Kawaharu Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 13 hours ago, Jumpin Jack said: She is pandering to the ab/dl community, you are a fool not to see it. Zero positive contributions to those who are incontinent because of medical issues. She isn't pandering to the ABDL community. She's helping advocate for the Incontinent, Disabled and bedwetter community. She has not interest in the ABDL community, Although she acknowledges the ABDL community for pushing to make better diapers for the Incontinent, Disabled and bedwetter community 1 1
spark Posted March 9 Posted March 9 6 hours ago, ValentinesStuff said: For someone that is "pandering" to the ABDL community, how come her video just released a few hours ago doesn't show up if I search for "ABDL" "Adult Baby" "Diaper Lover" or even "Adult Diaper"? She's doing a piss poor, pardon the pun, job of attracting ABDLs. @Mindlesslydiapered hasn't released a video in 3 years. She released fewer videos than Pree but has 4 times the subscriber base. Mindlesslydiapered view counts dwarf Pree's. How it should Be is beating most of Pree's videos. Normally, a TV appearance like Pree's would see a massive uptick in subscribers, but it hasn't changed Pree's subscribers very much. Based on what I've seen with other creator, she could get a lot more viewers by going fully ABDL content. That doesn't appear to be what she wants, and I saw one video where she stated it directly. It's pretty obvious that her content is not intended for an ABDL audience, and a vast majority of the comments are not ABDL related. They are couple of comments about her cuteness, but she's definitely an attractive young lady. 1
cathdiap Posted March 9 Posted March 9 20 hours ago, Kawaharu said: Here's more on here video I am sure Pree convinced many incontinent and/or bedwetting people to finally give in and order their first diapers with this compelling and content-based video. There was no way she could have gotten by with just a verbal message. I am so glad she realized she had to show herself close up in a wet and dirty diaper to spread her noble message. So thank you Pree (also on behalf of the tissue manufacturers)! 1
ValentinesStuff Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, cathdiap said: I am sure Pree convinced many incontinent and/or bedwetting people to finally give in and order their first diapers with this compelling and content-based video. There was no way she could have gotten by with just a verbal message. I am so glad she realized she had to show herself close up in a wet and dirty diaper to spread her noble message. So thank you Pree (also on behalf of the tissue manufacturers)! Whay happened to her just making content for the ABDL crowd?
cathdiap Posted March 9 Posted March 9 <Sarcasm mode off> 45 minutes ago, ValentinesStuff said: Whay happened to her just making content for the ABDL crowd? This video is made for the DL fetishists only. She uses her condition to gain positive attention from her followers under the false pretense of raising awareness for incontinence and adult diapers. Period. Proof: If you still can't see it, I don't know what to say.
ValentinesStuff Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, cathdiap said: <Sarcasm mode off> This video is made for the DL fetishists only. She uses her condition to gain positive attention from her followers under the false pretense of raising awareness for incontinence and adult diapers. Period. Proof: If you still can't see it, I don't know what to say. And how are DLs supposed to find her latest video? 19 hours ago, ValentinesStuff said: For someone that is "pandering" to the ABDL community, how come her video just released a few hours ago doesn't show up if I search for "ABDL" "Adult Baby" "Diaper Lover" or even "Adult Diaper"? She's doing a piss poor, pardon the pun, job of attracting ABDLs. It doesn't show up in any of those searches.
tuffy Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, cathdiap said: If you still can't see it, I don't know what to say. Honestly, (to me) that sounds like she is thanking the ABDL community, not pandering. I've seen similar messages many times from other incontinent people over the years. 3
cathdiap Posted March 9 Posted March 9 46 minutes ago, ValentinesStuff said: And how are DLs supposed to find her latest video? You will find some of her video's only searching for "adult diaper". From there you can visit her channel and find all her other stuff. Not a big deal for the average ABDL.
