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Right then. Pink has said it’s OK to write our own endings. Maybe her return makes it a bit pointless, and I don’t know how many people were really going to anyway. However, it might be a while yet before Pink posts a new chapter. I’ve started a new topic called Mimi15, and that’s where I’m posting my own ending. Shame not to, since I’ve been working on it for a few weeks. What if no one likes it? What if no one reads it? Oh dear.

Brilliant! Pink is back. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it, Pink. About me thinking Mimi was 12: There's a bit in Chapter 8 where her mum says “And although you may not have noticed it yourself, I think your potty training hasn’t quite been going in the right direction lately.

Thanks. Someone else told me you can put some plastic sticky tape like brown packing tape on the nappy, and the tape can fasten and refasten to that.

I sit down to pee during the night or first thing in the morning, as sometimes I have difficulty starting to pee, and when it does come out I might miss. Sometimes I'm not too steady on my feet (paralysed leg) and I might sway forward or back while peeing. Also it saves switching the light on. I sometimes get that weird peeing sideways thing as well. Otherwise I manage to pee standing up OK.

I sit down to pee during the night or first thing in the morning, as sometimes I have difficulty starting to pee, and when it does come out I might miss. Sometimes I'm not too steady on my feet (paralysed leg) and I might sway forward or back while peeing. Also it saves switching the light on. I sometimes get that weird peeing sideways thing as well. Otherwise I manage to pee standing up OK.

I got run over when I was 21 and got a broken back, fractured skull etc, but I was out of hospital and walking (impaired) about after a few months. For the first few years I had very occasional messy accidents, usually when walking nowhere near a toilet. I was supposed to use suppositories/micro-enemas every morning to make me go to the toilet, but evidently the system didn’t always work. That meant I usually had to get up an hour earlier than I would normally and hang around waiting to poop. Also at that time of my life my friends were all going on holiday abroad together and I couldn’t go with them because I was afraid of messy accidents caused by foreign food/water in an unfamiliar (where’s the toilet? Nowhere) environment, and having to go through all that rigmarole in the morning without my friends knowing what I was doing. Maybe I could have just told them about that, but as it was I kept having to pretend I just couldn’t get the time off work or couldn’t afford it. To this day only one of them knows about it, and that's because I dared to go on holiday with him and we couldn't set off somewhere one morning because of my rigmarole taking longer than usual, and I had to tell him. Anyway, at some point after 2000 I found I didn’t need to do that any more. A few years ago (not sure when) I started wetting the bed, very occasionally, and it’s gradually got worse to the point where I can have several dry nights in a row, but never a dry week, and sometimes I wet several nights in a row or several times in a night. The doctors said I have an overactive bladder, and they were going to inject botox into my bladder wall, which should alleviate the problem till it wears off after 8 or 9 months, but there’s a risk I might end up needing a catheter in. I went to the hospital but they couldn’t do the procedure because it turned out I had a urinary infection at the time. I’m still waiting for another appointment after more than six months and trying to chase it up. Has anyone had that procedure done? Did it work for you? Did it go wrong?

Thinking of getting some disposable nappies for bedwetting when I go away anywhere. I've never actually worn disposables before. Do they all have refastenable tapes (for if I go to the toilet without actually wetting) or would I keep having to change nappies every time I took one off? Alternatively is it possible to pull a disposable down and up again without unfastening the tapes? I ask because I gather: disposable nappies hold more than pullups; people can pull a disposable down & up (unconfirmed); if you undo the tapes you can rip the plastic of the nappy. I haven't been able to get answers to these questions just looking around on the net. Obviously the less nappies I have to take with me the better. Can anyone recommend a particular brand of nappy (available in UK) for what I have in mind?

Maybe the lead lined diaper is a kamikaze swim diaper.

I got a spinal injury in the 80s and for the first few years I'd have the odd messy accident, usually when walking any distance (say half a mile). I once messed myself walking in to work with a colleague. I went to the toilet at work to clean myself up, made some excuse about bad guts and went home "sick". Once I went to the pub after work and needed to go to the toilet but didn't make it. I farted and it went all down my leg and into my boots. Needless to say I was in the cubicle a long time taking my boots, trousers, pants off and cleaning up. Someone came to look for me. Fortunately I'd just been to Mexico, so I could plead Montezuma's Revenge. I had to flush my undies down the toilet, which nearly blocked the drain, but they were soooo messy. If the guy looked under the cubicle wall and noticed I had my boots and socks off, nobody's ever said anything. Everyone at work knows about my accident (the RTA not the messy one), so maybe they all assume I wet and mess myself anyway but are too polite to say anything. I always used to think if you broke your back you automatically lost all control in that department, but not so, apparently. Anyway, messing yourself in public: very messy, very stinky, not just a case of wiping your bum with a bit of paper. Not recommended, unless you're a real enthusiast with no inhibitions.

