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On 4/17/2024 at 12:39 PM, Solus said:
So I'm not sure if I'm supposed to ask about the same story if no-one says anything, but I guess I will.
I'm looking for a story about a radio host meeting a longtime fan of his who is showing him a commercial jingle she made, where the jjingle slowly hypnotizes him and ends up using some towels as diapers. I think there was some magic later on in the story but I'm much less sure.I know one of these for once - is it Mary Had a Little Lamb?
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Invites are going out again now - it's the downside of having a private link and having a busy work schedule.
Alright - I think I'm caught up on who most recently requested.
If anyone has any issues, please reach out - I'll try my best to resolve them as quickly as I can.
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I'd love to find the original thread for this in whatever 4chan derivative it ended up happening in. I have some questions for our author here about his "testing."
So...yes, this could theoretically work, with a huge, massive pile of caveats. I do not recommend anybody actually do this method. But let's talk about what I think is going on here.
You have two muscles to "defeat" for incontience - the autonomic bladder neck/internal sphincter, and the consciously controlled external sphincter. Finding a medication to target the bladder neck is trivial - honestly, I recommend most people just stick with Tamsulosin/Flomax if they're looking for something. Easy to get generically, minimal list of side effects, and decades of use for this purpose, so it's widely understood by the medical community.
However, Tamsulosin and similar meds won't make you incontient. It just makes it a little easier to pee. From my research, there was no medication that could reliably disable the external sphincter. This makes sense when you think about it - what medication could you take that would relax/disable *only* that muscle and not others like your arms or legs that have similar biological makeup? The one suggested here is interesting, but I'm skeptical how much it's actually doing here - I suspect the required doses to be effective would have significant side effects.
This leads to my conclusion - I suspect these drugs are mostly placebo in helping people who were already diaper training to finally relax and let go. Placebo doesn't mean worthless - I've found there is a necessary part of training where someone feels like they can surrender their need to control themselves. But if there was a possibility to run a larger study under medical supervision...I'd definitely be interested in seeing the results.
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Alright - getting to sending out invites now. Thank you for people's patience here - it's appreciated.
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I've sent you a message - I help run a Telegram group for this. We don't publish a public link to keep a flood of nay-sayers and spam accounts from joining. Feel free to respond to my message and I'll send you a link.
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This can happen, as I'm sure the doctor mentioned - a revision might be necessary, especially if the original procedure didn't heal in the fully open position (by dumb luck or a catheter issue). My first procedure didn't take either - I suspect partially because my catheter had to be removed early due to recurring blockages.
I think this is a fair thing to highlight with this surgery as well - it by far isn't a guarantee it will work, especially the first time. It comes with a whole list of risks that any major surgical procedure does, but especially one that involves the urinary tract. You're basically inflicting a lifetime of trauma on those muscles artificially, and hoping it's enough to make them incompetent at holding anything anymore.
I'm comfortable where I ended up - maybe not a full time dribbler, but confident I couldn't go any length of time without a diaper unless I wanted to risk very embarrassing accidents. To anyone reading this and considering surgery - I'd recommend trying out other things first - full-time diaper usage, hypnosis, catheters, etc. - if only because it helps in the event the surgery doesn't take. Knowing how to cath myself has made things much easier, and having used hypnosis to help accept these life changes has been very reassuring and validating.
Here's hoping it is just swelling, @Reddy - but if it isn't, there's still plenty of options, including Round 2.
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I personally have found it invaluable to do so - a diaper makes a lot easier, even if it's not draining into it. Heck, even makes recovering from surgery easier. The nurses in my stricture removal were impressed I had planned to wear a "brief" out - they're used to having to talk people into it over whatever "mesh underwear with pads" would count as.
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1 hour ago, Diapered Dave said:
BrownBobby... I think you mentioned blood clots somewhere around here. Did you have blood clots too? Did you also have to wear a catheter for an additional period of time?
Oh, yes.
