Witch Of These Are You From

[waynecook52]

I tryed to do this as a poll but flubbed it up.So here goes.this is for us that grew up in the 50's.These are the shows,farther knows best,ozzie and harrite,leave it to beaver,donna read.Of these shows what one showed the way it was for kids growing up then.Some of the things these kids went through can any of you relate to them?.I can relate to alot of the things that the beave went through.Remember the one about his first crush?Or his first date?.So come on lets hear from all of you that lived back then.Im sure there are alot of you that can relate to at least one of those kids.Would love to hear whitch one you relate to.Are there any im missing?Outher then danny t.?p.s.Did your folks addvise or help you out in any way?

[diaperbrownie]

All of those shows are mediocre fairy tales of life. The only show I can tolerate from that period is I love Lucy, but only because that was great comedy writing and not mediocre tripe.

My anger is not directed at only these shows. The 70's "Brady Bunch" was equally awful (if not moreso). The family was under the tyrannical rule of an almost abusive father who took EVERYTHING seriously and had absolutely no sense of humor. The only realistic thing about that show was the depiction of sibling rivalry. Even so, I still hate it because it was always wrapped up in an "ohhhh that darn family" type way.

And don't even get me started on "Full House". That show is just as bad as all the others.

[spoonchicken]

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[froggy]

The witch I can relate to is the one who put the kids in the oven for disturbing her peace and quiet. Also there were the witches in the Wizard of Oz. The wicked one got what she deserved. As for most family type shows, they sanitize the relationships and problems.

[pins]

All those shows were social engineering at its best . By far the worst are todays family entertainment shows. CBS and NBC are by far the worst when it comes to "Social Enginnering",not to mention their commercials . Socialism and Communism all roll-up in one.

[waynecook52]

All of those shows are mediocre fairy tales of life. The only show I can tolerate from that period is I love Lucy, but only because that was great comedy writing and not mediocre tripe.

My anger is not directed at only these shows. The 70's "Brady Bunch" was equally awful (if not moreso). The family was under the tyrannical rule of an almost abusive father who took EVERYTHING seriously and had absolutely no sense of humor. The only realistic thing about that show was the depiction of sibling rivalry. Even so, I still hate it because it was always wrapped up in an "ohhhh that darn family" type way.

And don't even get me started on "Full House". That show is just as bad as all the others.

I am not talking about the shows them selfs.I am asking about the kids in the shows.And besids i asked for the ones who lived in those times.You and all the 20 somethings dont know what it was like to live back then.I would like the over 55 to tell me which kid thay most relate to.Please try to understand what i am asking.

[waynecook52]

All those shows were social engineering at its best . By far the worst are todays family entertainment shows. CBS and NBC are by far the worst when it comes to "Social Enginnering",not to mention their commercials . Socialism and Communism all roll-up in one.

It is something that that you who have ansewered this post cant comprehend what i am asking.I did NOT ask about the shows.As i said to brownie I am asking about the kids and NOT the shows.Please people COMPRAHEND what you are reading befor you make a reply.

[waynecook52]

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OPPS,sorry

[aleyxsis]

im 46 and seen all these shows (reruns lol).Growing up in the 70's i liked the brady bunch and the partrich family remember that 1 lol ?.Like i have said i did not take it at realism it was an escape for me !! .PS hey remember the monkeys lol loved that show !! .I have to add this my child hood was nothing like these shows i am fond of some moments but very few !,For the most part as i got older i seen to find my freedon to do what i do crossdress and wear diapers im single and happy at the moment !

[sarah_ab]

actually if you are 58 then you were born in 53 or so ...w hich means basically you have almost NO concrete memories of hte 50s just a vague few from the age of 5-7, so you are really a child of the 60's..... soooooo yeah.... just saying....

[waynecook52]

actually if you are 58 then you were born in 53 or so ...w hich means basically you have almost NO concrete memories of hte 50s just a vague few from the age of 5-7, so you are really a child of the 60's..... soooooo yeah.... just saying....

sarah,I was born in 52.I remember those shows WHEN thay where on.It is beond me WHY you people cant comprahend what i was asking.

[sarah_ab]

hmmm saved by the bell.. i have to say saved by the bell was the most realistic of how kids grew up......

wayne, calm down, seriously sooo you have not yet gotten direct replies to your questions... you just posted a day ago.....

if you post it..... they will calm... just wait and not get so upset!!!!

To help some people out who are confused on dates because of nick at nite showing re runs

Father knows best was on the air from 54-60...

Ozzie and harried was on from 52-66

Leave it to beaver from 57-63

Donna reed from 58-66

Course one can ask the age old question... does art imitate life, or does life imitate art? i say neither.... those shows were a fantasy of what 'the typical' american family was like... we all know there was no family just like that..... just as tehre is no family like 'modern family' ..... tv shows are all about ENTERTAINMENT!!!!! and so shows were created to entertain the masses.... what entertained the masses in the 50s ? shows about well behaved women and childrenw ho never asked questions and where every problem was solved before going to bed..... tv shows in those days had a moral... a lesson..... thats what was selling....

