[Total bladder incontinence requires plastic pants?]

I usually wear two pairs of plastic pants and wouldn't dream of wearing a diaper without them.  For me, being diapered is about feeling secure and I like a diaper that's tight and leakproof (as far as it can be).  I'd feel very insecure and anxious without plastic/rubber pants and often wear the knee length plastic bloomer type pants.  These don't prevent diaper leaks but if it does leak you'll feel it running down your leg rather than having wet patches on your clothes.

[If you have achieved incontinence how do you feel.]

I wanted to be incontinent but didn't have the patience or commitment when younger to really stick with it.  However, that gradually changed and I've been incontinent now for several years.  There have been moments when I've regretted that, but they're only moments, fleeting and inconsequential.  I feel very balanced and centred and content.  It was the right decision for me - although I don't see it so much as a decision and more as a development.

[I want erectile dysfunction and a small penis.]

It's an interesting topic and one that started to fascinate me about 10 years ago when I began to dislike having erections and preferred to remain soft, small and impotent.  To achieve that, a chastity cage worked very well for me.   Erections became painful to experience - at first it felt like my cock was on fire and was going to pull my balls off, but you have to get through that.  Erections started becoming weaker and less frequent and nowadays I have perhaps one or two erections a month and use a microcage which is very comfortable for me.  

[I want erectile dysfunction and a small penis.]

get a chastity cage.  there are plenty out there that will make an unwanted erection feel painful.  After a while, particularly if it's what you want anyway, you'll find you rarely achieve a good erection.

[Hint of Diaper]

So objective harm could be done to a person due to what they're wearing so they shouldn't wear it?  Women shouldn't wear short skirts in case they get raped?  Men shouldn't wear traditional female clothing because the might get beaten up?  Men shouldn't hold hands in public in case someone get offended and hits them.  It's just victim blaming.  None of these victims have harmed anyone else by what they're wearing.  The public uptights have been offended by women campaigning for the right to vote and by ethic minorities demanding equality.   The people who want to maintain the status quo are those who do well under it.  For the disadvantaged and oppressed, victimised and marginalised, passively challenging the status quo as people may do with their appearance, is sometimes the only way to effect social change.

[Hint of Diaper]

How can displaying underwear be co-opting a public space?  I'm not particularly keen to see the underwear of others or display my own but if others want to sag their jeans, what possible rational difference can it make to me and my life?  Fulfilling the predictions of the uptights is hardly an embarrassment.  They are the ones who ought to feel embarrassed about prejudiced attempts to limit the freedom of others to dress as they wish.  It's absurd that in this day and age, making assumptions about people based on what they look like is still be being used as a way to limit their freedom.  Someone wearing a diaper isn't a sex offender, someone in a gimp suit isn't a sex offender.  They're not doing anything to anyone and forcing them to hide away isn't combating that sort of prejudice.  It wasn't that long ago that being gay was seen as a massive problem and socially corrupting.  Now we know it's quite possible to be gay, lead a country, be a nurse, be a parent, be your neighbour and friend.  Why should it be any different for fetishists?

[Therapy Helps]

A good therapist can certainly help if you have issues of guilt/confusion about your needs.

[Hint of Diaper]

On 3/30/2022 at 5:58 PM, Little Christine said:

It does not matter: First; You are dealing with individuals relative to whom you are not telepathic so you have no way to know how they will react. Second; it is on you to not push your thing on others regardless of what they may or may not think or do. This hss all the earmarks of looking for an out. The giveaway is "While I appreciate" "could" , "but" and other forms of the conditional (hoping for an alternative to act as moral permission) voice. Also, otherwise, it would not be asked in this context

What a person wears isn't imposing anything on others at all.  This is just an extension of Victorian prudery and religions that force people to cover themselves up, prevented 'decent' women from wearing trousers and punks from piercing their ears with safety pins.  If I see someone wearing a diaper or wandering about in a rubber bondage suit, what difference does that make to me?  None.  Hopefully at some point, thought sadly not in my life time I think, we'll live in a world where people will be able to wear exactly what they want without fear of being judged or assaulted.

[Working in cloth diapers]

18 hours ago, rusty pins said:

First, if you had a boss giving you trouble or issues of any kind you could report him for violating disability laws.  I'm not sure how that works in the UK but in the USA you can't be harassed by your employer for having a disability as long as you do your job.  It's nothing but a bigoted response from an ignorant bully who shouldn't be in that position.  That doesn't mean a boss won't get in your face and harass you about other things in order to get around the fact that he doesn't like that you wear diapers.