The first time (stateside, only removing part of the external sphincter) my catheter blocked up twice. The first time needed an ER visit to fix. The second time, the doctor just told me to remove the catheter early since it was so close to when it was supposed to come out anyway.
The next time (in Mexico, like @Reddy), it threatened it a few times but never got there. I did start retaining urine, but was able to eventually get the clots to pass with time. Still scary when it happens - especially when you swear it must mean you still can hold it just fine. You know, until you can't.
The most recent time (local doctor, literally right now, to fix the stricture that developed), the catheter started blocking before I could even be discharged from the hospital. They fixed it, but it'd keep blocking up for the next two days. At this point, I'm rather skilled in flushing and clearing catheters, so I've been keeping things operational. Still not fun, though.
I haven't had to wear caths for additional length any of the times, but there's a reason I keep a stock of indwelling and Foley caths on hand - makes it much easier in case it's needed. I've only really needed it a handful of times for getting the stricture to play nicely. Since starting treatment locally for it, I haven't needed to intervene on my own. After finishing this last surgery, I will have to cath weekly just to make sure the stricture stays stretched out - the side effect of making sure those bladder muscles get used to being stretched is just a nice bonus.
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So...yes, they make this, but you have to be careful. The tissues making that 26fr hard to insert can be stretched, but tearing them can lead to problems including strictures (and from my experience, 0/10 do not recommend strictures).
Best for now to slowly work up to it - get a 22fr and 24fr in comfortably for a few days at a time, then see if a 26fr goes in without pain.
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5 hours ago, rusty pins said:
Problems after surgery in Mexico to become incontinent that many people warned you about? Imagine that!
Problems after surgery that I've also seen in both my surgeries happening in the US? Wow, imagine that! (I don't have to - I've been to the local ER for the same issue for much, much less involved procedures. It's an easily predictable and treatable complication. But that isn't NEARLY as snarky, is it?)
It's *almost* like those were known issues that Reddy mentioned he was aware of. You know, almost like a competent adult individual making a decision while knowing the very real risks involved! Imagine that!
I'm so glad @Reddy has been willing to share so much - it's *exactly* reactions like this that led to me not bothering to mention what i was doing to others when I had my procedure. I'm beyond amazed most peoples' reactions have fallen somewhere between "concerned yet curious" to "supportive yet intrigued."
This procedure is a serious matter. It has VERY real risks. I've said the entire time (well, I did until multiple threads were deleted because of "helpful" comments like this) that this is something most people probably shouldn't pursue. And I'd love nothing more than to have a fully above-board option for this.
In the meanwhile, we work with the options we have - and I'm glad to hear @Reddy's doing alright. It's never fun to see complications, even expected and predictable ones. But for anyone reading this and thinking about doing it themselves - this is part of the package deal. It's not like the stories. It's a serious procedure, with serious risks. And yet, I do believe there are several people out there who would still benefit from it.
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8 minutes ago, Diapered Dave said:
So even with a stricture, you're still going to leak, and you still need diapers....
So after my post above, another question came to mind...
The way you phrased the comment above, I take it that you are not just continuously dripping? That you can feel the urge to pee building, but clenching won't stop it?
No, I don't constantly dribble. Part of that was developing a stricture, but part of it is just as someone said earlier in the thread - there's so many things that affect your ability to hold it. All a surgery like this does is get rid of a lot of the consciously-controlled ones.
Case in point, if I have to mess, I'll start holding urine, just because the pelvic floor is trying to hold things in. But...the moment I do anything to relax my pelvic floor, it comes out. Messing, laughing, even getting distracted for too long...and, as a fun benefit, it's become very uncomfortable to hold back from messing for any length of time. I do rather enjoy that as an unintended side effect - I *can* control when I mess, as long as I'm willing to pay the price...:-p
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2 hours ago, Reddy said:
Well, I have never needed diapers before. It seems strange to imagine I will. I hope the surgery has an effect, but possibly it did not.
