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If it's not going to be posted on the forum, no real point mentioning it. This is not a sales page
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*pigeon hole
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The last three chapters have closed scene essentially the exact same way...., a poopy diaper. It's a little formulaic. Is that the money shot? I really like the premise, but now it seems it's running low or narrative and just aiming for the O each time.
I personally don't think the time jump was necessary so early. The narrative had legs, the oxymoron of struggle in the stress free campaign would be so more prevalent in the first year....., the first time all the characters have a genuine accident, being seen by their friends (non subscribers to the government bs) for the first time and that whole situation.
If the girl had been found out she was cheating her promoting and still wearing panties and using the potty, the sponsors could have applied some pressure and discouraging tactics.
The president arc has the least life in it, he's just a plot tool to further the "law", there's no sense of sympathy in his plight. Maybe I just hate governments.
Maybe the story could have the boy cast his mind back to situations in the last year, like a flashback, to explore and expand the first time he realized he's wet without knowing, and when he's seen by girls from school whilst his mom is picking up supplies at the grocery store, and they put two and two together, and his mom checks him infront of them.
The year jump has skipped over alot of natural and fall off the tongue story and character progress, and with no clear indication of why or benefit to do so.
I feel it's been written into a corner, because the characters haven't had the time to be filled out and the pigeon they're put in in the first few chapters, which is all we know and how we observe them, doesn't properly apply to them in their +1 year development "off camera", and there's a disjoint.
The writing and premise is excellent, and unique. I just wonder if you could jump in the delorean and go back 11 months...., you'll find more story there. But avoiding seeing your past self!
Thanks for your writing
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So ashley has been a year in diapers with no loss of control? Underwhelming for the hetero interest protagonist
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My guess is ashley had the unpotty training surgery to promote it, and now *needs* diapers.
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35 minutes ago, diaper24/7 said:
I would love to see a sequel to this their still so many question need to be answer.
Now she's home, she's not regressed, still has her mind, but no teeth, and now needs diapers, her parents are more than likely inclined to treat her the same as her sister, who'd been mentally regressed. When she will want to go back to her grown up life, but struggling with the diapers. Her friends reactions etc, she could get dentures easy enough, to reasimulate, but people will notice the diapers sooner than later
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18 minutes ago, starman said:
Shame the ending seems a bit rushed could of done with how she copes and how her friends parents cope when they find their daughters in the morning.
I agree I would like to see more chapters...., i would write with the authors blessing?
There's legs on this...., even the man could be caught...
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Let's not forget...., the whole premise is that he's supposed to unpotty train himself and then repotty train again - for the article. Has that been forgotten??? It wasn't about being turned into a baby??? Did I miss something??
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Questions for the author
Which character in the narrative do you make you? If that makes sense. Most authors will put themselves into a character. Often the protagonist, but not always so. My guess would be Addy, but also aspects of meggys contributing parts to the story. Just from how these characters have been written bring me to this conclusion. Also would it be a correct observation to say you seek female romantic partners instead of boys?
Just stretching our deductive brain muscles
if I'm right, I will expand on how I arrived at these statements
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All the pro addys and pro cams.
Imagine for a moment. If you were victim in a terrible accident, rendering you comatose, conscious but not 'in the room'. The Dr's have told your significant other that there no possibility of improvement to your state.
Would you accept for this other, who had asked you to marry them, to completely drop you, to leave you all alone, to write you off and forget about you. And in the space of acouple of months, having sex with somebody else.
Gun to your head. What do you say..., knee jerk answer - blurt, don't consider....
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15 minutes ago, Baby Billy said:
Like I said Cameron is a very smart person, he knows what can happen if he resist any of this. Would fight someone who was twice your size on anything knowing they have complete control of you. Maybe she can not alter him but a beating would hurt just the same. Also he does not want to give them anything they can use against him with the judge and fighting in anyway would make it seem like he is a child trowing a tantrum.
The moment he dropped he resolve of the silent treatment in the car ride home from the court it was clear Addy could make Cameron jump through hoops. She had him right where she wanted him.
This is the point where the story breaks fundamentally
12 minutes ago, napp56 said:Oh yes, the bathroom where he learned that his sandbox girlfriend and fiancée is dead and he only cried for her once and then just continued as before as long as nothing happens to Addy a person who lied to him who humiliated him and wanted to castrate him voluntarily for her own safety.
I don't know but I wouldn't want to marry someone like that let alone have my brain dead ex fiancée implanted.
......., but she's got boobs you can suck.....
13 minutes ago, napp56 said:Oh yes, the bathroom where he learned that his sandbox girlfriend and fiancée is dead and he only cried for her once and then just continued as before as long as nothing happens to Addy a person who lied to him who humiliated him and wanted to castrate him voluntarily for her own safety.
I don't know but I wouldn't want to marry someone like that let alone have my brain dead ex fiancée implanted.
