Enthusi

Okay a few things are coming to mind, none of which you’re gonna like. But I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention it. 1. I would strongly advise against faking incontinence or accidents in order to get permission to wear diapers. Most parents would insist their kid get a medical evaluation and a competent urologist would quickly determine you’re faking it. Then you will have even more explaining to do. 2. Even if you do have some incontinence it’s very mild and common sense would dictate that you try lifestyle interventions or meds before jumping to diapers. 3. I assume you are on the younger side seeing as you live with your parents and rely on them for support. I’m telling you from experience that the 24/7 lifestyle is insanely difficult to pull off at a young age. It’s crazy expensive, it complicates travel and day trips, and limits your dating options, and there are other people in your life to consider besides your parents. When you’re 24/7 you have to take a diaper bag with you EVERYWHERE. You can’t just crash at someone’s house. And, despite your best efforts, leaks will happen and you always need to be prepared for that. I don’t want to deter you, but I’m encouraging you to think realistically about what your life is going to be like if you really were diapered 24/7 for the long run. 4. If you’ve given it a lot of thought and you still want to proceed with 24/7 then you are either going to need to have a mature albeit awkward conversation with your parent(s), or continuing to hide your usage and have a plan for when you are eventually caught.

Slow. Painfully slow. I have been 24/7 going on 4+ years and actively unpotty trained using a mix of behavioral techniques (classical and operant conditioning, hypnosis, guided meditation, etc). The thing is, as slow as it’s been for me, my response is quite remarkable compared to others. That just goes to show for many people it’s even slower than my experience! Take night time for instance. Initially I would wake up in the middle of the night and wet my diaper and go back to sleep. With time that morphed into waking up and wetting in a twilight phase. With more time I started to have dreams where I would pee and I’d wake to find my diaper wet. Gradually I stared wetting during other phases of sleep so that I had no recollection of peeing. Also for the longest time I would sleep wet once a night and wake up with a full bladder. At some point during the last year or so I started wetting a two times then three times at night. These days I have no idea how many times I wet and usually I my bladder feels empty in the morning. Again, I can’t stress how this was a very gradual process over 4 years. As for daytime control, at first I set a timer and made relax my bladder muscles every 30 min or so. And I also practiced relaxing my bladder muscles whenever I noticed they were tense. After a while my body just started doing that on its own. That set off a slow but gradual cycle where my bladder muscles lost some of their strength which meant I had to rely on my diaper more and more. Also, I don’t know exactly when it happened, maybe 1-2 years ago I started to notice my bladder and pelvic floor felt more comfortable in “relaxed mode.” Again it was a slow progression. These days my bladder muscles are defaulted in the relaxed position. This means that I have to actively think about holding it in for me to have any hope of holding in my pee. The second I forget to hold it in my muscles go back to relaxing and I pee myself. Obviously this also means my bladder muscles don’t get exercised and they are even weaker than before. The gradual process continues. A recent development has been the relief I experience when I change to a fresh diaper. It’s like I’m thankful that I don’t have to worry about staying dry or leaks. It’s a hard sensation to describe. It’s a feeling of relief that is super-imposed over my enjoyment of being diapered. Another recent development is that I’ve noticed I’m getting worse at predicting when I’ll need a diaper change. I’ve had a sharp uptick in leaks. My guess is that either the frequency of wetting is getting more erratic, or I’m wetting more than I realize. I’ve started to keep myself on a regular diaper change schedule rather than based on how wet I think I am. To be honest it’s been messing with my head that I can’t trust fully trust my bladder sensations or memory of wetting when deciding if I need a change. The other important piece is accepting that you are incontinent. For me that happened about 6 months ago when I did hypnosis. Even though I’ve had real accidents for several years, for the longest time I felt like I was faking it. I think people underestimate the psychological barriers. It takes time to see yourself differently, such as seeing yourself as an individual living with urinary incontinence. For the most part I don’t miss being potty trained. Though my life certainly would be a heck of a lot easier if I wasn’t incontinent. There’s so much planning that goes into everything! Especially trips and outings with vanilla friends and family. Even so, this was still the right choice for me.

