Why Do People Have Such A Negative View Of This Fetish?

[dprtodd]

#1: No content involving minors IN ANY WAY.

#2: No bullshit, blatant lies, or obvious fabrications under the guise of "truth".

#3: Reporting or encouraging others to act out in a public setting is not allowed.

#4: Keep it tasteful. There are better ways to discuss things than saying "I like to make poppy diperz, do u??"

1) No content involving Minors. I don't mean to resort to name calling, but I can't help it. This is just dumb. Sexual exploitive pictures of children are a crime, as is the exploitation of children for purient reasons, and any crimes against children have no place in any community, fetish oriented or not. A story about being a child who wears diaper is not the same thing, it is a work of imagination and fiction, it harms neither the reader nor the imaginary child. You may hate both equally, you may find both disgusting, tasteless, rude etc but they are not the same. Do you really expect to enforce your standards on everyone else simply because you don't like something and you have deemed it as off limits? If we get to play that game then let me shoot you a list of movies I don't want you to watch, books I don't want you to read, and food I don't want you to eat.

I'll bite and play along though. Let's say you get to be mayor of diapertown - how would you even enforce this? You gonna ban the girl who talks about that time when she was seven and she wet the bed and that's why she likes diapers now? Shhhh! I think I hear someone fapping to that. How about the story about an adult who wears diapers to compensate for an unhappy childhood? For a large chunk of our community the role playing of being a child is central to their participation in the community, you gonna go after that next because it makes you uncomfortable? Oh noes! The person pretending to be their babysitter is roleplaying just a little too hard they must be a pervert! Get em!

2) Who then gets to be the arbitir of truth? Are you alone going to determine if something is true or not, or are we the community going to determine truth by consensus based on majority rule? That's an awesome idea if you are.

Columbus said:

"Worlds round"

Community said:

"No wai! LIAR! BS ON YOU"

Or maybe we can have a special commission to investigate everyone's claims on the board? First order of business we could dispatch someone to the walmart to interview the cashier that WetNMessy247 claimed to have spoken to in his above quoted post - that way we could see if it really happened or not. Better hope your telling the truth WetNMessy!! If not they're gonna get ya. Oh wait - they don't like what you claimed to have said, so they're gonna get you for that! I guess you're just screwed no matter what. [in all seriousness - WetNMessy if you did tell her that - wtf?!? Dude that's no way to act in public]

3) WTF? Is this really even a problem?!? You can get your [adult only disposable undergarment that doesn't resemble those worn by those whom we are forbidden to mention] diaper in a twist and not associate with anyone you like. But as long as someone is not violating the law they can do as they please. Now I can choose to tell them that I don't approve (see above) - but I would never presume to speak for an entire community and demand that they not participate.

I know a lot of folks here liked and respected Heidi Lynn. I never spoke with them (Not sure what the proper pronoun should be - someone who knew kindly please let me know) but for me at least I think that what she did was awkward and borderline inconsiderate. It was something I would not feel comfortable doing if I had similar predilections. But that is just me, and while the thought of someone acting like that in public unsettles me and I was embarrassed for her, I would never in a million years dictate what she should do with her life and how she should interact with those around her. It is evident that she was valued by many members of our community and as such she if only indirectly enriched the community for me.

4) Taste like truth is subjective. What I like you might not and vice versa. Like truth, who gets to decide what is tasteful and what is not?

As far as the over 40 thing goes. I've been in the online diaper community since 1992 when I first found Alt.Sex.Fetish.Diapers on usenet. Yes I come from a time before there were any commercial ISPs, even before the WEB. You want to talk about improving the community?? You have no idea how fortunate we are to have the community we have now, and it gets better all the time when you look at the long term big picture. Not saying there isn't room for improvement - but our community keeps getting better because it has grown to incorporate a larger embodiment of peoples, cultures and ideas.

You can go and create a little corner all to yourself that only reflects your interests and your beliefs - but rather than an improvement you will have something much less than the rest of have and then what everyone has will be diminished.