Fair comment, Frink, but how do we get permission from someone who can't be contacted? Also I suspect Pink isn't bothered about this story any more. Presumably she hasn't checked the thread since she last posted months ago. Is it acceptable to post alternative endings/continuations for this story in a separate thread? Only then maybe nobody would read them (which might be a good thing?)

George, that's a very thought provoking tale of how you got arrested for stealing a takeaway. It provokes me to think, why did they think you did it, and did you do it, and if so, why? If you get your jollies by wetting yourself, fine. If you want to make yourself incontinent, do it at your own expense. If you want to argue there's nothing wrong with deliberately damaging your body and getting free supplies from the NHS, I don't agree. Do you actually pay any taxes? I never realised sleazy, amoral chavs were into this kind of thing. Or are you just trolling the forums to wind people up?

It's something I've always wondered about (ever since I saw a fake photo of Britney Spears in a nappy pushing a bike ). I've always thought it wouldn't be a good idea to ride in a wet/messy nappy. You'd get a bit of a rash on your bot-bot, and the saddle would squeeze stuff out. But people are saying they've done it. Maybe it beats riding for miles and miles trying to find a gap in the hedge, where the hedge is high enough, and the field isn't overgrown, or overlooked from the road or houses etc. before I start to pee myself anyway. At least black lycra wouldn't show the stains.

I just stuff an old towel down the front of my pants, which usually does the trick and stops the bed getting wet. I don't wet every night, but sometimes it's 2 or 3 nights in a row or even 2 or 3 times in a night (more towels, please), but I haven't had a "dry week" for years. I Haven't actually got a waterproof cover on the mattress. ('ve been in hospitals and Youth Hostels where they've got waterproof mattresses and it gets pretty sweaty). It's got a bit discoloured over the years, mainly from when the problem first started, so it's too late to worry about that now. It's not as if the mattress smells of pee, though it's probably unhygeinic on microscopic level. I'm more worried about how I'm going to explain the stains when I come to replace the mattress.

Think I might join you there, pullups. It'll get a bit messy with several people writing the story simultaneously though. aleia:I have a theory about Ally's behaviour: Considering Pink says Ally loves Mimi (but I can't see how), maybe she loves her older sister but always wanted a baby sister, and sees Mimi's problem as an opportinity for role reversal as big sister becomes little sister. Maybe it's a "caring for baby" thing rather than power/dominance/sadism. Maybe she feels sorry for Mimi, but she's enjoying it too much to want it to stop. Maybe she thinks it can't last so she's making the most of it. Which is a "nice" explanation, as opposed to: she hates Mimi, or wants revenge for something - or as you said, she's either a secret DL (with access to free nappies while Mimi's problem lasts) or she's just a sadistic little twerp who thinks it's funny. Meanwhile Barking Mad Mum probably wants the feeling of having a baby to care for. Maybe it's a menopausal thing, or she can't have any more babies, so wants to turn Mimi into a baby; so Mimi is the object of both their twisted desires. Ally going off the rails as a result of mother's neglect? True, Mimi is getting a lot of (unwanted) attention, but Ally is revelling in the role of mummy's little helper (is she doing it for attention/approval?). Mum thinks she's wonderful and she's allowed to get away with stuff at Mimi's expense. If Mimi wasn't around any more, having Mum to herself might give Ally the love she needs/keep her in line. On the other hand, Ally alone in the house with Mum and lots of nappies..... I like the idea of Mimi's schoolwork being affected etc. I gather she's academically bright, just a bit dim when it comes to remembering to use the toilet sometimes; but it can't help if she sits in class worrying if anyone notices she's messed herself etc.

I was in DL chatrooms a few years ago, but I've been lurking since then.