But because it was on tv... does NOT make it true of society.......

for examle, friends showed a barissta living in an apartment no barrissta could afford on their salary.

Saved by the bell showed the 'jock' the 'preppie' and the 'nerd' alll good friends... right show me a high school where thats reality......

I comprehend what you are asking.... i was just saying... that most shows that were on during the main part of the 50's you will not remember watching at that age, rather you most likely saw as reruns, or in their latter days in the 60's and perhaps 58 and 59... because before that... you would have flittering memories but nothing very concrete....

[diaperbrownie]

Ok waynecook I'll answer your question. I think the kids in these shows were behaving because most of the fathers in these shows were authoritative militaristic rulers, who were heads of the households. Anyone who did not bend to his will were subject to beatings or severed lashings with belts. even the title "Father Knows Best" implies a household who trembles on their knees at the tyranny of the manly ma of the household; fathers knows best, and you better listenn or else he will beat you tonight. The kids who grew up on these shows were fearful of their fathers. Heck, even Andy Griffith on "Andy Griffith" (lol) was somewhat abusive of his son. He didn't beat Opie, no, but he held such a strong mental grip on the boy he was afraid to do ANYTHING. Shows back then displayed children were were afraid of their fathers, and it's disturbing that people ever thought them to be comedies.

[waynecook52]

hmmm saved by the bell.. i have to say saved by the bell was the most realistic of how kids grew up......

wayne, calm down, seriously sooo you have not yet gotten direct replies to your questions... you just posted a day ago.....

if you post it..... they will calm... just wait and not get so upset!!!!

To help some people out who are confused on dates because of nick at nite showing re runs

Father knows best was on the air from 54-60...

Ozzie and harried was on from 52-66

Leave it to beaver from 57-63

Donna reed from 58-66

Course one can ask the age old question... does art imitate life, or does life imitate art? i say neither.... those shows were a fantasy of what 'the typical' american family was like... we all know there was no family just like that..... just as tehre is no family like 'modern family' ..... tv shows are all about ENTERTAINMENT!!!!! and so shows were created to entertain the masses.... what entertained the masses in the 50s ? shows about well behaved women and childrenw ho never asked questions and where every problem was solved before going to bed..... tv shows in those days had a moral... a lesson..... thats what was selling....

But because it was on tv... does NOT make it true of society.......

for examle, friends showed a barissta living in an apartment no barrissta could afford on their salary.

Saved by the bell showed the 'jock' the 'preppie' and the 'nerd' alll good friends... right show me a high school where thats reality......

I comprehend what you are asking.... i was just saying... that most shows that were on during the main part of the 50's you will not remember watching at that age, rather you most likely saw as reruns, or in their latter days in the 60's and perhaps 58 and 59... because before that... you would have flittering memories but nothing very concrete....

I got to say i like most of your replys.As far as my memories not being concrete your wrong.The first vivid memories of life where of tv.I just cant understand why you all keep talking about the shows.I am talking about the kids in the shows.And you are wrong as to say that;the jock the preppie and the nerd cant be good friends.I was the nerd,my best friends where the jock and the preppie.We all got along in those days.I graduated in 1970.Long befor things truely went to hell in the schools.

[sarah_ab]

I'm not going to get into the whole false memory thing, because no one wants to accept that their memories are not as real as they like to remember they are... although they are remembering falsely....

but when i stated saved by the bell and then said show me a high school where that happens.... well i was referring to a show from the 90's.... so was also referring to high schools form the 90's.... not from the 70's sorry for the confusion.....

but the kids were part of the shows.. hence talking about the shows... the children in the shows were made up fake characters created to fit perfectly into the show. so were the ultimate of fake..... what they said was not spontaneous but scripted perfectly to fit into the situation at hand... real life is not like that....

but it seems like you are asking, which made up fictional character do you most associate with when falsely remembering your childhood......

but i will say.... i always WANTED to be like pippi longstocking! she was so rad and had no fear of anything....

[spoonchicken]

American TV sucks....badly......only things I watch are the news (reality TV at its unscripted best!!!...lol), Star Trek & other sci-fi stuff (to take me away from modern-day reality for a time), and "NCIS" (just another "cops & robbers" show, but it's actually done surprisingly well for American TV shit). Other than that? NOPE.....nothing but drivel and IQ-lowering shit.