[sarah_ab]

I just farted and it smelled really bad.... does hummus make other peoeple's farts smell too?

[curiositykilledthecat]

Notr sure bt Soy based food products make me fart like crazy. The irony of a gf who insists i eat vegan. It's mutual torture.

[sarah_ab]

ohh yeah soy also has estrogen in it..s o don't eat too much or you will grow boobies

[dprtodd]

I hate to threadjack here.... but I gotta say cakefarts are some of the funniest things ive seen in a very long time. perhaps a bit low brow . but absolutely awesome.. TYVM Squash!

[sarah_ab]

thread jacking is ok in certain instances...

like when people are being totally self absorbed assholes...

or when i do it....

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

I think Sarah AB and I both think Darkfinn is a holier-then-thou p-o-s. And we are both under 40, so there goes your whole premise.

[sarah_ab]

lol NA....

[timmyc]

I think Sarah AB and I both think Darkfinn is a holier-then-thou p-o-s. And we are both under 40, so there goes your whole premise.

And as a 40+ I have to side with those two under 40's

[dprtodd]

Way to stay classy yall.

There is plenty of room in the tent for all of us, I know I got a bit frisky in my post, but seriously calling someone a p-o-s and all that jazz is a bit harsh. DarkFinn is being passionate about a community he obviously cares about and while I personally disagree with the direction to which he applies his passion there is no reason to be out right antagonistic. He means well and I believe he genuinely believes he is serving the best interests of everyone. I may not agree - and I may not like it - but his contributions should be welcomed. We can debate with out persecuting. (Hows that for holier than thou?) but for real - let be grown ups (grown ups in diapers). C'mon Naughty and Timmy you guys can play nice can't you?

[Horndog]

I'm not going to even bother reading the previous posts. Too much drama, so much text.

What I will say is that the community has its share of problems like every other community and every other area of interest.

The Catholic community has a problem with sex abuse. The Republican Party has a problem finding a true, consistent identity and voice. Democrats have trouble combating misconceptions about their positions and ideas being based on Socialist and Marxist ideologies. Arizona is having problems with illegal immigration.

Though many people have a niche interest that they subscribe to or loosely follow, people see our community as abnormal. Adults don't act like babies. Adults don't wear diapers. Oh, and seniors don't count. People do not like the mental image that our community provides and promotes. It's just weird, man!

People also see us as being associated with fascination of children (pedophilia) because many people in this community tend to dress and act like children. "Infantilism? Who cares? Grown men and women are wearing diapers! That's what babies and toddlers do! They must really like kids to be that involved."

I look at sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica and Something Awful and I can tell you that the people who operate those sites have a lot of time on their hands, but like everyone else, they don't have enough time in a day to set aside what they do for a living, their errands and obligations to psychoanalyze the community as a whole. It's too inconvenient. Bashing is so much easier and fun! And this is a win-win situation for them because they push the spotlight away from themselves. Who knows that they are into? Hentai sex? Star Wars cosplay? Videotaping themselves dry-humping a washing machine at Best Buy as an employee of the Geek Squad?

People have a negative view of this fetish because we're a very convenient scapegoat. When we condone the fringe behavior of some members, we become the fringe according to people looking from the outside in. If we dedicate too much time to fighting the fringe, then we look like we have something to hide or that we're hypocritical because -- to them -- we're freaks criticizing other freaks for being freaky. We're caught in a Catch-22 and the best solution is to not care what others think and care about those who want to know more about us.

[Darkfinn]

I'll take this piece by piece.

1) No content involving Minors. I don't mean to resort to name calling, but I can't help it. This is just dumb. Sexual exploitive pictures of children are a crime, as is the exploitation of children for purient reasons, and any crimes against children have no place in any community, fetish oriented or not. A story about being a child who wears diaper is not the same thing, it is a work of imagination and fiction, it harms neither the reader nor the imaginary child.