Agreed. Pink seems to have posted a chapter every couple of months, but nothing for about five months. I'd hate to hijack the story while she's working on something. I take it having her on your friends list doesn't make it any easier for you to contact her. I have thought of a way I could end the story, but it would take a few chapters (and presumably many months). I could even write it in Merkin English for you. No pirates, aliens, gun battles, Acts of God or car chases.

Writing it myself crossed my mind, but I don't think I could do it. Mimi's mother keeps coming up with new stuff I'd never have expected, or stuff I might have expected but in ways I didn't expect, (in other words, I'm not clever enough) so I doubt I could carry that on, unless I got round it by bringing it swiftly to a happy ending without her mother having time to make things any worse. I've already said loads about how I think it should/might end, to the point where I think I was becoming obsessed with it, so I think I'll go and have a lie down in a darkened room to rest my brain while I wait for Pink to bless us with further chapters. Pink's left Mim faced with a choice of staying at home all the time she's not at school, being treated like a baby; or trying to have a social life (ie go to the sleepover etc), but having to have someone change her nappies by arrangement with her mother (or her mother coming along to change her). Which would you choose? Hmmm. Like someone said, maybe Chapter 14 is the end. A hell from which there is no escape. I don't like endings that leave loose ends/dilemmas, but I suppose at any moment in your life there's always some unfinished business. Pink probably has other fish to fry, and she'll do what she wants, and if we can't even ask her what she's going to do about this story, I'll just have to keep checking back here.

Why don't YOU email her? Haahaha! Actually I've tried but I can't email Pink or PM her through her DD profile for some reason. Maybe she's only accessible to a chosen few. I tried sending her a message on Yahoo Messenger, but no response. Does she have to be online at the same time I send the message? I've never really used it before. I could get on MSN or join Diaperspace, where I believe she's active, just to try contacting her that way, but I'm starting to feel like a stalker. Or were you taking the p155 when you said email her? Hidden has her on his friends list.

In real life I try and compensate for shyness by trying to be funny (I say trying), something I started doing when I was about 15 and haven't got out of the habit of. I'm shy on the forums so far; in fact I've only posted on one story forum, and I'm afraid I went on a bit much. The only person who's visited/viewed my profile (where I've been too pathetic to fill in the About Me part yet) is one of the people who told me to lighten up. . I expect he thought, "Who's this idiot? I must learn more." I'll try not to let it deter me. Give me a keyboard and I'll just blather on (in real life I can't usually get a word in edgeways). Maybe that's how to make friends and meet people on forums - post stuff that's going to get a response.

That'll be me and my verbal diarrhoea, coming on about a month after everyone else has finished posting stuff and driveling on about what I thought. I even managed to plug a different story from years ago, which I didn't set out to do (don't know if that's a breach of netiquette or not). I only hope Pink hasn't abandoned this story for whatever reason.

I don't know if it's run out of steam - it's been left on a bit of a cliffhanger. Cat's asked Mimi about the sleepover again - with the awful conditions her mother's imposed. What now? I agree it looks bad for Mimi ultimately. She'll probably have to admit defeat and wear nappies for good. I thought she might find she wants to be babied and regress completely, but I'd hate that. I doubt she wants to regress. If she does she won't just have lost her struggle, she'll have lost herself. While she's made some mistakes that made things worse (but she's never been to a doctor and she's had no advice of any kind) and she's getting used to (not enjoying) wearing nappies, and she's becoming more incontinent(?) most of what's happened to her has been imposed on her. Life in nappies might be bearable for Mimi without that Mum/Ally regime where she can't change herself and they control her life.

Couldn't have put it better myself (though I tried hard enough:)). Beginning to think I was the only one who felt that way about it. By the end I just felt really sad for Mimi and it was getting me down. Serves me right for reading all 14 chapters in one go, as opposed to one by one as they were written?

I found this link: http://www.foxtalestimes.com/Stories/internet%20stories/suepun.txt It seems to be the whole story, all sixteen chapters. It's years since I read it, and it's not so easy to find these days.

