Am I Intolerant ? Nearly Had A Bike Accident Yestereve...

[diaperwearntigger]

Ok, I just read the post, but not all the replies....that would like take forever lol..... but I am an AB, and not really offended by what you had said, more like surprised I guess... considering even if you aren't an AB, you are a DL and part of the community, and you should be supportive of everyone even if YOU don't like it, understand it, or even it... we have to remember that we still have one thing in common... diapers....

With that being said, I think, (my own personal opinion) is that the reason it bothered you so badly is because its part of your community... it is something you are into... the diapers that is....you go on to say that gay people and BDSM doesn't bother you because its NOT part of you... its not something YOU are into... but a person, whether it be AB or DL, was showing the world what they are into and seeing how you are into it as well, it bothered you. Does this make sense? Its kind of hard to explain what I'm thinking at times lol

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that, this person is representing your community, and seeing how they might have done it in a way you don't agree with, you got disgusted because you probably deep down inside are worried about what others would think of you, if they had seen you in your diapers etc.... I think we are tolerant of other people's ways because it doesnt represent us, nor are we are part of it, so its easier to just dismiss it and ignore it, but when someone who does something embarrassing to the whole community, then one takes offense to it, because not only are they thinking badly about that person, but everyone that wears diapers....

I hope that makes sense...and most likely, even though I am an AB, i probably would have taken offense to it as well, for the exact reasons as I stated above. I don't personally feel that its something that should be flaunted in public, nor do I feel its something that needs to be accepted by society.... in my OPINION, I feel those who want society to accept their diaper wearing is because deep down inside they just want some kind of acceptance, and most likely from family members rather than society, and they probably feel that if society accepts them, then their family and friends will as well.... I definitely wear out under my clothes, but never dress up AB going out, I feel that is something that is and should be shared with your SO....

[jenniebear]

very nicely said tiggs...no getting sidetracked........clear and to the point! ...... well done!

[Eric D]

Ok, I just read the post, but not all the replies....that would like take forever lol..... but I am an AB, and not really offended by what you had said, more like surprised I guess... considering even if you aren't an AB, you are a DL and part of the community, and you should be supportive of everyone even if YOU don't like it, understand it, or even it... we have to remember that we still have one thing in common... diapers....

With that being said, I think, (my own personal opinion) is that the reason it bothered you so badly is because its part of your community... it is something you are into... the diapers that is....you go on to say that gay people and BDSM doesn't bother you because its NOT part of you... its not something YOU are into... but a person, whether it be AB or DL, was showing the world what they are into and seeing how you are into it as well, it bothered you. Does this make sense? Its kind of hard to explain what I'm thinking at times lol

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that, this person is representing your community, and seeing how they might have done it in a way you don't agree with, you got disgusted because you probably deep down inside are worried about what others would think of you, if they had seen you in your diapers etc.... I think we are tolerant of other people's ways because it doesnt represent us, nor are we are part of it, so its easier to just dismiss it and ignore it, but when someone who does something embarrassing to the whole community, then one takes offense to it, because not only are they thinking badly about that person, but everyone that wears diapers....

Tigger,

I long thought to not to reply to this thread here anymore - as I've felt that everything which was necessary had been said. However, I have to disagree a lot with what you have written and "assumed" in your post.

I'll try to make it a short reply though (I'm not too good at that though;)) (I have included a short two line synopsis of what I try to say at the bottom of this post, marked in bold type-face... so if anyone doesn't want to indulge with my full-detail answer - skip it)

First I'm glad I didn't offend you - because offending someone here was never my intention.

Where I disagree most, and I have stated my feelings, ideology, ideas, thoughts about this previously in different threads throughout the board:

I don't look for a "community" in any way - I'm simply not interested in being part of a community. (I'm not much of a community guy in real life either... and prefer to spend most of my time in solitude)

Also, for me AB & DL couldn't be any more different - it's a vastly different thing, and I'm rahter "unhappy" about the fact that somehow it was chosen to lump as all together under the combinative acronym "ABDL".

Please - don't get me wrong with this, I'm NOT SAYING That AB's are something bad, or that I have a general dislike for the PEOPLE WHO indulge into AB Stuff. Only because someone loves to see a horse-race it doesn't make him a F1 fan at the same time, only because he loves seeing a race. (I know the example is lame, but it helps to explain what I want). Or someone who's a latex fetishist is not automatically into BDSM.