Well I wondered about the clenching. I thought it might feel different. Plus when I clench it seems to make everything tight, or at least hurt, around the catheter. So I wonder about that keeping me under control of my bladder.
At this point, I don't think I would really mind if it didn't work. I did what I could, made the effort, tried to be incontinent, and maybe I can't. It wouldn't be so bad, just going back to my old life before this pain.
But on the other hand I might be stuck in diapers. I just can't be sure exactly what will happen.
I was wondering about this the past few days. However @BrownBobby kind of let me know that it's normal that I would always be able to clench, and confirmed I'm confused and will be in diapers the rest of my life, and really he should know.
So we'll see!
Rmemeber...having the ability to do something with those muscles, and having that "something" be something of value is two very, very different things.
In my case, I can squeeze and try to hold it...and if I'm really lucky and do it before i start peeing, I might buy three to five seconds before it all comes out anyway. If it's mid-stream? No point in trying - it's just going to make a mess of things.
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1 hour ago, Reddy said:
I'm not sure why my catheter is in longer. It must be that the surgery is more extensive.
My bowel movements have been... irregular. I have only gone twice and it hasn't been solid. I'm grateful I'm not dealing with constipation. It could be this medication they gave me? But I'm not sure.
This is a common side effect of the antibiotic you're taking, combined with the (hopefully) extra fluids and earlier fasting.
In short, don't worry too much about it.
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1 hour ago, Diapered Dave said:
Reddy said:
"He said that sometimes it's hard to achieve incontinence and if I am not incontinent, we will be in touch about my level of incontinence and come back 3 weeks later and have another procedure to resect everything that is left."
I hope you get the incontinence you want with the surgery you just had... BUT the thought that crosses my mind, is why didn't he "resect everything that is left." in the first place?
Does maid service at the hotel interrupt your rest? I imagine that not every guest stays in their room everyday, with a catheter bag hanging on the bed... Wait until Saturday, and you're filling the waste basket with wet diapers! 😄
Are you on pain meds and antibiotics?
Simple answer on why you don't get "everything": bleeding. You need to make sure what you did cut can fully heal without causing blood loss, strictures, or worse. Three weeks is enough time for the first round to heal well enough to make a second procedure safe.
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10 minutes ago, DAQ said:
With as much interest as this post has generated we should all get together and see if there is bulk/Groupon pricing 😁
Gods I wish. For what it's worth, the price does seem to be steadily ticking down operation over operation, but that's fair from a guaranteed trend.
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5 hours ago, spark said:
That's a lot of projection from somebody who has already had the surgery, can I ask WTF didn't you start with that in first place? Are you lying and trying to prove a point, or was this something you've hid from all of us? Maybe I misread, and you mentioned that you've had this surgery.
You've gotten help, or so you say, why in the hell are you responding to me in such an aggressive tone? Why didn't you start with the main point- you had this surgery with the doctor in question- and you're happy with the results? That's kind of a big point in the argument, and you left that off?
I don't mean to be rude, but all of your posts since 2017 have been on the Incontinent Desires thread. Most of the post since 2017 are arguementove in the incontinent desires threads. Are you doing research, or looking personal valiidation?
If you genuinely want the answers to the questions, I'm willing to assume good faith and give them - but again, I'm noticing you actually haven't addressed any of the points about this being self-harm despite extensive medical and professional evaluation...
I try to be as open about this as I can. I've mentioned it several times on this forum. Many of those mentions are deleted because some person comes into the thread meaning to "preach to the lost" and convince everyone that they're hurting themselves and/or somehow mocking those who didn't choose to be incontient. They usually refuse to take any suggestions that, perhaps, what they're saying isn't actually contributing to the conversation and get a mod involved. The result is deletion of anything remotely related to it. I'm amazed these threads have stayed up so far. It's partially why I stay away from many of them - why post my story again if someone is going to come in, decide that they're going to be the hero saving people from themselves, and get it deleted? (And before you jump to the conclusion, no, it's not because of some argumentative tone I've taken - most of the time, it's the person coming into the thread to try to "save people" that ends up flying off the handle and ironically giving the mods a reason to delete it.)
