Black/death/heavy-metal?

[Necare]

Greetings from Norway! Just wondered; how many of you(if any) are into Black, Death and Heavy-Metal? And if you reply positively to this; how do f.ex view such brilliant artistry as Black Metal? I mean,do you just view it as music, or do you like me, also find other qualities there to succor? I have a daily struggle trying to reconcile my darker sides with my baby sides, anybody else experiencing this?

[SoCalGav]

Hey there, I've been to a few metal shows, but I'm more into 'hardcore' music than black metal. But I like bands like At the Gates, Archangel, Burnt by the Sun, Pretty much all the bands on Relapse records, Origin, ect. Oh and skyfire. But like i said, melodic hardcore suits my tastes better than black/death metal. I wouldn't say I have a "darker side" though. Its just music to me.

[edlomon05]

I am a huge fan of the black metal. i like prettymuch all the metal genres(except nu-metal)

norway has the best metal groups when it comes to to the black side

i dont see it as an issue with my fetish really since i listen to it when im on the computer, in my car, whereever

i cant stand poppy music, for some reaons it has the oppsite effect on me and just annoys and angers me.

i can listen to some but not all of it.

my whole CD collection is metal and more metal, i even collect dvds of metal videos that i get from my local movie store.

[Andy]

I got started in 1985 when a mate showed me Iron Maidens 'The Number Of The Beast'. I fell in love with this music, not maiden only, and that hasnt changed.

I like pretty much anything metal & hardrock related, even some punk like ramones, except stuff like body count and this whole 'Nu'-metal crap which started in the early 90´s.

My taste is really mixed. In one moment i listen to Led Zeppelin, turning over to Venom , back to Scorpions and then something like Count Raven or Cathedral.

That all made me a vinyl-collector and ive already some really expensive LP´s in my collection, all at least hardrock though.

I don't see it interfering with my diapers at all.

Cheers from germoney

[Necare]

Thanks for the feedback! Nice to see some metalheads on this site! It doesn`t seem that any of you have a struggle with metal and this fetish, which must be nice as well. As I said earlier, for me, especially black metal, has a value besides the strictly musical side of it, and I find it really hard having this baby-side interfer all the time. But maybe I should go and see a psychologist about the matter, and learn to live with both sides, I don`t know...

Could not agree more on the subject of nu-"metal". The whole phenomenon reeks of commercial, nauseating teeny-bop crap, and has nothing to do with metal at all. Some of the worst examples must be Shitkin Park and System of a Downs-Syndrom, do you agree? Music I cherish the most(whether metal or other) are old WASP, Maiden,Slayer Akercocke, old Dark Throne, Craft(amazing swedish black metal), Shining,Opeth,My Dying Bride, Anathema, Sixteen Horsepower, Diamanda Galas,Autopsy, Abscess, Morbid Angel(preferably the David Vincent era), Betlehem. And yeah, there is also some magnificent soundtracks like Exorcist 2, Ravenous, Blade Runner, Twin Peaks, Bram Stokers Dracula. Any of you into horrorfilms?

[DiaperedRacer]

Thanks for the feedback! Nice to see some metalheads on this site! It doesn`t seem that any of you have a struggle with metal and this fetish, which must be nice as well. As I said earlier, for me, especially black metal, has a value besides the strictly musical side of it, and I find it really hard having this baby-side interfer all the time. But maybe I should go and see a psychologist about the matter, and learn to live with both sides, I don`t know...

Could not agree more on the subject of nu-"metal". The whole phenomenon reeks of commercial, nauseating teeny-bop crap, and has nothing to do with metal at all. Some of the worst examples must be Shitkin Park and System of a Downs-Syndrom, do you agree? Music I cherish the most(whether metal or other) are old WASP, Maiden,Slayer Akercocke, old Dark Throne, Craft(amazing swedish black metal), Shining,Opeth,My Dying Bride, Anathema, Sixteen Horsepower, Diamanda Galas,Autopsy, Abscess, Morbid Angel(preferably the David Vincent era), Betlehem. And yeah, there is also some magnificent soundtracks like Exorcist 2, Ravenous, Blade Runner, Twin Peaks, Bram Stokers Dracula. Any of you into horrorfilms?

I agree with the exception that not all nu-metal sux, some I can deal with, and My dying bride is doom metal not black/death metal other than that we're good. What about Napalm Death, Obituary, Mortician, Any band on earache records, Necrophobic, Barathrum, Edge of Sanity, DragonLord, etc. etc. etc.