But I feel and believe that it TAKES MORE than diapers to unite a group... especially when the rest of the "stuff" is quite different.

I see ABism more as a RolePlay thing, where diapers play their part... and my DLism (I say "My" because I can't automatically speak for others) is NOT AT ALL about any Roleplay, babystuff, dressing up, giving up responsibility and for sure not about being a different alter ego at times. And now, why between heaven and hell, should we unite just because of diapers?

Now about BDSM, just as a side note, quite the opposite - I like lots of things about BDSM, and the reason I went to BDSM Clubs with some of my ex-gfs is because we were "into" doing some BDSM stuff and NOT BECAUE OF DIAPERS.

Another thing is diapers. I love wearing them because they feel good, and sometimes give me a good sexual side-pleasure.... But diapers - FOR ME - are not very important in my life, it's something I love to do occasionally - when I'm in the right mood. And sometimes I wear when it's practical... There have been times where I didd put my diaper-wearing aside 100% because I was either didn't feel like it or for example when I served with the military for five years... it wasn't even difficult to stop for that time, I had other things on my mind. I'm not feeling guilty or weird because I like to wear diapers, but it's only a tiny aspect of my person and not something MAJOR in my life.

And last but absolutely NOT LEAST:

you are a DL and part of the community, and you should be supportive of everyone even if YOU don't like it, understand it, or even it...

Shoot me (please), the very day when I start to be supportive of anyone within a community (even if I'm not willingly part of it) no matter whether I like the persons actions or not.

For chirst sake - let me put it like this... If I'd be a member of a sport club... and one of my team-buddies would be into raping girls... WHY SHOULD I SUPPORT THIS? Quite to the contrary, I'd beat his fucken ass up bad and call the police..

Or less "wild": I'm an adult, I have my own life, I have RESPONSIBLITY towards myself, for my own actions and last but not least for what is happening around me (If I walk past by two guys who beat up one, I'll do something about it... it's part of being responsible) - AND THAT ALL LEADS ME to the point, that I decide on my own WHAT I find OK to support and what I condemn or about what I don't give a shite.

Sorry to sound so strong about this, but if you believe in supporting anyone no matter if you find their actions good or not, JUST because that someone is in the same "community" as you are - then you've chosen a path I can never support.

To keep it super simple - summa summarum: No Thank You, I can decide on my own what, whom and under which circumstances, I'm willing to support - and whom, waht and when I condemn someone/something. And No thanks once more, I can make up my own mind and be part of a COMMUNITY or not.

Besides, I have little respect for home-made psychoanalysis of any person - especially when the "analyst" doesn't really now his "subject"

[Eric D]

very nicely said tiggs...no getting sidetracked........clear and to the point! ...... well done!

quite to the contrary imho.

[diaperwearntigger]

Tigger,

I long thought to not to reply to this thread here anymore - as I've felt that everything which was necessary had been said. However, I have to disagree a lot with what you have written and "assumed" in your post.

I'll try to make it a short reply though (I'm not too good at that though;)) (I have included a short two line synopsis of what I try to say at the bottom of this post, marked in bold type-face... so if anyone doesn't want to indulge with my full-detail answer - skip it)

First I'm glad I didn't offend you - because offending someone here was never my intention.

Where I disagree most, and I have stated my feelings, ideology, ideas, thoughts about this previously in different threads throughout the board:

I don't look for a "community" in any way - I'm simply not interested in being part of a community. (I'm not much of a community guy in real life either... and prefer to spend most of my time in solitude)

Also, for me AB & DL couldn't be any more different - it's a vastly different thing, and I'm rahter "unhappy" about the fact that somehow it was chosen to lump as all together under the combinative acronym "ABDL".

Please - don't get me wrong with this, I'm NOT SAYING That AB's are something bad, or that I have a general dislike for the PEOPLE WHO indulge into AB Stuff. Only because someone loves to see a horse-race it doesn't make him a F1 fan at the same time, only because he loves seeing a race. (I know the example is lame, but it helps to explain what I want). Or someone who's a latex fetishist is not automatically into BDSM.

But I feel and believe that it TAKES MORE than diapers to unite a group... especially when the rest of the "stuff" is quite different.