This is partially why your stance is aggravating. You're right to be concerned that there is danger here. Again, it's not whether or not you say it. It's how much, how insistently, and how inflexibly you hold to it. My analogy above isn't as hyperbolic as you think. For many in this forum, and especially those who are so deeply into this subject that international surgery is even a consideration, they've already tried a laundry list of other methods. They've done years of research into the effects and what might result. In fact, our person getting the surgery is one of them, from my talks with him. Your warnings are like telling a professional race car driver to make sure to slow down for the turns, and when he still takes them quickly, saying it's "still self harm that he'd even consider going that quickly around it" because of how dangerous it is.
Which is why I get aggravated about this topic. I don't need validation about my decision. I'm beyond happy with it. My biggest regret, by far, is that I hadn't had it done sooner. I can't imagine how much better my own life would have been had I had this opportunity earlier. I would have avoided so much (actual instead of perceived) self-harm if I could have had this outlet. Heck, even knowing the outlet existed would have been incredibly helpful to my mental health.
In causing incontience, I am an expert. I've guided over a dozen people to various levels of potty untraining, from weakened bladders to full on diaper dependency. I've done more looking through scientific literature on this topic than anyone I've met (though I suspect there are others just as submerged into it as I, for the same reasons). There's a reason I stay mostly in this forum - it's the one most aligned to my interests. There's also a reason I usually end up being one of the argumentative ones when one of those "nay-sayers" cross over from helpful to unhelpful to irritating - this matters to me, deeply. And if I have learned one thing through ten years of pursuing this goal actively...I'm far, far FAR from alone in having a deep-seated, ingrained desire to be incontinent that I can't deal with any way but to actually *be* incontinent, as the years of addressing it has shown.
I haven't been hiding. I've been speaking where I can. Then someone like you comes in, insistently nay-says until the thread gets nuked, walks away satisfied that they were definitely the good guy, and usually comes back to the next thread to do it again. Ironically, it's your concern that keeps you from having the chance to know, and it's far from just me that's this way. From my research, there may be more than a dozen people out there who have gotten similar operations from other doctors. They're almost impossible to actually talk to, because the moment they start speaking, someone swoops in and makes sure the conversation gets shut down because of "concern for people's safety" or "sensitivity to those who didn't have a choice." They've learned to shut up, keep their heads down, and don't bother bringing it up because best case, they'll have to explain it to someone woefully equipped mentally to understand, or worst case, they'll be beaten down by those "just making sure they don't self-harm again."
Perhaps now you might see why your stance is met with frustration in this forum?
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47 minutes ago, spark said:
Your response would be accurate if you accurately portrayed what I said rather than projecting my caution to an absurd level and then equating me to a homophobe because of it. However, that's not what I did. I merely cautioned and said it was self-harm.
It says everything that you defend it as "being extreme." That's the extent I have to go to to have a CHANCE of you understanding how you're coming across. You are literally incapable of even beginning to accept that, just maybe, your intentions aren't matching what you're actually doing. But I'm done. You're incapable of understanding this from any other perspective than your own. Very well- there's a reason I normally leave your posts in my Ignored list.
Let's talk about ME, then. A subject I am, unabashedly, an expert on. I'm going to talk about the licensed mental health professionals I've seen, which are experts on mental health and the appropriate actions to take. Both of those premises, I hope, are so obviously self-true that I don't have to defend them.
But since I rather enjoy helping others see where this argument is being so wonderfully mis-applied, I will follow your logic, again, to the letter.
47 minutes ago, spark said:I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but I see this as a form of cutting. You don't, which is either because you are actively cutting and trying to defend your actions, or analyzed it to such a degree that you've spent the money to make this happen. Fortunately, it takes a lot more than finding an exacto knife to have access to this surgery, which kills my analogy.
