement except maybe the janitor. I've been diapered at the hospital before --that was the one time my mom didn't come see me at all. The nurse offered to help me change, much to the bewilderment of a classmate of mine who was on the other side of the curtain for a suicide attempt gone wrong. Its no big deal, except when she offered to get a male nurse to which my reply was, "Umm. . . That would make me really uncomfortable. Are you sure?"

Sure, but does that mean that the after massage diaper-change IS the happy ending? (Although, who gets arrested if you spurt during the process?)

I've worn everyday for nearly 2 years now, and that included office and warehouse jobs where the tucking in of a shirt was required, as well as slacks. Believe me, it was noticeable, but, not everyone is scopin' your ass like you think. And even if they were, it'd be the last thing on their mind to ask if you're wearing a diaper. First, I say switch from a crappy didy to a good one. I myself also prefer Tena. I don't wear the Super, though, because, like the saying goes, "Not everyone needs to drive a cadillac". Also, I prefer my diapers white. I only wear the Supers when I go out drinking, or to the casino, wherein I'm drinking and not wanting to change for awhile. (And I have made them leak before. Try two pitchers of beer and then sitting down. *shakes head* Your bottom WILL be wet.) I'll plug my favorite product one more time: www.tena.us and click Dealer locator to find the shop nearest you. The Tenas you get in walmart or retail stores are NOT the same as the ones you get from a pharmacy or medical supply store, btw. The bambinos are a diaper cutout strictly for ABDLs --babyish print, plastic cover. They asked what the babies wanted, and they produced! I see them more of a novelty for those who don't wear on a regular basis, or for those who are extra-showy when they wear (AB models, etc). If it's something you want to do, I suggest consistency; wearing a diaper one day, and then not the next, WILL get you noticed. And your fellow HRD employees will think you're a little strange. Just remember, you're the only one who actually KNOWS you're wearing a diaper. Everyone else will be too concerned with what THEY'RE doing to pay attention to your big bottom. Its not as big as you imagine, and if you're like every other whiteboy here, you don't have enough of a butt anyway --Your baggy pants will hide, just don't let 'em sag. I also recommend tidy-whiteys --They'll help keep the diaper from sagging when you wet. Boxerbriefs just don't cut it the same way. Be brave, you can do it!

The whole point of anyone wearing a diaper is to USE it for its intended purpose. Any girl who is willing to go that far for you is in need of your care, and its your purpose at that point to give her the love and tender care that she's depending on from you. use gloves until you're more comfortable with it, but, over time, the sight and smell won't be such a shock to you. With that being said, messy pants are what makes a REAL baby!

At least my diatribes contain legitimate and complex thoughts. Looks like I'm not so bad after all! (and a better lyricist, I might add!) I vote this topic closed --It's funny the admins show up just for this particular conversation. Otherwise, they're rarely seen! Maybe their presence would keep the keyboard trolls at bay!

I saw it as a fairly simple means of verifying age -- You have to be 18 to get a credit card.

Yeah, but the tongue attach'd thing is a very common genetic trait. and it doesn't cause any real issue because thousands of people have it. we studied those different genetic variations in my advanced biology class as a sophomore. Its kinda cool unless you wanna be a professional tongue-kisser or gene simmons. or the pope.

Dewds! First a good laugh from The Stranger --a paper from my former city --Seattle, and then two uvulas?!? That's just rockin! About the question from Jennie - No, I'm not like a sprinkler, although my 'stream' when I was continent was a bit different from the other boys'. Had a lil bit of a wide angle on it from the start, but it narrowed out in the standard space. My friend jeff talks about the three barbels he has going horizontally thru his penis and urethra down near the head of his penis. He's full of great stories, so I don't know if this is necessarily true, but he claims to have to 'plug' those holes when he pees. Its weird. I just can't fathom having a piercing there *shudder*

Easy on calling our community a 'fraternity' --the girls get a lil testy. *giggle* Glad to hear you're on the road to discovering more about yourself. I promise, the more you know about YOU, the happier YOU will be. The Tena brand diapers are great, I wear them WITH PLEASURE everyday, 24/7, and have been for about a 6 mos. (been 247 for about 2 years) However, the ones you get at walmart or any other dept/drugstore are NOT good. They'll leak on you. www.tena.us and hit 'dealer locator' to find the shop nearest you that sells them. Also, securepersonalcare (DD sponsor) has FREE shipping on all orders since their grand re-opening, or something, and the prices on a case of X-plus are just slightly above what you could expect to pay for a case of Tenas. So I'd check both out, especially if you think you want to be in diapers more often, if not everyday. Again, welcome, and I hope you can learn something from all of us! tris

If you wanna harm the only thing that identifies you as a man, go the cath route. Personally, having had one done before, I wouldn't inflict it upon anyone I know and care about, and certainly not upon my own body again. It is the most excruciating pain I've ever known. And trust the nurse --the bacteria buildup can get bad. And if left unchecked, can and will consume your organs, thrusting you into what's known as renal failure. Your kidneys and liver will cease to function properly and you will experience untold amounts of pain and medical bills --all because you wanted to become incon. My suggestion will probably be backed by everyone else here -- Wear diapers 24/7 and don't hold it back. That's how I achieved a fair degree of incontinence, and there's room for improvement. I haven't harmed my body in any way by doing so, and best of all, I didn't have to put a tube and balloon into my peepee.

I feel you. That's almost an exact description of how I came to be, as well. Did you ever have bowel trouble around 8 or 10? I did - it started under the premise of not wanting to use a bathroom other than my own for twosies. Later, I found it a strangely pleasant feeling of holding it, although not well, because for a period of time I had more than just skid-marks in my undies. It was at that time I can recall being threatened with diapers --the only time mom ever threatened me with them. I briefly contemplated just flat out pooping my pants, and getting rewarded with diapers, but, the social stigma (and my mother's punishment) mattered too much at that time. Looking back, I could have done just that and things probably would have been just as I wanted them to be, but I wasn't emotionally strong enough to endure the mental abuse that would likely go with it. What did your wife and therapist have to say about all this?

Storz - Be patient and get out there! Go with your boys and hangout and do whatever it is you guys do when you get together --the girls will be there, too. Girls - (cuz there was like, THREE of you that rang in on this!) Way to give some input! Albeit a bit harsh, I suppose we need the criticism to stay abreast of the current female mindset. While you girls here have a somewhat collective opinion of what the OP had to say, it's clear that while you are all each bright and shining individuals, you are the same. . . in a different, but same, GOOD way. (Confused yet? Me, too) A big part of your sexuality and preferences share a common theme, which, in turn, could lend to a common view in social trends --particularly when it comes to relationships. Thus rendering you 'similar' individuals who are different from your peers. It would appear obvious that the OP didn't run into girls like you, lest his experiences were tarnished by a fault of his own, making him bitter and angry. So for those of you who already have men, or at least have an idea of what it takes to get your attention for any significant length of time -- Can you come up with something constructive for this fella? He's asking for help --that's a good start, right?