Kawaharu Posted March 9 Author Posted March 9 4 hours ago, cathdiap said: I am sure Pree convinced many incontinent and/or bedwetting people to finally give in and order their first diapers with this compelling and content-based video. There was no way she could have gotten by with just a verbal message. I am so glad she realized she had to show herself close up in a wet and dirty diaper to spread her noble message. So thank you Pree (also on behalf of the tissue manufacturers)! How is she pandering. She's promoting Incontinence and Incontinent people. She's helping to make Incontinence feel normal and not feel weird or strange. 2
cathdiap Posted March 9 Posted March 9 10 minutes ago, tuffy said: Honestly, (to me) that sounds like she is thanking the ABDL community, not pandering. I've seen similar messages many times from other incontinent people over the years. She thanks them for appreciating her wearing a diaper. This is not the same as fighting for incontinence awareness. She is just happy that there are people who find her attractive in a diaper and I understand that. Just be honest. 8 minutes ago, Kawaharu said: How is she pandering. She's promoting Incontinence and Incontinent people. She's helping to make Incontinence feel normal and not feel weird or strange. Okay enough, I will stop repeating myself. Let's just say "agree to disagree". 1
spark Posted March 9 Posted March 9 29 minutes ago, cathdiap said: Okay enough, I will stop repeating myself. Let's just say "agree to disagree". Good, because you're doing mental gymnastics to prove your point. You're jumping all over the place trying to prove she is doing it for the ABDL audience. PS- all she does is mention the community, which is hardly the same as making a video for an ABDL audience
cathdiap Posted March 9 Posted March 9 46 minutes ago, spark said: Good, because you're doing mental gymnastics to prove your point. Maybe for your brain it feels like gymnastics, for my brain it's like a walk in the park. 46 minutes ago, spark said: PS- all she does is mention the community, which is hardly the same as making a video for an ABDL audience Did you even watch the whole video? She is literally talking to the ABDL community, even sort of thanking them for educating the educator. So yes, this short is absolutely made for the ABDL community. It is quite depressing having to explain myself at this level. 1
ValentinesStuff Posted March 9 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, cathdiap said: You will find some of her video's only searching for "adult diaper". From there you can visit her channel and find all her other stuff. Not a big deal for the average ABDL. It's funny, because I actually do a lot of searching for ABDL content on YouTube and for those people putting up videos for the ABDL community ALL of their videos show up in my searches. And given the amount of content posted daily, finding an old video of hers would be challenging. If you are trying to attract a following, you want to make it easy to find you. 1
spark Posted March 9 Posted March 9 40 minutes ago, cathdiap said: Maybe for your brain it feels like gymnastics, for my brain it's like a walk in the park. Did you even watch the whole video? She is literally talking to the ABDL community, even sort of thanking them for educating the educator. So yes, this short is absolutely made for the ABDL community. It is quite depressing having to explain myself at this level. Name calling. That's a mature way to respond? Do you realize that you are hopping all over the place to prove your point? First of all, it's obvious that she isn't an ABDL At the end, she acknowledged that ABDLs helped overcome her stigma against diapers. At the very end, she thanks the community, which is the final 20 seconds in a 1 minute. Your entire proof is a 20-second clip of a 1-minute video out of a library of 170+ videos. You also claim that she's geared to an ABDL because you can find her videos by searching adult diaper. Well, Google knows that I'm an ABDL, and even for me, AB doesn't show up until the bottom of the page when I search adult diaper. Even through that, you aren't acknowledging the harm that she is doing. Some of her subscribers being ABDL doesn't make her content destructive. What I see if her helping others overcome their stigma against diapers, which helps them live a less isolating life. How is that a bad thing? 4
cathdiap Posted March 10 Posted March 10 18 hours ago, spark said: Do you realize that you are hopping all over the place to prove your point? That's funny. I was just starting to worry that I was repeating the same arguments over and over again. I'm glad you didn't notice. 18 hours ago, spark said: Your entire proof is a 20-second clip of a 1-minute video out of a library of 170+ videos. Doesn't matter. Proof is proof. 18 hours ago, spark said: You also claim that she's geared to an ABDL because you can find her videos by searching adult diaper. I was just responding to a question from @ValentinesStuff. Pree's channel comes up relatively easily with general search terms like "adult" and "diaper". That's all. 18 hours ago, spark said: What I see if her helping others overcome their stigma against diapers, which helps them live a less isolating life. How is that a bad thing? Under the pretense of standing up for a good cause, Pree hopes she won't be accused of sexualizing herself in a diaper. And perhaps some insecure followers hope that her "fight" will help make society more accepting of them wearing diapers (in public) for only sexual reasons. It is all trickery and (self) deceit. I would be really surprised if there's a single incontinent (non ABDL) person who has decided to start wearing diapers, because of Pree's fight for awareness. The simple truth is that Pree wants to be sexy in a diaper. Her followers think she is sexy in a diaper. Nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and don't try to make ABDL a part of the identity movement. 2
Kawaharu Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 39 minutes ago, cathdiap said: That's funny. I was just starting to worry that I was repeating the same arguments over and over again. I'm glad you didn't notice. Doesn't matter. Proof is proof. I was just responding to a question from @ValentinesStuff. Pree's channel comes up relatively easily with general search terms like "adult" and "diaper". That's all. Under the pretense of standing up for a good cause, Pree hopes she won't be accused of sexualizing herself in a diaper. And perhaps some insecure followers hope that her "fight" will help make society more accepting of them wearing diapers (in public) for only sexual reasons. It is all trickery and (self) deceit. I would be really surprised if there's a single incontinent (non ABDL) person who has decided to start wearing diapers, because of Pree's fight for awareness. The simple truth is that Pree wants to be sexy in a diaper. Her followers think she is sexy in a diaper. Nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and don't try to make ABDL a part of the identity movement. What Pree is doing is a good cause and helping break the Stigma of Adult diapers. What I think your doing is tearing her down cause either your jealous that a woman who has MS wears diapers or you don't want diapers to be destigmatized and you want to keep it hidden. What I think is going on here is that your just jealous that a woman who has MS has the guts to confront reality that she has to wear diapers due to multiple sclerosis. On top of that, your hating on Disabled people who have to wear diapers as well cause I think your just jealous that disabled people and medical incontinent people have the justification that you crave so much. From all the videos that Pee has done, she has highlighted how diapers help people like her who have multiple sclerosis and how they cope with being diapered. She's helping break the stigma that comes with wearing diapers and helping make diapers feel normal. She's showing that their is NO shame in wearing diapers. People like you who hate on people like Pree for helping destigmatize adult diapers are why society has a hard time accepting diapers because ABDL people like try to knock down Incontinent people like Pree who needs to wear them and show people that their is NOTING wrong with wearing diapers. I think you simply need psych help because your showing your hatred for people like Pree who's simply trying ton advocate for people who have multiple sclerosis and who wear adult diapers. In reality, your why the Incontinent community can't break the diaper stigma cause you ABDL folks make it very hard for them.