I urge anyone who is incontinent and wears diapers to talk with the HR department where you work if your company or workplace has one.  They are supposed to have your back, they also are much more aware of all the laws and regulations including for people with disability and laws regarding harassment.  You needn't tell your boss or coworkers (unless you feel you want to), but giving the HR department a heads up on your situation can really head off problems as soon as they start.  They will keep it quiet but HR can put an immediate stop to any problems with your boss or coworkers as far as your incontinence and they are worried about lawsuits that you could file for harassment related to your medical issues.  Should it happen and they do put a stop to it, they will also have a good idea that any further harassment for any "other reasons" are probably related to your incontinence, especially if there were no issues with you prior to the boss finding out you wear diapers.   I work with people in wheelchairs, current and past jobs.  Harassment of any kind won't be tolerated by the company.

It was a small business with dodgy dealings, and I needed the money.  So no HR, no real internal process or governance so really quite difficult to deal with that sort of situation.  In summary, my boss found out I was incontinent, thought I might piss all over one of his office chairs, so replaced it with a hard plastic one.  When I complained, I got the old one back and the seat had a plastic cover taped over it.  I had to put up with alot of 'banter' and pranks and in a way, was sort of complicit in that, by laughing along with it.  However, my current situation is different and I don't see that sort of thing happening again fortunately.

 

[Working in cloth diapers]

12 hours ago, rusty pins said:

I think it depends on your own personal situation.  You are incontinent.  Are you pretty privet about it or do family, friends and coworkers know?  If so, do you ever talk about it or is it a taboo subject?  How would you feel openly talking about the fact that you wear diapers with friends or coworkers?  Lastly, how do you think you would feel if wearing your diapers to work would be very obvious to others due to the bulk.  Would you rather keep a low and discreet profile among others?  As you mentioned, cloth diapers have increased bulk and would be a lot more obvious.  Would you be comfortable in that situation knowing just how bulky you looked?  That's pretty much what one area of it comes down to, how comfortable you would be if coworkers all knew you were wearing bulky diaper.  

Next, even though you would probably still need to take a change or two of diapers with you to work, how do you dispose of your disposable diapers now when you need to change?  In the restroom trash can, openly or bagged up and buried discreetly deep in the bin, or do you pack them back home with you to dispose of them in your own trash cans?  With cloth diapers you would either have to bring your days worth of wet (or messed) diapers back home with you every single day, or throw them away leading to big money and filling the landfills.  Another thought, you would need plastic, PUL or some type of waterproof cover over cloth diapers adding even more to the bulk.  Cloth diapers don't often last quite as long as a premium disposable diaper before needing to be changed unless you wear them pretty thick to last longer, again making them much bulkier and more noticeable.  Cloth diapers also feel a lot wetter than a disposable that has SAP and padding designed to lock away the wetness.  You might get to feeling uncomfortable in a wet cloth diaper after a while, same as babies who wear cloth diapers do.

Just things to consider when you make your choice.  Only you know the ins and outs of your incontinence and how you feel around other people and coworkers about your incontinence and need to wear diapers.  If you are more open about it and really don't care if others know and notice, and if it's not a problem to change cloth several times at work and carry the wet ones back home at the end of the day, try it for a few days and see how you are able to manage.  Give some thought on how you may have to do things differently to bring your cloth diapers in to work with you (brief case, back pack, tote bag, etc,) and how you will bring home the used ones safely without them leaking out (big plastic bags you can put them in).  It very well may be you will have to bring more cloth diapers in for multiple daily changes than fewer disposables that can do the same job, and cloth might be thicker and take up more room in whatever you use to bring them in to your work with you.  Can you bring your backpack, tote bag, whatever into the restroom at work when you have to change diapers without drawing unwanted attention to yourself?  Last, what about any odor from wet cloth diapers by the end of the day?  Whatever you use to bring them home with you has to be water tight and air tight so no one smells a urine soaked cloth diaper.  If that means big plastic zip lock bags, remember that is one more bit of plastic going into the landfill at the end of the day, so would that even things out in the long run?  Disposable diaper in the landfill or plastic zip lock bags to put your cloth diapers in every day when you change?  That's not even factoring in the water and detergents used each and every time you have to wash a load of cloth diapers. 