I see ABism more as a RolePlay thing, where diapers play their part... and my DLism (I say "My" because I can't automatically speak for others) is NOT AT ALL about any Roleplay, babystuff, dressing up, giving up responsibility and for sure not about being a different alter ego at times. And now, why between heaven and hell, should we unite just because of diapers?

Now about BDSM, just as a side note, quite the opposite - I like lots of things about BDSM, and the reason I went to BDSM Clubs with some of my ex-gfs is because we were "into" doing some BDSM stuff and NOT BECAUE OF DIAPERS.

Another thing is diapers. I love wearing them because they feel good, and sometimes give me a good sexual side-pleasure.... But diapers - FOR ME - are not very important in my life, it's something I love to do occasionally - when I'm in the right mood. And sometimes I wear when it's practical... There have been times where I didd put my diaper-wearing aside 100% because I was either didn't feel like it or for example when I served with the military for five years... it wasn't even difficult to stop for that time, I had other things on my mind. I'm not feeling guilty or weird because I like to wear diapers, but it's only a tiny aspect of my person and not something MAJOR in my life.

And last but absolutely NOT LEAST:

Shoot me (please), the very day when I start to be supportive of anyone within a community (even if I'm not willingly part of it) no matter whether I like the persons actions or not.

For chirst sake - let me put it like this... If I'd be a member of a sport club... and one of my team-buddies would be into raping girls... WHY SHOULD I SUPPORT THIS? Quite to the contrary, I'd beat his fucken ass up bad and call the police..

Or less "wild": I'm an adult, I have my own life, I have RESPONSIBLITY towards myself, for my own actions and last but not least for what is happening around me (If I walk past by two guys who beat up one, I'll do something about it... it's part of being responsible) - AND THAT ALL LEADS ME to the point, that I decide on my own WHAT I find OK to support and what I condemn or about what I don't give a shite.

Sorry to sound so strong about this, but if you believe in supporting anyone no matter if you find their actions good or not, JUST because that someone is in the same "community" as you are - then you've chosen a path I can never support.

To keep it super simple - summa summarum: No Thank You, I can decide on my own what, whom and under which circumstances, I'm willing to support - and whom, waht and when I condemn someone/something. And No thanks once more, I can make up my own mind and be part of a COMMUNITY or not.

Besides, I have little respect for home-made psychoanalysis of any person - especially when the "analyst" doesn't really now his "subject"

You have every right to disagree with me just like I have every right to state my opinion... I honestly didn't even read all of your post back to me.... I lost interest after the first paragraph or so, but skimmed through most of it.... I must say though, I'm sorry to say that you don't support the community, or anyone in it, yet you come here... this is a community, it is a place to be accepted and to talk to others who have similar interests...... you even stated you like to be by yourself and in solitude...this is obvious your choice, but I must say probably not a very healthy one.

I have read many of your posts and have disagreed with numerous ones of them, but just have no desire nor the time to post to all.... I do have reponsiblities in my adulthood as well and also have a career and family... diapers far from consume me and its only something I do here and there and manily when stressed, tired, or not feeling well....

I have a feeling if you keep the attitude that you do have against us ABs and seems like DLs as well, considering you don't consider yourself apart of the community nor accpet anyone who is into the scene... that you will find yourself alone and when in need of support you probably won't get much from me... or others for that matter....

It's pretty sad when a lot of us don't have support from outside of this "community" but when one to identifies with us as a DL, but doesn't support his fellow diaper lovers.... then thats even worse.... however YOU want to look at it is fine, but when you take ALL the labels away, and thats just it, they are labels and NO ONE said you have to identify with those labels...... the only thing left is the diapers.... Everyone here is because of the diapers....do you really think you would be here if you had no interest in Diapers? probably not.... I guess I'm an accepting person of all types of people on here... i personally don't care if you are an AB or a DL or a sissy or whatever... I don't care... I'm here to learn about people...... i dont label people.... i see that too much in my career as a teacher.... I consider myself an AB, but I am certainly not into it as much as others who claim to be AB.... and I guess i don't get my DIAPER in a bunch like a lot of you because there are labels out there that you don't fit in and you get tired of being labeled that way.... who honestly gives a FUCK.....those that do care so badly need to get a life.... My life is full of real things far much more important that sitting around worried about what label i fit into and dont....

