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[lestat20002]

I was watching a video on DD Tube no more than two days ago and there was an awesome video posted that is now gone. The video was of a man in a cloth diaper that was rolling around on a bed but that wasn't what was so awesome about this file. The audio of the file was two women talking about how one of the ladies' son was fourteen and still in diapers. The usual diaper content dialogue ensued... "That's a lot of diapers" "Hopefully he'll potty train soon so I can quit changing diapers" etc... Does anyone know where this audio file came from?? Its driving me up the wall! It was so good and now its gone

I hope I'm in the right section. Im sort of a forum newb. Not my first post but I definately dont have alot under my belt.

[dl_ashlee]

I would assume that with it talking about a minor that it was removed. It is bad to pretty much connect our fetish in anyway to minors, so I say good that it was taken down and hope you don't find it to spread around as people will assume the worst.

[diaperpt]

I would assume that with it talking about a minor that it was removed. It is bad to pretty much connect our fetish in anyway to minors, so I say good that it was taken down and hope you don't find it to spread around as people will assume the worst.

I agree entirely. We shouldn't be connecting ourselves with anything that could be construed as pedophilia. Enough people make that leap in thinking as it is. Leave kids out of this entirely!

[lestat20002]

Apparently my reply disappeared. Or was removed. Which really bothers me. What was risky about the video im looking for? It wasn't sexual in nature AT ALL. There were NO MINORS involved and the sound track that was layed over it was NOT about a real person.

[curiositykilledthecat]

i believe as the other individuals stated it is the connection that will be made by others to minors which is against what almost all of us are all about.

[sarah_ab]

so just because it doesn't contain obviously sexual material, the fact that the people listening to it are getting off makes it sexual.

the fact that the women were discussion a 14 year old child makes it child porn.

[PampersPete]

There's ALOT of blatant censorship on these boards lately,lestat20002...

[lestat20002]

i believe as the other individuals stated it is the connection that will be made by others to minors which is against what almost all of us are all about.

I understood what they were saying completely. And I'm saying it wasn't justified. Nowhere in the material was a REAL person discussed. It was a narrative much like many stories that could be found on THIS SITE.

[lestat20002]

so just because it doesn't contain obviously sexual material, the fact that the people listening to it are getting off makes it sexual.

the fact that the women were discussion a 14 year old child makes it child porn.

Sarah, the women weren't discussing a REAL PERSON. It was a narrative that can be found in many of the stories on THIS SITE. Are we going to delete a third of the story section?

[curiositykilledthecat]

irony... I actually made a thread earlier this year, albeit two weeks ago discussing the ages and stuff on the stories. Not that I want the stuff censored, I just found it creepy.

[dl_ashlee]

I assumed that it was something about an actual 14 yr old and not someone just making up a story.

[Vic]

What difference does it make if the person being talked about is real or fictional? It's still sexual in nature if you get off to it, and it's still (in that case) considered child porn.

The differences then are mere semantics. If you get off while thinking about a CHILD in diapers, well then you have a serious problem, and need to address it, IMHO.

Peace,

Vic

[lestat20002]

What difference does it make if the person being talked about is real or fictional? It's still sexual in nature if you get off to it, and it's still (in that case) considered child porn.

The differences then are mere semantics. If you get off while thinking about a CHILD in diapers, well then you have a serious problem, and need to address it, IMHO.

Peace,

Vic

Thats not fair at all Vic. I'm not "getting off" while thinking about children in diapers. God, It's so offensive that people keep suggesting that. I just want to scream obscenities at you people. Seriously, i wish I could punch you in the face through the internet. Its THAT insulting.

I, like most people on this board, like to imagine myself as being younger or at least my own age but having never been potty trained. The people who created the audio file did so in an attempt to aid myself and others in making the imagined scenario more real. When I'm listening to audio files like this I'm imagining that the women are talking about ME. Whats wrong in thinking that I'm a fourteen year old in diapers? I can imagine myself as being any age I want thank-you-very-much. The majority of the people on this board, most likely some of the previous posters included, have imagined themselves as being much younger. The whole point of the audio file is to create the illusion that the women are discussing the LISTENER. Nobody suggested getting off to kids in diapers. God i dont even like to type that comment out. It simply gives you negative people more steam.

[lestat20002]

Man, it just bothers me that people on this board assume so much and are so negative I just want to pull my hair out. You negative people are contagious.

And please, would you all stop mentioning that word on this board? It makes me cringe each time I see that word or phrase mentioned. For people who supposedly want to avoid being associated with that kind of thing, you sure bring the topic up quite a bit. Do any of the previous posters have any tact? The more you mention that kind of thing on this board, well meaning or not, the greater the odds of people associating this site with that kind of thing. Its called the power of SUGGESTION folks. Its not your place to go on a freaking witch hunt. The moderators of the board can deal with any situation quietly as they see fit.

