[3 month diapered trail run]

If this is your first time spending an extended period of time in diapers? If it is congratulations!

A few things. Don't get discouraged if you spend a week or a month and want to be done with it. For me there was a definite transition mentally of DL that wears for pleasure and occasionally vs diaper wearer. When I started wearing 24/7 I also had not yet worked through the negativity that had built up around diapers from childhood. That will rear its ugly head if you are not prepared.

I would also recommend not pushing it if you do get tired of it. Make it a positive experience and however long you make it will teach you a ton about your relationship with diapers and why you are considering incontinence. If you do decide to end it early what will probably happen is you come rushing back in a day or two wondering why you ever quit.

Regardless of your experience. Good luck! Sounds like it should be a good time.

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[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

16 minutes ago, Diapered Dave said:

And remember the MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT MEXICO!!!!

Don't drink the water. 🤔😣😳

Will be incontinent in all the ways!

 

38 minutes ago, Reddy said:

No plastic sheet, but I'll have to be careful.

Are you talking about a plastic bed sheet? Plastic is so dang hot. BUT they make breathable bed pads. I have a couple like this and absolutely love them. They are big enough that you don't have to worry about rolling off and leaking off the side. Also big enough to double as a changing mat in a pinch.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F7NLHDS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

3 minutes ago, Reddy said:

Yeah, I have over 1000 diapers at home 😂 It's kind of ridiculous and I don't have room for all those boxes.  I'm actually looking forward to eliminating a lot of my supply.

I have a couple cloth diapers that I can cycle through.  And plastic pants.

I don't have any onesies but I might not want them.  I'm not too worried about concealing peakage at my waist, but I want to deal with crazy bulges, so I will need to get bigger pants.

I'm just a DL.

I need to prepare for diaper rash and chafing!!  Good thoughts.

 

Onesies help with more than just peaks. They also keep everything in place, suspenders for diapers, especially as they get full. Another option is compression shorts. I am a big fan of Champion compression shorts. they are stretchy w/ out too much compression like Under Armour.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

3 minutes ago, foreverdl said:

I will say you have done a lot of research . But if it was me and my body is me. I would do almost anything else . 

I have no problem with you thinking that this train of thought is crazy. But what I can't figure out is why you feel the need to spread patently false information to dissuade others?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

3 minutes ago, foreverdl said:

And yes DAQ. I will say again if you have a surgery on purpose that is a do harm surgery they will do as little as possible so they will not be sued

I am talking about walking into the ER with something like a post op infection or urethral stricture blocking urine flow. They will absolutely help you.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

@foreverdlwhy wouldn't a hospital treat you? I must admit my ignorance but is Healthcare so cutthroat that they will let people die because they didn’t have the work done here? Is it a warranty issue?

[Nay Sayers]

5 hours ago, superabsorbantpolymer said:

Seeing as the operation is performed on people with urinary retention/overflow incontinence, I wonder how feasible it would be to get a less than competent urologist to sign off on that diagnosis and get the same operation legitimately. Once you're "in the system" as a urological patient, diapers are expected and further revisions to your resection to increase flow would probably be forthcoming. Just a thought...

You would probably be better off finding a psychiatric professional to acknowledge that you are psychologically incontinent and that it is safe and beneficial for you to seek incontinence and then find a doctor to perform the surgery. I have read many a story of urologists desperate to preserve "normal" function against the wishes or autonomy of a patient who was suffering from something like urge incontinence which is much harder to deal with than drip incontinence. Would probably be trivial to find a plastic surgeon willing and capable of doing it though.

[Alisa's Adventures In The Diaper Dimension - Chapter 40 Added 8/6]

22 minutes ago, chi90504 said:

How do I see the chapter?