Thanks! The short answer is I am able to wet in any position. The longer, more accurate answer is that it doesn't really matter and I don't really think about it. My bladder does its own thing, which is fine by me. When it's full, it empties. When it's not full it doesn't empty. The rest is moot. Sometimes I can tell I have to go, but it's not actionable information so I mostly don't pay attention. That's not to say position doesn't matter. Quite often I will shift position or stand up and bam! I feel a sudden intense urge immediately followed by warmth in my diaper. But most of the time I don't really think about it.

Absolutely! I've been unpotty training for years and I have the bladder control of a 2 year old, mixed with urge incontinence. I'm not really going to bowel incontinence, but I've had a couple of accidents over the last few years. What many people fail to understand is that incontinence is a symptom, not a condition. (Much like fever is a symptom and not an illness). There's this weird myth that incontinence due to psychological reasons is less legitimate because it is a conditioned response (or lack of response) and can more easily be reversed than other causes such as injury or bladder damage. My rebuttal to that myth is, what if your brain won't let you re-potty train? That's how it is for me anyways. It doesn't matter how potentially reversible and psychological it is. For all intents and purposes I truly am incontinent and stuck in diapers for the indefinite future.

That's great! Can I ask if you have incontinence added to your medical chart? I asked my doc to add it. I'm so glad I did. One less thing to worry about it I have an emergency medical problem. Also isn't it great knowing that you don't plan to go back or re-potty train? Like I said in the above post, incontinence due to untraining or psychological reasons is just as legit a reason to be in diapers as incontinence due to other causes.

Hi friends. I don’t remember the exact date I committed to full 247 but it was around this time 4 years ago. All I know is that I’m never ever going to re-potty train. I don’t want to and even if I did, I’m not sure I could re-potty train. I really don’t think my brain will let me stay dry even if I could strengthen the bladder muscles. A few months ago I realized that incontinence from unpotty training is just as legitimate as incontinence due to any other reason, and since then my bladder control has plummeted. As I mentioned above my brain will not let me. Trust me, you wouldn’t want me in your home without a diaper on. And I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve woken up dry in the past 6 months Recently I seem to be forgetting what it’s like to be able to hold it in for long stretches of time minutes to hours. Has that happened to anyone else? Growing up, I had great bladder control. I clearly remember going on school field trips and assemblies. Heck, I was in band and we would practice for 4 hours at a time. Competitions were all day events. Granted we got brakes, but they were short and infrequent. My point is that even though I clearly was able to stay dry, I can't for the life of me remember how I managed it. These days my bladder has a mind of its own. It's quite common for me to feel no urge to go one minute, and then bladder is exploding a minute later. And it I do feel the way urge to go, I usually will automatically wet second I stop actively trying to hold it. And if I do hold it, the muscles get fatigued to the point where they just give up. To put it another way, a few weeks ago, I asked my brother (who is not an ABDL but knows and supportive of me) on any given day, how confident is he that he won't pee his pants or the bed that night. And I was a bit shocked that he said between 99.999% and 100 percent. To me that's like super human. And then I have to remember that I'm the odd one out! ?

I completely agree that having incontinence on your medical record is extremely liberating. It scared me tom half to death discussing with my doc but I’m so glad it’s on my record because it’s one less thing if something bad happens and I need emergent care and someone sees me in a diaper.