Maybe you are misinterpurting my definition of support here..... I don't agree with what that person did... I wouldn't do it myself...but the way I look at it is this.... is that person who is doing it affecting my life in anyway... not really... so why should I let it bother me...what I was saying which you took the wrong way is this... it bothered you because it does affect your life in some way... cause if it didn't you wouldn't be so pissed off about this person's behavior that you don't even KNOW..... There are a lot of things out there in life I don't agree with, but I certainly don't get pissed about it and allow it to control my life...because in the end, it doesn't control what i do in my life....so why should i even waste my time... as far as supporting goes... one would say.. kudos to that person for being so brave to be who they truly want to be in life.... i dont agree, but kudos to them.

We are all entitled to our opinion... as well as Jenniebear.....and in my opinion you're going to find yourself in a lonely position because I for one won't support you in a "community" who has certainly welcomed you, even if you don't identify yourself as part of the "community"....which leads me back to my original question... why are you even here then?

[Baby Bethany]

"But I feel and believe that it TAKES MORE than diapers to unite a group... especially when the rest of the "stuff" is quite different.

I see ABism more as a RolePlay thing, where diapers play their part... and my DLism (I say "My" because I can't automatically speak for others) is NOT AT ALL about any Roleplay, babystuff, dressing up, giving up responsibility and for sure not about being a different alter ego at times."

It certainly is only your form of "DLism" as many DL's I've met like to role play and get involved in age play (usually as older kids.) Also, it kills me when certain DL's slag off AB's only to go asking for a mommy or daddy. Why the hell does it matter what age you play? 12months or 12 years......it's still age play.

Perhaps, as your fetish is so unique Eric you could start your own forum. It could be called something like:

Eric D's Diaper Forum (Note: No age play, role play, dressing up, daddies, mommies or dudes who like walking around the street as babies welcome!)

You would no doubt be the only member. I reckon you could still have an argument.

Beth

[Baby Bethany]

LOL. There is something to be said for common decency. "No shirt, no shoes, no service" There is a reason why people aren't allowed to go around nude in public. Some things should stay in the home, and not be shown in public. It's about decency, respect, and common sense. Something this person he saw clearly didn't have.

I agree, but that's not what I meant. You stated in a previous post that 40 - 50 year old guys who are into this stuff creep you out. The question I asked was what will you do at 40? That maybe you've fooled yourself you won't be into this by then.

Perhaps you think that all male AB's should retire at 40? Maybe you could open a special old folks nursery, hey I would only have to wait two years and I could retire to there too.......would I get my own crib?

Only joking with you Lil baby, but it was these guys that paved the way for you youngsters. If it wasn't for them you wouldn't have any AB clothes, sites or anything.

Take care

Beth

[Eric D]

You have every right to disagree with me just like I have every right to state my opinion... I honestly didn't even read all of your post back to me.... I lost interest after the first paragraph or so, but skimmed through most of it.... I must say though, I'm sorry to say that you don't support the community, or anyone in it, yet you come here... this is a community, it is a place to be accepted and to talk to others who have similar interests...... you even stated you like to be by yourself and in solitude...this is obvious your choice, but I must say probably not a very healthy one....

...

Believe me or not, I did not come here seeking any kind of support, acceptance, group-hugging or any sort of weird form of internet group therapy...

Life over time has taught me a few things, one being to be able to rely on my own, to stand on my own - to be independent of groups and "communities". I have what one would refer to as a small but true and long-time circle of good friends, whom I can trust and who have trust in me.

I've got some news to for you: There is LIFE outside of the internet. I can all but smile if you think I'm lonely - as I clearly know I'm not.

Do you have one friend, or even more than one, who would risk his/hers life for you should it ever come to that? Who wouldn't hesitate to help you out when you really need it? Would you do the same for someone in your life? I can sincerely answer to both of the questions with yes - can you?

Feel free to judge, pseudo-hobby-analyse me and last but not least believe whatever you may want.

But I'm far from being that desperate for support, acceptance & community-attachment that I would support any member of a community for their own actions, if I the action stands against what I believe in or what I find correct or even ok. I judge a person as an individual, I don't care about their "membership" with any "community" or group.