[Necare]

Of course I know that My Dying Bride is not Black or Death Metal, but it is not strictly Doom either. Doom/Death would be more correct. I enjoy some Obituary, mainly Cause of Death. The first Napalm Death records were to Grindcore for my liking. Enjoyed Harmony Corruption though. But give me Autopsys Mental Funeral or Acts of the Unspeakable any day!! Or Dark Thrones Under a Funeral Moon, then we are talking:)

[edlomon05]

nu-metal i serious believe it was created to bring back the population of metalheads since we all know the fanbase died off a bit in the mid-90s after grunge came and gone

so whats better than having rap & metal? brought back people and sadly that ment alot of people misunse the metal part of the genre.

I'll be honest to say i astarted off with heavy metal as afavorite, then lost interest in the mid-90's then got back to it with nu-metal and then black metal changed me all around to dis-liking nu-metal.

i allso learned to like progressive metal, though only a certain amount of them. like evergrey for example of one i like alot. basic the kind that has like a gothic church sound to it is what i like(you know the chorus and the organs and all the cool stuff)

also i like to try to make my own songs though i havent done much of that in a while.

I try to split up my life into sections to make it easier like my personal life, my music life, my education life, ect. that way I dont have to worry about stuff clashing in and it makes it easier(at least for me it is).

[suede]

yup, i listen to metal, to rock, anything with a great beat that gets your blood pumping as good as any triple stack or line of snow.

ive no probs with my duality, my cute side and my harder side. I ride a chopper, but i sleep in a bed covered in plushies, i wear more leather than a character from the road warrior, but sleep in toony pajamas.. shit man, the old yin~yang effect i guess. One side actually balances the other for me. I like my diversity of interests, keeps life interesting. *chuckles*

[Andy]

I agree with the exception that not all nu-metal sux, some I can deal with, and My dying bride is doom metal not black/death metal other than that we're good. What about Napalm Death, Obituary, Mortician, Any band on earache records, Necrophobic, Barathrum, Edge of Sanity, DragonLord, etc. etc. etc.

In my ever pending taste between Heavy/Trash/Death/Doom/Black Metal there are a few bands i really liked over the years. early Pestilence, early Death , early Sepultura , Asphyx, Bolt Thrower, Cannibal Corpse, Kreator, Possessed, Bathory, Hellhammer (the later Celtic Frost), Venom, Sodom, Count Raven, Saint Vitus, Protector.......guess the list would get endless coz thats just a very small excerpt lol

cheers

[Necare]

Pestilence and Death for sure have some great albums; Testimony of the Ancients, Leprosy and Symbolic. I like Bolt Throwers War Master, do not really care for their other ones. Bathorys Under the Sign of the Black Mark is one of the greatest black metal albums, yes sirree!! Kreators Coma of Souls is also good. I have Celtic Frosts Morbid Tales, but cannot say that I am a big fan though. Ok music, not fantastic, as many profess to mean. Venom has some good tunes, but not really a big fan there either. I started out listening to Slayer and Wasp, and these bands are definitely my favorites of the old era. I like Slayers Show no Mercy, South of Heaven, Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss. Their newer stuff is far below par if you ask me. Wasps best albums are their first one, Electric Circus, Headless Children, and their darkest one Kill Fuck Die.Their other ones isn`t that interesting. Again,about the whole nu-"metal" phenomena: It has no spirit, no feeling what so ever, it is slick, commercial as Mac Donalds, and their often light-political lyrics is also nauseainducing. But that is my opinion. And well, about the the totally reprehensible idea of mixing rap and metal, its as sane as having well known rappers starring in horrorfilms. A hybrid that is neither fowl or fish if you ask me. He, he, a bit angry now, or should I say dedicated

[Andy]

..................... Again,about the whole nu-"metal" phenomena: It has no spirit, no feeling what so ever, it is slick, commercial as Mac Donalds, and their often light-political lyrics is also nauseainducing. But that is my opinion. And well, about the the totally reprehensible idea of mixing rap and metal, its as sane as having well known rappers starring in horrorfilms. A hybrid that is neither fowl or fish if you ask me. He, he, a bit angry now, or should I say dedicated

lol, with horrorfilms you dont mean Lemmy`s B-class pornos by any chance ?

In my books there are just 3 bands who never really changed their face anyway. it is Manowar, Running Wild and Iron Maiden. all 3 you can love or hate but they never changed much , especially Manowar and Running Wild. That is what i really like especially in Maidens case. It is the steadiness playing Heavy Metal even when it is supposed to be dead. I mean look where Metallica, Slayer , all the grunge and nu-metal bands are today. they make 2 or 3 albums and give it up or they do some really good stuff before they go commercial. shall i mention metallica ?

Btw, found a sampler recently in my pile of cds with black metal bands covering old maiden songs, sounds pretty kewl. really cant remember how i got it. looks much like a japan import.