"emasculate". to castrate, he'd still have a dick, just no working boys. She 'cut off his dick' metaphorically anyway.
and he put it on his forehead.
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11 minutes ago, Baby Billy said:
I'm sorry you missed the true feelings that Cameron went through in this tale.
"fuck college is hard. Thank God I grew that extra inch over the summer, I'm lucky "
" oh my God, I'm sitting next to a giant girl with big tits, and she deems to talk to me...... Yes I do your school work for you..., please keep talking to me! "
" oh no, beths going to be taken away to be a baby...., wait a minute...., i think she...., liked me...., i could have had sex with her.... "
" dammit, now beth is gone.., this giant girl is still talking to me..., maybe I could get to have sex with her"
"Addy won't marry me...., i cant have sex with her no more. Woe is me...., guess I'll just concentrate on learning to be a courtroom person... "
" beths dad got beth back....., maybe I could go out with her......., no she's become a baby..., off to uni"
"I've learnt stuff - maybe if beths dad could move beth to a more progressive state in the country he could grow her up again and I could go out with her and have sex with her...., it will take along time, I should concentrate on learning law right now, make a name for myself. "
" I got a job as a lawyer, let's celebrate!....., beths back...., and she's not in diapers and we can have sex!....., oh beths disappeared."
"beths broken, I will honour her dad and get this open and shut case through court.. "
" oh no, the big tits girl now has me in diapers, I like sucking her tits, I like wearing diapers and girls clothes.... "
" yay, I no longer have to wear diapers or girls clothes, I won the case the big tit girl disappeared, I'm so sad I have no one to have sex with or suck their tits"
"I've landed a major legal job, the big tit girl is back, I don't want to wear diapers or girls clothes, she has big tits I can suck and she wants me to wear that stuff, so I will immediately "
" oh no I got kidnapped, maybe I should become a girl, it's easier to live like that"
"im still a boy, I can still have sex with the tall big tits girl, let's get married. She Didnt do anything wrong........, she wants to put somebody else in beths body, in her vagina....., she's got big tits......., urm ok...., beth who.. "
What did I miss?
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20 minutes ago, Baby Billy said:
I think you lost the plot somewhere along the way. Yes Cameron did not fight against anything that happened from the time he was adopted by Addison, He was an experienced lawyer and had seen first hand knowledge what happens when someone fights the treatment. He was depending on his friends and actions to get him out. If you think fighting it would help think of what happened to Lauren 10 years ago.
But if addys not the villain, he should feel safe to resist it and complain in her presence in environments not audio bugged. Your argument doesn't make sense.
He also happily went out in a dress, not treated as a baby. Theres no supporting internal monologue of any conflict or hate at all. As the other reader was able to surmise and concur - he just rolled over.
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58 minutes ago, kerry said:
Wow. This may just be the harshest assessment of two protagonists I have ever read, and most of it, honestly, derives from your own mind, not the words on the page.
You make the argument that it can be inferred from the advancement of the Amazon culture that they are not far away from a cure for what is wrong with Beth and that Cam ignores this while Addy actively subverts it. But the text (not your feelings, but Sofia's words) tells us again and again that there is no hope for Beth's recovery. And that is in the DD, with their scientific knowledge. You could reasonably wonder how they could be so advanced as to be able to "rebirth" her but not enough to "fix" her; that is certainly a question the author begs. But it is what it is: according to the story, it can't be done; you therefore just have to accept that reality.
You further assert that Addy (the villain of the piece, I guess, in your mind) will detest her firstborn daughter since her egg was not used to bring her into being and that he whole motivation for bringing up the notion of rebirth to Cam is to remove from the board a potential rival. Again, there is zero textual evidence that she thinks this way or that she would be anything less than a loving mother to Beth. In fact, both she and Cam acknowledge that it is the rebirthing that seems to have done something to open the door to have her own babies; if anything, she should love Beth more for this. But you claim that Addy will go so far as to kill her because she isn't fully her own. (And it must be noted that she is in fact partly Addy's due to the changed DNA.)
In addition to all of this, you reiterate your assumption that Cam will go along with anything at all as long as he can be babied. In a compendium of bizarre conclusions, I find this to be the most extreme. Cam spent the entire story fighting against being babied...even while he was forced to be Addy's "little girl" by the court. He does find enough to like about it that he is willing to go along with her idea of playing the role in a fetish-like game, but he also stops doing so when the children reach an age where that could affect them psychologically. And you continue to say that he simply gave up on Beth when, to the contrary, he risked his very freedom to fight against SafeFoods for what it did to her and her mother. And in fact he does find himself very nearly losing all he has struggled for. How on earth (or in the DD) is this "giving up"?