That aside let me provide an answer to your question as to why I am visiting this forums:

1. I like to communicate (who would have guessed )

2. Some (a very small number though) of the stories I find worthwhile to read

3. Some posts here are interesting, others I can sometimes find amusing.

4. Basically I regard this place here as some sort of virtual, interactive "magazine"...

I can only stress, that I search neither for a welcoming community nor any form of support. Neither am I looking for group-hugging sessions, a group therapy (actually I'm not needing any therapy at all, or anything in that area...

if you do, and if for you this place fulfills this need(s), then fine... But accept that it's not the same for everyone...

[Eric D]

I agree, but that's not what I meant. You stated in a previous post that 40 - 50 year old guys who are into this stuff creep you out. The question I asked was what will you do at 40? That maybe you've fooled yourself you won't be into this by then.

Perhaps you think that all male AB's should retire at 40? Maybe you could open a special old folks nursery, hey I would only have to wait two years and I could retire to there too.......would I get my own crib?

Only joking with you Lil baby, but it was these guys that paved the way for you youngsters. If it wasn't for them you wouldn't have any AB clothes, sites or anything.

Take care

Beth

Beth, now what was that exactly you mentioned in a verbally "graphic" way a bit earlier??? If my memory doesn't fail me utterly it was something about "BEATING A DEAD HORSE" - or something along that line???

now who's beating the poor ol' dead horse?

[Eric D]

"But I feel and believe that it TAKES MORE than diapers to unite a group... especially when the rest of the "stuff" is quite different.

I see ABism more as a RolePlay thing, where diapers play their part... and my DLism (I say "My" because I can't automatically speak for others) is NOT AT ALL about any Roleplay, babystuff, dressing up, giving up responsibility and for sure not about being a different alter ego at times."

It certainly is only your form of "DLism" as many DL's I've met like to role play and get involved in age play (usually as older kids.) Also, it kills me when certain DL's slag off AB's only to go asking for a mommy or daddy. Why the hell does it matter what age you play? 12months or 12 years......it's still age play.

Perhaps, as your fetish is so unique Eric you could start your own forum. It could be called something like:

Eric D's Diaper Forum (Note: No age play, role play, dressing up, daddies, mommies or dudes who like walking around the street as babies welcome!)

You would no doubt be the only member. I reckon you could still have an argument.

Beth

I won't even go as far as to go over that over and over again... mate, look I see you've got a problem with someone having a different view about things...

I said *I* see it the way I mentioned it - after all tigger directed a specific question at me and that was my answer.

take it out of it's context and play with it if it bemuses you ...

you maybe should listen more closely to your own wisdom, beating dead horses, not indulging anymore, calling it a time to quit, being accepting of each other and all of that... I fail to see any of these in your replies here these days... I must wonder what happened to that piece of wisdom..

[Baby Bethany]

Beth, now what was that exactly you mentioned in a verbally "graphic" way a bit earlier??? If my memory doesn't fail me utterly it was something about "BEATING A DEAD HORSE" - or something along that line???

now who's beating the poor ol' dead horse?

I didn't mention beating a dead horse, Pampers Pete posted a cartoon of it.

Very funny it was too!

Beth

[xdiapergirlx]

i agree. i dont have a problem with most fetishes; im very open minded, but i dont think people should go around in public dressed like a little girl. i dont think society should have to exposed to that. if you're being discrete its ok, but not dressed so openly like that. you can be proud of your fetish without doing that.

[Baby Bethany]

i agree. i dont have a problem with most fetishes; im very open minded, but i dont think people should go around in public dressed like a little girl. i dont think society should have to exposed to that. if you're being discrete its ok, but not dressed so openly like that. you can be proud of your fetish without doing that.

I think 99% of us agree with you DG.

Beth

[Necare]

Being a moral relativist, I don`t believe in any kind of moral objectivity whatsoever. There are no absolute truths that we all must attain for spiritual perfection, there are no absolute truths that some are better equipped to attain, where others are wandering around in a spiritual poverty. This does not imply that we are thrown into an anarchistic chaos, where "everything goes", this does not imply that different moral systems will always be strictly separated, that there is no possibility for communication, for reconciliation.