Cheers from germoney

Andy

[DiaperedRacer]

Cradle of Filths cover of Hallowed be thy name is awesome, even if the band sux. Then of course all the iron maiden songs that children of bodom did.

[Necare]

lol, with horrorfilms you dont mean Lemmy`s B-class pornos by any chance ?

In my books there are just 3 bands who never really changed their face anyway. it is Manowar, Running Wild and Iron Maiden. all 3 you can love or hate but they never changed much , especially Manowar and Running Wild. That is what i really like especially in Maidens case. It is the steadiness playing Heavy Metal even when it is supposed to be dead. I mean look where Metallica, Slayer , all the grunge and nu-metal bands are today. they make 2 or 3 albums and give it up or they do some really good stuff before they go commercial. shall i mention metallica ?

Btw, found a sampler recently in my pile of cds with black metal bands covering old maiden songs, sounds pretty kewl. really cant remember how i got it. looks much like a japan import.

Cheers from germoney

Andy

He, he haven`t seen the Lemmy-thing that you are referring to I`m afraid. I remember I saw a Troma film once, think it was called Tromeo and Juliet(really inventive), and it featured Lemmy as a sort of storyteller.Bad film. But I don`t know if that was what you meant though? I was especially referring to Halloween Ressurection featuring the terrible loudmouth Busta Rhymes, now that film was a huge piece of turd if you ask me.But that is sadly the state of american horrorfilms today, Follywood will do about anything to satiate the fourteen year olds out there Agree that Maiden is one of the bands that have more or less kept their style over the years. Favorite album must be Piece of Mind! When it comes to Metallica they for sure has released some great albums, but I think their downhill ride began with their Black album. Haven`t bought anything by them after that one, come to think of it, shouldn`t have procured that one either. I`m not so into Manowar, and Running Wild I haven`t heard actually. They are german,right? Have you heard about a german band named Betlehem? Their lyrics are mainly based on depression and suicide, and I would definitely recommend their second album, Dictius Te Necare( He, he my pseudonym) Really dark and weird stuff, you should check it out! By the way I forgot about another one of my favorite bands, Devil Doll, have you heard about them? Anyway thanks to all you metalheads who has managed to keep this thread alive, greatly appreciated. Cheers!

Cradle of Filths cover of Hallowed be thy name is awesome, even if the band sux. Then of course all the iron maiden songs that children of bodom did.

Hi there Diapered Racer! Yeah, the Cradle of Filth cover wasn`t to bad, but I disagree that everything Cradle of Filth has done sucks. Of course nowadays the band is more or less a joke, and they come off as a bunch of cartoonfigures. But I will always cherish The Principle of Evil Made Flesh and Vempire. I think those two are great albums. Pity that they didn`t stick more to their original recipe.

[edlomon05]

i actually like cradle of filth alot actually i dont listen to cover songs since you cant beat the original

cradle of filth i like since they have the gothic sound i like.

they got alot of bad press since they chose the big shot record compainies, i really dont like the fanbase that hates a group that goes to roadrunner or sony, i mean that doesnt mean they will automatically suck

im sure most of us metalheads have seen the blabbermouth crowd and how they have that mental thought in their heads, most bands know most of those rants are 13 year old who would act nicly if that band actually came face to face with them

cradle of filth has made soe great tunes in their ealier releases. sure their newer stuff isnt that great, but hey every band will create some bad songs. metallica for example has.

metallica i think went downhill after the black album was created and slipknot went down after iowa and Korn after untouchables and i can go on and on, im a music junkie so i can really can go on for hours on this

really most newer metal bands are black metal since its what the 'kids' like, the classic stuff they seem to not like, which i find odd since i like both old and new metal i mean ill pop in a black sabbath album and then go on a dimmu borgir album and love both albums.

[Ravenyasha]

My friend recently got me into the old power metal stuff. Blind Guardian, Hammerfall, but I've always liked the darker side of music. I just recently saw Bleeding Through, Haste the Day, and Between the Buried and Me in concert. It was amazing

[DiaperedRacer]

I absolutely love roadrunner records. Although they may seem mainstream nowadays with slipknot and nickelback. They had machinehead, fear factory, and type O negative. I also like Century Media and Nuclear Blast. And As for Cradle of Filth I just hate the sound and have never been impressed with them whatsoever. But they do have the Coolest shirts.