There was a situation where many posts from before a certain date. Unfortunately this story was one of them. However, Princess Potty Pants has a blog where it is posted.

https://princesspottypants.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/alisas-adventures-in-the-diaper-dimension-chapter-1/

[Nay Sayers]

11 hours ago, spark said:

I firmly believe that incontinence-seeking surgery is self-harm because the outcome is a body that doesn't function as it should.  The body's hardware is changed and no longer retains urine.   Plastic surgery and tattoos do not change the way the body operates.   Even with SRS, the body is still doing the job it was designed to do.   An extreme example would be somebody with amputation dysphoria who seeks to have their leg amputated, which does happen.  I would assert and would hope most would agree, that amputating a healthy leg is self-harm.   

I also have a lot of medical professionals in my family and know what I expect from a doctor.  The surgeries we've mentioned have loads and loads of research and have been performed many times.   We're talking about an unproven surgery that is rarely performed.  I don't want somebody performing a pioneering surgery on me unless I'm going to die otherwise.   I also have medical professionals in my family, so I know what I want with a doctor.  I'm not letting anybody cut into me that I don't trust.  I don't trust a doctor who would perform a procedure that hurts a body's function and require them to defend their decisions.

I'm wondering if you and I are in a similar place with bladder control, but I'm happy where I'm at and you're not.  FTR, we come from very different places with our potty training experience.  I don't remember much of my experience other than I peed my pants a lot.  I don't remember my mom getting mad at me, but I do think she resorted to diapers on occasion.   Somewhere around my fifth birthday I just stopped peeing my pants.  That could be why I'm happy where I am now.   For instance, I've wet my diaper probably 8 times today, and it's wet.  I'm not ready to change it, but I bet a caregiver would.    But I know every single time that I pee, and I still know that I'm going to pee.   I don't call it a struggle, but I know I'm about to pee.   If I want to go to the bathroom, I can, but I'm not.  

So while I personally do not want to amputate my own leg. I would be a hypocrite if I called that self harm. I would call it self harm if they did what so many people that have BIID that is centered around an extremity do and resort to extreme trauma. When I was doing research into it after learned the name of the condition I read stories of people resorting to power tools or laying an arm or leg onto train tracks. I think a clean amputation in a surgical room is preferable. And much the same way I am doing it, with a consultation with a psychiatric professional and thoroughly discussing it, who am I to judge? And if the doctor who will perform the surgery for you does not require the signoff and you are 100% sure then go for it. Bodily autonomy is central tenet of a free society.

I think by definition SRS renders the body incapable of the job it was designed to do. And definitely the "body's hardware" is changed and no longer serves the function it was "designed" for. Our sole function biologically is to reproduce. If nothing else being an ABDL and having incontinence needs/desires has been a humbling factor in my life. Who am I to judge people on their wants and needs.

The surgery is not unproven and it is not rarely performed. It is rarely performed for this purpose and rarely together. Transurethral resection of the bladder neck and Transurethral resection of the prostate are performed on people who have problems releasing urine for one reason or another. They are researched procedures that have very real therapeutic benefits. Now both of these surgeries carry the risk of incontinence when performed with out the intent for incontinence. I will grant you that I can not find any information regarding re-sectioning of the sphincter external.

I have been trying to figure out what I have found frustrating about your posts. And the best I can figure is that I feel you think that you somehow have the morale high ground by wanting to or becoming incontinent through untraining vs surgical means. At a certain point the results are the same. After some time the muscles all atrophy to a point where they are completely unusable and no longer do the job they were designed to do. Kaliborio has a blog where they discuss retraining after a period of time after incontinence is achieved. It is a fairly small window and sometimes completely unstoppable once a certain threshold is reached. The muscles/nerves have atrophied and that person is incontinent for life. Vs surgery all the muscles are just rendered useless in a procedure.

I feel like you are splitting hairs. If you took two people not part of this community and told them two people in from of them are both incontinent, but one had surgery and the other's muscles atrophied with disuse by choice do you think that they would make some sort of distinction? Same outcome, different catalyst. If that same person who wanted to amputate a leg put it in a cast to render it completely useless for a period of 2 or 3 years, their muscles would atrophy and at some point the nerves will as well. A very similar outcome with out the knife.