I'm not sure what you do right now at your workplace.  If you wear a disposable diaper, how many a day do you use while at work?  Maybe one premium disposable would last all day until you get home.  If so, try cloth diapers at home first and see how long one will last before you need to change.  If you try multiple layers or thicknesses of cloth diapers until you get it to last for as long as the disposables you normally wear, how much thicker is the cloth diaper combo?  About the same, thicker, or so massivley thick as to make them impractical to the point you waddle or can't get your pants up over them.  That can give you a clue as to how many cloth diapers you will need each day or how many times you will be changing them compared to a good premium disposable diaper.  We all want a green planet, but sometimes maybe we need to compromise a little in some situations.  Conserve and recycle all that we can to help make up a little for the disposable diapers we may have to wear at work if it comes down to it.

Thanks for taking time time to write such a detailed response Rusty Pins. 

Some people who know me know that I'm diapered.  After an initial surge of interest on finding this out, it's not an ongoing conversation.  I had a pretty bad experience at work in a previous job when my boss found out I was incontinent and want to avoid that happening again of course, but at that time I was using disposables anyway so I guess that, even if you're trying to keep it hidden, some people will try and make something of it if they find out.  Having been through that experience I'm rather more resilient now so coworkers knowing wouldn't be such a big deal as it was. 

You raise significant issues regarding the practicalities and I think that may well prove to be the biggest stumbling block and the environmental impact of using cloth may, as you point out, not be as significant as I'd hope. 

I tend to use one diaper a day at work but use disposable pads which I change a couple of times a day and have spare diapers in case I need them.  It's a good plan to try and work out how thick the cloth diaper would need to be to match the disposable although, in typing this, I think that perhaps the way forward is for a cloth diaper with cloth pads, but as you point out, that means more bulk.  There's not an easy answer!

Thanks again. 

Christian

[Working in cloth diapers]

4 hours ago, Ferix said:

I wear cloth regularly to work. I work from home so it makes it easy to manage wearing cloth to work.

LOL.  Maybe I need a new job!

4 hours ago, ValentinesStuff said:

I have one or two times, but the odor is much more noticeable with cloth diapers.

Yes, that's a concern.   I man i chatted to the chat room who wears cloth most of the time said he dealt with this by using an additional pair of very large plastic pants that seemed to reduce the problem.  Of course then you have extra bulk, though marginal, so I guess, as with all things, there's a positive and negative.

9 hours ago, oznl said:

For the last 15 months that I held an office job (before COVID took it) I was diapered at all times.

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply  oznl.  That's useful info.

Christian

11 hours ago, Diapered Dave said:

I wear cloth diapers at night for my bedwetting, and disposable diapers in the daytime.  I DID wear cloth diapers during the day a few times when I was on vacation, and I noticed I could smell the urine much faster than I could with disposable diapers. 

That's like me.  Generally cloth and night, disposable in the day.  But I sometimes wonder if, when you're incontinent, you're much more aware of the smell, in the same way your much more aware of the bulk, and nobody else actually notices.  

[Working in cloth diapers]

Do any of you wear cloth diapers to work?  I'm increasingly concerned about the environmental impact of disposables and, although I sometimes wear a cloth diaper and waterproof pants to bed or just at the weekends, I wear disposables for work or going out somewhere for the evening.  I've never really worn cloth to work - partly because of the practicalities and partly because of the much increased bulk and the increased risk of leaking.  If you wear cloth diapers for work, how do you deal with these issues?

Thanks

Christian

[Working in cloth diapers]

Do any of you wear cloth diapers to work?  I'm increasingly concerned about the environmental impact of disposables and, although I sometimes wear a cloth diaper and waterproof pants to bed or just at the weekends, I wear disposables for work or going out somewhere for the evening.  I've never really worn cloth to work - partly because of the practicalities and partly because of the much increased bulk and the increased risk of leaking.  If you wear cloth diapers for work, how do you deal with these issues?

Thanks

Christian

[What did you say when some asked why you where wearing cloth diapers?]

You're unlikely to be asked why, even by people who notice.  If you are, you could reply, 'It's none of your business,' because it's not anyone's business but yours.  But if you're too nice to be that blunt you could just say you have health issues which is an all encompassing vague phrase.  If you want to wear 24/7, go for it.  Don't be put off by what other people might think or ask because 99% of them won't think or ask anything.