[waynecook52]

Ok waynecook I'll answer your question. I think the kids in these shows were behaving because most of the fathers in these shows were authoritative militaristic rulers, who were heads of the households. Anyone who did not bend to his will were subject to beatings or severed lashings with belts. even the title "Father Knows Best" implies a household who trembles on their knees at the tyranny of the manly ma of the household; fathers knows best, and you better listenn or else he will beat you tonight. The kids who grew up on these shows were fearful of their fathers. Heck, even Andy Griffith on "Andy Griffith" (lol) was somewhat abusive of his son. He didn't beat Opie, no, but he held such a strong mental grip on the boy he was afraid to do ANYTHING. Shows back then displayed children were were afraid of their fathers, and it's disturbing that people ever thought them to be comedies.

You still dont seem to understand what i am asking.I am not talking about the fathers in the shows.I dont know of any kid that i grew up with that had a dad that was as bad as you are making them out to be.If you think that all dads where all like that then you do not know what you are talking about.Maybe if we where talking about dads befor the 30's I would agree with you.

[diapertime42]

Don't even get me started on The Brady Bunch....

All the hours I spent as a teen...

Holding up Marsha's poster with one hand - and she's never even called me...

Bitch!!

[diaperbrownie]

I am not saying fathers in actual homes were that way. I'm saying these shows ecouraged such awful behavior. if a father wanted to be abusive, the media was actually encouraging such behavior. This was the time period that all family norms were being broken, and for good reason. The father was in charge, and beat those who didn't comply. The wife satyed at home and cooked the meatloaf and obeyed the husband lest she be punched. The sone was the all american football athlete who was afraid to speak up against his father, and the daughter was afraid of sexual abuse. It was all terrifying. And it was all for COMEDY. This is disturbing.

[waynecook52]

I'm not going to get into the whole false memory thing, because no one wants to accept that their memories are not as real as they like to remember they are... although they are remembering falsely....

but when i stated saved by the bell and then said show me a high school where that happens.... well i was referring to a show from the 90's.... so was also referring to high schools form the 90's.... not from the 70's sorry for the confusion.....

but the kids were part of the shows.. hence talking about the shows... the children in the shows were made up fake characters created to fit perfectly into the show. so were the ultimate of fake..... what they said was not spontaneous but scripted perfectly to fit into the situation at hand... real life is not like that....

but it seems like you are asking, which made up fictional character do you most associate with when falsely remembering your childhood......

but i will say.... i always WANTED to be like pippi longstocking! she was so rad and had no fear of anything....

sarah,I have a ? to ask you.Do you think that all memories from childhood are falsely remembered?Girl there are some of us on this planet that CAN remember those times.Even at age 5.That is the true time when your first REAL memereys begin.Befor age 5 there aint much that i remember.

[waynecook52]

I am not saying fathers in actual homes were that way. I'm saying these shows ecouraged such awful behavior. if a father wanted to be abusive, the media was actually encouraging such behavior. This was the time period that all family norms were being broken, and for good reason. The father was in charge, and beat those who didn't comply. The wife satyed at home and cooked the meatloaf and obeyed the husband lest she be punched. The sone was the all american football athlete who was afraid to speak up against his father, and the daughter was afraid of sexual abuse. It was all terrifying. And it was all for COMEDY. This is disturbing.

Guess we got a good debate going here kiddo.

[sarah_ab]

No i'm saying we never accurately remember emotions ... we cna remember events, but the emotions we attach to those events are not accurate... do they have some rembrance of truth in them? sure but when i remembered playing as a child, i don't remember enjoying it, i assume that I enjoyed it because i assume that playing was enjoyable to me when that particular memory happened...

memories are horrificially unreliable.... even short term memories, if we can distort a memory of something that happened say 2 hours ago... imagine how distorted our memories are from decades ago....

they have been twisted and turned and changed as our experiences have shaped our selves... and based on stories we have been told about ourselves when we were younger... So doyou remember having a brother? sure.. do you remember a time you and your brother say went and made a snow fort? course.... but that doesn't mean everything happened the way you remember it, you may have added in details of hte snow fort as your idea of what a snow fort should be grew.. you may remember having a great time with your brother, because in general you and your brother had a good relationship, and don't remember that he put show down your shirt that day, or that he called you a name, or wouldn't let you help him make a certain part of hte fort..

You may assume you had fun that day, because in general building snow forts with your brother is something that should be fun. But you don't actually know if you had fun, you just assume you did, and forget that the day ended up with you in tears because you fell and hurt your wrist, or you got hit in the face with a snow ball... We do not remember every minute of every day, we remember events, and people... and even during a horrific moment during your child, you may 'remember' being afriad, becuase you assume thats what you would feel, but at the time you may not have been afraid at all.....

decades of memory studies show how unreliable they are.... thats all i'm saying.... does it stop me from saying "oh my god i remember how much i loved to play in the woods when i was a kid" noooo of course not..... i still say that.... but in the end of hte day, i do know that relying on my memories of emotions is definitely NOT a good idea.

just saying, don't put so much emphasis on how you remmeber feeling as a child... chances are... you didn't feel that way.....

and by you.... i mean the third person plural non specific you..... not any particular person.