As to whether "Beth" is in any way still Beth? Well, unless Sofia addresses it in the Epilogue, the answer appears to be "no." She is in fact going to be a new person in a "recycled" body. As such a new person, with none of Beth's memories, how is she being hurt? Is her imagined pain worse than wasting away and dying? If Cam and her father—the only living people who loved her—see this as better than just "giving up," who are we to argue?
Despite all of this, I find myself a bit envious that BabySofia has been able to write a story that stirs such passionate emotional reactions. I may not agree with them, but you (and I) have spent considerable time debating them. This is a tribute to her ability, and she deserves congratulations.
I said it's a cross examination of addys character in isolation. A person traits against sociological norms and studies.
He took calculated risk, he essentially had the inside track, sleeping with the enemy, in with Dr's, and previous cases, paper trail to safe foods. Prosecution attorneys only take cases they think they are going to win, exspecially high profile cases. Defence attorney take the wide bets. He knew damn well the case was a shut run apart mother in law dearest under hand tactics. In the courtroom, proceedings wise, there was no risk. After he was told there was no cure for beth he THEN gave, there is a definitive turning point and attitude change, he no longer pines or longs for her, it's a recurring bad memory brain fart.not the emotional attatchment that would come from losing a fiancé...., he's never written as being terrible emotionally broken by an of it. He only felt bad when she disappeared, when she wasn't in eye view..., when he couldn't have sex with her. Out of sight, way out of mind........, oh look - addys here now instead......, beth who......, it really is almost "beth who?" and that's horrible.
And it actually becomes "beth who".
This is the bit I really cannot get past.
In all my reading, ALL my reading, I've never come accross something like this.susie salmon moms infidelity pales in comparison to this!
1 hour ago, kerry said:Wow. This may just be the harshest assessment of two protagonists I have ever read, and most of it, honestly, derives from your own mind, not the words on the page.
You make the argument that it can be inferred from the advancement of the Amazon culture that they are not far away from a cure for what is wrong with Beth and that Cam ignores this while Addy actively subverts it. But the text (not your feelings, but Sofia's words) tells us again and again that there is no hope for Beth's recovery. And that is in the DD, with their scientific knowledge. You could reasonably wonder how they could be so advanced as to be able to "rebirth" her but not enough to "fix" her; that is certainly a question the author begs. But it is what it is: according to the story, it can't be done; you therefore just have to accept that reality.
You further assert that Addy (the villain of the piece, I guess, in your mind) will detest her firstborn daughter since her egg was not used to bring her into being and that he whole motivation for bringing up the notion of rebirth to Cam is to remove from the board a potential rival. Again, there is zero textual evidence that she thinks this way or that she would be anything less than a loving mother to Beth. In fact, both she and Cam acknowledge that it is the rebirthing that seems to have done something to open the door to have her own babies; if anything, she should love Beth more for this. But you claim that Addy will go so far as to kill her because she isn't fully her own. (And it must be noted that she is in fact partly Addy's due to the changed DNA.)
In addition to all of this, you reiterate your assumption that Cam will go along with anything at all as long as he can be babied. In a compendium of bizarre conclusions, I find this to be the most extreme. Cam spent the entire story fighting against being babied...even while he was forced to be Addy's "little girl" by the court. He does find enough to like about it that he is willing to go along with her idea of playing the role in a fetish-like game, but he also stops doing so when the children reach an age where that could affect them psychologically. And you continue to say that he simply gave up on Beth when, to the contrary, he risked his very freedom to fight against SafeFoods for what it did to her and her mother. And in fact he does find himself very nearly losing all he has struggled for. How on earth (or in the DD) is this "giving up"?
As to whether "Beth" is in any way still Beth? Well, unless Sofia addresses it in the Epilogue, the answer appears to be "no." She is in fact going to be a new person in a "recycled" body. As such a new person, with none of Beth's memories, how is she being hurt? Is her imagined pain worse than wasting away and dying? If Cam and her father—the only living people who loved her—see this as better than just "giving up," who are we to argue?
Despite all of this, I find myself a bit envious that BabySofia has been able to write a story that stirs such passionate emotional reactions. I may not agree with them, but you (and I) have spent considerable time debating them. This is a tribute to her ability, and she deserves congratulations.
In the final chapter, medicine has advanced so much as to remove the plaque. What's the difference to rewiring the brain post neo interoperability for years, compared to repeated ageing down beth (as with addys mom and sis) and allowing her the more years to rewire her brain in her body.
What's the difference to rewiring beths brain as beth, regressed to facilitate more time to redevelop, using the same process Aubry and Danica's will endure, which states the memories or learned things she has managed to relearn would remain as she is aged down abit again to provide more time.
To rewiring a brain in a recycled body regressed to a baby?
The difference is for Addy, rebirth in her removes beth completely and she knows it.
She could have easily have asked to do what's happening to her sister. It would garner the same result!
If cam loved beth he would think this too.
And that process is more tried and tested, not new experimental like rebirth.
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1 hour ago, napp56 said:
I completely agree with Sherlock.