[Wetting without realizing: What’s it like, how long did it take you to get there?]

I have a constant dribble so never have a full bladder and wet without realizing all the time.   It's like Babyboi91 says, forget about it.  When I'm at work and concentrating on other stuff my diaper just fills up and I don't notice it happening.   

[Has Anyone Here Actually Succeeded at Making Themselves IC?]

Yes.  I did it.  I used self hypnosis recordings and patience, and also commitment.  It's a long term process with all the set backs and failures and difficulties which are an inevitable part of that journey.  However, it is totally possible, though I suspect rather irreversible without a similar level of commitment.  You have to work at it but it does get easier, but it doesn't happen overnight!

[If you could turn back the clock – which of your diaper-experiences would you change?]

I'd change the time I wasn't allowed to wear diapers.  Sometimes as a boy I wore at night if I was feeling anxious or stressed because that made me wet myself.  My parents would recognise the signs and put me in a diaper, and that was OK.  One summer I stayed with my Uncle for 2 weeks and he said I was too old for diapers and if I wet the bed he'd give me a good hiding.  Of course this just made my anxiety levels shoot up and inevitably I wet the bed.  My uncle was true to his word, and for the next two weeks I got my behind tanned every morning (so you can imagine what it looked like after 2 weeks) and, more to the point, if didn't work!

[Training to wet at night]

I found this really easy once I'd decided I wanted to do it and made a commitment to doing so.  I used hypnosis files and also saw a hypnotherapist which I think helped alot, but also practical steps like making sure you protect your bed, ensuring you have plenty of fluids and have practised wetting lying down, on your side, front and back.  It's important to be relaxed about it - if you try and force it, it probably won't happen.  You just have to relax and eventually it will if it's what you really want.

As others have said, it's important that it is what you really want, because you will find it more difficult to be in control of your continence afterwards and will find yourself wetting without even noticing it.  This could impact on personal relationships and your employment.

[Henleys PVC Pants]

I've used Henleys, though not for a few years.  I used to use them alot.  I wore them with a pad and then wore regular underpants over the top.  I didn't know they were still going.  I'm going to get some.   

[24/7 incontinence - how I did it.]

I've read quite a few posts here about people who are, like I did, making their way towards full incontinence, and I thought I'd share what worked for me about 10 years ago.  

Briefly, my desire to be incontinent was driving me insane and getting stronger - I was totally obsessed with it and was spending huge amounts of time thinking about it and browsing online at sites that dealt with it and the obsession was negatively affecting my whole life, making me feel very depressed and desperate.  

I tried some hypnosis recordings which didn't really work for me, but they gave me an understanding of hypnosis and NLP and I decided to put some time in to making my own.  I felt that the generic recordings available to buy weren't personal enough to break through deeply ingrained psychological barriers.  So I bought a book, did some research, and went to work.  

The main elements of success in self hypnosis are putting yourself into a relaxed deep trance and making sure that the commands you give yourself, both to get into that state, and then to modify your behaviour, are clear and desired.  If you don't want to do something I can't see any amount of hypnosis having much of an effect, so be very clear about what you want to avoid any mental conflict. 

I made multi track recordings using online sound recording software.  If you're not familiar with what this means, basically it means you can record different sounds and different volumes and then play them all back at the same time.  It's not difficult to use and you soon get the hang of it.  So I multi layered sounds and music that I found relaxing, nothing with words.  For me this is rain and a ticking grandfather clock and waves rolling in on a windy beach with a piano played aimlessly in the distance.  I added some sounds of my childhood  (songs and TV themes) and from periods of my life when I was very happy and content.  These were very low in the background so they were barely perceptible.  I don't think it really mattes what it is but simply that it's sounds that you find relaxing, that will take you to a place mentally where you can be secure and open to linking letting go of continence with happiness and not anxiety.

I used my own voice to record the hypnosis commands and prompts - when you first hear your own voice like this, it sounds odd and distracting so it that it won't work at all, but you'll soon get used to it and won't notice it anymore.  Again, you have to think about what will work for you.  How can you be drawn into a deep trance which leaves your mind open to implanted thoughts.

