sarahjane

Well crap. You've been through a lot lately. They are very careful. It will be done under ultrasound or CT. This is very important, you have to do it. I guarantee you are tough enough to handle it. And a lot of tough guys don't deal with needles well, a whole lot more don't deal well with pelvic problems. I can tell you can handle it, but none of this is easy. I started getting really, really sick at age 24. All of my hair falling out and having accidents in school. I was misdiagnosed with terminal cancer once during all this. So I do understand. You can do it, just take it one day at a time. Step through it, you never know what good thing will happen tomorrow. I never knew how much I wanted to live until I thought I was about to die. I wish I had more advice for you; I'll think about it.

I agree, probably is deyhydration. It could also be renal colic or a UTI...in particular in an incontinent female. I hate to say this, but get yourself to a doctor. This is not something to mess around with over the weekend if you're in pain with dark urine.

That's a cute little fish.

I've been really quite ill the last couple weeks, plus I had been working extra-hard. The day before that post I spent the whole damn day looking out the window from my hospital bed. I had to be there before dawn. I watched the sun come up over the city, saw the trees grow their shadows short at noon, and then watched as evening came on until the discharged me at 7:30PM. They brought me all three meals, though I was too sick to eat anything of two of the trays. My bill will come to around $20,000 for that day--I know because we've done this before. A lot. I will eventually hit the lifetime limit for my insurance, long before I hit the lifetime limit for my body. My copay will only be about $1,900. A relative bargain that forces me to work a second job to pay the bills, but working the second job wears on my body and makes the illness worse...a lot of people with my condition don't work at all. So when I come on and find some snotty person chewing me out and whining about a condition he does not understand, I have no desire to put up with it anymore. My tolerance for that user has gone to zero. I'm a bit grumpy lately, because a new side-effect has come up where I am basically in level-5 pain 24/7. The treatments for my dz used to also control the pain, but not anymore. There is nothing I can take that will control it (either I am not allowed to take it, or it does not work) except narcotics, which--aside from the possible addiction issues--make my brain so foggy that it is worse than dealing with the pain. I don't even want to bring it up with my doctors. I know more than enough to be dangerous, and I know what I would do with me if I were them, and I don't want to go down that path.

(1) Please explain how salt causes odor. I would like to know the physiology behind this. (2) A lot of vegans I know smell quite bad, not just because some of them don't bathe as much as I would like (they're "too natural" for that, I guess), but because a lot of vegan cuisine is full of garlic, onion, or other strong flavorings in order to give it some taste. This results in bad body and feces odor, trust me. I treated a patient once who was East Indian and would not eat animal products of any kind, and you've never smelled worse diarrhea than a couple day old curry dripping down the side of the gurney. You're correct that a high meat diet will smell worse. That's because the breakdown of the protein releases certain chemicals in a class known as amine compounds. We primates have learned to be offended by those smells, probably as an adaptive strategy so that we don't eat rotten food and get sick. But, are you really telling me that non-meat-based proteins don't smell? They certainly do. Beans make for terrible fecal odor and gas. So do onions and garlic. And a lot of our fecal odor comes from the breakdown of our very own erythrocytes and bile. The main odor you associate with feces is 3-methylindole, also known as Skatole. So, I know that a lot of Vegans like to think of themselves as a little bit superior to we omnivores, but I am afraid that your sh*t still stinks.

Right. Same here. And since the diaper fetish users have ruined practically every incontinence site on the web, I thought maybe, just perhaps, since they had 95% of the "dailydiapers" site for them, they would leave this 5% alone for us here. Like I've said before, if someone gets a charge out of wearing diapers--incontinent or not--hey, good for them. If they can make themselves happy, go for it. But I draw the line when they start lying, exposing themselves, or doing other things that make other diaper-users (incontinent or not) look bad. I don't need the cashier at the local Rite-Aid thinking I'm going to take that package of Depends and march up and down state street wearing just a diaper and bonnet. It's bad enough buying them as it is. I wish I could get a thrill out of it. Sometimes I do get a charge, thinking that someone out there might find me attractive in diapers...because I sometimes get a look at myself in the bathroom mirror and it really sinks my heart. But in reality, attraction to my incontinence would not be the basis of a relationship. I really cannot imagine they lose all control. They may teach themselves to ignore the signals, or even to "push" when they feel the need to go, but that's not the same has having zero control. Or in my case, being in a cold-sweat panic at times because I have just enough control to have a few seconds of warning, but not enough time to do anything about it. Watch out...you are being "mean", heh.

If you all look in the "Wondering something for a while" discussion, you'll see that "diapersallways"--our very own master of the run-on sentence--who chewed out me and others here for 'being too mean', has posted to complain about how we need to be nicer and not discourage people from trying to develop incontinence, as they may like it. So, we're all a bunch of meanies here. We should encourage...nay, assist others in wrecking their bodies. For he may not be able to tell a comma from a colon, but "diapersallways" is apparently a great learned sage in physiology and psychology. I tear up my diplomas in the light of his brilliance. So, keep in mind his statements and opinions when you read his posts. I imagine soon he will be posting on how cool it is to have a dobhoff tube.