cathdiap Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Great psychoanalysis and great advice. Thank you very much. I will look for a shrink right away. 🤣 1
ValentinesStuff Posted March 10 Posted March 10 1 hour ago, cathdiap said: The simple truth is that Pree wants to be sexy in a diaper. Her followers think she is sexy in a diaper. Nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and don't try to make ABDL a part of the identity movement. Pree is a young woman, presumably not asexual or aromantic, and incontinent. So she has to wear diapers. That she wants to be "sexy," is pretty normal from my understanding. I am asexual and aromantic, so I'm not always sure if someone counts as "sexy." Should she try to be bland and ugly?
UsuallyDiapered Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I'm going to throw my hat into the ring here - clearly at great risk of being eaten alive. Firstly, if I tried, I could probably care less about what Pree does to promote diapers as a means of dealing with incontinence. It's her channel, and, as such, she can do what she likes. I couldn't say I had much issue with her TV interview, but her YouTube videos naturally have a different and more personal focus which doesn't appeal to me. However, I am astounded at the tone of this discussion with accusations against fellow DD members of hate speech, mental illness, right-wing MAGA supporters, etc. Less than one day ago, one contributor was accused of name-calling - but apparently name-calling was okay up to that point when the shoe was on the other foot. Then comes an accusation of "hating" on Pree - I'm sorry, but get a grip: those who claim that Pree is motivated by a desire to normalise incontinence wear are expressing an opinion, and those who claim that she is trying to appeal to the ABDL community are expressing an opinion. Expressing an opinion is not hate simply because one happens to disagree with it. I'm not speaking as an incontinent man here; however, I personally don't see how making videos while exposed in just a diaper is particularly helpful (granted, not all of her videos are like this, but it is increasingly the case). There are several channels on YouTube where incontinent people speak of the realities of living with incontinence but they don't feel the need to add the visual dimension of them actually wearing the diaper. For example, they demonstrate what their wardrobe might look like, discussing their issues with family or medical professionals, describe how they change their diaper when at work or out and about, or how they navigate airport security and flying with incontinence. I think this is a far more effective and appealing way to broach the topic of incontinence - while on the one hand, these personalities are clear that they wear diapers for incontinence, their message is practical: "Yes, I wear diapers, and this is how I go about my day like practically every other person by making a few adjustments to my routine". As I say, Pree can convey her message as she sees fit, but I don't think that sitting on the bed wearing a nothing but a diaper below the waist is an effective way to normalise diapers for incontinent people; showing people how to get on with their lives if they need to wear diapers is, to my mind, much more useful. Is Pree appealing to ABDLs under the guise of helping incontinent people? Others in this thread have compared her channels to other genuine ABDL channels, arguing that she's not doing a very good job if her aim is to garner support from ABDLs. That's a fair point, and I'm not going to go into investigating that kind of detail, to be honest. However, I don't think it's unfair to say that there is a certain "vibe" about her videos, particularly in the past two to three years, which would appeal to ABDLs whether she intends it or not - showing off her diaper beyond simply showing how it fits (e.g. for a review), wearing her hair in pigtails with bows and wearing tutus (which she is obviously entitled to do, and which she claims is her style). I'm sure this says at least as much about who will watch her videos as it does about Pree and her motivations. I'd be inclined to take an "each to their own" approach on this. I don't find her style appealing for normalising diapers for incontinence, I find her videos a bit difficult to watch and listen to, to be honest...so - you guessed it - I don't watch many of her videos. On the other hand, I think the Diaper Dynamo's videos are usually very good (though he hasn't posted in a while) - even though he frequently shows himself wearing a diaper, it usually isn't the sole focus of the video and it's usually to display a practical point. For me, seeing the day to day practicalities in action is much more convincing and appealing. 1
ValentinesStuff Posted March 10 Posted March 10 @UsuallyDiapered From my understanding YouTube has cracked down on monetizing certain types of videos. Many of the diaper review videos no longer show the reviewer wearing just the diaper, they suggest visiting their Just Fans site to see more, because they would not get paid for the video. Or they are getting more money from Just Fans. If Pree isn't getting paid for her videos, she may just be an exhibitionist.