Story time! A few years ago I was at an amusement park with my siblings. They are both vanilla but know I’m 24/7 because I’m blessed to have cool sibs, I guess. Anyways, I distinctly remember them joking with me before we went about how convenient it would be to wear diapers at an amusement park so you don’t have to use gross bathrooms or get stressed in long lines. Fast forward to the end of the day at the park. They were shocked at just how inconvenient it was. For starters I decided to lug my backpack (diaper bag) around rather than rent a locker. But there was hardly any room for their stuff. Second it was hot. Bad day for thick padding. Third, my thighs were chaffing from the diaper and by the end I was basically waddling. Lastly they forgot that I STILL had to stop at the gross bathrooms for diaper changes. I think their naïveté about the 24/7 lifestyle and their response put things into perspective about the degree of inconvenience in all of it.

Anyone else with ADD/ADHD get way too distracted by random thoughts about your diaper or bladder control or lack thereof? Like, if you need a change? Or (for males) if you’re pointed the right way? Or predicting (or in my case, guessing ?) when you will next wet. Or worrying about leaks. Or enjoying your developing incontinence? ? I’m sure it’s the same with everyone. But for those of us with ADHD, it’s so easy to get derailed by these thoughts. Sometimes I wish I could do a better job of being more aloof to the status of my diaper and my bladder and focus on other things instead.

I would imagine it's possible, though probably very hard to pull off. I'd be worried about rash though. I suppose if you're used to it that's different. But my tush is sore just thinking about sleeping in a poopy diaper.

But what if you chose to give up because you know resistance is futile?

Even after unpotty training for years there are a lot of times where I can sense I have to go, and I suspect if I tried to use the big boy potty I probably would have made it, but I just sort of give up because I have a diaper on and besides I'm unpotty training. Though there are plenty of other times where I know for sure I wouldn't make it to the toilet even if I tried. And there's a lot of times where I'm really not sure if it was involuntary because I didn't really try. Obviously it's a continuum and a dynamic one at that. Incontinence itself is a spectrum and contextual. And I realize it doesn't really matter. Still, I'm curious what others think... Do you find there are times when you aren't sure if you had an accident because you just sort of give up on holding it in? Bowel or bladder, I suppose it doesn't really matter.

So it's funny you say this.... When I go to amusement parks or job interview I wear a Rearz Inspire Hybrid diaper. It's the most comfortable and absorbent and I have never had a tape failure.

Your secret is safe with us! We won't tell! ? Sometimes I miss having lucky underwear. I distinctly remember the feeling of a putting on my best fitting, nicest looking underwear whenever I had a big day. Yes obviously you can wear underwear over a diaper. But it's not the same. What about you? What's something you miss?

1. Paddle shifters seem like a useful feature at first. For most of us, we needed to have bladder control to get through schooling. 2. Paddle shifters are meant to give the driver an illusion of control. Yet the computer stops you from doing anything that would damage the transmission. All the time I hear people complaining they still have bladder control, even though they’ll have accidents if they go without a diaper. 3. If you chose to use the paddle shifters but you forget to shift, it’s okay the computer will take over. If you chose to hold it in and you forget, it’s okay your diaper will keep you dry. 4. The manufacturer doesn’t expect anyone to use the paddle shifters. Once you’re unpotty trained no one expects you to control your bladder. 5. Paddle shifters make you appreciate your car’s automatic transmission. Being incontinent makes you appreciate your diapers. XD

I love reading these updates!! ?? My advice? Keep at it. Keep at it. Keep at it. If this is what you truly want then keep at it. We all progress (regress?) at different rates. I’ve been wearing diapers for years, and full 24/7 for 3 years, but recently my bladder control has been in free fall. A year ago I would’ve said I’m continent and can go without a diaper if I had to. Nowadays I truly can’t. Sometimes I only have minutes to seconds of warning before my bladder goes from empty to bursting to peeing uncontrollably. And I wet small amounts so frequently it would be impractical to go anywhere without a diaper. In my personal experience, I would go long stretches with frustratingly little progress before making huge strides. Usually it was after I worked through some subconscious barrier through hypnosis or personal reflection. (I wrote a discussion topic the other day about the four pillars of unpotty training documenting my most recent breakthrough). I realize everyone’s experience is different. But I do think for a lot of us we need to address those hidden forms of resistance to unpotty training that linger in our subconscious. Anywho, keep up the good work! Don’t give up!