[Andy]

I absolutely love roadrunner records. Although they may seem mainstream nowadays with slipknot and nickelback. They had machinehead, fear factory, and type O negative. I also like Century Media and Nuclear Blast. And As for Cradle of Filth I just hate the sound and have never been impressed with them whatsoever. But they do have the Coolest shirts.

awww these been the roadrunner rec. days......... with such acts as Sacred Reich, Obituary, Annihilator, Deicide, Exhorder, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Sepultura, Pestilence..............

He, he haven`t seen the Lemmy-thing that you are referring to I`m afraid. I remember I saw a Troma film once, think it was called Tromeo and Juliet(really inventive), and it featured Lemmy as a sort of storyteller.Bad film. But I don`t know if that was what you meant though?

lol lemmy really played roles in b-class porn movies for a while, but dont ask me for the titles. a b-class horror movie i really like is ' Trick or Treat ' or its german title ' Ragman '. Fast Eddie Clarke and his band made the soundtrack to it after he left Motörhead and Ozzy & Gene Simmons playing guest rolls in it.

When it comes to Metallica they for sure has released some great albums, but I think their downhill ride began with their Black album. Haven`t bought anything by them after that one, come to think of it, shouldn`t have procured that one either. I`m not so into Manowar, and Running Wild I haven`t heard actually. They are german,right? Have you heard about a german band named Betlehem?

I think absolutely the same about Metallica. Running Wild is a german band from Hamburg. They really rock.

I like almost every album from the start up to the 1992 'Pile Of Skulls' and some of their stuff starting with the 1994 'Black Hand Inn' album.

Betlehem, hmm i think i heard this name once but i´m not really sure. I made another neat find in my pile of CDs , LPs and MCs though. it is the very first massacre records promo tape featuring bands like forte,viper brazil,baphomet,dark millenium,ritual and silent death.

cheers from germoney,

Andy

[Necare]

Deicide for sure has released some great albums, in my opinion their crowning achievement is Legion. Their first one is also earcandy as far as I`m concerned. Exhorders Slaughter in the Vatican is definitely a decent trash album, allthough their second one The Law comes off as a bit boring in comparison. It`s funny; when you listen to the vocalist in Exhorder, his voice is eerily similar to Anselmos vocal style, he, he, maybe he picked up a couple of tips? Type o`Negative must not be forgotten either, Bloody Kisses, October Rust, and World Downfall are all great albums in my opinion.

Hello there Ravenyasha, and welcome to the thread! Always nice with more metalheads! Can`t say that powermetal really is my thing though, I think it is to pompous, and I feel that many of these bands are just secondrate Helloween(Keeper of the Seven Keys part 2 I think is great). But you said you preferred more darker metal? The bands that you mentioned, haven`t heard about any of them. Enlighten me? Andy; you mentioned Baphomet, american death metal right? Once upon a time I had a copy of one of their albums, think it was the first one, and I remember I enjoyed that quite a bit. Do you own any albums of them, or do you just have them on a sampler? Last words; I really enjoy everything Anathema has done, anybody els ethat thinks this is a band with class?

[Andy]

...................Can`t say that powermetal really is my thing though, I think it is to pompous, and I feel that many of these bands are just secondrate Helloween(Keeper of the Seven Keys part 2 I think is great). But you said you preferred more darker metal? The bands that you mentioned, haven`t heard about any of them. Enlighten me? Andy; you mentioned Baphomet, american death metal right? Once upon a time I had a copy of one of their albums, think it was the first one, and I remember I enjoyed that quite a bit. Do you own any albums of them, or do you just have them on a sampler? Last words; I really enjoy everything Anathema has done, anybody els ethat thinks this is a band with class?

everything from Helloween until and including Keeper Pt.2 was simply great. after keeper pt.2 i kept on listening to Gamma Ray coz they sounded how Helloween should have sounded.

For Baphomet, I only have one song on this very first massacre record promo sampler tape. the song is called "Latest Jesus" from their Latest Jesus album.

I think ive seen Anathema as openening act for Iron Maiden on their X-Factour Germany leg back then. I don't have an album of em though.

Blind Guardian is a really good choice . I really like their stuff until and including "Somewhere Far Beyond". Oh btw has anyone seen Hammerfall's video with the swedish women olympic curling team ? I enjoyed the song as well as this blonde cuties

[Necare]

Blind Guardian you say? Haven`t heard any tunes by them no, but as long it has power metal written over it, you can leave me out of the matter. But you could always try to convince me with some smashing arguments if you will, he. he? The Keeper of the Seven Keys part 2 is about the only Helloween record I own and know unfortunately, but I would not be surprised, as you say,that their quality sunk after this record. Those who hasn`t listened to Anathema should check it out, but then again you might have the same reaction towards this music as I have against power metal Funny you should mention Hammerfall Andy, that was one of the bands I had strongest in mind during my hiss against power metal. In my mind; too similar to Helloween, with quality removed. By the way, if any of you for some reason is planning a trip to Norway around August/September, you should check out the metal-festival Hole inthe Sky, featuring bands like Atheist and Celtic Frost. But anyway, cheers and have a jolly good time folks!

