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This was a fabulous topic, and a good one to consider, as most in the AB/DL world have such fears about discovery and being humiliated. While I agree that after I'm taking that celestial dirt nap, having assumed room temperature, it doesn't matter to ME what happens to my stash. However, I had to consider this issue with an impending divorce - in which my ex used my "leanings" (in which she HAD participated!) against me - and I anticipated it would be used to take my children away from me. So, into a storage unit, along with other items, for the interim, until the divorce was final and conditions set. As it turned out, nothing came of my fetishism, though I blinked when the issue was brought up, and it cost me big bucks to just be done with the marriage. That said, I have had a number of surgeries, and have other items, like firearms, coins, etc., that had I died, needed to be dealt with, and NOT just "given away" or sold for a fraction of what items were worth. At this point, married again, with an acceptant wife, I have steered her how to divest herself of what I have, without losing out on value. Before that, I had left instructions, to be given to trusted friends, including one who knew about my DL life/world, who would then disburse what I had, so that my children would not get to any of it first, embarassing THEM in finding out about ME, in the case of the diaper stash. There was an envelope for each individual to be contacted upon my demise, who would be admitted to my house, immediately, to carry out removal of items and disbursal. There were directions, as well as the location of where to find what I would have them take care of. This also points up the absolute NEED, when it comes to a partner, that they KNOW about your DL or AB life/world/desires/acquired "stash" of supplies. If you are going to hide your "leanings" from a partner, or have HAD to, you DO risk your partner discovering your secret that may be devastating to them mentally, for you HAVING witheld something like this from them! And, if your partner does NOT know about your "secret life", there is NO guarantee, and you cannot legally set in concrete, that someone from the outside can come in, keep your partner sheltered from the truth, and just remove and disburse your "shame". The thought that such supplies be willed to or directed to a site like this - providing the admins would accept such a donation, as the donation would have to be sent somewhere and stored pending further distribution - is wonderful! You can always direct that items be distributed to those most desiring them, pending some proof of need and some financial inability to purchase items like this, but proof will be hard to assure. As a mortician, I can tell you that you do NOT want to RELY on a will to assure privacy, continued secrecy, or that what you want done will actually BE done. Wills are often read MONTHS after a death. That's where those special envelopes of instructions are a good idea and need to be handy for those who survive - maybe sealed, maybe in a safety deposit box, a lock box in the home, or even in a desk readily available to whomever needs to access that envelope! COPIES of the will are handy for family members, as well, in laying out what IS going to happen, withOUT going through the probate process first. If you do not have a spouse, or significant other - and I don't care what anybody says, if you're not legally married, a significant other does NOT have the legal authority that the court may afford a legal biological next-of-kin - a trusted someone who can be named Durable Power of Attorney and Executor of your estate, SHOULD be apprised of the situation, and agree to carry out what you want done, especially in a case like this. Certainly a good topic to be thinking about. We DO have mortality issues to consider. I hope others are as fortunate as I am, to not have to worry about this issue. Good luck to all! I, too, want to be buried in cloth diapers and two pairs of my favorite plastic pants. I know my wife could see to that, but what if my SON is the mortician to pickle me, be the one to be dressing my carcass, and put me into that oak "pine box"? Kind of blows keeping my secret from my KID(s)! LOL I mentioned that to my wife. We haven't quite sorted THAT one out! LMAO

One thing that comes to mind and was hit upon earlier is the idea of a "AB/DL Pride Parade", kind of like a "Gay Pride Parade", wherever it is they have it or have one every year. Um, THAT truly IS "in your face", and with the variety of extremes there can be in any organized group - organized disorganization? - I'm not sure that THAT type of presentation is positive OR effective. It SCARES me, and would make ME be more cautious, as discreet as I already am. The project, as proposed, especially with careful editing of printed material as proposed, seems sound and sounds good. I can only hope, in time to come - and, at 54, I may never live long enough to see a definitive finished product - I can be proud to be a DL and do what I do with my head held high!