Yes, you are a fool. And you chewed me out the other day for "being mean" to people for violating the rules and posting here about "how to become incontinent". And here we go again. Now I know why you complained so much. So here I will "be mean" again. But now I am starting to get angry. So this time I actually will be a bit mean. This is not the forum to advocate incontinence. This is not the forum to ask about how to develop incontinence. This is all explained at the top of the forum, but since you can't even be bothered to use proper spelling or grammar (even if it is a correct spelling, if it is the wrong word, it's not (sic) "write, if you no what's I does mean"), I imagine that's too hard for you to read, or perhaps you've sustained eye damage from spending your life making fake posts at depend.com and whacking off on the keyboard. I also doubt that you are really incontinent. If you--at age 20--have truly, purposely, damaged yourself to the point that you are totally incontinent (which means not having control, not just telling go of your bladder and bowels in public), then you are surely one of the more stupid people here. And unless this is physical damage, you would never really be incontinent because you could regain control. The rest of us cannot. Everyone is stupid at 20 anyway, males more than females, because you think you know it all...when in fact you've barely started to learn. In my experience, the actual knowledge of a 20 y/o is (in general) inversely proportional to their own opinion of their knowledge. Yes, that includes me. I would suggest you are behaving like an asshole, but assholes can be useful, and as far as I can tell you are not. Tell you what. Go get injured to the point that you're either you're in a wheelchair (say a C4 quad on a bowel program) or you've got some medical problem that caused permanent incontinence, and we can talk. Otherwise, you have no idea what you are talking about, any more than if I say I know how someone with spina bifida feels, which I don't. I could say I wish something like that would happen to you, but I would never wish such a thing on anyone. You don't know how we feel. You don't know what we are dealing with. You don't have incontinence--you just play like you do--and you don't have any business telling us anything about it. This is not the forum for you. The whole rest of this site is for you. Why must you post in here? Do you like hurting people? Do you get a charge out of manipulating others over the web? I imagine you also post on goodnites pretending to be a 12 y/o girl and asking if it is okay if you like diapers if you don't really need them, just to force the conversation in that direction. Let's ruin every incontinence site on the web! I bet you got a big laugh out of the hackers who put flashing graphics on the epilepsy foundation website, just to force people into seizures. I am sick of insensitive twerps who think they run the world from the anonymity of their parent's basement. Come join someone with a colon-bladder fistula at their next resection and tell them how lucky their are. Nothing like a year on nothing but TPN for a good time. Grrr....

I don't know what you are talking about. You quoted me so I assume you are referring to me, but you are wrong. Look, I let most stuff go by here. None of my business. But, I get irritated by two things: people asking the same forbidden off-topic questions in the incontinence forum, and the Jerry-Springer style exhibitionist behaviour of some of the members. The poor behaviour of some members causes all of us with incontinence trouble. And yeah, I don't generally log on here that much (I have been lately, as I have been stuck in front of a computer all night), but it seems every time I login, another user has posted a not-allowed question in the incontinence forum. My favorite are the ones about what diagnosis they can claim to have. You say that "we're" mean? How about people who post how lucky we are to have our bodies falling apart? You don't think it hurts to login here and see someone asking how to acquire a problem that ruined big chunks of my life? Made me cancel dates and job interviews? Made me sit home instead of going to a party with friends, knowing that even if I did not have an accident, people would wonder about me sitting in the bathroom all night and that the smell of GI bleeding would kill everyone in the apartment? And people here think they want this, like it is some sort of bonus to life. Yeah, that kind of gets on my nerves sometimes. In particular when I see that the poster is about my age when this all started, and gets an attitude, thinks he is so clever and knows everything. Right when he is asking for help ruining his life. Remember, to you folks this is a lark, just for fun and you can quit anytime you want. We're stuck here, and the damage you do stays after you go back to normalcy. As normal-appearing person, when I go to buy incontinence products, I now have to worry that people think I have some sort of sexual fetish. This adds an additional level of embarrassment that I don't need, and is entirely due to the behavior of a chunk of this population, who likes to go out and "get caught" wearing diapers in public places. It also causes problems for us in other ways. I need to order some supplies soon, and I had read about a new product. Just a month ago, I tried to order an online sample, but I did not hear back from the manufacturer. While keyword-searching for a good price for them online, I ran across a fetish site with users talking about the product, including posting links about how to get a free sample, discussions on how to use multiple email addresses to get multiple free samples for their "collections", etc. Well guess what? In the couple months since then, the manufacturer was so overwhelmed they stopped providing free samples to anyone but institutions. I suppose it is possible that they were overloaded by computer-savvy incontinence sufferers, but I rather suspect that too many fetish users decided to get a bunch of freebies for their "collection" and they canceled the offer--perhaps the manufacturer saw a lot of reference-hits to their webpage and traced back and saw the same posting I did. On Friday night, I finally got an email from a reseller explaining what happened and how I could now order and pay for a sample, but in the meantime, pressured by time and the manufacturer's non-response, I had ordered a bag from another supplier. The product is not going to work out, and I wasted $35 for nothing, all because some jerks wanted free product. That's the sort of thing that really frustrates me. Just like the (non-incontinent) user on another forum here who brags about changing her diaper in pubic in the hope that she will get "caught". The thing is, I know that the great majority of diaper-fetish users don't act this way, but those that do really go out of their way to ruin everything for the rest of you. And, certainly make an already difficult life just that much harder for those of us with real problems. I suggest, since we're so mean, you don't post in this folder.