In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing that is objectively "right" or "wrong", yes you may find it disgusting that someone steals or kills, you may find it disgusting that an AB chooses to put himself on public display, but as I view it, we are talking about different moral systems here. One says it is perfectly allright to steal, one sees no wrong in killing, another one chooses to disregard the public consensus of what constitutes decency. To me, arrogance is to presume that one morality shall fit all, and that it is a matter of how far or near one are to a "universal truth." That, to me taste too much of the notion of the blessed and the damned. Morals, as truth, is a human construction.

Eric D, I disagree with you, and personally it would not offend my moral palate the slightest if an AB happened to display himself in public, for me it would be a total waste of energy to let myself be bothered by such a petty thing. You think from a perspective I personally find foreign, but that is your prerogative, and considering what I just said, any kind of preaching to "open your eyes to see the TRUTH", would surely go against everything I believe in. Regarding what you said about not wanting to be part of any community, to prefer solitude to the community spirit, I applaude you for that! Alas, solitude is, in our day and age, a long forgotten virtue, it seems.

[Guest]

Being a moral relativist, I don`t believe in any kind of moral objectivity whatsoever. There are no absolute truths that we all must attain for spiritual perfection, there are no absolute truths that some are better equipped to attain, where others are wandering around in a spiritual poverty. This does not imply that we are thrown into an anarchistic chaos, where "everything goes", this does not imply that different moral systems will always be strictly separated, that there is no possibility for communication, for reconciliation.

In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing that is objectively "right" or "wrong", yes you may find it disgusting that someone steals or kills, you may find it disgusting that an AB chooses to put himself on public display, but as I view it, we are talking about different moral systems here. One says it is perfectly allright to steal, one sees no wrong in killing, another one chooses to disregard the public consensus of what constitutes decency. To me, arrogance is to presume that one morality shall fit all, and that it is a matter of how far or near one are to a "universal truth." That, to me taste too much of the notion of the blessed and the damned. Morals, as truth, is a human construction.

Eric D, I disagree with you, and personally it would not offend my moral palate the slightest if an AB happened to display himself in public, for me it would be a total waste of energy to let myself be bothered by such a petty thing. You think from a perspective I personally find foreign, but that is your prerogative, and considering what I just said, any kind of preaching to "open your eyes to see the TRUTH", would surely go against everything I believe in. Regarding what you said about not wanting to be part of any community, to prefer solitude to the community spirit, I applaude you for that! Alas, solitude is, in our day and age, a long forgotten virtue, it seems.

My moral standard is

An it harm none, do what ye will.

Works great! Just throwing that out there.

[Eric D]

Being a moral relativist, I don`t believe in any kind of moral objectivity whatsoever. There are no absolute truths that we all must attain for spiritual perfection, there are no absolute truths that some are better equipped to attain, where others are wandering around in a spiritual poverty. This does not imply that we are thrown into an anarchistic chaos, where "everything goes", this does not imply that different moral systems will always be strictly separated, that there is no possibility for communication, for reconciliation.

In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing that is objectively "right" or "wrong", yes you may find it disgusting that someone steals or kills, you may find it disgusting that an AB chooses to put himself on public display, but as I view it, we are talking about different moral systems here. One says it is perfectly allright to steal, one sees no wrong in killing, another one chooses to disregard the public consensus of what constitutes decency. To me, arrogance is to presume that one morality shall fit all, and that it is a matter of how far or near one are to a "universal truth." That, to me taste too much of the notion of the blessed and the damned. Morals, as truth, is a human construction.

Eric D, I disagree with you, and personally it would not offend my moral palate the slightest if an AB happened to display himself in public, for me it would be a total waste of energy to let myself be bothered by such a petty thing. You think from a perspective I personally find foreign, but that is your prerogative, and considering what I just said, any kind of preaching to "open your eyes to see the TRUTH", would surely go against everything I believe in. Regarding what you said about not wanting to be part of any community, to prefer solitude to the community spirit, I applaude you for that! Alas, solitude is, in our day and age, a long forgotten virtue, it seems.

I partially agree with you about relativism, although I know that "right" and "wrong" have always been a rather flexible thing I think that it's not working to take something out of it's context.