I would have to say, KR, that your last post was as close to a bonifide "mission statement" as could have been created by a committee of the project! Well, said, and concise. Keep it going! I have never read Bitter Grey, but if the material IS too scientific at times, it WOULD be of limited value for a great many in the exploration mode, especially the newbies. They want a quick and easy explanation for what makes them them and why they are into what they are into, as well as WHY they do what they do. I also recommend a site by a "Sea Otter" - www.geocities.com/seaotter1975/ - that might be an appropriate link for the project, for a more simple, comfortable place to go for the newbies. Gee, I think I've contributed up to a nickle now! LOL

One of the greatests gifts we can give to ourselves - besides the knowledge that we are not sick, perverted or mentally ill - is that of actually meeting another "like-minded" person, in the flesh. Yes, it can be awkward, be very scary, and we can have a lot of reservations about it. But, it's a whole lot different than being in contact with someone behind the safety of miles of wire and a computer monitor. Just knowing that another person thinks like you and is like you, and is right there, in front of you, is its own reward. No, it doesn't have to get into a "scene" - it COULD, if agreed upon by two consenting adults - but it CAN be as simple as an outdoor BBQ in somebody's back yard in a central location, allowing the participants to comfortably be as much or as little as they wish to publicly be. In MN, in the Minneapolis area, they have a monthly "munch". As much as I like the decadence of being a DL, and being discreetly diapered and using them, in public, I would enjoy having a core group of friends, that could comfortably be expanded at any time, that could meet from time to time. I invite anyone else in this group or who looks into this group, from Michigan, even closeby in IL or IN to send me a message. I enjoy Yahoo Messenger chat, the chat room here, and would accept emails, with MI AB/DL in the subject line. Otherwise, I would relegate a message from an unknown person to spam. Anybody else feel the same way? I am 54, and from north of Muskegon...

The other two forums in the Support category, for Project:Emergence are handling expansion of the proposed project very well. I encourage readers to not get too off-tracked here, but it IS a starting point, and move to the other sub-headings. While we may not lose our diapers at all, we certainly DO stand to find a great understanding and acceptance of WHO we all are and WHAT we all are about...

I don't mind the 25 cents. But, Scoobie has it about as simple as it could get. Google AB/DL and find this project at the top of the search engine list, or any other search engine? NOW you're talking about being accessible to the masses. Get that simple basic category, have the sub-categories linked to it for the interested, and away you go. "One stop shopping", with every "aisle", if you want to go down them. Pulls the whole project together, which can be very simple at first blush, and more detailed the more you want to get to know. The breakdown of categories could, in fact, be the sub-categories, with the information, and further categories beneath that being "departments" or "stock that is on the shelves". How's THAT for an analogy? LOL

Interesting post. But, it again points out "splitting hairs" from "the gitgo". When we talk about BDSM, most people have a vision in the mind's eye of what is being talked about and the parameters. When we talk about someone being gay, we have a vision of what's being talked about and the parameters. When someone talks about "infantilism", it is viewed as practiced by perverts and pedophiles. As uncommon as it is, there is no consideration of the various branches as underwhere has proposed we key on. We need to fight and change the stigma of "infantilism", and THEN work on education of the various "branches" of the AB/DL world, which, in itself, may be a far better category title, like BDSM, or Gay, or whatever. Start from the start, present limited basics, and once that is achieved, and if the interest is expressed, break it down further, and explore the various branches out from the main "trunk" of the AB/DL "tree". Just my humble opinion, but I DO agree that the simpler and more basic the main category, the easier it is to make the outside world comfortable at an elementary level, and then if they want more information and more knowledge, THAT can be developed and a plan in place to get people that want to know more to that place. Basic is better. Start from the start. KISS = Keep it Simple Stupid Keep it interesting, make people want to know more, don't overwhelm the inquisitive and scare them off. A couple of cents' worth, anyway...