Kawaharu Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 52 minutes ago, Jumpin Jack said: Can multiple sclerosis cause fecal incontinence? Some people with multiple sclerosis find they have less control over when their bowels open. This can result in bowel accidents (incontinence). Its little more than the general population. It is not a persistant and common Here's what Grok says Yes, multiple sclerosis (MS) can cause fecal incontinence in some cases. MS is a chronic neurological condition that affects the central nervous system, disrupting the communication between the brain and the body. This disruption can impact the nerves that control bowel function, leading to issues like fecal incontinence or bowel dysfunction. Fecal incontinence in MS typically occurs due to the loss of voluntary control over the anal sphincter or impaired signaling between the brain and the muscles responsible for bowel movements. Other contributing factors may include constipation (which is common in MS and can lead to overflow incontinence), reduced sensation in the rectal area, or weakness in the pelvic floor muscles. Studies suggest that bowel dysfunction, including fecal incontinence, affects a significant number of people with MS—estimates range from 30% to 70% depending on the population studied. However, it’s not a universal symptom and varies in severity depending on the individual and the progression of their MS. 1
spark Posted March 11 Posted March 11 9 hours ago, cathdiap said: That's funny. I was just starting to worry that I was repeating the same arguments over and over again. I'm glad you didn't notice. Doesn't matter. Proof is proof. I was just responding to a question from @ValentinesStuff. Pree's channel comes up relatively easily with general search terms like "adult" and "diaper". That's all. Under the pretense of standing up for a good cause, Pree hopes she won't be accused of sexualizing herself in a diaper. And perhaps some insecure followers hope that her "fight" will help make society more accepting of them wearing diapers (in public) for only sexual reasons. It is all trickery and (self) deceit. I would be really surprised if there's a single incontinent (non ABDL) person who has decided to start wearing diapers, because of Pree's fight for awareness. The simple truth is that Pree wants to be sexy in a diaper. Her followers think she is sexy in a diaper. Nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and don't try to make ABDL a part of the identity movement. It's the internet sleuths being judgemental pricks. You've got your panties tied up in wad over something that is relatively harmless
cathdiap Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 hours ago, spark said: It's the internet sleuths being judgemental pricks. You've got your panties tied up in wad over something that is relatively harmless And it's whiny woke people like you who act like their whole world is falling apart if someone tries to stop them from selling their lies as truth in the real world. It's quite telling to be honest. 1
spark Posted March 11 Posted March 11 23 minutes ago, cathdiap said: And it's whiny woke people like you who act like their whole world is falling apart if someone tries to stop them from selling their lies as truth in the real world. It's quite telling to be honest. Can you define woke? BTW- the world is falling apart because we're a-holes to each other. Congratulations it appears that you're helping in that mission. If we can stop being a-hoes, maybe we might actually make headway on the problems. However, you probably feel asking people not to a-holes is woke, and instead prefer that the world is full of judgmental pricks. Pree is doing nothing wrong, and yet she got your panties in a twist and called her and me woke. I read some of your previous stuff, and you clearly have some conspiral Andrew Tate type of ideas in your head. I know the world that you want to live in, and i don't want any part of it. 1
cathdiap Posted March 11 Posted March 11 52 minutes ago, spark said: Can you define woke? I'll let this guy do the talk.... You feel oppressed by society for your sexual orientation (in your case fetish or ageplay). But there is no oppression. Society simply doesn't give a shit what race and sex you are or what sexual orientation you have. Society is only interested in what you have to offer to make it safe, healthy and wealthy. 58 minutes ago, spark said: I read some of your previous stuff, and you clearly have some conspiral Andrew Tate type of ideas in your head. I don't know him very well, but some things he said I do agree with. 1 hour ago, spark said: I know the world that you want to live in, and i don't want any part of it. I think you'll be surprised how good life can be on the other side. It sucks to feel oppressed for no reason. Just be an honest, kind and giving human being and you will be loved for it.
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