I mean come on, 10 or so replies and roughly 8 or so were not only NEGATIVE but also included some mention of the word, phrase or situation in question and thats in THIS POST alone. Seriously, are people that dumb?

I think pamperspete was the ONE person who didn't immediately jump to conclusions and reply in a negative fashion.

[Vox]

It should go without saying that the clear intention of that video in question was to stimulate the listener by stimulating their imagination into perceiving themselves as the hypothetical teen. Whether or not that "teen" was real or not is no matter of semantics, but rather one of essentials. Pornography is an action of some sort which takes place in the empirical world; be it literal sex, drawings, writings, etc. The mere act of perceiving in one's private imagination is not itself pornography. So, as there was no actual child present in that video, there couldn't be actual child pornography. But that video wouldn't even qualify as adult pornography itself given the absence of any and all sexual activity or nudity, so even if it was a 14 year old, it would not be pornographic since it isn't porn in the first place- regardless of age. Rather, that's what is called bad taste or unsavory in some circles but only "child porn" in those of vigilante lunatics.

If anything is inherently defined as "of a sexual nature" provided only that one gets off on it, well, in that case there wouldn't be anything which wasn't of a sexual nature. Fetishists above all should know that what is sexual to a few is innocuous and mundane to most all. The contingent possibility that some person on the planet may receive sexual gratification from something doesn't therefore define said thing as pornography. Porn can't be defined so broadly and ambiguously lest we end up jailing shoe-retailers world-wide for their objectification of children's feet as models in their advertising.

And by the way, for all who are paranoid that Joe Schmo in his condo in Idaho will connect abdl's with child-porn based off a video with an adult "playing" a 14 year old; just know that you are already condemned as pedophiles in the mind of anyone so dense by the mere suggestion of diapers on adults in the first place.

[Vic]

Thats not fair at all Vic. I'm not "getting off" while thinking about children in diapers. God, It's so offensive that people keep suggesting that. I just want to scream obscenities at you people. Seriously, i wish I could punch you in the face through the internet. Its THAT insulting.

First, I didn't see in your posts that you were SEEING YOURSELF as that fourteen year old in the womens conversation. Yeah, some on this board like to imagine themselves as being babies or children again in their fantasies, and I guess that that's okay for them to do so, even though I don't understand that myself. My childhood is something I would NEVER wish to re-visit.

When I grew up it was called discipline, today it's abuse, I had so much discipline when I was growing up that if it had been done today both my parents would be in prison. No I don't picture myself as an infant or child, and have never had a desire to do so.

As far as my seeing two women talking about a fourteen year old in diapers, on a diaper site (which is a sexual site for many, otherwise it wouldn't be posted as an "adult" site) I still think that it is creepy. Maybe it's my own experience in life that has changed my opinions about what I see as "cool" or really "creepy".

You see I had a friend who had two daughters, and I never thought that much of it, until one night they were taken away by DFS, he told me that they'd been taken because his house was a mess (which it was), but this little light came on in the back of my head, and it said "whoa something ain't right here".

We were drinking that night, and I didn't say anything then, but went home and slept on it, thinking things would be clearer in the morning. When I woke up the next day I still had a nagging suspicion about it and was just getting ready to go down to his house to find out for sure when a detective from the police showed up and asked me if I knew anything, I told her "no, but I'm going to find out, and when I know I'll make sure that you know". Then I went down to his house and confronted him.

I gave him a choice, tell me what was up, or go to the hospital. He confessed to a lot of crap that made my blood boil, it was really, really sick. After he told me everything I drove him to the police station and took him in to see the detective where he gave a full confession. That was thirteen years ago, he'll be up for parole in about four more years.

My brothers and I were physically and verbally abused by my parents, but my Dad did one better on my sister, he MOLESTED her as well. ANYTHING that I see as involving children IN ANY WAY raises a great big RED FLAG for me. You say that you imagine being the subject of those womens conversation, okay, I can live with that, but you should make yourself clearer when you talk about it.

As far as yelling obsceneties at me go ahead, you can't give me anything I aint heard already, but as far as punching me in the face through the internet? Hell even though I'm more than twice your age I'll be glad to give you the opportunity in person. I'll be in Colorado next summer, that aint far from Oklahoma, hell I did my boot camp at Ft Sill, you don't wish or threaten violence against me as I tend to take that personally. It riles me, and I don't like taking crap like that off of ANYBODY.

I've lived too damn long, and too damn hard to have some young punk threaten me, got it?

Go have sexual intercourse with yourself.

Vic

p.s. if you'd like to know more of me go to www.heidilynnsworld.com and look under vics mix

[gweg]

SNIP

I've lived too damn long, and too damn hard to have some young punk threaten me, got it?

Go have sexual intercourse with yourself.