I even go a little further and call the story from chapter 32 illogical, contemptuous of men and toxic.Illogical because from that point on the protagonists seem overdrawn and previous situations and characteristics are simply eliminated. (Cameron's transformation from a rebel with a strong opinion to a breast-sucking mute jerk who takes everything in stride.)
Despicable of men because persons of the male sex are simply humiliated and mutilated for no apparent reason. (Cameron and please don't give me the totally banal revenge story of Aubry.)
Toxic, because rights and personal dignity are simply eliminated. (Beth's Rebirth)
Exactly. You have been able to concisely define, and noted from the same point. It could almost be a different story spliced onto the end, written separately as one of several options written simultaneously as other possible continuances of narrative, but maybe not closely as referenced, and this was forgotten by time of selection.
It's nice to know others had observed camerons personality shift to compliance and indifference. Although I wouldn't really have given him as much credit to call him a rebel from the get go.
When you grow out of favor with, or the protagonist proceeds to lose relevance or investment with you, it's not the fault of the writer or the reader. It just means he is a shitty person.
I completely agree with the toxic statement. I'm psychologically still reeling from this conclusion. And nothing in the epilogue can redeem this,can only make it worse.....,unless "it was all a dream"...., but we are not reading early 90s abdl fiction here ?
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2 hours ago, TheJ said:
This will be quite grim take on Beth's ending, but so has this story been grim multiple times.
What they have done is a full body donation. They have given Beth's entire body to a whole new person. The person's brain will never have the same orchestra of nerve cells playing in the same melodies as Beth's. Beth's orchestra may have been fond of Beethoven. This new person's orchestra might play Mozart's symphonies.
Surely, a lot of our personality is down to genetics. Still, one could have made the decision to give birth to Beth again just because it would be a shame to waste what was left of Beth's body.
Another moral dilemma is whether they should tell the new Beth about the old Beth or not. If she finds fractions of her history as she grows up again, it will be difficult to explain her past.
"Oh darling, you're adopted. Also, an evil corporation's experiment turned the brain of the person you used to be into mush while you were dating daddy. You were shrank, put into your mommy and you were born as who you are now. Oh and the company belonged to mommy's mother who was real mean."
Good luck for Beth to get over that shock and figure out who she truly is. If I'm honest, I feel Addy and Cam's decision was ultimately selfish. Addy couldn't live with what her family did to Beth and Cam couldn't let go of the shell that was left of Beth.
Cam let go the moment he walked away after learning there was no fix. Addy was removing the last piece on the chess board. In the dimension, it's not out of the realms or medicine to exercise beths body create activity. In our dimension paralysed people have regime of lifting weights with non responsive, below spinal injury level limbs...., if the Dr's had got to a point of rebirthing somebody, I would hazard a guess, they wouldn't be too far away for making progress with people in beths condition (it's not the same types of connections, but if the connections cells, below the brain, in the brain stem, could be replicates and distributed throughout the brain, they MIGHT provide some level of message conductive and relay. But that's beyond my current understanding, and that's our world.
Addy isn't stupid, by any means, be removing beths ailing form completely, she removes beths chance of recovery ever. As a very close person to one of the highest profile judges in the country, and with nothing to lose, beth would be top of the list to try any new explorative approved trials and procedures. They could remove the plaque and stabilise. As far as was conveyed beth wasn't intubated or on any life support, her life would continue the same, without plaque.
But it was adds move to eliminate this fact. It was selfish of addy, and total alterior motive. Cam didn't care. Verbatim. It's not even a question in my mind. If addy became in such a state, (one can dream) he would drop her too.
He gave up. And beths dad had no other support or anybody else that in the 'high ups', to fight beths corner with him. Cam completely left them on their own.
1 hour ago, WBDaddy said:Yeah, it's inevitable that she will find out. The question is, will Addy and Cam be able to sack up and tell her before anyone else does?
Addy will kill her, activate nanites exactly get her adopted/claimed maturosis, the moment she even suspects beth clicks, has been told.
Addy hasn't got an honest bone in her body, cam is only honest when sworn in at work
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3 hours ago, Baby Billy said:
I take it you did not have a very happy childhood?
I didn't have a very happy adult hood. The girl I loved died. I fully accept I misplace anger or project. (has anyone read or seen the movie 'the silverlinings playbook'.., when pat wakes his parents up in the middle of the night to complain about the hemming way book. I'm totally channelling that energy right now ? its meant as a comedy, but that's the most eloquent and beautiful representation of borderline personality disorder /mental illness in any media I've ever seen. Bradley Cooper nails it. I can relate to the character alot. Anyway I digress, I feel it's just because I know things and understand things I can't help but apply these facts to fiction...., it's been a very lonely lockdown
I feel it's important to give people more information. Something that may seem good isn't. I understand people alot. I probably bring these characters to life and humanise them more than the author.