[edlomon05]

you want to see a good flick, look at cradle of fears very gorys and scary but very awesome if your into the scary horror flicks and this is one that is out there, i have the dvd at home and its really good, the demon puke looks so real compared tov other attmepts at puking and also things.

I havent heard much form blind garduiand though i have thought about it.

if its metal, I'm willing to listen to it.

[Andy]

Blind Guardian made really good stuff until and including their 1992 release "Somewhere Far Beyond" where they took up the Tolkien theme. After that album they changed the route and even hooked up with Iced Earth for the Demons & Wizards project.

I find it somewhat funny that you don't like 'powermetal' Necare . lots of the 'powermetal' stuff sounds like black metal just with other sounding vocals.

I personally don't like terms such as power-,melody-, whatever metal which were made up during the mid/end 90s. Might have to do with that i grew up when it was heavy metal only and all that other terms weren't 'invented' (or just on the way to be 'invented') when i got to this music. To me it is Heavy Metal - just one big pool of hard rockin bands sounding different. i accept terms like black, death, power, doom, speed, true, melody,....metal but they all play heavy metal . counted up terms are created by either music press or the music biz so i have to live with em but that doesnt force me to use em whatsoever. same goes with the nu-metal crap which looks to me like a try of the music biz to kinda cross poppy boygroups with metal style music to rip off some more money from both sides.

[DiaperedRacer]

You have to realize that, although labels can be irritating the serve a purpose. true death metal must be seperated from Metalcore (Growling/Screaming verses with clean vocals during chorus). Some music is just heavy metal (GodSmack) but must be seperated from Nu-metal (10 years). If not for these labels the fakes would mix themselves right in and trick the average cd buyer that they are legit. Were it not for people like us to tell others "Man thats just MallMetal don't even bother" Think how many shitty cd's others would have bought. Those poor people who never got to hear the true underground because they got cought in the sellout/poser scum that floats above it. Those labels are are weapons against shitty music and I say we stand up and save the world against Nu-metal!!!(sorry got into abit of a rant.)

[Necare]

Greetings fellow metallers! Edlomon, I watched Cradle of Fear a while ago, didn`t think it was a particularly good film, but the gore scenes were pretty realistic, so yeah, enjoyed those! Diapered Racer, could not agree more with your views on the different labels in metal. With so much shitty music being fed to unawares under the label of metal, there is obviously a need to keep a boundary between what you call "Mall-Metal"(nice one, and to the point!) and the true death and black metal out there. It`s funny you know, whenever I hear a song by one of these metalcore bands, I spot the fakeness of it all, you can easily sense the corporate big shots behind it all. They play "hard" music, they growl, but there is something so offputting by the whole shabang. Compare any of these bands to lets say Morbid Angel or Abscess, and if you have any clue, you will instantly recognise the the spirited stuff from the soulless crap. At the same time though, what it all boils down to I guess is the question; "Good music or bad music?" But as I said, boundaries are in a way essential. And Andy,I understand where you are coming from, of course everything is linked to heavy metal, but lets face it, there are quite a few differences between a band like Dark Throne and Iron Maiden? Both lyricalwise, vocalwise, melodywise and soundwise. So there is obviously a need for a bit differentiation, don`t you agree? At the same time labels can also be too restricting for a band and what they hope to achieve with their music, I of course see that if a band like Deicide began playing poppy tunes they would no longer be considered a death metal band, but if you take a band like Dødheimsgard, they began like a straightforward black metal band, but on their last fullenght 666 International they really began experimenting with samples and industrial soundscapes. And visual wise they dressed up in skirts, and painted their faces blue instead of the usual corpsepaint. which I personally thought was a great thing to do. It was like they were saying; "We are still black metal and that gives us the freedom to whatever we bloody want!!" Of course they suffered a lot of criticism by narrowminded black metal fans for this, but I can honestly say that I thought this kind of criticism was ridiculous, and I would think that anyone who understands a bit about creativity, would frown upon this criticism because if you are an artist it is essential that there is leeway for creation, if not you have repetition and stagnation. And you know what, in my opinion, it is probably one of the best black metal albums created! And Andy; no, I don`t agree with what you said about the only difference between power metal and black metal were the vocals. Of course you can find similarities between much of the power metal and the more symphonic black metal, but power metal is also lacking a key ingredience which most of the good black metal bands have: Dissonance!!! Cheers.