Linus

do you mean this one?

Hahha, how nice, really cool pair of parents you got there. Lovely to hear, they really support you with that. My parents know and are cool with it, but i dont go that extent of showing them my supplies in detail.

I did, thanks a lot

Now I am curious, Is it available for reading? I would be interested in that. Now I am curious, Is it available for reading? I would be interested in that.

I dont really understand, in which direction your question is going. If you wanna untrain your potty skills, then just do so and wear diapers 24/7. What exactly is holding you back in your current lifestyle to do so?

Hey you all hypno enthusiasts, I am looking for a file, that can help with my unpotty training. I am wearing diaper 24/7 now for many many years and would like to take the next step and make myself more diaper dependant. So I am doing all the usual stuff that is recommended in the 12 month program. But I am still looking for the right hypnosis file to support this. Maybe someone of you has a tipp for me. I am struggling with all the files, that just say "you are in trance now, you will wet yourself unconsciously"; because, well .. I still feel my bladder very strongly and I simply cannot trick my mind that this will go away magically. So this really isn't working for my mind. I am looking more for a reassuring file that is working on two levels: reassuring that i do identify myself as incontinent with all the consequences; e.g. I always say to myself, if you feel the urge to pee, when you are not wearing a diaper(like after the shower before diapering), you have to still keep your sphincter open and just pee on the floor. YOu are incontinent, so you will always keep the sphincter open, you will always wet yourself, even without a diaper. But there is still a psychological barrier that is holding that back, until I am safely diapered again. As soon as this is the case, I start wetting almost automatically. So it would be great to have a file, that is supporting me with just wetting wherever I am, wether in a diaper or not. focussing on the physical aspects of the unpotty training. I try to keep the sphincter open at all times, but sometimes this is hard,sometimes at the end of a pee, I cannot help but to clench, unconsciously. And I would be looking for a file, that is focussing on that sphincter area, and let me focus to specifically relax this area, encourage me to keep it open all the time, and tell me something like "you cannot not control your sphincter, so just leave it open, you dont even have to try to control your sphincter, because it will not work. So just relax". I think something like this would really help me to advance with my training. I hope that anyone of you knows files that go in this direction. I would be hugely thankful. I have some files from wohermiston that go in this direction, like the Bladder relapse file. I quite like this, and even though I listen to it regularly, I feel it doesnt fully do the trick for me.

There are two things that I do for that and they are somehow related. First, I do pelvic floor relaxing exercises / yoga to loosen up the whole area. To me that helps to keep things loose down there, especially after finishing the peeing that i do not unvoluntarily close the sphincter in a semi-automatic clenching,. There is loads of different exercises (mainly for women, but work equally good for me as well.) on Youtube. I use a 20 min Yoga exercise. Secondly, I do use diaphragmatic breathing before and during peeing. This helps me, to breath away the strong urge for peeing, which would result in me pushing the pee out actively. I'd rather want it to come naturally in a slow stream, so not pushing it out, just let it flow out. So you have to learn to differentiate between how it feels to pushing it out and just letting it out naturally. The breathing helps with that And if it just naturally flows out, there is much less likeliness for me to clench after I am finished.

yes, I definitely do not overdo it. Thanks for your kind words. I am at around 4L now that I drink per day, in little sips spread over the whole day. And that is also something I did quite a lot in the past and actually may body feels really good with that amount of fluid intake.

thanks for the reminder. I drink the tap water (germany) and was always under the impression that there is no problem getting enouigh salt and minerals. Generally I also eat quite salty; so i guess I will be fine. But thanks again, If I feel any cramps, i know where it comes from.

Just a quick update after the night. So I went to sleep after drinking 500ml. I was falling asleep while listening to one of those hypnosis tapes and was waking up again after around 40min. I was a bit desoriented but realised soon, that i felt the urge to pee. And as during all evening I wasnt really able to hold it back and also had no interest. So I let go and just wet into my diapers. The same happened again around 1 hr later again. After that I slept through till around 7 where I woke up with just a mildly filled bladder. Usually after waking up, I feel my bladder is very full. This wasnt the case this time. So the question is, why that was. Maybe I peed so much in the first two wettings, that there was just not much fluid left to fill my bladder again. Theretically it could have also happened that I wet my diaper in my sleep without knowing, but I highly doubt it. And it is impossible to say for sure, because the diaper was wet anyway. So there is no way in saying, If there was another wetting between 1 and 7 o clock. Today in the morning, it feels pretty much back to normal. I drank my normal amounts with coffee and some water during my morning workout. . So in total I am at 1L now and do not feel any extreme urges yet, definitely not comparable with what I experienced yesterday evening, where it really went into the diaper just with 10 sec warning or so. I am still thinking about repeating the experience today. It will be much harder, as it is a day in the (home) office. So it is mainly sitting today and therefore less easy to do the procedure.

thanks for your thoughts; this all sounds like valid views. Maybe a person with medical background can confirm your thoughts. I guess risk of infection is indeed the biggest problem , in case the state of remaining urine would become permament. One question about your bedwetting. Is it only occuring, when you did the procedure, or is your risk of bedwetting also increased for every night?