[Nay Sayers]

4 minutes ago, oznl said:

Not that I'm in a position to recommend (I had one put in for a medical procedure and hated it) but have you ever tried catheterising yourself?  I guess that's one way to try before you buy if your sphincter refuses to play ball.  Whilst I was indeed, absolutely incontinent catheterised, my stupid bladder would not stop spasming which kept me awake (that and everything else that goes on in an ICU whilst they tell you to "get some rest" 🤣)

I have. And I tried stents when I was younger. I stopped the stents when one of them got stuck and I thought I was on the way to the ER but luckily it came out after a half hour of gentle repositioning and pulling. 

 

I tried catheters a few times and found them unbearable after a short time. Don't know if I had the wrong size, wrong type or what not but the couple times I got them to work was.... blissful. I stopped trying them after I read somewhere that they can cause scarring in the urethra and make it even harder to pee. It's funny, looking at a surgery to permanently make me incontinent and the thing I am worried about most is a 5 day stint with a cath🤣

[Nay Sayers]

8 hours ago, spark said:

It begs the question what will happen to you mentally when you have accidents randomly with no control?   That subconscious part of your body is still there.  The trauma is still there, and you will feel it when you wet yourself. 

Ya, you're right. I suspect that had I gone through with the surgery without addressing any of these past traumas I would have been pretty miserable. Assuming I would have had the courage and self determination to do it in the first place.

8 hours ago, spark said:

What you're telling me is that you've never peed in the toilet for four years, and yet every time you've struggled to pee.   FTR- it was a struggle when I tried to use makeshift diapers.  Once I accepted that my diaper wouldn't leak, it gradually got easier.  While I was using diapers intermittently, I had to pre-wet the diaper and it was only easy when I was standing.  

I didn't say I haven't peed in a toilet for four years. I have worn 98% of the time for the last four years and only ever not used a toilet for pee when I threw my hands up in the air in frustration and say "Fine, if I can't be incontinent, I'll just be "normal". And yes, after four years, I don't wet the bed, I don't leak and dribble, I can't even just relax, let go, and pee.

8 hours ago, spark said:

I don't know how somebody can struggle to urinate every single time for four years without seeking help, however, I don't think self-harm is the answer.  I believe any doctor willing to perform these types of surgeries is unethical, and I have questions about going to the facilities that are willing to perform such surgeries.  Those surgeries would be extremely risky, and not performed often.   On top of that, you still aren't guaranteed the outcome you desire.   Even if the surgery is successful and you are incontinent, it might not be what you thought it would be.  

Frankly it didn't occur to me until last year sometime that I had made no progress or if anything worse now than when I started. It has only been in the last few months after starting therapy that I started to pull on this string and how it is all connected.

I find it pretty funny calling a surgical procedure self harm. If I wanted to transition to female, get a tattoo, or implants of some kind would that be self harm? I think anyone from the outside looking in would call any way of becoming incontinent self harm. Surgeries performed anywhere are not without risks and sterile surgical environments are not that hard even in horribly dangerous countries like Mexico that scores in the top third of healthcare systems around the world right after .... let me check my notes, 2 spots below the US. There are inflection points in life. A before and after and no one can tell you how the after really is. They can describe it but so many things in life have to be experienced to know. I may regret it but I would regret more not trying.

 

8 hours ago, spark said:

I'm just some random dude on the internet, who happens to share your desire to pee in diapers.  Maybe mine is more akin to becoming unpotty-trained, which I don't think is the same thing as being incontinent.  In my case, I can use the potty, but I choose not to.   I do poop in the potty because poo is yucky (little kid talk is intentional there).  I also don't react to my wet diapers and need an adult to make sure I don't stay in one.  However, that adult is also me.  You don't need my permission to do it, and it doesn't matter whether I believe you or not.  My advice for people planning to pay $20+K for a risky invasive surgery that is designed to harm your body is to include an independent mental health professional on your team.

Frankly I don't care how I become incontinent. I have tried unpotty training for four years, that option is out. I am trying hypnosis nowto work on my mental blocks and direct suggestions. Also, I have mentioned therapy at least twice. I have a mental health professional. I told her on my third visit because I knew we couldn't even begin to discuss the problems I was having without addressing this. I thought it would take weeks or months to get a letter of recommendation for full incontinence but I think she could see this a firmly held belief and causing mental anguish.