Vic

p.s. if you'd like to know more of me go to www.heidilynnsworld.com and look under vics mix

Vic you need to cool down as does lestat20002. I have been reading this thread and you are a little off on what is child porn and what isn't. you and others have insulted lestat20002 and his life. He got mad about it and I can see why so perhaps some need to go read up on the law and what constitutes child pornography. Just a few suggestions for all to quit bragging about their exploits and cool down.

[tris]

Oh boy. . Who's got a Thread-J? Anybody? Anybody?

It would appear that Lestat is an astute observer, and looking to make a big entrance to our forums. Gang, let's be a little more welcoming -- For starters, he uses paragraphs, proper grammar, and has no blatantly visible spelling errors. I'm not taking his side, because he seems a smidgen too aggro for a newbie, but let's just let him have his opinion. Really, I think he's just pissed off cuz he can't locate the clip he really wants . . . I know all of you get a lil' cranky when your favorite material isn't to be found. .

[lestat20002]

Oh boy. . Who's got a Thread-J? Anybody? Anybody?

It would appear that Lestat is an astute observer, and looking to make a big entrance to our forums. Gang, let's be a little more welcoming -- For starters, he uses paragraphs, proper grammar, and has no blatantly visible spelling errors. I'm not taking his side, because he seems a smidgen too aggro for a newbie, but let's just let him have his opinion. Really, I think he's just pissed off cuz he can't locate the clip he really wants . . . I know all of you get a lil' cranky when your favorite material isn't to be found. .

Thanks for the compliments regarding my writing, but did you read the previous posts? Pissed off because I didn't find the material I wanted? Any other time I would applaud your attempt to douse the flames, but several people accused me of being a pedophile and one person tried to arrange to meet me to fight... I'm not going to sit by and let people slander my name without coming to my own defense. Accusations like that would anger anyone on this board and I take them very seriously. Especially in this community... Everyone here knows what it's like to be judged UNFAIRLY by people who won't even TRY to see things from your point of view. Besides, if I don't defend myself then the reputation sticks, and if the reputation sticks anyways then at least I did what I could.

As for Vic... I'm at a loss for words on that last post of yours pal. You're a real piece of work... You gave me a sob story about your life and your "reasoning" behind judging me unfairly and, in the same breath, tried to give me the macho routine. First you cry about the cards life has dealt you then you flex your muscles. You have a severe case of what we in the country call "small man syndrome." You don't need to feed me some BS about boot camp then try to arrange a meeting to fight to prove to me that you're tough, alright? I get it, you eat nails for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... or whatever. "You've lived too damn long, and too damn hard to have some young punk threaten you" eh? Yeah, real tough Vic. I think John Wayne said that once... to his horse... when he was drunk.

I chuckled just now, do you know why? It's because somebody tried to arrange a "fight date" with me once. It was in middle school... he wanted to meet at the playground. Are you sure you aren't twelve? My predictions for the future are that Vic will press the "fight date" issue.

[lestat20002]

You know Vic, I DID go to your area on heidilynnsworld.com. About three paragraphs down you talk about respect and giving people common courtesy. Having never met me before, did you give me these things Vic?

Let me make a few quotes from the material.

"There seems to be a total lack of respect for others here." I agree. One manifestation of lacking respect for another is labeling them something when you don't know a THING about that person. Another manifestation of lack of respect for a person is using them as a punching bag to vent your frustration about problems that occurred in your own past. Problems that they had NOTHING to do with. I'm not responsible for your past buddy, so stop making me a target for your frustrations.

"When you are talking to someone(online or in person) you need to give them as much respect as you want them to give you." Your first post towards me was so disrespectful it was like a punch in the face. According to your own words, wasn't my lack of respect for you merely what you EARNED?

"We are a rather small community." "When people turn others off by being rude and inconsiderate, it hurts our whole community." That we ARE Vic. And that it DOES. I wonder how much bigger our community would be if we weren't destroying ourselves from the inside by rabidly judging complete strangers. Doesn't make us seem too approachable does it? When people are RUDE and INCONSIDERATE it hurts our community doesn't it? Did you even stop and THINK about how it would make me feel being accused of "getting off" to children in diapers?

I hate to tell you Vic, but you declare one set of beliefs and you practice another.

[tris]

I'm too lazy to link to my own posts from the summer of 07 when I first joined here and had much more time to post and make a name for myself, but I'll say that this guy sounds alot like I did then. . I vote we keep him. He'll cool out in a bit. Give him time.

Lestat, playing the DA (Devil's Advocate) around here doesn't earn you much cred -- believe me, I know. I first started by arguing my view using Objectivist standpoints on various subjects, up to, and including, advocating that a member take his own life. This didn't go over very well with many of the members, and a couple of the mods. My warning level still sits at 20%, as a result. Also, this is the internet. Much like real life, you can't take it too seriously, so don't get all riled up about 'defending' your own online honor. Besides, we're here to have fun. If you're not having fun at DD, this place can get pretty sucky. So, like I said: Cool Out.