I just have relative supportive knowledge to add to the dialogue.
I don't hate THE STORY. I love it...., up untill Cameron gets diapered in caught. It sits on my 'shelf' of my favorite stories...., Sam and jess, the trying policy, witch's of East Warwick drive, baby of the family, several others I can't remember the names of right now (the one where the guy has a shock collar and gradually regresses, the one with magik where the guy tries diaper on in magic shop) it's up there with all of them.
But now I consider characters in isolation, like cross examination, and I just annoy myself.
Maybe this is why I can never write a novel..., but I would love to illustrate one (my art attatched..., unrelated)
It's a character flaw. Just because the rest of the world tells me something is good, if I come to my own conclusion it isn't, I can't really just let it go. I've expanded on my take on things. I've flogged the horse to death. On with the the show for the rest of you xx
3 hours ago, LittleFallenPrincess said:I don't see how that is relevant? Some of their points do kinda make sense, especially the first one. I don't agree with the animosity towards Addy, but I understand the points.
As a person, our personality, and the person we are, is built up over years or decades of memories and interactions with other people. Beth was the person she was because of her childhood with her parents and her friends, her difficulties and obstacles she had to overcome as a little, events that happened to her over the course of her life. We are all the people we are today because of everything that has happened to us.
If you wipe her mind and re-raise her (ignore all the DNA stuff, which is another whole messed up point), she will start again with new memories and new interactions. A new family, new friends, new meaningful events in her life that are vastly different from original Beth. This new Beth would be considered an entirely new person, her personality would be completely different because instead of the old memories shaping her personality, she'll have the new memories shaping it differently. Especially with the fact she is going to grow up not as a little.
And yes, I know it's the whole nature vs nurture topic, and maybe a tiny tiny bit of Beth's old personality is still in there, but she still wouldn't be the same person because of her vastly different experiences.
Old Beth didn't get saved, she got recycled. Old Beth died with no mourning or moving on. She just got overwritten by new Beth.
And as rightfully said, if she somehow got told of her old life or she somehow got her memories back... new Beth is going to lose her mind and that would be unbelievably cruel.
I have to agree. None of the old beth would remain, the brain would not retain the connections to the parts of the brain for memory or personality, which are not connected really before 2 years old. Recycled is the exact word I was looking for, but being it in such an personified context it wasn't even a term that reached my internal dictionary at time of writing.
I can't even deal with still calling her beth, because she wouldn't even look the same. It's unimaginable. This fate is worse than any I have read in abdl fiction or any literature in general.
It's almost the stuff of nightmares.
The hostility towards addy is justified, she has no come up once for her part, beyond the self flagilation of losing position of power...., but is that really losing anything at all....., enough money to not have to work again, still has an overindulgent vehicle.
By events in the narrative, addy would still be classed as a villain. That's no stretch of term. And a villain requires either redemption arc or meets their demise, figurative or contextual. Neither happened. She happily occupied the middle ground and benefitted from playing both sides. I've never encountered such a character before.
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The person that comes out won't be beth, won't look like beth won. Have the traits of beth. They've taken beths link from her father, her biological and blood link to the only person she had left away from her. They're basically killing beth but not giving her the dignity to rest in piece no body to commit to the ground headstone in memoriam, they're reusing her body like it's an item of clothing. It further reduces to even lower status than worst case scenario mirror, just a skin bag.
And anybody who has the ludicrous idea to at somepoint tell her the truth is a sadist.
Children parent like they were patented, that's a siciological fact. Beth will be addys runt of the litter, addy will resent beth, and the other children will be her favorites,beth would be awarded less in her will. Addy wouldn't fit for the same opportunities for beth as she would for her kids she created.
The only child she will have post partum depression with will be beth, she would hate everytime she cries and pass her of to Cameron every time. Addy will always see her as "Camerons first love"
Sometimes mothers resent their daughters, because unconsciously there's like a natural instinct, they see them as a rival for their partners(their fathers) love (and also occurs with fathers with their baby sons, but there's less prevalence of it) this will be magnified with addys perception with beth)
Addy could even attempt to stunt beths growth and put her in situations to risk her getting adopted or to be seen as maturosis traits (which could be claimed to link back to her previous existence)
And through all of this cameron just sits back does at told, rolls over, doesn't fight it, as long as he gets to wear dresses and suck addys tits some times.
Males are more visual stimulative and retentive gender, with beth no longer looking like beth, Cameron will soon lose or sense of connection of his child being anything but beth in name in honor of her memory. I mean she ceased to exist to him just because her brained was forced into diminished function.
This is the unkindest cut of all the slices upon her.
And you wish to regail her of her old life - you and your father used to be lovers and set to marry, you had a real father who loved you very much, divorced his wife to protect you, risked his life to recover you.