While I agree that Phase One needs to be simple and basic, you've already exposed a primary problem in starting out. You've used the general psychiatric label for all those in the AB/DL world - INFANTILISM. As an avowed 40 year DL - Diaper Lover - I resent (MY problem) being classified as an "infatilist", versus the "fetishist", which I more feel I am and am more comfortable with. Personally, if we're going to go back to those kind of origins, I'd like to see the project break down and do away with the connection to "Classic Infantilism" and an all-encompassing, while not totally accurate classification for the AB/DL world and all its various branches. If some sort of unified front could be made or had for the AB/DL community, it would be great. However, the underlying need to try and force, or beg or throw US into the face of those who don't want to know about it or deal with it - facing what the gay community has faced trying to find legitimacy and acceptance - is what I would question. Do the majority IN the community feel the same need of others to find acceptance and legitimacy for how they are and what they do to feel comfortable and try and justify it? I'm not so sure. I think WE have our OWN "silent majority". A number in the community have an acceptant and participatory (to some degree) significant other, and that is sufficient for THEM. For those that want more, they have their own ways of reaching out - any more, more via the internet. The number that want and might actually try to find the freedom to flaunt who they are and how they are - i. e., running to 7-11 at 11 PM, for a Slurpee, dressed just in diapers and a t-shirt and a pair of sandals - might be pretty limited. There has to be an intelligent approach to presentation and what is perceived as is needed to achieve a desired result, besides somehow finding agreement on what the ultimate desired result would actually be. Sometimes, the germ of an idea brings with it a whole commercial farming operation at the other end as something very basic and simple, with noble origins, grows to become an unmanageable monster. I mean, where will it all stop, and in the interim, not everybody is going to agree or end up, in the end, being happy with the result. Kinda' like our federal government anymore! LOL

While I would love to add to the total discussion here, I don't think anything I could say would add much, although a lot of what the emerged product of the project could be undergirded by a volume of "How I got started..." in the various aspects of the branches of the total topic, as well as a companion volume of "What turns me on about..." which deals with specifics of the allure of the particular branches to each of its practitioners. One thing I DO see is the depth to which individuals will go to find acceptance of themselves, BY themself (!), as well as trying to understand and justify why they are the way they are and why they are into what they are into. As opposed to finding acceptance of, by and in OTHERS, if more "in the trenches", so to speak, would come to their OWN acceptance, first, it would be much easier to inform and educate others, and it would be more easily presented by those into the scene. When WE come to a comfort level within ourselves, we are less sensitive to what OTHERS think or might say, especially if they don't understand or feel the same way we do. Unlike BDSM, which is often viewed as a separate branch of sexuality and sex play, I think it was said here before that there is a connection - conscious or UNconscious - with diapers and infancy - maybe pedophilia and/or abuse - so the adult into a diaper scene is going to be viewed involved in some connection, NOT as a separate entity, like it is with BDSM, for instance. There is a chuckle had when adults talk about spanking in the sexual arena, but seldom is there a connection made with child and infant correction by spanking and adult play, as there seems to be with diapers and AB and DL situations. Maybe, even with plenty of education, the connection will never be broken and acceptance just a second thought. It's good to know that so many people are so concerned about their being different and with their indulgences and leanings. On the other end of the spectrum are the idiots that give the rest of us a bad name, get busted for being online predators and perverts, or get busted for being out in public wearing just a diaper and out in public. The fact is that most of us, according to what I've read, that those of us in the AB and DL world may simply be way more well-adjusted than any other number of adults. At least we know who we are and what we're about, unlike many others. Perhaps this project, if nothing else, will cast us in a different (maybe posititve) light and give people food for thought, even if it doesn't bring a greater acceptance. Everybody has their own thing, and that might be THEIR problem!