So I take it by this message that you support folks like d e e k e r. As others have pointed out, for many people AB/DL is a SEXUAL FETISH and guess what the stories are there for... that's right, so people can fap to them. This is why I have such a problem with minors being mentioned in any stories, because there is a percentage of the community that treats the stories as porn and uses them for sexual gratification. Personally I don't think any of us should want those kinds of people associating themselves with us. Guilt by association and so forth. By allowing stories containing minors to be posted we are just enabling them and validating their desires.

You gonna ban the girl who talks about that time when she was seven and she wet the bed and that's why she likes diapers now? Shhhh! I think I hear someone fapping to that.

First of all I don't see many real girls participating in the online community at all, it's mostly a sausagefest. The reasons for that are another rant of mine... so I'll save it.

I believe your statement would fall under the qualifications of Rule #2. If it is a true accounting of an actual event then it is fine.

2) Who then gets to be the arbitir of truth? Are you alone going to determine if something is true or not, or are we the community going to determine truth by consensus based on majority rule? That's an awesome idea if you are.

Columbus said:

"Worlds round"

Community said:

"No wai! LIAR! BS ON YOU"

Or maybe we can have a special commission to investigate everyone's claims on the board? First order of business we could dispatch someone to the walmart to interview the cashier that WetNMessy247 claimed to have spoken to in his above quoted post - that way we could see if it really happened or not. Better hope your telling the truth WetNMessy!! If not they're gonna get ya. Oh wait - they don't like what you claimed to have said, so they're gonna get you for that! I guess you're just screwed no matter what. [in all seriousness - WetNMessy if you did tell her that - wtf?!? Dude that's no way to act in public]

I think that many of us have been around long enough and have a big enough brain in our heads that we can read a post or anecdote and determine if it is truthful or not. I've been a member of the "online community" since DPF in 1999 and even then I could read something and decide right off the bat that there is no way it ever happened. I don't like naming names... but WetNMessy's posts are a prime example of this. A: The majority of the community knows that it never happened. B: Even if it did, it falls within the confines of rule #3 and shouldn't be mentioned.

Your "Columbus" anecdote is completely over the top. I don't know of anywhere within the community that we are up to debating game-changing scientific facts. It doesn't happen that way, therefore the comparison is invalid.

3) WTF? Is this really even a problem?!? You can get your ... diaper in a twist and not associate with anyone you like. But as long as someone is not violating the law they can do as they please. Now I can choose to tell them that I don't approve (see above) - but I would never presume to speak for an entire community and demand that they not participate.

I know a lot of folks here liked and respected Heidi Lynn. ...but for me at least I think that what she did was awkward and borderline inconsiderate. It was something I would not feel comfortable doing if I had similar predilections. But that is just me, and while the thought of someone acting like that in public unsettles me and I was embarrassed for her, I would never in a million years dictate what she should do with her life and how she should interact with those around her. It is evident that she was valued by many members of our community and as such she if only indirectly enriched the community for me.

But that is the point... it's about a large portion of us coming together and speaking with one voice that we do not want to be associated with persons drawing public attention to the community. Believe me when I say the Vanilla world would rather not have to think about us at all. This may step on some toes... but what Heidi Lynn did was not proper in my eyes. Remember the old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans." Let's try to live by that, ok?

4) Taste like truth is subjective. What I like you might not and vice versa. Like truth, who gets to decide what is tasteful and what is not?

To simplify it... if I wouldn't be comfortable talking to someone or discussing the matter in a bar, why should things be different online?

I can say "The Abena X-plus is a high quality product that combines comfort and unsurpassed capacity in an affordable package." or "I luvs Abena X-plus because they is faptastically crinkley and holds lots n lots of my pee pee and poopies."

You tell me... which one would you rather read?

My point is that if we want to continue to grow and organize and become more recognized and accepted within both the Fetish and Vanilla worlds we are going to have to clean up our act as a whole. Education and reform are major parts of the role of any society... and I don't really see any of that going on within the AB/DL community. It's not going to happen overnight, and it's not going to be pretty either... but if we really work at it by behaving like adults with some logic and dignity (after all, that is what we are) and speak out to tell people when their actions are illegal, immoral, or just improper we can have our fun and not be looked down on by everyone else as a group of tasteless freaks.