Your fake grandmother caused you permanent brain damage, your fake mother then married your fiancé, your fake mother had your brain washed life ended and had you regressed to a fetus and inserted into her vaginally, that your fiance has been fucking in your absence and had you rebirth ed. You no longer share dna biological link to your father who cared for you so dearly and fought for you when no one else did, you no longer look like you used, are much taller, are a completely different person down to a dna level
If kids have a hard enough time finding out /being told they're adopted or an ivf baby, this would kill the poor girl over again.
I'm afraid this is abhorrent to me
And all the while addy has a huge grin on her face. Her life, her actions had no consequences.
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I'm afraid to say this is my natural step of point for this wonderful story. And will not be staying for the epilogue. I speak been wonderful to interact with you all, it's been really fulfilling for me as a reader,to engage with others.
I can most closely liken this to when I read the lovely bones. I saw the movie by accident on TV once at Xmas, and it compleeetly emotionally connected with me, and reduced me to tears at several points. Wonderful. Also cause my saoirse ronan crush, even to this day. She's my celebrity free pass (
). Anyway, so after repeatedly watching, and loving the movie, I decided I should go back and read the novel. Big mistake!
Now Rachel Weisz was the weakest turn in the movie, terrible (that's after completely ignoring the nans contribution, I skip her scenes) but in the book the mum character is abhorrent. Her daughter died, and she starts fucking the detective, both behind her husbands back. It's horrible and illogical. I never read beyond that part in the book.
Thanks for the memories.
I hope to catch up with you all on another story xx
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The beth ending ruins. Addy for all intents and purposes performed the killing blow that her family started. She killed beth. She wanted, she asked Camerons permission, and he agreed. She erased beth from existence.
They could have removed the plaque and damaged and keep beth and just work with her rehabilitation. They could reduce her age abit to give her more time to relearn things. Or even just to remain beth and and gradually learn abit before she got old and died naturally. Would be fine.
I'm afraid that's the worst ending to a story I've ever read. Addy gets everything.
This does not sit well with me.
Beth effectively becomes the offspring of the woman who's fucking her fiance. It's horrid.
I'm afraid I would have prefered if they had euthanized her.
Im afraid I can't applaud this chapter. I feel quite negative. Anyway it's 11:45pm here in the u.k,time for bed......, or maybe I'm already asleep and I dreamed..., nightmared this chapter 65,knowing it was supposed to be released today...., and the real chapter will be waiting when I wake up ???
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5 hours ago, Edab123 said:
I have to somewhat agree with you here, I'm a very strong advocate for letting the story stand as is, as much as I would love to see more of Beth or better yet to have seen her recover, personally for me I prefer when authors dont change their ways to appease the readers, I couldnt enjoy the story when I know its not the original idea, I loved this story because I didnt know where It was going to go, it kept me intrigued and interested, if we take that power away from the author then what has it all been for. But we're not done yet, BabySofia may still have something up her sleeve!
I'm not asking for a retcon. I preserve the validity of the original volume in its completed form. I merely seek an appendix or accumulative companion short concerning.
At no point did I request any prose committed to paper with pen, effectively, to be changed, I merely so much sought supportive body of work.
Lord of the rings was born of the hobbit, silence of the lambs from red dragon. It's not unheard of.
I'm no stranger to almost dystopia foray. More inclined to a kafka-esque world.but even in those the met characters get a conclusion served - the house maid in America, and in the trial when K sticks the knife in his neck himself to not give the authority the satisfaction of doing so. Giving a connected character an end is just a platitude offered.
When said character is more concerning than where the two main characters close the book is just the cause of the irk in me.
I never inferred a rewrite, hence the not wanting to emulate misery in real life.
This body of work has been presented in a forum open for critique. Requesting more can not be construe as negative.
Addy still choose to sell her shares and up sticks,but she spins it as poor me. For the most part yes - always one of the first comments or observations in his monologues is a comment relating to her chest, a flashback to a previous event in close proximity, or noticing their size. It's pavlovian.
If a partner, God forbid is in traffic accident and is left in a vegetative state, someone you were imminently to marry. Just because they can no longer communicate as they did, do you instantly stop loving them, cut them out of your life, and never think positively of them again and look for a new romantic partner as quickly, rebound, replacement?? That's the comparative in the non diaper dimension.
17 minutes ago, TerranV said:Who besides me wants to see Cam and Addison rock into the courtroom at Aubry and Danica's trial, and rub it in their face that they are totally free from them and back together? Ya know, in addition to testifying and sendind them to prison. Or whatever fate awaits them.
Not at all
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34 minutes ago, LittleFallenPrincess said:
She did have character back at the start of the story. Then she was gone for so much time, then she came back for a short time, and things looked good, then suddenly... she's gone again, but this time it seems permanent. It very much is a disservice to the character.
Still no character development in my opinion though. At least none that we saw, she just went for a while then came back a bit more confident.