Hi all! I had a cathartic moment this past weekend which I'm delighted to share in the hopes of inspiring others. I've been untraining for years now and have made considerable progress. But I was still frustrated and driving myself nuts. I felt a constant need to 'test' to see if I was incontinent by going without diapers. This resulted in many accidents; and yet I would focus on the one time I did stay dry. Or I would get angsty on the rare occasions when I could sense my bladder filling, because it meant I still had to chose using my diaper over the potty. I did a ton of soul searching and concluded that there were two major worries: 1. Incontinence that comes from unpotty training is illegitimate; and 2. Even if there is some incontinence, tape-diapers aren't truly needed to manage it. I realized I had become obsessed with trying to prove that I had severe incontinence and the harder I tried the more frustrated I was when I stalled. Finally after hitting rock bottom I concluded I needed a fundamentally different approach. I came up with these 4 pillars: If you can't fully control your bladder then you have urinary incontinence. Urinary incontinence caused by unpotty training is just as legitimate as incontinence caused by medical problems. The psychological benefit of wearing diapers is sufficient enough to justify their use for managing incontinence. Diapers are essential for further unpotty training and therefore are the best way to manage urinary incontinence due to unpotty training. Holy smokes! Talk about a game changer! It's like a light switch. That pressure to prove I am severely incontinent, and thus diapers are needed has completely vanished. And the best part? Since I've adopted these 4 pillars my bladder control has plummeted. With this type of incontinence the appropriate management is using diapers. Whether or not my bladder can or cannot hold pee is irrelevant. I noticed I'm not paying attention to my bladder nearly as much, which has the effect of making me not even notice when I have to go! Pretty cool, huh? I would say if you're like me and stalling and obsessing about your bladder, give yourself permission to treat your incontinence as legitimate and rest assured that diapers are the best way to mange your incontinence. You'll be pleasantly surprised at your results! ?

Hi all, I’m a very long time lurker. Actually I used to be a regular on the forums under a different name back in the early 2000’s but I digress.... I’ve been 24/7 for a few years now and have made remarkable day and night progress. I wouldn’t trust me to go without a diaper these days. Incontinence isn’t for everyone, but for me I wouldn’t have it any other way. I plan to spend the rest of my life in diapers. My dream is to get to the point where I am oblivious to whether or not I’m wet or dry and the only way I know is by diaper check. However even with my progress that still sees elusive to me. I have developed profound urge incontinence and I dribble a tiny bit during the day time and occasionally I will be too distracted to realize I’m wetting. I just have a faint memory of wetting at some point. But for the most, part I’m very aware when I’m wetting, even if I can’t control it. I’m curious for those here who do wet without realizing, what’s it like? Do you dribble, or do you still have larger voids but are simply unaware? How long did it take you to get to that point? Was it a gradual process? Any other tips? Thanks! Enthusi

I can attest hypnosis is very powerful. It’s helped me tremendously. I’ve worked with two professional hypnotists. The one I have no uses a conversational style with every so subtle suggestions. For me it’s all about getting the conscious out of the way. Hypnosis is very misunderstood. People often dismiss it as “placebo effect”. My reply is “Yes, that’s exactly what it is!” Maybe we as a culture have the wrong idea about placebo effect. I see hypnosis as intentionally manipulating the placebo effect to get desired therapeutic response. It’s effective and clever and heck of lot safer than other options.

I just re-registered on this site after years of inactivity and lurking just to answer this question. I’ve been wearing 24/7 for a few years now. For the last few months I will literally feel no sensation of bladder fullness. Then suddenly, BAM! My bladder is full and I have about 1 second before I start peeing myself. In other words, I can’t stop it. It really does go from zero to 100 that quickly. It’s not bad. If anything it’s good in the sense that it basically means I need to be diapered at all times.