[timmyc]

[curiositykilledthecat]

[jeremy12312]

This was brought up before. Why do you think you are above the rules, and can circumvent the filter to block banned names here? You'll get a lot more support for your cause if you aren't a hypocrite.

And besides, that site deletes content that DOESN'T include minors. If you can't see the difference between the two, I vote no confidence in your attempted coup.

[toon]

Finn, buddy, I understand what your talking about but asking some of us to be not so pervy and nasty weirdo is like asking big corporation to not be greedy. Wetnmessy is a weirdo.

George is a wierdo.....there are alot of weirdos out there....I've seen videos people get their jollies off to seeing girls puke on eachother. People are sick sad and strange its just a fact.

if you want more order somewhere I think you should try fetlife. I'm not saying I dont want to see you around here cause in alot of ways I feel the same as you do. Imposing rules though like you said to do would just be common sense.....and some of these people just dont have it.

I dont think your holier than thou. I think you have vision. You are an idealist, but buddy you gotta save that ambition and moral fiber for your workplace, your church, or perhaps your family because all it is here is entertainment. I mean no offense in saying that I am just being an advocate on both sides. I'm a pompous condescending childish "dude". lol

I think people like wetnmessy are personally repugnant.

I think goerge is our village idiot.

I think Rocker is a well spoken righteous dude!

I think ash and sarah ab are both awesome

and I like you too finn because its important that we all still have someone like Finn around to give out that public service announcement that he does "OMG WE ARE WIERD AND NEED TO CHANGE IT SOMEHOW". It really snaps me back into reality from thinking we were all accepted rockstars of society.

sarcasm? Its my drug of choice.!

*BTW I just wanted to say....I ate a twix bar before posting this*

[Darkfinn]

I dont think your holier than thou. I think you have vision. You are an idealist, but buddy you gotta save that ambition and moral fiber for your workplace, your church, or perhaps your family because all it is here is entertainment.

After reading your post for a third time I just had to come back to this.

#1: I work alone... my nearest coworker is 2200mi away.

#2: I don't believe in religion.

#3: My nearest relative is 2200mi away.

In company sense... I have been sent to "Man the radar station in Alaska." I know it's really SLC but when everyone else is in CLT it might as well be Alaska. Not complaining... I came willingly b/c it offered opportunity for professional growth and a nice raise to boot. It just gives me lots of time to sit and think.

[curiositykilledthecat]

At least tell me you hunt while there? I'd go numb in the skull if I was stuck in the middle of nowhere, especially if there is nothing but snow.

[sarah_ab]

what is slc and clt?

[dprtodd]

I think people like wetnmessy are personally repugnant.

I think goerge is our village idiot.

I think Rocker is a well spoken righteous dude!

I think ash and sarah ab are both awesome

and I like you too finn because its important that we all still have someone like Finn around to give out that public service announcement that he does "OMG WE ARE WIERD AND NEED TO CHANGE IT SOMEHOW". It really snaps me back into reality from thinking we were all accepted rockstars of society.

*is very sad that I didn't get a snappy one line summation about me after I typed lots and lots of stuff in the thread. sniff.*

[jeremy12312]

That's the issue. You ignore the rules you think are stupid. Yet, you want to cast aside the people who think your rules are stupid.

[sarah_ab]

<<< is accepted

<<< is a rockstar

<<< is part of society.

go me!

[dprtodd]

what is slc and clt?

I think they are airport codes. SLC is Salt Lake City and CLT is Charlotte which leaves me betting Darkfinn works for U.S. Air.

[sarah_ab]

ohhhh never been to utah... but from what i've heard salt lake does have a lot of stuff to do... i was just out in charlotte in march.... but it gets to hot and humid there for me.

[Horndog]

I think Rocker is a well spoken righteous dude!

How dare you! I am just as twisted as everyone else. I shall take my random barnyard sex elsewhere. Hmph.