*I* alone don't disagree with you. Four licensed counselors disagree with you. Two urologists (not even including this surgeon!) disagree with you. An entire mental health crisis team disagrees with you. But it will never be enough for exactly the reason you laid out - you either have to defend your position despite all this evidence as still being right, or analyze it and determine that maybe it's much more complicated than the easy way you want it to be. Unfortunately, it takes willingness to do either of those things, so it kills my hope if it happening.
47 minutes ago, spark said:The 2nd thing I do when I see cutting is: get them help! It's a red flag, get them to help immediately. If you're considering this surgery- get help. And if the help you get is condoning this- WTF does it matter that some idiot on the internet disagrees with you?
I *have* gotten help. Reference the previous list if you somehow don't remember. I've gotten lots and lots and lots of help. Do you know what the most common thing a professional says to me after going through all of this? "I understand how this is affecting you, and agree that you'd be better off incontinent. But I can't think of a good way to make it happen. I actually wish there was." But it says a lot that despite "all the help I'm getting condoning this," you still seem to think it's okay to act this way in general to people sharing information about stuff like this. If it was the first time, I would consider you a "random idiot on the internet." But boy, is it a pattern in so many topics in this forum.
47 minutes ago, spark said:AFAIK, we've already had one guy book the surgery, which I think is the first time I've ever heard about anybody getting that far. We've had people propose it for a long time, but nobody had access to the funds to make it happen until now. He found a way to get to the exacto knife, and I hope he will be fine.
Well, considering I also had it done, congratulations. You're poorly informed. I don't expect that to change anything about your viewpoint. You've already decided you're doing the Lord's work in this, can't possibly be in any way, shape, or form doing it incorrectly, and have no plans to change. I "got the Exacto knife" and turned out just fine as well. I also vetted the credentials of the doctor through multiple medical databases and legal checks, but hey, what the heck do I know, right? It's not like I've been obsessively researching topics like this my whole life because it's been a desire I've had for as long as I can remember, affecting my mental health in such dramatic ways that it's led to very dangerous outcomes, where all other methods of treatment for either the desires or the resulting mental conditions haven't led to a full recovery. Nope. Not at all. I must be self-harming.
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Again, I don't expect any actual change. You've already convinced yourself you're correct. And apparently if I am to accept your stance, it means I must be someone who's self-harming under goddamn supervision of about a dozen professionals in mental and urinary health. I care a lot more about the people who have this desire who, after reading multiple comments about how they must be wanting to self-harm and should not even consider options that might help reduce that harm, actually believe it and don't get help they could have had. For me, even knowing this WAS an option I could have pursued would have immensely relieved years of unpleasant stress, even if I didn't go through with it. Knowing there are options out there to help, helps. Telling someone "Make sure you want to do this, because it has a bunch of risks that might lead to bad things" is trying to help self-harm. Telling someone "you must be self-harming to even be considering this" is just being an ignorant, unhelpful asshole.
35 minutes ago, Diapered Dave said:I think this is where the phrase "Let's all agree to disagree.." comes in. 😆😆
I find the phrase "You can't argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" is much more apt here. And this is me stepping away before that happens even more.
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2 hours ago, spark said:
Have I ever encouraged anybody to struggle mentally? I want to caution against something drastic and potentially dangerous, especially if mental health is already fragile. I want to restate that nobody needs my permission or blessing to do this. Just because I disagree, doesn't mean you can't do it.
My self-amputation example bombed for some reason, so let's try this one. Let's assume we have a super-adrenaline junkie who wants to perform a super-risky bungee jump. This is a bungee jump that only a few operators are willing to do, and those that are don't have proven track records. The outfit will only operate in countries that have limited regulation, charge exorbitant fees, and make you sign every liability waiver available. Am I being intolerant if I caution and tell the adrenaline junkie that it might not be a good idea?
If it really was only "cautioning against something drastic and potentially dangerous," I think it'd be a lot more understandable. Let me be incredibly blunt - it's gone way, way way beyond "just cautioning."