Hello and thanks a lot for your helpful message, Firstly I have to say that against my former scepticism, after I read your message I spontaneously decided to give it a go today. We were on a field trip with the kids with much walking around, so i thought it is actually a very good opportunity to give this a go (especially compared to a normal day in the office). Just coming back from the trip like 2 hours ago, I can share some of my experiences and compare them with yours. sounds interesting and after the effects I have seen today, I understand why you make that estimation. I actually agree that it also trains to leave the sphicter open. That was quite surprising to me. After I did clench to stop a urination, and the immediate urge was gone, i released the sphincter almost immediately and automatically. I can second that. I had a situation just sitting in front of the TV where I felt the urge rising and it took not longer than 15-20 sec until i couldnt hold it anymore and a spurt escaped, repeated by more spurts. I tried to stop, but really struggled. I am not 100% sure, if I was fully committed to stop the stream, or if I enjoyed the state of control loss, so I let it happen for a bit longer that absolutely needed. But it was definitely not a voluntary wetting. I also had the feeling, that I felt that sensation of a dribbling. For this I need to wait for tonight. Of course I am very excited if this could really happen after trying this for just one day. And I am realistic enough not to expect this. But of course this would be something really amazing. I will definitely make sure to drink enough fluids before heading to bed and als track how much i wet the diaper prior to sleep. Usually I wake up 1-2 per night to wet. If I would sleep through all night, that would be a strong indication, that there was a bedwetting; and of course the wetness of the diaper. .. well, lets wait and see. I will report tomorrow morning about the status. So the bedwetting for you happens just after the procedure, or does it also have a long term effect on your night continence in general? I think after 3 hours in (and around 1L of fluid intake during that time), I experienced the first time a situation, where I had a first involuntary spurt happening. That was an interesting thought and was probably the argument to convince me. I already spent 7 year in diapers 24/7 without loosing control (though as described there are some effects, that probably fit the status of others that are doing the 12mo program for a couple of weeks / months). A shortcut especially for bedwetting would be great. I find that I can very easily relax the sphincter over the day and till evening, it really comes naturally and with some breathing techniques, I can reduce the feel of urge and with the sphincter relaxed a slow and naturally feeling voiding starts very quickly ( that I would expect also from some forms of incontinence, not sure if I my expectations are correct here). During the night, my bladder holds more and voiding in lying position is more difficult, especially if the pressure in the bladder is already higher. So when I get up, it feels that everything is very tight down there and automatism and natural voiding seems gone. So every night is kind of a fall back for me. If I could become a bedwetter rather earlier than later, I think my overall progress would be much quicker. How long does it take to get back to normal. Are you also following the 12mo program and keep the sphincter relaxed at the days where you dont follow your procedure? Thats well put. It took me substantial effort of clenching the sphincter. The sphincter just seemed to be stuck in the "open" status and even though I really wanted to close, I could only do it after serveral seconds and it also felt like pulling a huge lever from one position to the other. When it finally closed, it did it very noticeably, much more intense, than the normal feeling that you, when a pee ends. So, really an interesting day with a lot of new experiences. thanks a lot for that. I am still really excited about that experiment and kind of hope to feel the consequences tonite and tomorrow. I am also a little afraid if there are any severe consequence to my health. I mean yes, developing an urge incontinence is a consequence to my health. But that is my goal, that is what want. But of course I do not want to harm my kidneys or anything else in the urinary tract where the consequences go beyond incontinence. I read that you can develop a detrusor-sphincter dyssynergia, when stopping the wetting process. And this could then as well create damage in the urinary tract. Not sure, if this actually happens really when following this procedure,but it sure sounded a bit worrying to me, and was dampening my enthusiasm a little bit. I mean would not plan to do this procedure over weeks and months. It is more like a 1-day thing, or maybe as you said 3-4days maximum, but as I have no medical knowledge, I can hardly jduge, how quickly something can create permament damage or cause an infection or anything. Did anyone has any experience on the medical side with this procedure? Best, Linus