[Nay Sayers]

On 1/12/2024 at 12:06 AM, spark said:

I don't mean to call you out, but I don't understand how you can say that you gone 24/7 and every drop as been a struggle.   I  have put a lot of pee into the toilet over the last 4 years, but 90% has been in a diaper.  Sometimes it is easier, but sometimes I need to think about it.     That's with me peeing in the toilet when I know I can and have to.

Are you doubting my experience or that I am lying? I don't know why I can't easily pee in a diaper. Like I said in my post, my best working theory is that I was traumatized by potty training (I have not heard good stories) and several high profile accidents as a kid and I was re-traumatizing myself every time I peed or started losing any modicum of control. So it didn't matter how much I consciously wanted to lose control. The thought terrified me uncounciously

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

2 hours ago, Reddy said:

I haven't heard of any location in Thailand yet.  Just this one in Mexico.  That's not to say there aren't any.  It seems a little easier to travel to Mexico (I'm in the USA).  But I bet you are right.

This is the clinic that several members have gone to here in this forum right? IDK, personally I would feel much more comfortable knowing the surgeon is reputable and paying a few more dollars then getting ??? in Thailand. Not saying that those surgeons aren't capable or safe but I would want to talk to previous patients in a situation like this.

[Nay Sayers]

2 hours ago, spark said:

I find it funny when the effort to stop the desire for incontinence by sharing the obstacles to being 24/7.   It focuses on cost, the need to always have diapers on you, and the requiring changes in public.   First, I'm already 24/7, so I know exactly what it is like; especially how it affects my life.  I know how many diapers I need on a given day.  I'm fortunate that I don't have a level where I'm peeing every 15 minutes, but it's about once an hour.  It's something that I've already understood and accepted.  

However, I do have an issue with the sub-group that is encouraging posters to do something unsafe.   I think considering giving an unregulated medical professional a lot of money to perform a medical procedure that purposely harms body parts is unsafe, and not wise.  It is not something that should be encouraged in any way.   I think if that's where you are, there is something deeper going on and the permanent incontinence isn't going to help as much you think.

There are ways to train yourself to be incontinent, and it is far safer than harming yourself.    To put it simply: just wear a diaper and use it.  Eventually, your brain accepts that the diaper is where you pee and poo go and you are no longer potty trained.   By the time that happens, you've already experience life as a 24/7 diaper wearer and will know whether it is right for you.

Going to disagree as someone who is seriously considering doing this very thing. No one is encouraging anyone to do anything. No one said, "hey you, you need to do this" or "you should totally do this". They posted about their own objectives and goals as well as how they were going to achieve them. Frankly surgery, even ones performed in areas that are not state of the art or what not is still far less dangerous than some of the things I have seen people do around here. Extended open catheter use, home made stents, deliberately causing damage to the bladder and urinary tract. I have seen posts about UTIs, Urethral bleeding that lasted days, ER visits to extract stents that migrated into the bladder. None of this is normal and in any corner of the internet that was dedicated to wearing diapers and more specifically incontinence itself you would be told to immediately seek psychiatric care.

Lets be clear within this niche part of the community there are still sub groups. There are people here fantasizing about becoming incontinent (not calling you guys out. Keep doing you!), people who are entertaining the idea, people who are actively seeking non destructive methods, and others who do not feel complete unless they are physically unable to ever hold urine again.

Anyone who is actively seeking this has a condition defined by the DSM5 and being redefined in recent years. DSM5 calls it BIID, Body Identity Integrity Disorder and some linking it more recently to a more broad Body Identity Dysmorphia. Go look it up. Look at the treatments. There are ways to lessen the "symptoms" there is no cure. Because it is not something to be cured frankly. The people who do not feel whole by being whole are beyond your judgement or "help". And chastising anyone for posting their experience while actively addressing any questions and concerns someone has is so contrary to this forum in my opinion.