I would think that managing and monitoring a site like this is not an easy job and that it could be pretty thankless at times. I was pretty angry at Daily D for a long time when I felt I got "chased" from the chat room, that I had come to enjoy, by some members who thought they "owned" the chat room, had their supporters, and made chat life miserable! However, I would check in from time to time. While the personals area never generated any connections OR contacts, the weekly photo post is fabulous, and almost second to none. The forums and boards is pretty much second to none, and the ability to post thoughts and comment on other postings is great. It helps bring balance to a person who once thought they were alone in this crazy AB/DL world, thought they might be mentally ill for HAVING AB/DL leanings, and feeling like an outcast in the world of "normals" - and, what IS "normal"? While every site can be improved, Daily D has a lot to offer, and I would like to thank those who started the site and keep it up and running for those of us that need a place like this to feel normal in the work-a-day world, comraderie in like-thinking and participation in a world that is a little different and considered maybe "a little off-beat" and a "place of our own" to find sanctuary and a home in our uniquness! Thank you, Daily D.

Um, THAT, in the Hudson River, was the closest thing to a SURVIVABLE "water landing" ANYONE will ever see or be a part of! And, had it not been for the "solid water" to land on, the outcome might have been far different. Now, Duck, that you've probably hit the nail on the head with all of the swiping that COULD have to be done - to get in, to wipe (if you have to), to flush, to wash your hands, to dry your hands, maybe a message could be sent if the used diaper was left not in the trash, but in the back of the seat, in the pocket WITH the air sickness bag! A plane full of THOSE might send a message! LMAO And, I have to comment about the comments on the CEO of Ryanair. More power to him! If he wants to cut costs to the bone, if he wants to impose charges that people will pay, it's his trip. Just like those in the AB and DL world that have improved life for the true incon by demanding better adult disposable diapers, and keeping the adult plastic pant industry alive, it will be the customer - limited by Ryanair being the only carrier available in an area (maybe there is bus or train service to a larger transportation center?) - that will shape whether Ryanair is successful or flies off into oblivion. Especially now, it is the consumer that will shape whether a business continues or withers...

With all the comment that has been made, we could be splitting hairs in some areas and to some degree. That's fine and that's what an open forum and a lively discussion needs. For me, my wife knew about a male DL friend that I had been friends with, and whom I had diapered from time to time, BEFORE she made a committment to me AND my DL life/world. While we live 70 miles apart due to work and other circumstances, she KNOWS that we still get together - my place, even though he is divorced, is a little sanctuary for him, when he can do his thing freely and comfortably - but I have withdrawn from diapering him. And, typical of a male situation, he never diapered ME - you know, typical top/bottom type of situation - though we never had any sexual interaction. So, for my wife and me, our interaction is not considered "cheating", and especially now that I have gotten her to JOIN me in diaper play infrequently, with her open-mindedness letting her find out she ENJOYS it - being diapered and wetting - if I connect with any other DLs or end up planning on going to and attending any DL/AB gatherings someplace, she will be WITH me. I guess, as has been well stated a number of times, if what you do is on the sly, without your partner's knowledge - especially knowing you would most likely NOT have their approval, and have to worry about "being caught" with what you are doing - which might damage or END a relationship, I think a person COULD pretty well consider their actions and activity "cheating". Bottom line, it takes two to tango, and if your partner tangos along with you, you should be fine...

Now, WHICH airline is going to start that? OMG. I want to be first on the plane! WHAT a novel idea, instead of the drivel about a "water landing", which is totally OBTUSE for an object weighing THAT much falling out of the sky. Plus, a properly applied and sealed pair of plastic pants could make a fabulous additional "flotation device"! Oh, the world of diapers and being a DL. I get more comfortable with it day by day!

The irony of all this is that the airline industry, in its infancy, stole the "transportation of the masses" show from the railroads because of rail's inattentiveness to the needs of passenger. its arrogant attitude toward the needs of transportation in the country and its refusal to adapt to KEEP its passenger base. Now, in the "cat bird seat", the airline industry has gotten so cut-throat, it is bleeding to death. So now, WHO will pay? Of course, the passengers! I wonder what they would do if the 90 passengers on a full DC-9 Dash 70 - just to prove a point - chose to pee and poop their pants, and just sit in it during the flight? Would they BEGIN to hand out diapers? OR, would they decide that they had pushed the passenger base just one tiny step too far? Of course, you'd probably have to decide whether it was less expensive to buy one of the airline's diapers or pay for the "potty card", to get you in IF you needed it!