Take killing - after five years in the military, two different crisis areas and active duty (not sitting somewhere in a basecamp), I have seen my fair share of killing - if tomorrow I decide that I find my neighbor boring, not ok and he and his familiy piss me off for some tiny reason - it would be (I guess we can all agree) considered WRONG if I go down there and just kill 'em all. it is certainly something I would find absolutely wrong if anyone would do it - no matter the reason. On the other hand, if a girl gets abused daily by her father from her 5th year of life onwards till she's 15... if she then one day has really enough, so enough of it that she takes a kitchen knife and stabs her dad twenty times, I guess the majority of us would be OK with it - it would be "understandable", it would be "not really wrong".

In a war it's a bit towards the later - it's a conflict, a known life/death matter where some are willing to fight with their lifes for - there Killing becomes a statistic number towards the broad public (what it is for the individual who had killed is something different)... Joseph Stalin once said something like "10 deaths are a tragedy, 10'000 a number within a statistic" - a sad but true issue.

I agree that morals same as truth is indeed a very human construction - but it is something that has been sticking with "us" for a long time in one form of the other - and I believe on certain levels a general, simplified consensus can be found "agreeable" by most. And last but not least, those who decide to live within a society (Which I assume are all here who post on this board...) have to consider the moral standards and the "code of conduct" set by the type of society and the area they live in. 99% of us would for example clearly say that rape is WRONG - and 99% would for sure say helping someone who did fall down a flight of stairs would be a GOOD deed. And within that extremes there is a lot of "gray area". But there are social structures, morals,...

About the virtue of solitude - yes this is soomething our modern day and age has quite forgotten about it mostly.

[PampersPete]

I like fried chicken...... Do you like fried chicken?....'cause I like fried chicken.....

[Baby Bethany]

I like fried chicken...... Do you like fried chicken?....'cause I like fried chicken.....

I take on board what you're saying Pampers, but just consider that there are people out there who don't like fried chicken and may consider your post offensive.

Personally I consider myself SE/FC which stands for Sometimes Eat Fried Chicken, but I would say you are more IL/FC, i.e. I Like Fried Chicken. All power to you chicken lovers, but I don't want people thinking I like chicken as much as you or giving me your label.

I am pretty convinced that a liking for chicken stems from our childhood, when we perhaps had too many chicken dinners!

Beth

[PampersPete]

I take on board what you're saying Pampers, but just consider that there are people out there who don't like fried chicken and may consider your post offensive.

Personally I consider myself SE/FC which stands for Sometimes Eat Fried Chicken, but I would say you are more IL/FC, i.e. I Like Fried Chicken. All power to you chicken lovers, but I don't want people thinking I like chicken as much as you or giving me your label.

I am pretty convinced that a liking for chicken stems from our childhood, when we perhaps had too many chicken dinners!

Beth

Truly priceless....

[babyboo3]

I take on board what you're saying Pampers, but just consider that there are people out there who don't like fried chicken and may consider your post offensive.

Personally I consider myself SE/FC which stands for Sometimes Eat Fried Chicken, but I would say you are more IL/FC, i.e. I Like Fried Chicken. All power to you chicken lovers, but I don't want people thinking I like chicken as much as you or giving me your label.

I am pretty convinced that a liking for chicken stems from our childhood, when we perhaps had too many chicken dinners!

Beth

Well I'm sorry Beth, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

In my professional opinion, (I'm chairman of the ECED party (Eat Chicken Every Day), the liking of chicken in adulthood is more likely due to not enough chicken dinners in childhood.

As a SE/FC, you are totally not qualified to comment on such things, so I suggest you return to your roast beef dinner and leave us chicken lovers in peace.

[Baby Bethany]

Well I'm sorry Beth, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

In my professional opinion, (I'm chairman of the ECED party (Eat Chicken Every Day), the liking of chicken in adulthood is more likely due to not enough chicken dinners in childhood.

As a SE/FC, you are totally not qualified to comment on such things, so I suggest you return to your roast beef dinner and leave us chicken lovers in peace.

Babyboo, I've no problem with EC/ED's or IL/ED's but there is a time and place for everything. I eat chicken a couple of times a week, but I only eat my chicken at home or among my family. But I've noticed that some of you EC/ED's like eating your chicken in public places, I've seen people for instance eating a chicken burger on the bus. Not everyone likes this, and you should respect that.

The other day, I even saw a guy dressed like a chicken at a football game. Now, imagine the harm this could do to kids say. They could grow up with a phobia of 8 foot tall chickens, or maybe come out in a cold sweat at a picture of Colonel Sanders!