OK, I plead guilty to taking it too seriously, letting it affect me too much, but that's probaby because it's so well written. As for being critical, when I use words like horrible and hopeless, I mean Mimi's situation, not the quality of the writing. Everybody, me included, is praising this story to the skies, so I don't suppose me saying I don't like that bit, or I don't get that bit, is going to discourage Pink Nappies too much. I think I've worked out why Mimi's messing herself. Her plan means holding her pee for as long as possible, and when she wants to poo, she doesn't want to waste the time spent holding her pee by going to the toilet to poo, and peeing there (or is it the pressure of a full bladder making her want to poo - I get that sometimes). So she messes her pullups a lot, and Mum puts her in nappies. An example of Mimi being her own worst enemy and being doomed to get it wrong and fail all the time. In the bit where Cat first appears it says Mimi used to go to sleepovers, which implies there was a time when she didn't wear nappies/pullups. I thought she'd always needed them. When did she start? If she wore nappies at previous sleepovers, why is she afraid to go now? I re-read the mall scene (change in the car, poo in the queue, Mum makes a big show of telling Mimi off for crying just because she's messed her nappy). Baby Susan's Punishment, which I mentioned earlier, is full of that kind of thing, but I've never read anything else like it since. Back at the car is brilliant humiliation. Mum and Ally go through a charade about Ally not being alowed to embarrass Mimi about her problem, and then talk about her as if she always messes herself, which at that point she doesn't. Mimi realises they're both against her and will never give her a fair chance, so she devises her secret plan. I have a theory about Mum's behaviour. She's afraid of her daughters growing up and leaving. She wants to always have a little girl/baby to look after, and Mimi, with her problem, is the prime candidate. So she sets about treating Mimi as much like a baby as she can (hence not letting her change herself), to make the most of the time she has left, and to try and reduce her to a baby-like state where she's completely dependant and will never leave. So even when Ally's grown up and left, she'll still have Mimi. Forever. In her dungeon - oops, sorry, nursery. I can definitely see it all ending a bit like that. I'm possibly the only one who wants a happy-ish ending, one where either she gets out of nappies, or at least if she's stuck with them, life becomes bearable for her. I think Cat is essential for a happy ending. The only reason Mimi's in such a mess is her isolation. Problems like hers can be pretty isolating. She has more friends in cyberspace than in real life, and doesn't see much of her real friends. Nobody knows what she's going through, and it's difficult for her to tell anyone, even Cat, but Cat is pushy enough to get the truth out of her.