The issue IS that YOU have an acceptant partner. One of the main issues brought up originally is the need to satisfy and fulfill one's SELF, MINUS the benefit of an acceptant partner. Is THAT, then, cheating? Whether it is the thing to do or NOT, was not the original issue. You're right. If you commit to someone, then you shouldn't want to or have to find someone else to satisfy your indulgences. However, in the REAL world, it doesn't always work that way. And, when guys can get sexual satisfaction, they go to hookers. When fetishists can't get fulfillment at home, they seek out dommes. I'm not saying it's right, or it's fair, but it IS what it IS, and the WAY it IS, for some in our society. You are fortunate. Your partner accepts and encourages and participates. What does a person do, who IS committed to their partner, but craves nothing but a little EXTRA fulfillment, maybe "spice" or "adventure" (adult play, kink, etc.), but has reached a brick wall, a dead-end, an absolute "no way" with their significant other. Humans are fallible and humans are week. The sex drive is incredibly strong for some and the opportunity to find fulfillment an incredible opiate. You are lucky your partner didn't tell you to take a hike, waiting two years before opening up to her. My lawyer told me that I was far from the first client he had had where diapers - their desire for, their wear, their use, by choice - was brought up in a divorce proceedings! Obviously, it's the two people involved that must decide upon the parameters of what cheating IS. And, then, it's for them to deal with, if cheating has gone on. Yet another two cents...

As someone who works in the death care industry, I have dealt with people that have died by auto-erotic asphyxiation - hanging or choking out at the time of orgasm to heighten the orgasm, and then NOT stopping before killing themselves - AND one couple who died of carbon monoxide poisoning, in the back seat of a car, car running, having sex, them dying with him inside her, and then them found that way! I guess it takes all kinds of things and all kinds of people to find humor and arousal at various things, but this kind of disturbed me. The human body is very wonderful and miraculously made, but it is also very fragile, ala latex allergies, allergic reaction to bee stings and peanuts, etc. I guess the ONE thing I appreciate about being a DL is that I've never heard of anyone dying of diaper rash OR of dying of embarassment at being "outed" for being an AB or DL. Life could get tough for a while, in either case, but being fatal? I don't think so!

To second the emotion of Beth, with another penny or two, a person who is prone to cheating will almost always cheat, no matter WHAT they are into. It doesn't make it right or justify it. It just often IS. Now, let's take it a step further. Look at the banner at the top of this column. There is a woman in diapers. We see her, we may lust after her, but we look. Are we turned off? Look at the SITE we are on! For the AB or DL, looking at photos of women or men in diapers, and being turned on, is, in effect, OUR "porn". And, in divorce cases, what often comes up? "Oh, he wasn't into me anymore. He was too busy with internet porn." And, what does HE say? "I turned to internet porn because SHE wasn't attentive to MY needs anymore. I had to have stimulation and release SOMEWHERE/SOMEHOW." So, is involvement in PORN cheating? No, there's no actual SEX, but there can be self-gratification! Is THAT "sex"? In denial of sharing that release with a partner "cheating"? And, then, we can question "What IS 'porn'?" Are photos of other diapered adults - paid models or real-life practitioners - any less, any more or the same as a Playboy centerfold or Playgirl playmate of the month!? In a Puritan world, we would not even be having this discussion because of censorship. In a wide-open world like in Rome centuries ago, this forum would be unbelievably wide open. Hopefully, in OUR world of today, we've reached some sort of happy medium, though we all will not agree on what is right, what is wrong and the definition of everything we question and practice. The original question was fabulous; the ensuing discussion has been enlightening and delightful to bandy about! Thank you to all have been and are participating!