[diaperpt]

Gosh, it seems this thread has turned very, very personal. It is now all about the individual's rights to see what they want to see, act how they want to act, etc. I've got no problem with that at all - in the privacy of your own home. If you're a pedophile, I hope you get caught and prosecuted, but that isn't what's going on here - I don't think.

What is going on, however, is that several people here seem to think the people who put up a site ought to cater to their own personal needs, wants, desires in spite of what the site owner feels is proper. Make and watch whatever videos you want. No problem. I think the problem is where you don't think a site owner has any right to protect themselves by self limiting (ohh...nooo...'censorship'!!!) what they allow on their site.

Go ahead; see the world through your own eyes the way you want to see it. Just don't turn around and expect the rest of the world to see it as you do! I personally think there are some people here who feel that should happen and I don't think that this pattern of thought is very reasonable at all. You hide that point of view behind the concept that we need to be accepting of others whose point of view doesn't match ours, but then twist it into they've got to ACCEPT your point of view no matter what it is. That's where it turns back inward to an egotistical 'its all about me' point of view.

If I had created a website and found people posting things I thought were inappropriate - putting me and/or the site at risk - I'd see two options. One would be to remove the 'offending' material - offending in MY view, not the poster's view - and two would be to shut the site down. If any of you out there want to dictate what goes on a site, what stays and should be available, my suggestion is to set that site up and run it yourself. I have no interest, no talent, no time in doing that, so I'll just enjoy what I can of the sites that do exist and will try to be respectful of the owner's rules. Just my point of view, here...

[Vic]

"There seems to be a total lack of respect for others here." I agree. One manifestation of lacking respect for another is labeling them something when you don't know a THING about that person. Another manifestation of lack of respect for a person is using them as a punching bag to vent your frustration about problems that occurred in your own past. Problems that they had NOTHING to do with. I'm not responsible for your past buddy, so stop making me a target for your frustrations.

Here we go, said the pot to the kettle "you're black!!". Lestat I already said that you hadn't made it clear in your posts that you were imagining yourself as the said fourteen year old who was still in diapers. From what you can read from other posts on there you can see that others were just as confused.

So I said that that should be made clearer so that mistakes like that would NOT be made. Other people on the board said that the audio/video was probably gone because it COULD be construed as child porn, and I agreed because I felt that listening to the narrative people would envision a fourteen year old child in diapers. I didn't think that they would be envisioning themselves AS the fourteen year old.

So does that clear that up?? Are we clear on that point? I've never pictured myself as younger than what I am in any of MY diaper fantasies, so listening to an audio file like that I would probably think that the women were talking about a child, not me. If you imagine that they are talking about YOU and finding it arousing then, like I said, we're cool.

Now as for the pot calling the kettle black, labels....yes, labels. Short mans syndrome? Macho man? Hypocrite? Well I guess that all of us are hypocrites at one point or another in life, but I digress. You say that I wish to cry about my past, when what I was doing was telling you why I don't ever picture myself as a baby or child in my mind, it's just not the thing I do so far as diaper fantasies go.

However I was saying a little about me to give you the background where you might understand why my thinking may differ from yours (you see yourself AS the fourteen year old, whereas I would simply assume they were talking about an actual child). I could have said a lot more about my past, but just said enough to let you see where it was and why it was that my thinking was so different than yours.

I'm not beating you up over my frustrations about my past, I don't believe in that, I was merely trying to let you see my viewpoint. It is hard for me to get past some of the things in my past, I've lost my youngest and oldest brothers in the last twelve years, and that is directly linked to the way in which we were raised. But I don't believe in "beating someone up" over it.

As far as throwing labels around, you my friend are as guilty as everybody you mention here in this thread. People in glass houses... At least I do have the courage to use my real name, and I reply as honestly as I know how to what it is they have to say. As far as fighting words go, well when someone says "I wish I could punch you", well I wish that they could too. It just pisses me off when someone says that not knowing a damn thing about me or who I am, so it makes me wish that they could be here with me so that they would have that chance.

So I hope that this clears a few things up for you, so you can get over this negativity and move on. This board is supposed to be about enjoying ourselves as someone here has stated. However in the future if someone is going to talk about underage people in diapers I do hope that they clarify that it is a vision that they have, and that it is themselves they are talking about, and not an actual child.

Peace,

Vic

[timmyc]

I agree entirely. We shouldn't be connecting ourselves with anything that could be construed as pedophilia. Enough people make that leap in thinking as it is. Leave kids out of this entirely!

Just playing devil's advocate here (not being a jerk). So in that vein shouldn't you consider changing your avatar?