It felt like she was being used as an emotional punching bag at the start, but there was still hope. Now she's got no hope and she's still being tortured.
I cannot stand the idea put forward that addy and cam could take her. That is not acceptable.
I really do think beth deserves afew chapters or some appendix after the fact. I don't think addy fans, and I accept there are many of them, would tolerate a delay or hiatus for the epilogue to benefit and in recognition of the 'other girl' in their eyes.
Theres clearly something more human in the exposure we had to beth that has enamoured her to us, and I myself can't put my finger on it. It may be an abdl, but it's not an exotic fascination with desiring the recognition of beth (I'm non sexual) it's not some morbid thing either, in wanting to learn more of the horrible details of what's happened. It's deffinitely a pure, hoping she's OK, almost concern.
Everytime we see her at the start, she sad or worried, when shes waiting to say goodbye to came and go to the adoption centre, she was so anxious, but backed into a corner, but she didn't want to leave without explaining to cam, she puts others first. When cam visits her at home after her dad gets her back, she down plays her situation, and smiles, she's just happy to see cam, but puts such a brave face on it, to keep the time she has with him fun, because she knows she's going to tell him to not come back again for his safety.
After that we only interact with her through speaking to her dad.
Then when she comes to the house after emancipation, it's the first time we see her happy, and that shes put herself first. But even then she doesn't let her previous years experience define her, barely mentions, almost trying to pretend it didn't happen so cam would just see her as normal. I feel it's like she was only allowed one instance of each human emotion throughout the story.
And conversley addy is the opposite. In opulence and over indulgence, and always thinking of herself. Addys immature and a baby, just in different ways that keep her panties clean and dry.
I think cam has has the least development really. He's one dimensional. I really want to get behind him. But for a learned person, he has pretty unintelligent thoughts, lead by the hand and needy.
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It's a general consensus that beth deserves more....., sofis I genuinely think this might require an appendix or short after the epilogue. Unless youd like to hold off on the epilogue and write something for sake of continuity.
I don't want to sound like Kathy bates. But it's evident you've created a character that people connected with, that you didn't expect people to connect with, more so than the protagonist and duetoagonist (< that means second lead character, right??)
I think readers created the character development in their minds by taking the initiatives from the updates when she reappeared in the story.
I loved it when she came back emancipated..., no insult to her, but I would have loved if she came still having accidents. In her own words, seven years locked in diapers, that was a success for the character. Everybody reading it was happy.
It was pretty cruel to take all that long work and personal struggle and growth away from her so nonchalantly. I'm sure beth and her mum would have been aware of safefoods reputation, and would not have tried to products so readily.
I think now unfortunately you can't leave beth as a vehicle for a bad taste in his mouth, a metaphor for what could have been him, and lost love.
Beth has taken on more embodiment and personality than cam, maybe because we the reader have padded out her story ourselves, which makes the connection more personal.
I do value that you have finished the story, and you have gotten so much positive feedback, this to me is up there with my favorite stories. I know it must take so much time and effort to write a novel.
there's a but coming.......
But, alot of the audience would really appreciate consideration given to beth. It's testament to your writing how well she has translated.
But we don't want fanservice. Completely out of your mind, in the world you created, afew chapters returning to beth. Not back tracking the time line, going forward.
I don't think any of us would expect it to be a quick turn around, but could you please consider it.
Ok, as a gauge of mutuality and agreement, could people only like this comment if they would appreciate this. And maybe let's set a glass ceiling, if it reaches that threshold could it least be considered??
This really isn't meant as an insult or knock to your story. There have just been a few comments that resonate with my own inner turmoil over this, so it's like a last ditch attempt.
It's weird, because nobody is asking for resolution for the kid with the autoinjector from daycare, or the girl from school that went back to diapers for 3 weeks minimum, or Stacy back in her reality, or even merges continued adjustment to pretty much just being like she was before, but now dependant on diapers......, beth some how has captured the audience.
It's a bit like the scene in the fault in our stars where the kids go to meet Peter van houten (who I relate to alot!) and ask him what happens to the hamster.
I just wondered if you could atleast consider it.
46 minutes ago, LittleFallenPrincess said:Oh I can't wait for the epilogue, been more excited for this story than I have in a long time. I just hope that it doesn't end in one of the two ways I can see it going.
If Beth ends up adopted by Addy or is still just as regressed, either way... it's as if she is dead at this point, there's no Beth left. If Beth ends up recovering but not getting her memories back... again it's as if she's dead. There's no more of the old Beth left.
If by some miracle she does recover AND keeps her memories? Then she's got months, if not years of therapy and recovery, AND she has to deal with the fact the love of her life has most likely moved on with another woman.
So either way, sucks to be Beth and my points from before all stand ?
The mother thing was the final nail for me. Sure, it brought up a good point for regressed littles and their physical health, but it felt more like a gut punch of "Oh hey, remember Beth exists, she's still being tortured and now her mother is dead."
