Raid On Sex Dungeon.

[freswith]

The Police have searched a house after reports of strange noises coming from it. They found one of the rooms had been converted into a sex dungeon which was being operated on a commercial basis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7358039/Sex-dungeon-found-in-sleepy-Devon-village.html

This is despite a legal background which would question the entire legal basis for such and action; see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner

Given the increased activity of the UK police in pursuing low-threat high-profile offences (So much more fun than catching burglars and robbers who might turn round and thump you, so much more publicity than booking speeding motorists) it is possible that one day they will try raiding a nursery. The resulting charge sheet should be interesting - but the number of column-inches will be the real object. How can they justify a nappy and a bottle as "harmful"?

Any thoughts?

[flapjackboy]

This is disgraceful and is purely the result of prudish curtain-twitchers in the local community. This was all going on behind closed doors, between consenting adults and was harming nobody.

These busy-bodies should mind their own bloody business.

[Sissy Tami]

This is alarming and yes it can, will and has happened to Nurseries of AB/DL's. Mommy and daddy at DiapersRfun were shut down in much the same way. More thru complaints to theright people and court orders than thru actual police action. But the end result is the same they were shut down.

the debate over what happens behind closed doors being personal will for a long time comming be clouded and confused when money changes hands. Is is prostitution for a mommy, daddy, nanny or babysitter to change a diaper? Apperantly if you have a medical need and a nurse or orderly helps that is ok even though they are being paid to do so. but if you hire a mommy to do it because you like to wear them it's a crime.

Phone mommies will cover all sorts of sexual issues that we babies would want to talk about that envolve very sexual situations. Most of these would be fall under the laws of prostitution in most states, cities, countries and providences.

Trouble is that most adult nuresries are very clear about not providing these types of actual cenrios when you visit. this was clearly the case with DiapersRfun but since they did offer to actualy change a dipaer they were shut down.

True we do need to admit that having a mommy, daddy, nanny or babysitter change our dipaer does have a sexual componenet or aspect to it.

I don't think that we will find a resoulution to this whole issue in the forceable future.

So have them feed you, spank you with a paddle or hair brush and tease or taunt you, but keep the diaper changes, didlos and other sexual aspects out of it and you don't have an issue.

Sissy Tami

[fluff]

Those have to be really, really shakey charges that the few have been arrested upon.

And I bet at least one of the searching officers was a little bit gutted at the thought that only now he/she'd found this place.

[peelover]

I have a question. Even if changing diapers is considered prostitution, why should it be illegal? Prostitution is also done behind closed doors and doesn't harm anyone.

[AutieAB]

Those have to be really, really shakey charges that the few have been arrested upon.

It says they've been arrested and bailed*, not charged. In 'unusual' cases, the police tend to seek advice from the CPS about what charges if any are appropriate to bring so in all likelihood, they bailed them to reappear at such a date during which time they'll gather the evidence and see what the CPS have to say. When they answer bail, the police will presumably either charge them with something obscure or tell them to be on their way. It'll be interesting to see them trying to make anything stick assuming that they have no evidence of sex being paid for...

I'd wager it will quietly go away when the CPS realise that the chance of a conviction when no sex occurred is slim indeed and that the likelihood of massive amounts of egg on their face if they try and prosecute is quite high

It also says they're tenants though so they're likely to have their rental agreement terminated. Most sensible landlords will include a clause to stop tenants making major changes to the property.

* Note for our American friends, 'bail' in the UK is quite different from the US version.

[flapjackboy]

Police say it the semi detached home is located in a "nice and decent" area and the sex dungeon had been built in one of the smaller bedrooms.

IMHO, it's people from these "nice and decent" areas who are most likely to be seen in this kind of place because of the stigma attached to said interests.

[bedwetter73]

This is disgraceful and is purely the result of prudish curtain-twitchers in the local community. This was all going on behind closed doors, between consenting adults and was harming nobody.

These busy-bodies should mind their own bloody business.

HELL yes buddy speak the word!!!! That's so true. Consent, it brings up so many individual thoughts.

[ranger]

I didn't see anything in the article about prostitution. I don't know about the U.K., but in the states this would probably constitute charges for running a business in a non-commercial zone without a liscense. I have to side with the neighbors if cars were coming and going constantly and what was going on inside could be heard outside.

[Goerge]

It says they've been arrested and bailed*, not charged. In 'unusual' cases, the police tend to seek advice from the CPS about what charges if any are appropriate to bring so in all likelihood, they bailed them to reappear at such a date during which time they'll gather the evidence and see what the CPS have to say. When they answer bail, the police will presumably either charge them with something obscure or tell them to be on their way. It'll be interesting to see them trying to make anything stick assuming that they have no evidence of sex being paid for...

I'd wager it will quietly go away when the CPS realise that the chance of a conviction when no sex occurred is slim indeed and that the likelihood of massive amounts of egg on their face if they try and prosecute is quite high

It also says they're tenants though so they're likely to have their rental agreement terminated. Most sensible landlords will include a clause to stop tenants making major changes to the property.

* Note for our American friends, 'bail' in the UK is quite different from the US version.

My guess tax evasion if they kept records other then that what charges can they bring? I bet the police raided this house on suspicion that is was some kind of sex brothel with illegal workers, it only takes a few complaining neighbours for them to investigate. The media only run this story because they thought it was funny...

