My my do you peoples like fighting, kind of reminds me of my cats, but on the other things. The problem with incontinece is that there is a social stigma attatched to it, that most others will never understand unless they are there. To me I find it like explaining my combat experiences to civilians, it sounds exciting but unless you've been there in a simular situation you will nerve understand. After being incontinent and needing diapers for the last 13 years and having people attack me before that because I was different I've gotten to just ignore the idiots and realized, that you can't change others, unless the are will to let you change them, and you don't have to agree to their reality. It's my life and I can live it like I want and the rest of the would can go pound their head on a rock. "All alone or in twos the ones who really love you walk up and down out side the wall. Some hand in hand and some gather together in band, the bleeding hearts and artist make their stand. And when you've given it all to the awsome, stagger after all it's not easy banging you heart against some mad buggers wall." Roger Water.