Let's follow your analogy, shall we? Let's assume we have a super-adrenaline junkie who can't find what he's looking for in the experiences available. Nothing has quite satisfied that need that he's had. He's done years of research looking for what other options are available, and vetted one option that, while not done enough to have an established track record of safety yet, shows promise with an operator whose record checks out pretty well for what he has done. Knowing all of this, and knowing the risks he's taking, he decides to do it.
Then you come in, screaming, waving your arms in front of the adrenaline junkie, saying, "Look! I know what you're going to do, and it's dangerous! I mean, I thought I wanted to do something like this, but then I went on some go-karts, and that was enough for me! You'd be insane for attempting to do this!"
The adrenaline junkie politely nods, reassures you that they're very aware of that, and that they have, in fact, gone go-karting. You keep insisting that it's dangerous, with each time the adrenaline junkie tries to reassure you going "I can't tell you what to do, but its SUPER DANGEROUS! You must have some flaw in your judgement since any rational person wouldn't dare do this!"
You'll forgive me if the adrenaline junkie thinks you're either a well-meaning idiot or being deliberately obtuse.
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2 hours ago, spark said:
The culture of this thread doesn't want to hear why it might be a bad idea to spend a boatload of money on something that may not alleviate your anxiety. It's your money, it's your body. If it was safe and ethical for a doctor to do it, you wouldn't be shopping so hard to find one who is willing to do it.
I think it says everything about the value of your argument that you only quote the second half of my post.
It wasn't "safe and ethical" for a boatload of things historically that are considered commonplace now. Your argument has been used to argue against transgender surgeries, brain surgery, and even autopsies. Thank goodness society is willing to slowly and deliberately evolve those definitions over time. If you're not even interested in entertaining that thought, I won't put any more energy into trying to change your mind. I hope you don't waste your own energy arguing the same point that everyone else fully and completely understands already.
EDIT: You know what, I think I've finally gotten a grasp on *why* you seem to not be able to comprehend this.
Do you REALLY think the people in this forum DON'T know that this might be a bad idea? Are you genuinely so unintelligent as to think that NOBODY considering this surgery realizes that this MIGHT be a bad idea?
No shit, Sherlock.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. That isn't a new viewpoint. It isn't some hidden truth that you, somehow, have exclusive access to that only you are privileged and capable of expressing. It wasn't right for you. Great! That's wonderful to know. Your "just get over it!" mentality was what led to my suicide attempt. It didn't just "magically go away." Wearing and using diapers didn't magically get "close enough for all intents and purposes." Multiple mental heath professionals realized that it went the other way - the desire was what CAUSED my mental symptoms.
Preach caution all you want. I encourage it! I don't expect people to line up for this procedure. In fact, for most it's not even the first, second, or tenth thing I'd recommend they try to help this desire. But for those that genuinely DO have this deep-seated desire to this level...why are you so insistent that they suffer?
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16 minutes ago, Reddy said:
Yeah I didn't even realize it's a different symbol. I don't know who my driver will be yet but I told Yuni my new arrival time and she said she will send me the driver info
Get ready to do a lot of converting in your head - I survived by dividing every price by 20 - take off the last digit and halve what's left. It's technically like 17.8 pesos to the dollar. But it helped me with quickly deciding if it was worth buying something.
Also, Google Translate is your friend. Download it now if you don't have it. You'll even find others using it to help talk with you.
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16 hours ago, spark said:
I have an issue because you're promoting something that I find harmful. You don't see it that way, but I don't think you've read the whole post. You had an initial reaction but didn't read everything. If you did, and realized that 10 years ago I wanted to kill myself, and you still came back with the tone that you did- you're kind of an AH. If that upsets you- ask yourself, did you read it from my viewpoint?
I hope you notice that I haven't posted on the other thread. Before you judge me as a complete AH, ask yourself why you think that I'm posting here, and not there.