Going to get less ranty and more personal here. I have been wearing 24/7 for 4 years. FOUR YEARS, with out a single drop of urine leaving my body without me struggling to get it out. Not everyone can be trained to use a diaper by passive use or even active training. After months of therapy I am fairly certain that my desire for incontinence stems from potty training being beaten into me while simultaneously causing trauma every time I had an "accident".

This desire for incontinence coupled with the world's most stubborn bladder has lead to a host of mental health problems. Most of which stem from feeling like a failure for not being able to do one of the few intrinsically motivated goals I have ever had. This lead to clinical depression diagnosis. I have been left with this need for incontinence without any prospect of success. I can honestly say that the post you won't mention but everyone knows you are talking about has given me hope. More interestingly because I have a nuclear option it has allowed my subconscious to address the very real possibility of incontinence and work to resolve some of those issues.

Also back up for the advocacy part for a second. The procedure that must not be named is a cosmetic/optional procedure that will not be covered by any insurance. Anyone that lives in the US lives in a dystopian hell hole that 60% of people can't afford a single emergency with out significant financial stress. The $25,000 barrier to entry will dissuade all but the most serious inquiries and even out of serious inquiries it is still a HUGE financial burden. I consider myself extremely lucky financially and career wise and I am still scratching my head at how to come up with the deposit, let alone surgical costs.

[Order coming tomorow from XP medical, what should I expect in 2024?]

1. The original XP Medical would turn the Abena boxes inside out because they had some small identifying mark. I don't think the new owners do that. But every diaper manufacturer that I know ship boxes that are unmarked or nearly unmarked

2. I think I received a mailer as recently as June 2023, but the exterior was very plain.

3. UPS and FedEx both suck. A symptom of an industry ruled by an oligoloply. I have had FedEx deliver my packages to the wrong address multiple times. I have had packages that were split open from both shippers.

If you are ordering medical diapers I wouldn't worry about what your delivery guy sees. He is too busy and odds are not an ABDL and will think nothing of it. I wouldn't worry about it if you were ordering ABDL diapers either personally. Live your life and screw everyone else so long as you aren't hurting people.

I don't think these questions will provide much insight into this company personally. So much of that is the manufacturer or shipper. I will say this about XP Medical, I have placed probably dozens of orders with them, they have always been fair when there are problems with the order or even if you make a mistake on your order. They were quick to reissue an order when FedEx shipped their package to the wrong address and we worked something out when it turned up like a day later. Their prices have been very fair. As other companies have increased prices 50% in some cases they have had very fair increases.

Bottom line, if you are looking to buy a single case or going to wear 24/7 I would use this company. I have seen out of stock VERY rarely, even during the pandemic.

 

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

8 hours ago, superabsorbantpolymer said:

I wonder if anyone has experience with using Botox to temporary disable the sphincter and induce leakage? It could be a good dry-run (wet-run?) for simulating the type of incontinence a sphincter resection induces?

I am generally averse to the idea of surgery for myself, but I am a big believer in letting people make their own choices. Ive had genital surgery before (orchiopexy to address testicular torsion), and it was enormously painful and I still have issues (tmi, but my balls are stitched to my scrotum, to prevent them from tangling themselves, but they painfully pull on the skin during intercourse and general movement). I imagine at the least your erections will be painful after this surgery.

As other mentioned, I'd be concerned with how the prostate resection would affect sexual function and your ability to ejaculate (as well as fertility, if you're straight). What's the fun in being a constantly leaking diaper user if you cant orgasm!

There was a user here at one point who's goal was to do this very thing. @BoToxI seem to recall it not just being a name but a goal. Were you able to do it eventually?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

13 minutes ago, DiapergirlWB said:

I'm a big supporter of people going 24/7 and diaper training over time to need the diapers whether that is daywetting bedwetting or bowel IC because you will be living the life for  long time before you have to live the life forever and if after all the effort it take to become diaper dependent you have regrets I don't know what to telly you, choices do have consequences.  I am not a fan of surgery as an option.  This is an irreversible flip the switch type incontinence and by your own admission you tend to get tired of diapers.  If you had been 24/7 for a long time and just looking for the final push then fine but i think this is a mistake but like I said choices have consequences and you will have to live with them.