Pink Nappies, I've just read the whole brilliant story, so I apologise for not just commenting on the latest chapter, and maybe repeating anything anyone else has already posted. Here goes my first post, sorry if it's a bit long. Warning: contains English English. Feel free to flame me. Mimi's Struggle is a masterpiece of storytelling. Fourteen chapters of utter hopelessness. Possibly the most horrible, tragic and depressing thing I've ever read (calm down, dear, it's only a story). So why did I keep reading it? Maybe because if there's one thing cuter than a girl in nappies it's an incontinent girl in nappies, and if there's one thing cuter than that it's if she's having a bit of a miserable time, which is a horrible thing to like, because I wouldn't wish it on anyone, and this story has it in bucketloads. I did look for a story about an incontinent girl with a younger sister etc, so I'm not complaining. I keep hoping for a happy ending, I suppose. The only story I can compare this to is Baby Susan's Punishment, which launches quickly into a rather more brutal regime of nappies and very public humiliation. Unlike Mimi, Susan's situation doesn't gradually get worse, but a lot of nasty experiences befall her. Whenever it looks like there's hope for Mimi, it's crushed with another disaster and further degradation. Right from the start I was thinking oh, that poor girl, she's allowed no dignity whatsoever. Her mother constantly checks her pullups without asking her, even in public, changes her in public, changes her in front of her younger sister, hides the nappies somewhere. What's that about? Why not let her change herself? Can this nightmare get any worse? Yes it can. I think Mimi's plan to strengthen her bladder control is flawed, as she might end up damaging her "plumbing", but I suppose she's only 12 (it says in Chapter 8) and she's completely on her own, with no one to turn to, and no advice from anyone. Her family do nothing to help, like take her to a doctor, and only make her problem more unbearable in various ways. They don't seem to want, or expect, things to get better for her. Mimi never seems able to express how unhappy all this is making her. It's a wonder she can function at all, concentrating on school work etc - she's already in danger of alienating her friends. She sometimes looks like her own worst enemy, holding it in too long before going to the toilet, then having an accident, which leads to further "diaper punishment"; but she's often a victim of bad luck or bad timing. She's definitely more sinned against than sinning. By about Chapter 10 Mimi seems to be losing control, not noticing when she wets (or holding it in for ages until she just leaks involuntarily). She's messing herself as well (not sure how or why), back in nappies full time and it's not clear if she's still following her plan (Pink Nappies, you said she is, but it's hard to tell reading the story), but it seems success now just means nobody finding out she wears nappies. When Cat finds out about her nappies, Mimi is too awkward and embarrassed to reveal the full awfulness of her situation. A rather touching scene, but why doesn't she scream and cry and let it all out, considering how miserable she must feel? Maybe she thinks if she cries too much she'll look like a baby and that won't help her case. She is reluctant to go to the sleepover, even though Cat says she'll keep her secret. Sadly while she can't oppose her mother, she will resist, and keep lying to, the only person who's on her side. Mum says someone's got to change her at the sleepover, and when Mimi says she doesn't want that, she twists it all round to sound like Mimi wants Mum to come and change her, thus threatening total humiliation in front of all her friends (well done, Pink). If Mimi refuses to go, maybe her mother won't want to miss the chance of babying her in front of other people, and will manipulate her into going, and find some way to embarrass her there. Send Ally round to change her? (NOOOOOO!) Hopefully her friends will be too sympathetic for it to be completely unbearable. Hugs all round? About Mum (from hell): never listens to anything Mimi says but puts her own interpretation on everything that always leads to a worse situation for Mimi, grinding her down with her relentless logic (leaving Mimi tongue-tied) until she gets whatever she wants. If Mimi comes home dry, or wakes up dry, she never says well done, and if Mimi gets upset she always says domething like, "never mind, you can't help wetting yourself all the time, that's why you wear nappies." There's no chastisement, no spankings, but there's no encouragement, no respect for her dignity, her feelings or her person either. She seems to seize on everything as an excuse to make life harder for Mimi. Maybe she won't let her change herself because has a mental image of her as a baby and wants to baby her for ever. Is that why she forces her to mess herself at the mall? That was really nasty. She had to ride home in the car sitting in it. Lovely. About Ally: at the start you say she loves Mimi very much and often feels sorry for her (but enjoys her misfortune). You say she revels in Mimi's company, which sounds rather sweet, but why? Apart from Ally feeling smug because Mimi has to wear nappies, and Mimi feeling completely wretched, what is there between them? They don't do anything together and Mimi avoids her. Mostly she just lurks around taking in every aspect of Mimi's ordeal and making her feel worse. More about the nice side of Ally (a contradiction in terms?) needed? Maybe to include anything that doesn't centre around Mimi's problem would fill out the story too much. Later she locks Mimi out of the toilet and makes her wet herself (a seriously wrong thing to do to someone with a problem like Mimi's). Whereas the mere suspicion of having done that might get her in serious trouble in the real world, unfairness is the rule in their household, and she gets away with it. Later Mimi apologises to Ally for being rude (in what way - not accepting her insincere apology? Sorry I made you wet yourself and I got away with it and you got blamed, because Mum likes having you in nappies and so do I?) and they hug and make up (the only "tender moment" between them in the whole story). What???? Is Mimi oblivious to Ally's game, the way Mum seems to be? Is she only uncomfortable around Ally because she feels inferior wearing nappies? Does she not know Ally is absolutely loving it? Has she forgotten what Ally just did to her? She just wants to go and be alone in her room, so why is she talking to Ally at all? Even if she's too demoralised to argue, or say something like, "You did something nasty to me and lied about it. I don't accept your apology." she could just