The basis of my question is the amount of waste going into landfills. I mean, eventually, the fecal material is going to decompose, but under tons and tons of other garbage, it takes much longer, especially when wrapped in plastic. In addition, urine, absorbed by chemically created "fluff" may NOT decompose in any quick period of time. I agree that to be the MOST eco-friendly, cloth diapers and plastic pants - in which ONE pair can last a long, long time - make the most sense, since urine and feces are already being treated in the regular sewage stream everywhere in the world. I mean, even the City of Milwaukee, WI, eventually turns its sewage slug into Milorganite, a well-recognized organic fertilizer. I just wondered how important the issue was to others, and the feed-back certainly has been interesting, with each to their own opinion and the issue having individual importance! Thanks for the input thus far!

Okay, I'll throw something else into the fray. I just damaged my marriage almost beyond repair because I chose to binge with alcohol and got out of control. I won't go into details. I'm still in the dog house - though still married - and will be for some time. I damaged a slowly grown trust almost to the point of breaking. In talking to my wife, she referred to alcohol as "my mistress". My wife was not here when I was drinking, and was not a part of what went on. In that respect, because alcohol, in fact, is poison to me, and I "got together", on the sly, I WAS cheating on my wife. Doing our DL thing "on the sly" emotional cheating? I think it more depends upon the people involved. If you can have sex outside of marriage, but are very religious, is it fornication or are you able to "overlook" THAT part of your religiosity or theology because you don't agree with it? Do we deal with strict "standards" or a certain "morality" - what is accepted or not - or is it a sliding scale, depending upon the people involved and the group you may be a part of? There is no black and white, and I agree with what some have been emphatic about - there's a lot of psychobabble out there. Ultimately, it depends upon the individual to decide what they are comfortable with or not, and how they will handle the situation if they've not totally paved the way for what they do and the damage control needed if what they do DOES blow up in their face. 2 more cents from a 40 yr. DL...

I just saw an ad somewhere - sorry, don't remember where, maybe as part of a Google search on diapers - about a new biodegradable infant disposable diaper. It's supposed to break down readily. I LIKE the idea of a biodegradable diaper - and I'm NOT talking about the parody of edible diapers on SNL - and would be willing to buy them if they weren't significantly more expensive than other diapers and we decently absorbent. I'd say it's about time this has come along.

Let's see. $25.00 for baggage. $5.00 for restroom token or $2.50 for a disposable diaper. I wonder what it would cost them to take out a couple of seats for a private adult changing "table" or area? I wonder if it would cost them more in lost revenue versus what it costs to deal with bathroom upkeep? What will the TSA do when people want to wear cloth diapers with diaper pins instead of disposables to be able to last the entire flight? OMG This opens up a whole can of worms! Me, I'll stick with my Molicares, soakers and plastic pants...

For banana poop, Biggs, you have to insert pieces of the banana, from the OUTSIDE. Actually, if you relax yourself, it's really not too difficult to push a piece of a banana into your rectum. I like a variety of anal play, so pushing a banana IN is just as easy for me as to push a BM out. LOL However, if the aroma of a banana makes you ill, don't use bananas. I had never thought about cooked beans or cooked oatmeal. I was talking about dry oatmeal and gradually let the wetting make it pasty. And, given it's food, and not "processed food", besides less offensive odor, cleanup would be easier, especially for cloth diaper users. It was interesting how much information was shared with HOW to create a BM. That wasn't the original intent or basis of the question. There ARE a variety of ways to assist in trying to SCHEDULE a BM, like with laxatives you drink, like Perdiem or Metamucil. And, a suppository will get things moving more quickly. An enema will help clean you out, but you will also have to contain the water of the enema, as well as fecal material. That could get things pretty soggy. I once read a letter from a guy who would take Ex-Lax and place it into the center of sugar candy he would make. He would then, when it was cool and set, use those as a suppository. And, never knowing how long it would take for the candy to break down, he'd never know when the Ex-Lax would be exposed and begin to work. He liked the adventure of keeping himself diapered but never knowing when he was going to have to have a BM and have to use his diapers to contain it, as he would usually be out in public or at work when it happened. Daring, to be sure. I am pleased to see all the response from mutual messers that LIKE to mess. I always felt that diapers were for use for EVERYTHING, and it went from feeling like a "naughty big boy" for pooping my pants to, now, many years later, plainly being comfortable with having a load in my pants, enjoying doing it, enjoying the relief of empty bowels afterward, and the sheer decadence I feel of being "potty trained", and simply disregarding it and blowing potty training off. Plainly, I LOVE to be different and unlike "mainstream society"!