Beth

[diaperwearntigger]

ROFL....its about time some humor came to these posts!

I for one is a chicken lover and do not mind seeing people eat their chicken wherever they want..... as one member has said... An it harm none, do what ye will....so I can't see where my chicken loving would do anyone any harm....however in my personal OPINION it's the meat lovers you have to watch out for....

[Guest]

*cries* Stop hurting the chickens!

[dynamick]

Well - I've just spent a looooong time catching up on threads and I'm really none the wiser as to who is "right" or "wrong" - I don't think there's an answer there - there are many strongly worded, "from the heart" threads.....and there's also a whole heap of horse sh*t too!

My take on the subject (for what it's worth is this....) I'm a DL/bedwetter - I've played about with the AB scene in the past and the BDSM scene (which I have found much more to my liking). I have tried the AB stuff to the point where I had a very lovely online mommy, but although my curiousity was satisfied....it wasn't for me. The fact that I do get turned on wearing a nappy/diaper is no more acceptable or repulsive than the fact I like to be spanked/caned/electrocuted in a nice way/humiliated/butt f*cked by a dominatrix (to name a few) doesn't make me a model citizen or a blight on society. It's just me......I don't expect you to either enjoy the same or understand why I like it - all I ask for is tolerance - something that is sadly lacking in both the ABDL and the BDSM circles. I'd certainly not do any of my "things" in public - that to me would be gut wrenchingly disgusting.....doesn't mean I'm going to stop you doing it though does it?

My "play" or "fetish" (and for me and a good majority of people on here....it is just that) happens behind closed doors or in the company of like minded others. I'm sure there are people out there who are quite happy to go out and crap themselves in public or be thrashed with nettle leaves at a Macdonalds drive through - but.....thats not what tickles my pickle!

I will though share a true story with you....one that was pretty much a defining moment of someone in the AB/DL scene....overstepping the mark. A few years ago - I had a couple of friends I met through *DPF*, nice people...like me they were very much private about what they did - sort of a "mummy/baby" relationship but there was much more to them than that. They had a lodger.....who was very much more in your face - but after a while you got used to him (or her as he is now) tra-la-la-ing about talking gobbledeegook and wearing frilly dresses and rambling on about bloody fairies. On the rare occasions (which became rarer as time went on) that he/she was an adult....you couldnt meet a nicer or more gifted person....

They were pretty cool friends and cool about their lodger being "who" he wanted to be and I had no problem with that. He did however do odd things and then suddenly blame it on "the inner child"...which sometimes confused the situation.....now here's the killer punch.

To enable him (oh balls....lets call them "X") to earn a bit of extra cash and save on travel costs, X stayed with me for 3 days so commuting costs for a temporary job would be cut down. I also (rather nice of me) said that X could dress up, wear diapers and be who he wanted to be.....remembering of course that it was my place and I didnt want it wrecking. I went out one day and left X in the flat.....I came back to find X bouncing on my bed with baby powder in the air and X swinging my cat around by her tail....how would you react when X said "it wasn't me.....it was my inner child....I can't help it".

It took all my strength not to beat the little shit up or swing X around with his tail (which he had at that time)....instead I kicked him out....told him to get out and stay out - my poor cat was traumatized......of course - I never let X back in my place again, the two friends I had although they found X's actions weird......said I handled it wrong and should have just accepted it. Shortly after this....I lost touch with them - two friends lost because of the actions of one self-obsessed f*ckwit!

Now I'm sure that someone will come back at me and either try to defend X's actions or say "it's a one off" - hell's teeth....he swung my damn cat round and dusted my entire home with baby powder......and you want to defend it???

Those of you who have known me for a looooong time (jenniebear, diaperwearintigger, belinda sue fox and all those who I can't think of at 1.50am ) will all know me as someone who isn't afraid to say what I feel about something, I'll have my say.....you'll have your say and I think that basically this entire thread started off that way.

Eric is entitled to his opinion - because we live in a free world, I'd probably feel the same way as him if that same thing happened to me. It doesn't make Eric "right" or me "as bad as Eric"....it just means we have independent thought.

Sorry its a long post.....but I haven't posted for a long time......I thought I should on this one though.

Have a great day

Dynamick x

[Aleia]

I'm a vegetarian.