Yes! Very much the same feeling as Bella. But as you said, Bella recovered. And you don't get gut punched every 5-10 chapters with another bad thing happening to her like Beth gets. Bella at least seemed to have more character development. I loved Exchanged, and loved the revised version with the much better ending, but Bella was just, like you said, a victim to be saved.
And now Beth seems like a reason for Cam's story to progress, she doesn't feel like she is her own character.
I feel like she has more character than cam. In the short interaction we were privy to, she was self aware, and knew the risks she lived under, later paralleled and mirrored by Megan.
She had drive and determination, even when regressed, she put others first knowing she was monitored, told the man she loved to stay away. And then we leave her completely on her own to potty train an get tested in court.
Then when we meet her again,she is confident, happy, no sign of trauma, and carries her history well, her family is reunited, her ability to simply use the potty again completely fixed her family.
But even then she is modest and grounded. She calmly approaches cam and slowly romantically connects with him, a less composed person would not act so well after seven years.
And just like that she's gone. But she's not gone, she's just not written about, cam doesn't consider her worth anything anymore, because he can't suck her boobs. It's a disservice to the character.
We fought for her name in the court and won, but we don't see the rewards from that. Winning is just a plot point, it's not followed through to mean anything.
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I disagree that I am inventing characteristics with addy.
Based on her behaviours, reactions and things she says, you can build a persons traits. People are creatures of habit.
The way a person acts with their significant other, in response to external impacts on a significant other (the daycare) is usually their most pure and uncompromised or watered down self.
Isn't it serendipitous for addy to reconnect with cam just as he lands a new job, high paid, high status job, whilst addy has become some transient out of mostly guilt. It's too much coincidence.
I think once an amazon has adopted or has breastfed, that's a turning point of no return, making them into irrespective quasi maniacal maternal monsters blinkered to one way of thinking.
How is addy still producing milk if it's been such a long time without a little to require it or cause it?
Addy is no different to any other amazon. Shes admitted her desires and intentions, from day one of meeting Cameron. But she plays some kind of mock regret and apologetic demeanour, that is enough to disarm Cameron, she knows what buttons to press to win cameron over... (©)(©)...., like she's done a million times before to get the way she wants, Cameron is a paper soldier and invertebrate in anything but the courtroom. Will bend for addy without much resistance. A goldfish memory. This girl made his life shit, broke his heart, directly linked to beths demise, and forced him to live as a baby girl for almost a month.
......, but it wasn't addys fault. Please.
Addy doesn't see cam as an equal or partner, she sees him as a baby girl, with the addy bonus of sexual relationship gratification on the side.
Addy didn't even "lose everything", she chose to distance herself from the company,and from people associating. She could go back to the company tomorrow and resume her role.
But she plays hard done by to sort of shirk responsibility, complicity, and guilt. She's running from it constantly.
But again Cameron is too breast-blinded to logically see sense.
Addy doesn't like to be told no, addy doesn't like to not be the one making changes to a baby (addy wasn't against the daycare reducing Cameron, she wanted to do it herself if she could, she was just angry they breached the court rules. She happily parades him in the blowout onesie afterward.
Addy doesn't consider other people, she doesn't feel guilt over what happened to beth,( I think she's happy beth is out of the picture, but is still also classified as rival in her brain), but she knows other people are, and would expect her to be, so she has to force pretend interest or concern. On the times she's been in this situation she's only offered "how is she"/"how is she doing"?, doesn't personify it or say beths name. And doesn't really react or offer conversation after cam has told her, because she doesn't care, so just offers a sorry, or sticks her boobs in his face as distraction and is like" you know, I really am * soooooo * sorry about what happened.
Addy has entitlement issues, that's a huge character flaw in a person. It's from her upbringing. She gets her way. She drives badly on the road because she thinks she owns it and it's down to others to get out of the way.
She just wants Cameron as a baby girl, she knows Cameron will do so, as has done it before, without any protest and completely negates and ignores Cameron request to move slow and work on the relationship first.
From the moment cameron, already really weak will was broken and he dropped the silent treatment in the car in the too small diaper, for really no good reason, addy knew he was malleable and at her whim.
Had their been no court case, addy didn't really have an issue with what her mums company was doing, it was her income source.now it all fell apart on her doorstep, shes having to pretend to.
Addy is alot of pomp and pretence. I can't really think of any point in the narrative where addy was real with Cameron at all. He's always just been her plaything.
She distanced herself from all the people involved because it's unbearable to have to pretend to be THAT sorry, and THAT remorseful all the time.
Just my take on justifying why I cannot abide addy.
It's really nice to be able to engage with a story beyond just reading it and interact with others
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....., he's going to need to find three girls that will let him get in her pants, whilst he can't keep his clean or dry. Needs to have sex with three girls, and then the curse is lifted. Good luck with that!