Hello Bonsai It is my goal to become incontinent and yes, also to become a bedwetter. I think both go together. If my bodies holds pee over night for a long time and subconsciously clenches my sphincter, it will also by daytime probably never really use control. So, i definitely want those things. I am looking for an incontinence that is actually getting rid of the urge, so that I can wet without realising that I actually have to go. So thats why I am just following the usual suggestion to keep my sphincter as relaxed as possible, keep it open and when the urge hits me, it just needs a breath or two and I am starting wetting. When I am drinking regularly in small quantities like 100ml every 30min , I will wet in almost the same frequency, sometimes even more often. I would say every 15-30 minutes. So it feels that I already get the urge when only small quantities are in my bladder. What do you think. Is this the right interpretation. Your suggestions sounds really interesting, and i am very tempted to try that. It just feels, that it is the exact opposite of what I do right now. I am worried that with this exercise I will strengthen my sphincter, which will actually prolong the whole process of loosing control and wet without noticing. Can you maybe explain a little bit more about your idea? I got some specific questions about it. - how long should this excercise take. is it just for one wetting or a full day - how does it fit together with the 12 month training program and the concept of leaving the sphincter open all the time - How often would you suggest to do your exercise? - do you know in which way this would weaken the detrusor muscle. I do not really know much about functionality of the detrusor, but would like to undertand why the exercise acutally makes the bladder capacity smaller. - Will the urge incontinence that follows, result in painful urges, rather than an incotinence, where you would wet without noticing an urge? I know it is a lot of questions, and I do not expect that you or anyone else can actually answer them fully. But it would be very helpful for me, if I have some more details. So thanks for taking the time As written above, I am already at a point where I wet evey 15-30 minutes and also holding for an hour if I drank more than 500ml seems tricky. To me it sounds I am already getting near the area of an overactive bladder. So, i generally drink rather a lot to feel good and healthy. Seems that 3-4L i can manage easily and seems like a sweetspot for me. So i try now to drink 100ml every 30 min plus some extras like coffee in the morning or an extrabit before bedtime to ensure, that my nighttime diaper doesnt stay dry. This bring me to around 4L. I hope I can establish this as a routine.

Hi there, I kinda feel, it is time to make a real attempt now. But I am not sure how to do it exactly. I read a lot and got some ideas, but still got some questions. Hope you can help me with some experience. I am in diapers full time already for some years but never seriously attempted to become incontinent. My bladder seemed always quite strong. I could hold it for a long time, If I had to. So if I felt the diaper was reaching capacity, I subconsciously hold back from wetting until I had the chance to change. I guess thats the reason, why I never got anywhere close to the point of loosing control. Since I am in home office since 2 months, I felt that I didnt hold back so much, because, leaks wouldnt be an issue and changing was always possible. I feel the effect. I dont think at the moment I would be able to hold on forever. I did a bit of a test, was drinking like 700ml of water, and then going for a walk for an hour without a diaper and see if I come back dry. I felt the urge after 10-15 minutes, and tried to hold back. It worked at first and I continued my way. But when I did a bit of a pause, the urge came back, and I couldnt fully hold it. A spurt went into my pants. It wasnt that much, but still more than a few drops. This released the urge for a bit, but after another 5-10 minutes the same thing happened again. I couldnt really hold it back and the pants got wetter. I didnt fully loose control, just a bit at a time every couple of minutes. So it seems my bladder is not as strong as it was before. Before some time, I think I would have been able to hold it easily for the hour. And I feel, I want to do this next step now, really becoming diaper dependent, not just wearing 24/7, but having to wear, or face the consequences of accidents. For Daytime wetting, i wanna shrink my bladder and let the sphincter relaxed all time (find it quite tough to do sometimes). I can wet sitting, but it is not so easy, not naturally. When standing I feel the urge and can easily let it just happen. So I thought, the best way to ensure the bladder can empty is to stand up once in a while, like every 30 minutes and see if i had to pee. Maybe this conditions my body to empty the bladder, as soon as I stand up. My big question is, if I should drink a lot during the day , say like 300ml every hour, or just normal amounts. I am a bit unsure because, if i drink a lot, that would also mean, my bladder fills quickly and in the 30 mins of sitting, the bladder would fill much more than if drink a normal amount like 2 liters a day. So, basically, If i drink a lot, my bladder will hold a larger amount of liquid and therefore will not shrink as quickly as it would with a smaller amount of liquid. So I actually tend not to overdo it. I think, drinking 1-2 liter over the day would still fill my diaper, but every 30 min, it would maybe just a dribble coming from my bladder, so that my bladder could shrink really quickly. What do you think, am I right with that? Linus

Actually, there is a lot going on in Europe. I think, the reason why it is not published in this community is, that most european AB/DL are mainly in their country specific communities where it is easier to meet people from their own area. In Germany we have two large communities with more than 4000 members. (windelnet.net / wb-community.org) We do regular weekend meetings (around 6-7 per year), and monthly munches in the big cities. We also do international parties in Berlin twice a year (JAN+JUN). If you are interested, let me know. Then I know from an active french community on Abkingdom. But I dont know any details, as my french is really poor. In Skandinavia, there is Camp Bloja in Sweden which is managed by Dl-Boy.com. I always wanted to go to London and visit ABC Club, which is a monthly regular meeting. Isn't it a pity. There is so much going on everywhere in the world. But it is so difficult to find whats going on where. Shouldn't there be a website, which lists all ABDL events worldwide. Would be great.