[Little Faerie]

I have to agree with waynecook52 on one thing, young children can and often do have vivid and accurate memories. I can vividly recall quite a few things from age 4 on, and have checked strange memories I had with other people to confirm that they were as I remembered. I even remember one thing as far back as what I can guess would be around age 1 1/2, scooching around in a walker that was small for me teasing my little gray and black Pekingese dog Smoky with a hard tasteless chocolate chip cookie. He bit me on the face, and I still have the scars. The latest that memory could have been was close to age 2, and it is in fact my first memory. Nobody told me about it until I was older, that's when I found out he was a Pekingese. He died when I was 4 so I seriously doubt I fabricated the memory of knowing my own dog. When I was about 4 I vividly recall getting stuck in the creek bed behind our house while mom was hanging clothes, and freaking out because the mud sucked my pink barbie boots with the stars right off my feet. I remember when I was 3 1/2 my brother (21 years older than me) and his bitchy wife were babysitting me, and I got sent to the corner facing packing boxes for something stupid that I still don't have any idea what I actually did, and Lisa went to get lunch from McDonalds. I was wearing a purple and black long sleeve shirt that day, my favorite shirt besides the yellow one. They got me a chicken nugget happy meal but I was so mad I would only eat the fries, and I had to stand in the corner eating them out of the little red fry box off the top of a box. By the time they were given to me they were cold and I got in more trouble because I didn't want to eat cold fries. I have a lot of childhood memories that are like little silent movies in time. Most have no audio, only visual. I remember things in pictures so it is like a photo-flip book in my head. Many memories from childhood are indeed hazy, but some of them are very, very clear. The only things I ever get mixed up are colors, I will switch things like purple and yellow, and red and green. I do that even now with recent things, for some reason I'll remember a color's exact opposite instead of the actual color. I have asked people involved about things I remember, and what they say matches about 95% of the time. I had to ask my mother how old I was for some of them, because I had little concept of how old I was until about age 4. Speaking of being 4... oh geez the horse/unicorn birthday cake debacle... I was upset because mom made and presented me with a purple glittery 3d unicorn cake at Grandma's house, and I wanted a brown horse one. You get the point... little kids can sometimes remember things with great clarity. I think it may depend on how you remember things though. I remember everything like a picture, which helps a great deal for tests because I can "see" and read blocks of text in my mind. Kind of cool, but really awful if I see something really gross or bad, because the image can get stuck for a while. It does help me find where I put things though!

[waynecook52]

No i'm saying we never accurately remember emotions ... we cna remember events, but the emotions we attach to those events are not accurate... do they have some rembrance of truth in them? sure but when i remembered playing as a child, i don't remember enjoying it, i assume that I enjoyed it because i assume that playing was enjoyable to me when that particular memory happened...

memories are horrificially unreliable.... even short term memories, if we can distort a memory of something that happened say 2 hours ago... imagine how distorted our memories are from decades ago....

they have been twisted and turned and changed as our experiences have shaped our selves... and based on stories we have been told about ourselves when we were younger... So doyou remember having a brother? sure.. do you remember a time you and your brother say went and made a snow fort? course.... but that doesn't mean everything happened the way you remember it, you may have added in details of hte snow fort as your idea of what a snow fort should be grew.. you may remember having a great time with your brother, because in general you and your brother had a good relationship, and don't remember that he put show down your shirt that day, or that he called you a name, or wouldn't let you help him make a certain part of hte fort..

You may assume you had fun that day, because in general building snow forts with your brother is something that should be fun. But you don't actually know if you had fun, you just assume you did, and forget that the day ended up with you in tears because you fell and hurt your wrist, or you got hit in the face with a snow ball... We do not remember every minute of every day, we remember events, and people... and even during a horrific moment during your child, you may 'remember' being afriad, becuase you assume thats what you would feel, but at the time you may not have been afraid at all.....

decades of memory studies show how unreliable they are.... thats all i'm saying.... does it stop me from saying "oh my god i remember how much i loved to play in the woods when i was a kid" noooo of course not..... i still say that.... but in the end of hte day, i do know that relying on my memories of emotions is definitely NOT a good idea.

just saying, don't put so much emphasis on how you remmeber feeling as a child... chances are... you didn't feel that way.....

and by you.... i mean the third person plural non specific you..... not any particular person.

Sarah,I agree %100 with you about the emotions or feelings you think you had at that age.Thing is sarah i am not saying anything about that.Jeepers Creepers,im talking about the things we did back then.

[diaperbrownie]

Wayne we all seem to be missing the point then. What are you asking frmo your original post? If we have good memories? Mine is pretty good, and it's recent memory too. I remember I got a birthday cake that was 2 feet tall once.