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I use a Pampers Extra Protection size 6 with the sides ripped away, and 20+ small holes poked in the back with a sharp knife. Fits very well in Tranquility ATN, or Molicare Super-Plus (has very high leak cuffs) comfortable and works really well.

You don't say where you are and your profile doesn't say it. From your writing style and the Depends reference I assume you are from the USA, in which case the type of Tena Slip you get is better than Depends, but unlike the European version doesn't have leak barriers and is much less comfortable. In this case, the Attends Extended Wear would be your best bet, close to Euro Tena quality, probably the best US diaper. You may also be able to get the Tranquility ATN, it's surprisingly comfortable and effective especially if combined with a booster (Pampers Extra Protection 6 with the sides ripped away, and 20+ small holes poked in the back with a sharp knife works great).

It doesn't work yet, but the experimentation is very time consuming since electrode placement seems to matter a lot, effect takes a while (more like facilitating than triggering so far). Also, individual anatomical differences make reproducing experiments amongst such a small group somewhat tricky. If you want to see technical, start reading some uropharmacology textbooks and journals :-) There are pharmacological techniques ranging from botox to some psychiatric and cardiovascular medications that do work, but the hazards and (other) side effects are pretty bad, it would be irresponsible to encourage their usage knowing they can get someone in real trouble. As far as I know, there is no magic pill yet.

Actually for me it's a bit the reverse. Much of my life is about creating order out of chaos, while under intense pressure. I see the "losing control" as a pressure relief valve. I have noticed the need for that loss of control seems to increase during heightened stress periods. Maybe a way to get back to being a kid with less worries and so on.

No Sir, nothing "procured" here There is no way that I'd want to involve anyone with the mask and so on. Even with a pulse oximeter handy (and knowing how to use the gear) the small risk of a big mishap much outweighs the benefits. I too have seen several people reaffirming Darwin's law with various medical devices. I have most definitely been adventurous in my misguided youth -- mix many hundreds of hours studying pharmacology, physiology, clinical hypnosis books and journals for "extra credit" in the university's medical library, and trivially easy access to prescription medications... But, I still shudder about some of the crazy stuff I did all in the pursuit of that elusive yet crushing fetish. Now, older and a bit wiser, I strictly keep it to the (quite) safe, continue doing my research, and hopefully can share the safer, useful tidbits here. That N2O thing really is a walk in the park compared to some of the techniques I've seen here and on other similar sites.

Many other countries like Canada, most of Europe and Africa do not regulate nitrous for recreational use, or the laws are not enforced as in the UK. It's the same as for cathethers and syringes, in some countries you need a prescription, in others they are freely available in any medical supply store. What you are referring to is administration with a mask, this is indeed dangerous if not done properly with supplemental oxygen and a trained administrator. But most people who do this for fun simply rebreathe N2O from a party balloon while sitting or lying down in a safe place, so there is simply no risk of asphyxiation or injury from a potential fall. If you have a bit too much, the balloon simply flies away and you wake up, likely with a soaked diaper if you follow my suggestions. But my goal here is not to do an apology of any specific substance, I simply wanted to share something that was of obvious interest to this forum's readership. if you want to try it, do your research and make your own decision just like anything non-routine that involves your mind or body.

I understand that some people might be unconfortable with "drugs". But seriously, some perspective is needed here... The potential harm and likelyhood of it is much, much less with N2O than with a hacked Foley cathether. Come on folks, you can get in real trouble from a urinary infection. Yet this technique has garnered 9+ pages of comments, and it's mostly improvements in the method. Anyone with some real medical experience will tell you that while probably fun to try, it presents some very real risks like the balloon rupturing, the cathether breaking, urethral trauma, plus of course infection from non-sterile technique compounding the urethral trauma potentially caused by silicon or latex asperities around the extra hole. And that's not even addressing keeping an open circuit for many hours. In hospitals Foleys are never left open like that. And most cathetherization is intermittent, done with straight cathethers withdrawn as soon as the bladded is empty, so as to minimise infection risks. Some people will get addicted to goldfish gazing, but N2O is a very well known substance. It's been widely used in non-therapeutic settings since the 18th century, and is much less addictive than alcohol. Alcohol is frequently discussed in these forums, without incurring such emotional reactions. Same thing with zapping your tender parts with electricity... So again, any of these experiments (reality check here -- this forum is "incontinent DESIRES", within a diaper fetish site -- it's not for "normal" people :-) are up to you to entertain or not. Do your research with reputable sources, then make up your mind. No one is forcing anyone to do anything here. And Bettypooh, as to "ways to change perceptions or to enhance them", that would have to include breathing techniques, Jacobson's progressive relaxation method, yoga, and yes -- prayer. In the end it's all about balance, courage to face your demons, and keeping the things and people that really matter close to your heart. You can lose your soul and family to workaholism or a marathon running addiction just as much as to booze.

Before trying this, please make sure recreational use of nitrous oxide is legal for you. It is where I live, but I am aware of places where this can get you in trouble. For the specifics, Erowid and JustSayN2O will be useful. This being said, on a hunch I tried some nitrous on a very full bladder, and the result was quite interesting. We're talking full enough you're having trouble holding it, and obviously proper protection is a must. I suspect adding a whiff of isobutyl nitrite could have synergistic effects. Anyone tried this? Have fun

The AP (air plus i.e. cloth) version is actually more comfy than the PE (plastic), and doesn't have pinhole leaks. It looks babyish enough if that's a criterion.

Some more experimenting over the holidays, unfortunately not much success. I however found a very interesting document about blocking external urethral sphincter activity via electrical stimulation. The probes they use are transcutaneous and it's on cats, but it does give some hints re. proper frequencies, signal shapes etc. http://nnr.sagepub.com/content/23/6/615.full.pdf PubMed searches about pudendal nerve electrostimulation look promising.

PaddedPat: the Suprima PU pants are very comfortable, long lasting, and kinda stretchy. I like model 1204, personally I find it cute, even got one for my GF for the rare times when she wears.

Try the link database on ABKingdom. It's a French site and has lots of links to other French sites http://www.abkingdom.com/link/?sort=9

Terryfighter I don't really get the Cardinal reference, but wrt the rest you can check any one of the anatomy resources widely available on the net, they will provide far better illustrations than I can. In a nutshell you are trying to locate one of the electrodes where you feel maximum tension when you are contracting your external urethral sphincter. The other would be somewhere above and to the side of the tailbone. Check Wikipedia for a good drawing explaining pudendal nerve location. It's probably better you experiment further rather than simply try to reproduce what I did, since my results are very imperfect. This way we can all advance the level of knowledge for this group.

I experimented a bit, and while so far unable to actually trigger urination, I found that after a 30 minute TENS session, it's much easier to have accidents. This is possibly due to muscle fatigue, or mild anesthesia that is actually one the TENS's intended therapeutic effects. This effect seems to last less than an hour. This is with one electrode over the perineum, and the other either over the sacrum (trying to work on the pudendal nerve), or above the pubis. While still early to ascertain best placement, for the perineum I tried to place the electrode closest to the levator ani (close to the prostate). Definitely more work required, but it's promising so far...