 

I think what he means by "getting tired of wearing for no reason" is the appeal of wearing fades when the diapers are not necessary, not that there is no discernable reason for the appeal fading.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

I can't speak for @Reddy, but I can for myself. There comes a point where you don't feel like yourself using a toilet. Every conceivable, rational bone in your body says that you should be, but you don't, and that the only way you can conceive that you will be is when you are totally incontinent.

There is no logic-ing or rationalizing with that level of drive. One would sooner tell someone who is CIS that they are gay. Or that the earth is flat..... OK, bad example. Regardless, its probably better to show how to get through the bad days then dissuade.

[A Super Mega diaper???]

I agree that thicker diapers are better. There is a very practical limit to how thick disposables can get with booster because of the leak guards. For most diapers it is 2 safely. I can do 3 with rearz but under no circumstances can flood the diaper without leaking.

[Yikes...Bambino Diapers prices are outrageous now]

1 hour ago, Kawaharu said:

I don't know if Tykables or Rearz accepts FSA/HSA. Having an FSA/HSA their are rules on what you can buy

I couldn't find anything for Rearz (maybe a Canadian thing) but Tykables and AB universe will provide a FSA/HSA receipt/invoice upon request. And I looked it up before I signed up for my HSA. Baby diapers are considered a necessity and not covered but "adult incontinence products" are.

https://support.tykables.com/en-US/can-i-use-my-fsahsa-to-purchase-diapers-92470

https://abucares.abuniverse.com/en/support/solutions/articles/12000003663-i-received-a-fsa-card-from-my-company-can-i-use-that-for-diapers-

 

[Yikes...Bambino Diapers prices are outrageous now]

22 minutes ago, Kawaharu said:

That's why I buy my diapers from Northshore because FSA/HSA will always cover my diapers and boosters. Plus most insurances are covering adult diapers under the affordable care act Federal law.

You can order any diapers with FSA/HSA though, even something like Tykables/Rearz

[Yikes...Bambino Diapers prices are outrageous now]

17 minutes ago, Kawaharu said:

That's why I always look for sales and deals.

If you have FSA/HSA, You can get those diapers on a good deal. On top of that if you have autoship, they drop the price by $5 bucks and shipping is always free.

Honestly this is why I think NS doesn't care and won't compete on price. While they are ABDL aware, they are firmly a medical company and insurance and all that will pay it regardless of price. 

[Yikes...Bambino Diapers prices are outrageous now]

2 hours ago, Crinklz Kat said:

But Bambino is always running a sale lately.  I just got an email announcement yesterday - buy one case, get a second at 70% off! 

 

But, don't forget that Rearz capacity values are also skewed with how they test.  And I find Bambino's just fine for capacity.  I can't get enough use out of an "ultra" capacity diaper before it is absolutely reaking. 

Them running a perpetual sale is kinda my point. They have high prices for anyone who doesn't realize or must buy in between the sales but then almost everyone else gets the lower prices when stocking up.

I don't necessarily buy that Rearz are 11k ml capacity but they are definitely high. Higher imo than even tykables or the NRU Str8up. But honeslty I don't really go by capacity that much anymore so much as tier. For me the top tiers are Tykables, Trest, and Rearz. At that point it is more preference and fit more than anything. They are very similar in terms of performance. Then if they all fit or work for you the same the cost. The problem I have is that the Bambino is definitely a mid tier diaper for me but still charging top tier pricing when not on sale.

[Yikes...Bambino Diapers prices are outrageous now]

14 minutes ago, ppdude said:

Agreed. Basic economics. Always thought NS were overpriced.

 

NS Megamax was a fantastic value when they first released. They were like $2 each and they more or less started the capacity wars. As I recall almost everyone was stagnating around 5000ml. After Megamax hit 6500, the dam broke (pun intended) and everyone went crazy on capacity. Now Megamax are $3 each and I can buy ABDL diapers with Velcro tabs, higher capacity, a myriad of other features to choose from, and free shipping on a single case.