Maybe we look for different kinds of doctors. My Ophthalmologist tore me a new one when she learned that I ignored pre-diabetes and developed Type-2 diabetes. She is the best doctor I have on my team. My SIL would also tear me a new one but would be nicer about it. My step-brother would hang back, but tell me what a bad idea it was. My cousin would talk me through it, and speak to an expert that he knows to make sure I got a valid second opinion.
I have an issue because you're promoting something I find harmful. You don't see it that way, but I don't think you've read any of my posts thoroughly. You've had an initial reaction but didn't read everything. If you did, and realized that 10 years ago, I actually tried to kill myself, and you still come back with the tone that you do, post after post after post after post...you're kind of an AH. If that upsets you ask yourself - is there a reason that, when your exact words are used to describe my reaction to your behavior, why does it upset you so much? Perhaps it's you that's the problem in this situation?
Pretending people don't have these feelings don't magically make them go away. There are actual, real consequences to them feeling like there is no other way for them to safely achieve them. And yet, "for safety" and "to prevent harm," people like you seem to be completely unwilling to allow those feelings to have a safe outlet to be pursued. What's better in your mind - having someone with desires like these feel a continuous, never-ending need that leads to inner conflict, anxiety, and other negative consequences that they either get to bear their whole life without an outlet or take things into their own hands and unsafely try to resolve, or having a way for those desires to actually be fulfilled in a safe, controlled setting with people trained in how to not only make sure it happens, but that this treatment would be the best way to address that desire?
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So, the two biggest things of my life so far, given that I've been in diapers for 10 years before surgery:
1) Every time I feel my diaper getting wetter and I didn't choose it, it's the best feeling in the world.
2) Everything else is just as stressful as it was before becoming incontinent.I take no special effort to hide my diapers - I'm discreet, but I'm in diapers now. No need to try to pretend like I'm not. Most of my friends know, and some know it's because I chose to be. My family often pretends to not notice my diapers - like I'd expect most people's family would.
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The bigger the better, but only for 10-15 minutes at a time. Longer if I want to be especially thorough.
And a stent like Memokath is a possible longer-term solution...but you have to be extremely careful with those. The risks aren't worth it compared to surgery - and that's saying something.
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29 minutes ago, Diapered Dave said:
When you had the surgery in Mexico, did you have to sign any forms acknowledging that you knew you would be diaper dependent afterwards? I would think the doctors would want to cover themselves from a lawsuit, if someone changed their mind afterwards.
How long did you leak freely after the surgery, before the urethral stricture began to form?
Sorry if it seems like a hundred questions, I just find the whole process quite interesting. And I think many others in this forum do too.
They definitely made sure to cover their bases, including making it clear that I understood what I was asking for and why. I don't really have that much legal standing for recourse anyway, as a non-citizen of the country. I'm beyond excited everyone was honest.
For a while, I leaked pretty freely. It took about two weeks for the final clots to pass from surgery, and then another month or so before I noticed something wasn't quite right.
19 minutes ago, Diapered Dave said:There are several postings on FetLife where some people say they have made themselves incontinent just by wearing progressively larger catheters for LONG periods of time. ( Like several months or years.) Starting with a size like 16fr and going up to the max, 30fr. But apparently, it doesn't last forever.
If I didn't feel such a strong need to be wearing diapers, I'd have tried this method. I'm still very much on Team "Try Other Things before Going for Surgery." And as long as you keep using a cath about once a week to keep things stretched out, it seems to maintain itself pretty well. The irony that I'll be cathing myself for the future because of this stricture is not lost on me.
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Your story wouldn't necessarily hold up, mostly because of how skilled the doctor is. Like, "teaches other doctors how to do procedures as a leader" kind of skilled. And there might be other options, but from what I've found, they're harder to get done - and harder to make sure you have a support structure in place to make sure you're alright as you do it.
I signed up myself for a revision - while my procedure definitely had an effect, it'd be nice to see even more of an effect, and the doctor and their support staff are willing to support it without paying again. That's the difference, I've found.
(In fact, I think @Reddy and I have our revisions scheduled for the same date - this will be interesting.