I think that a person has to define "cheating" in their own mind. A cheater is going to cheat, no matter WHAT they are into. If you define "cheating" as AB or DL play with another AB or DL, outside of a relationship or marriage, WITHOUT the SO's knowledge or permission (if you'd have to HAVE "permission" from them to engage in mutual play), then it IS cheating on a SO. Too, is the mutual play mutual diapering, wetting, messing, baby games, etc., but short of sexual involvement? Now we get into "splitting hairs". Was the oral that Bill Clinton got from Monica Lewinsky SEX or NOT SEX?! Now we get into definitions. Since for many in the AB/DL world there IS a sexual side to the turn-on of indulgence and involvement, the term "cheating" CAN be very accurate. When you have a totally anti-social and socially immoral (again, by WHO's definition?) person, then anything goes and nothing is bad, wrong or "sinful" (and now we bring RELIGION into the fray). How many sociopaths in prison don't think they ought to be there because THEY feel they did nothing wrong - even to the point of homicide?!? The question is a great one, and one for plenty of thought. If you have to indulge your desires and get fulfillment on your own, on the sly, without a SO knowing, it CAN be considered cheating. And, as always, it CAN be in a matter of degrees, which for most people, they use to justify what they do, without guilt, especially WHEN they feel that what they are doing may NOT be "quite right". I laid out the majority of my DL life to my now-wife, BEFORE we got beyond a certain point - where I felt she HAD to know about things, my involvement and online friends - before we invested more time and emotion into our budding relationship. She asked for time to deal with it and over time, with her knowing about me and my life, we broached the topic, gently, every so often, and a little bit more every time. She said it was MY thing, and being open-minded, it was up to me how I wanted to deal with it and indulge myself. At a certain point, she could FEEL it was time to "put up or shut up". And, she felt she was going to lose me if she didn't participate, though I never pushed her. Once she DID participate, she discovered how she had not HAD to be fearful and how much fun she actually found she could have by indulging me and participating. Patience, on my part, made all the difference. Knowing my wife WAS open-minded, and approaching things intelligently, also came into play. I can only wish the same type of thing for everyone feeling unfulfilled and unsatisfied.

I've tried chlorophyll tablets, Nullo, and some mushroom based capsules, as well as charcoal. I think the Nullo worked the best, though it is the most expensive. And, depending upon the amount you take, you WILL turn your poop green, which, like a grass stain on blue jeans, is tough to get out of cloth diapers. The other products didn't seem to do much, and it took about a week of using the Nullo to notice much of any change in odor. I WAS pleased with how it DID help reduce fecal odor. Like one other person said, your diet CAN overpower the tablets. And, red meat is the biggest offender.

Um, maybe you just deal with what comes out? And, you prepare the best you can with a diaper that can contain the mess? I'd recommend plastic pants for added protection. You ought to know what types of food give you different types of BMs, and amount of hydration will come into play, too. And, if you don't really want to deal with your own natural "soil", you can try dry oatmeal, that as it gets wet, gets to be the consistency of a soft BM, or if you aren't anal/homophobic, you can insert chilled banana quarters into your rectum until you feel pretty "full", and then will have a "banana poop", more in the line of a more firm BM. Experiment. Many feel that unless a person uses their diapers fully as intended, they are missing out. And, others wouldn't DREAM of messing a diaper! Too each their own.