I found this bedwetting guide. What do you think about it?

[Hannah YMS]

I found this bedwetting guide method on Tumblr. It's called the Brute Force Bedwetting - A Training Guide. I found it very interesting and I've not heard this method discussed on this subforum before. I wouldn't mind your input on what you think about it.

• Does it sound reasonable?
• Have you tried this method before? If so, what were your results?
• Is there anything you disagree with in the guide?
• If you've attempted to become a bedwetter and still want to do so, is there anything in the guide that you incorporate?
• Etc.

You now have the floor, forum.

[oznl]

I totally “get” the underlying model whereby a cycle of repeating sleep/wake/wet/sleep episodes occur across the night is established and over time, the “wake” phase starts to fade.  That is pretty much exactly what my transition to bedwetting looked like.

Two minor differences in my case.

Firstly, because I’m such a crappy sleeper and when I started this 4 years ago, I was strung out on adrenaline with a killer high-stress job that it would be a very rare night where I did NOT wake repeatedly.

Secondly, the wake interval was closer to two hours, not one.

I’m no sleep scientist but that 60 minute enforced wake interval prolonged for a month looks dangerous to me.  As I understand sleep physiology (and I did research this a little, trying to understand my own insomnia), a sleep regime like this is likely to inhibit your REM sleep phase.  REM sleep doesn’t typically occur before 90 minutes or more sleep where you’re in other phases.

Whilst the exact biological imperative of REM sleep is poorly understood (or even sleep in general since it has such a high cost in terms of time and attention), it is believed to be vital for memory consolidation and general brain repair.  Google REM sleep deprivation and see what you think.

I think I prefer a two hour cycle but somebody with relevant education may chime in.

[babykeiff]

6 hours ago, jonbearab said:

I found this bedwetting guide method on Tumblr. It's called the Brute Force Bedwetting - A Training Guide. I found it very interesting and I've not heard this method discussed on this subforum before. I wouldn't mind your input on what you think about it.

• Does it sound reasonable?
• Have you tried this method before? If so, what were your results?
• Is there anything you disagree with in the guide?
• If you've attempted to become a bedwetter and still want to do so, is there anything in the guide that you incorporate?
• Etc.

You now have the floor, forum.

@jonbearab, why not post what you read on Tumblr here, so that people can read it here without having to be a Tumblr member?

[Hannah YMS]

16 minutes ago, babykeiff said:

@jonbearab, why not post what you read on Tumblr here, so that people can read it here without having to be a Tumblr member?

Copyright. I didn't want to copy the text without permission, hence the link.

[babykeiff]

@Kif thank you for paraphrasing this.

To understand this type of training one should understand Pavlov, and how he trained another (dogs) to act on a signal. This is similar in that you are being trained to wet at a specific time at night based on reward for wanted behaviour and punishment for unwanted behaviour. This will work, but it is destined to failure as the mind will find a way to defeat the training.

Habits, once formed, can be surpressed but will, in the right circumstance, repeat. This training is trying to create a new habit, but the mind will reject this in favour of the habits it knows, and the habits of the mind to stay dry at night. As a result, to wet overnight, one needs to remove the reasons one became dry overnight - i.e. cancel the reason one was toilet trained NOT try and wet by a trigger. The reward to a person that wants to wet overnight is waking up and finding that they are wet, not an act that they have to perform. Wetting by an alarm / trigger and going back to sleep defeats the self reward of waking and finding oneself wet. It also increases ones guilt level and may add to the purge cycle that a few ABDLs go through - as they try and rationalise that they are spending good money on diapers that they are deliberately wetting overnight.

If one wants to wet overnight, they should do the following:-

• Get a pacifier, and use it overnight - clip it to your pajamas etc so you don't loose it. A baby bottle of water is better if one can get one to the same scale as a baby bottle to a baby.
• Get thick cloth diapers & plastic pants, and diaper self everynight.
• Get a plastic undersheet, the more crinkly the better
• Coat the plastic undersheet in baby powder - your room should smell of it.
• Go to bed at a set time everynight in thick cloth diapers where if your diapers leak, your bed will not get ruined.
• Drink 1-2 pints of water before bed after you are diapered
  • if you wet your diaper before you fall asleep no problem.
  • if you wake up in the middle of the night and need to wet, wet the diaper without moving and go back asleep
  • if you wake up in the morning needing to pee, wet the diaper before you get up.
• Have a clean diaper ready for you every night before bed
• Before you go to sleep, tell yourself that you are a good baby and good babies use their diapers 

The idea is the remove the reason you were toilet trained overnight - and you will revert to wetting your diaper as there is no reason not to / to keep your bed dry as the diapers do that for you. The baby powder smell is to replace the baby smell of your crib / room. The plastic sheet is to protect the bed AND to remind you via sound of your crib.

From a personal perspective, I find that the Brute force Bedwetting methodology is not only flawed, in the long term is destined to fail AND can be detrimental to the sanity of those attempting it. It is almost as if the author of this methodology is attempting to drive those who want to wet overnight away from diapers and the ABDL world.

[stevewet]

Make the bed in a way that it remains comfortable when wet. I use a fitted waterproof cover and washable bed pad under a flanellette sheet and the bed stays warm and comfortable when my nappy leaks.

[babykeiff]

What a lot of people here are talking about is making it comfortable when ones diaper leaks.

A few fact :-

• Before you were toilet trained, you didn't care about the state of your diaper.
• Before you were toilet trained, your diaper leaked many times during the day, but rarely overnight
• Before you were toilet trained, unless the leaking diaper made you cold, you didn't care.
• To entice you to use a toilet and not your diaper, you were dressed in training pants etc.
  • that got cold as soon as wet
  • wet your outside clothes
  • wet your toys etc
•  To entice you to use a toilet, it was instilled in you that leaks and a leaking diaper was bad.

This concept of a leaking diaper / cold wet bed etc was what was used to get you to break the habit of using diapers.

What you are trying to do is start the habit again with the same fear of leaks that was instilled to break you of the habit. Nobody can tell you that leaks will not happen - this, you have to learn yourself, and this you can learn by wearing double to treble cloth diapers and plastic pants overnight. Most people only need a single layer cloth, with the few that need the double layer. Having a treble layer diaper means that there is plenty of spare absorbancy which reduces the chance of leaks from slim to none.

Once you gain the confidence that your diaper does not leak overnight, it won't be long before you revert back to the habit of using the diaper for everything.

As a result, focusing on leaks etc. is not only focusing on ones wetting - something you should be leaving to your body to do, but it is also focusing on the reason you were toilet trained and not trying to defeat / reverse your training.