The important thing with the commands is to make them clear, short and repetative and to have them going on constantly in the background as well as being prominent.  You can reduce the volume so that they're barely perceptible, but you're still hearing them.  It's really important to write yourself a proper script that you practise and read from at a steady pace so that you're not stumbling around the words.  It doesn't need to be much as repetition is so important.  Don't try and do too much at once.  If you're an AB you probably want something much more complicated than a DL like me, but it's better to concentrate on one or two things rather than 20. 

You need to use your name alot with the commands so that it's very clear to your unconscious mind that they're for you, and to use language that has strong meaning and association  for you.  They need to be words that you feel comfortable with.  For instance, I'm sure some people will be more responsive to words associated with obedience and others may need more encouragement or coaxing.  Again, you need to find what works well for you. 

When I used the tape it was important to be wearing a nappy but equally important to be able to relax totally, so if diapers turn you on, you're probably better not wearing one and putting on something less sexually stimulating but that you don't mind getting wet.  

Your environment needs to be somewhere you find comfortable and not distracting, so turn your phone off!

The point of doing this is to find a way of making it work for you so you'll probably have to experiment.  I was amazed at how quickly it worked for me once i'd done a bit of tinkering and it's amazing what your mind can do if you can get deep inside it.  I think that if you really want to be incontinent, it's probably not difficult at all if you can find the right state mentally.  You are just helping yourself to do something that you wanted to do anyway, and to be the person you feel you are.  My aim was to become incontinent, dependent on using incontinence equipment, and to deepen the sense of shame and embarassment I feel about it in specific circumstances.  I also programmed in a trigger phrase (known to a couple of people I know and trust) and personal imagery which will, in ordinary circumstances, make me feel a desperate need to urinate, even though incontinence means I never usually feel like that.

As with all things, there was a bit of a price to be paid and I became a bit less secure around my bowels.  I'd never wanted to be incontinent in that area and it was a bit scary to find that the self hypnosis was having this effect.  I tried to fix it on the recordings, but it didn't really work,  so now I just take care of that end of things with enemas and I've been clean as a whistle ever since.

Doing this is quite an investment of time but I'd reached the point where the investment was worth it for the sake of my mental health.  

Practical things to bear in mind:
you'll have to be diapered 24/7, which isn't cheap
you'll have to be diapered around your family and friends which may cause upset
you may have to tell your employer
you may find some activities more difficult (I like to play tennis), especially if they involve changing in front of others
you'll always have to carry a bag with a spare in it
while most people are sympathetic or don't care if they find out you're incontinent and wear diapers, you may encounter mockery and name calling and feel ashamed, so you have to be committed to this as well.  If you have doubts if this is right for you, hypnosis probably won't work very well.

It is worth persevering.  I found quite difficult enter trance when I first started, but now it takes seconds and the effect has been completely positive.

[Shirts that show ABDL interest]

I like this idea.  I'd buy one, though never try and design it (unless you wanted it to look like it was designed by a 4 year old - now there's a thought!)

[East Midlands U.K. (Friends Wanted)]

I'm in Notts.  Happy to meet up.

[Daddy available in Midlands for littles]

i'm notts based.  happy to chat online or phone about this and meet if we decide we want to.  

[Informing employer about incontinence.]

My boss called me into his office and said, 'Is there anything you want to tell me?'  At first, of course, I thought I'd done something wrong at work, but then he asked if I had any medical issues I needed to discuss.  We dodged around the issue for a minute or two but then it became clear what he meant and I said I wore diapers and he said he's realised but just needed me to confirm it.  That was it.   

Until the next day when I got into work and my normal office chair had been removed and replaced with a hard plastic chair.  I went in and spoke with him.   He said he didn't want to have to pay for another one if I 'pissed all over it'.   I explained of course that it didn't work like that and he agreed, reluctantly, to give me my chair back.  When it came back the seat had been covered with a black bin liner that had been taped on!  Of course, the whole situation led to questions from colleagues who were sympathetic, but also thought my boss had a point.  He also pointed out to me, in front of 2 other guys, that as I didn't need to use the toilet I didn't have any reason not to be at my desk unless it was my lunch break and perhaps  it would boost efficiency if everyone wore diapers. which got a laugh from them.   It was difficult for a few months as I couldn't get another job so just had to put up with it.  Nobody was nasty or mean, but there were alot of jokes and banter about it.