give her the silent treatment. Am I missing something, or is she scared to offend Ally in case she tells other people about her problem? I think there's something early on about Ally having Mimi's secret as an ace up her sleeve. Otherwise,this bit doesn't feel right. Another thing is sports at school, as someone mentioned. If it's like when I was at school, that's PE (her whole class in the gym) and Games (all the kids in her year go out and do something like soccer), once a week each, so that's four times a week (before and after) that she's got to get changed with other kids, and she's always had to wear "protection" (I think), and she's 12. How has she got away with it all this time? She could turn up with her kit under her uniform, put her uniform back on over her kit afterwards, but that might attract attention for being weird, though I get the impression Mimi can go unnoticed, not being "popular". Maybe she's excused sports on some other medical grounds. Apart from that, this awful, tragic story is a masterpiece. About Dad: he's not always around, but when he is he's useless. Doesn't he know what's going on? He seems to be very loving, but leaves dealing with Mimi to Mum. He seems to have agreed to having her go round the house with her nappy showing, without giving it any thought. Why doesn't Mimi complain to him? Lash out and really hit him. She's only 12 and she can't damage him too much. Actually it's unusual for there to be a dad at all in a story like this, probably because real fathers would blow their stacks if one of their kids was being treated like that. About Mimi: she seems doomed to never say the right thing at the right time, or always tell the wrong lie to get herself out of trouble, and can never get what she wants or stop things being made worse for her. As when her mother tells her she's got to have someone change her at the sleepover, and it ends up that her mother's going to go in person; and when she gets home and her mother doesn't check/change her straight away so she sits around, then she pretends she didn't know she needed changing; and then she's told she has to go round the house with her nappy exposed, because she doesn't know when she needs changing. It's painful to read. A lot of her misfortunes wouldn't happen, and her situation wouldn't keep getting worse, if she was just allowed to change herself and didn't have this depenency on her mother. If her plan works, how will she know it's worked? When will be the time to start putting her plan to the test? Is it possible to use the toilet several times a day, untaping and retaping the same nappy again and again? I suppose she could wear panties over the nappy in case the tapes fail. I assume coming home in a dry nappy at the end of every day is the only proof of success. Will her mad mother ever give her the credit she deserves give her her panties back? Even if she succeeds is she doomed to carry on as she is until she can leave home? That's doomed twice in 2 paragraphs, so it looks bad. I've got a few ideas about how it might end: -She goes to the sleepover, her friends find out about her problem, but they're caring and supportive, and even though she's still in nappies, at least she can have some sort of social life. Maybe she finds one of her friends wears nappies as well (although realistically, and with her luck, she's got as much chance of finding Narnia). -With the support of her friends, or her friends' parents, (since her own parents are worse than useless) ie other people knowing about her problem and being prepared to help, she gets some medical help and is cured of her problem. Too sensible? -She gets taken to a doctor (at last) and learns that she's damaged her plumbing with her plan to strengthen bladder control, and will be in nappies 24/7 for ever. Oh, the cruel irony. -she runs away from home on the eve of her birthday (which looks likely to be spent alone with her awful family, lots of public changing if they go anywhere; or if they have a party, having to pretend to be happy when her life sucks worse than any of the guests can imagine - if nappy changes before their eyes wouldn't give them any idea). When picked up by police/social services, she begs not to be sent home. They put her in foster care and get her some help with her problem - unlike her useless family, who are banned from coming anywhere near her. -Insane mother gets locked up, and Dad lets Mimi deal with her own nappies and she gradually gets better without the constant humiliations and degrading rituals that were making her worse. -she tries to kill herself and ends up in hospital, where she gets help with her problem. -she tries to kill herself and dies. "Oh why did she do it? We had no idea she was so unhappy." -she has a complete breakdown and turns into a baby mentally - the realisation of Mum's plan? Ally gets the job of feeding/changing her etc. I can see people liking that. I'd like to see her allowed to change herself if she's stuck with nappies, and not have her mother checking her and changing her in front of other people. I don't mind a bit of humiliation in stories, but this much depresses me (not that I empathise too much with fictional characters or anything:)). Is even this shred of dignity too much of a happy ending? As for Ally, I can see the appeal of her ending up in nappies (maybe Mum will turn her attention to her, having destroyed Mimi completely), but I'd settle for her growing a conscience. I don't know how old she's meant to be (10?), old enough to think it's funny to lock Mimi out of the toilet and hang around watching her being changed, not old enough to realise (or care) how much it gets Mimi down. Some sort of reconciliation rather than payback. Maybe I'm just too soft. What about the photo Ally took in Chapter 3? Someone said once Mimi's friends know about her problem the photo will be useless for blackmail, but Ally could still put it on the web or show other people. She might be in trouble, but Mum let her get away with locking Mimi out of the toilet, and Dad doesn't seem to know what's going on. She'd be in trouble if she stuck copies up all over school, though. maybe she's too clever to do that, and if she does grow a conscience she'll never do it. If she tries to use it it maybe she could be put in nappies as a punishment. Mimi and her mother might not be identifiable in the (probably) crummy mobile phone photo anyway. If they didn't see the photo being taken, chances are their faces aren't visible. The threat of it might still be enough for Ally to manipulate Mimi,but for what purpose? Pink, you're really good at devising new indignities for Mimi, but please save them for another story and give her a break. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it next.