[curiositykilledthecat]

Well the British government is overpowered and insane so what do you expect? Personally dungeons creep me out but if it's done on the up and up I'm okay with it.

[turtlepins]

I have a question. Even if changing diapers is considered prostitution, why should it be illegal? Prostitution is also done behind closed doors and doesn't harm anyone.

Unfortunately much of prostitution is a slavery industry. It does harm the innocent in many cases. Just talk to an F.B.I. agent that works in missing persons. Many of the children and young girls that disappear in our country are taken against their will (if children) for either child pornography, prostitution, or worse. Many young women that end up in prostitution began by running away from home, were approached at a bus or train station and enslaved to prostitution. Many of the pimps that operate in this industry use drug addiction to keep their women under their control.

Some women choose the occupation, and even when that is the case can we truly say it doesn't harm anyone? I don't know. Unfortunately, our legal community is so busy fighting criminals, they can't fight crime, or differentiate between the two. So the dilemma remains. I think prostitution is an insidiously heinous blight on any culture, just as is slavery. Think about it.

[freswith]

I bet the police raided this house on suspicion that is was some kind of sex brothel with illegal workers, it only takes a few complaining neighbours for them to investigate. The media only run this story because they thought it was funny...

I think the police raided the place because it was a quiet afternoon and the felt like having some fun.

Question 1: Did they take the suspects away in (fur lined?) handcuffs and chain them to the wall of the interrogation room?

Question 2: Did they then bill them for the privilege?

(In the UK, tax evasion is the bailiwick of the Revenue and Customs. The Police rarely get involved.)

[DprDJeff]

Actually, it has been pretty much proven over and over again that prostitution is only harmful when it's illegal. When it's legal, it is moderated and taxed. The vast majority of people will act within the law if given the opportunity, so making it legal removes the market for the low lifes and criminals. Multiple European countries and Nevada have shown that prostitution can be regulated, raise money for the community and remain safe.

Unfortunately much of prostitution is a slavery industry. It does harm the innocent in many cases. Just talk to an F.B.I. agent that works in missing persons. Many of the children and young girls that disappear in our country are taken against their will (if children) for either child pornography, prostitution, or worse. Many young women that end up in prostitution began by running away from home, were approached at a bus or train station and enslaved to prostitution. Many of the pimps that operate in this industry use drug addiction to keep their women under their control.

Some women choose the occupation, and even when that is the case can we truly say it doesn't harm anyone? I don't know. Unfortunately, our legal community is so busy fighting criminals, they can't fight crime, or differentiate between the two. So the dilemma remains. I think prostitution is an insidiously heinous blight on any culture, just as is slavery. Think about it.

[Creepymouse]

Now, I believe that sex is for within marriage, but I know that not everyone feels the same. What bothers me is this: I should be able to hire anybody to do anything for me that I want to have done, so long as they are agreeable to do said service for me. Diaper changes, private dance, "adult" massage, who cares? If it doesn't go inside anybody and there's no "O" then it wasn't sex.

(on a side note, I've had a passing interest in getting a private session from one of the huge-bust models that are sometimes available in Nevada, I have an unbelievable breast fetish, and I'd love to see a pair of 34Ks up close.)

[AutieAB]

The law is clear, no consent to offences against the person.

So you're saying they could be charged with assault or ABH? Surely such a 'crime' would be impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt, assuming they'd have a hard time getting the 'victims' to stand up in court and say they were whipped by that nasty dominatrix in the dock (that's assuming they can even find the clients in the first place, of course - you'd imagine such establishments aren't keen on record-keeping).

There's also a question of whether charges would be in the public interest, isn't there?

[Sissy Tami]

I agree with what you say about prostitution as a whole being terible and not a victimless crime like so many say.

I am not sure that is the case in places like nevada where it is leagle and heavely regulated. of course there are illegal prostitutes in nevada where the whole slave thing is a problem.

More needs to be done to stop the child sex and slave trades!!

[timmyc]

I was not selling sex, I was selling $100 condoms, and giving a free demonstration.

[WallaWalla]

Well the British government is overpowered and insane so what do you expect? Personally dungeons creep me out but if it's done on the up and up I'm okay with it.

Believe it or not, every one I've been to(about four) has been a very comfortable and relaxed atmosphere. Maybe in some of the really densely populated areas you run into some seedy stuff, but the ones that are being run out of people's homes are about as seedy as any house in the suburbs is. Usually people are operating out of their homes and they are very concerned about not drawing negative attention from their neighbors or the wrong kind of clients. Also, the whole 'no sex thing' isn't just a disclaimer in any case I've witnessed, they take the legal aspect very seriously. The policy that seems most common is no penetration and no exchange of bodily fluids(to include saliva).

Can't speak for nurseries, never been to one of those. I would imagine them to be very similar though.

[curiositykilledthecat]

I'm a tad shy with that kind of stuff, I wouldn't mind attending one and watching what they do, however getting beaten with whips and stuff just doesn't do anything for me. If it did, I would have had a whole different outlook on my childhood.(okay no chains oir whips, my parents weren't that bad, but yeah same difference)

[flapjackboy]

(that's assuming they can even find the clients in the first place, of course - you'd imagine such establishments aren't keen on record-keeping).

On the contrary, could come in quite handy if the judge they get assigned is a regular.