I'm sick of that right now. I see that here all the time, and I just gave up for the last time in another forum because of someone like that. Was I way-aggressive? Yes. But considering at least one person does it a month, I think it is justified to say enough is enough. He hit me on a bad day. Everyone like that comes in here, ignores the rules, posts, and then says "okay, but now answer my question". Why must we constantly put up with an endless stream of people who don't think rules apply to them?

Are you too stupid to read the "sticky post" saying NOT to ask these questions here, or just too lazy? From the sticky post: This forum is not for posts about can you make me wet myself. This particular forum is for support, advice, and the sole communication of Incontenint members of this board who want serious conversation. If you are here to meet someone, post it in 'meeting place' If you are here to become Incontinent, post it in 'General' All posts will be moved if they are irrelevant.

Though I agree with most of your message, there are a lot of us who have more mild fecal incontinence and don't have an ostomy. Some of my friends with the same disease say that the ostomy has made a major positive difference in their lives, for others it has been a nightmare of skin problems at the ostomy site itself, in part because people with my disease tend to have a lot of allergies. My point is, there are a lot of fecally incontinent people with partial control for whom an ostomy is not now and may never be medically appropriate. Of course, we all keep ourselves clean and are very conscious not to offend other people, unlike some on this forum who seem to have some significant social problems. But that's my editorial comment.

It's no fun, thanks for being polite enough to acknowledge it. I (and others) do appreciate it when folks here recognize that being truly out-of-control is not a fun experience. Like I said, I've only had one fecal accident where it was obvious to everyone, I have small ones all the time...some I don't even notice anymore. But anything larger than say, 30-40ml of fluid (about 1-2oz), is still fairly distressing and can put a dent in, if not ruin a day.

It's pretty rude to involve strangers in your sexual fetish, don't you think? This is about the same level as exposing yourself in a public park. Sounds like you have significant social problems. sj

Ah! There you go again, "Tris" I thought to myself, "wow, that's another idiot", the I realized it was indeed the same idiot. You have a real thing about blaming Christians or conservative folks for everything, don't you? Why would conservative people avoid selling adult diapers? Do they think everyone deserves to have urine running down their legs, or following in trails behind their wheelchair? Is that buried somewhere in the new testament? I can see it now: And the Lord did say, "let the Urine drip from his legs to show the Sin of being injured in an automobile accident by a drunk driver, for it is my Punishment for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And let it be colored in yellow, the sinful color to mark those who take B-Vitamins". Look Tris, you're just a 22 year old kid. Please grow up, or shut up. You're really not that much smarter than everyone else, and you're making yourself look like the prejudicial immature fool you are. Just like in the other forum, where you decided that since some idiot wanted to walk into a daycare center and get the girls to change him, you concluded he must be from a "right wing Christian family" and have acne. For the record, since I'm sure you'll claim I'm Jerry Falwell or something because I'm not advocating having anal sex with goats in the public library, I'm an atheist scientist who has voted for R, D and I politicians in the last elections (generally I find myself voting against the bigger idiot, but that can be a hard contest sometimes). I'd call myself Libertarian if that party were not filled with so many nut cases. I've got two gay friends and one trans-sexual friend, so don't even start down that path. You need a hobby or something. How about learning not to hate people who are different than you. That will be a useful skill to you later in life. The funny thing is, most people I meet like you think they are the morally right ones. Because they only hate people with whom they disagree! Are you really any different from some redneck who thinks left-wingers are evil and responsible for all the bad things that happen? You're the left-wing equivalent of a Rush Limbaugh dittohead, and just as annoying.

I just replied on this same issue in another forum, as did Eric D, which is probably why he's so up-in-arms about it. There is another forum were AB/DL users are asking about walking into a daycare center or hospital and getting someone to change them. Summary: because it's not fair to involve unwilling members of the general public in your sexual fantasies, and it's not fair to treat medical people like prostitutes; servants to act out your desires. Whatever any of us do with willing partners is our own business, but that is where it ends. Would you go into a doctor with a vibrator inserted?

Eric D, I totally agree, and This is my biggest complaint with folks here, and in the AB/DL scene in general You see it here all the time, diaper fetish crowd talking about walking around in the locker room at the gym or somewhere else wearing nothing but diapers. They proudly declare how they strut up and down in front of other people and how they seemed uncomfortable, but did not dare say anything. I really am incontinent, I really have to change in a public changing room while dealing with diapers, and I've put a lot of work into finding a place with some private cubicles where I can do it without making other users uncomfortable. As I said before (if you're a woman), imagine how you would feel if another woman came over in a locker room and proceeded to change her tampon in front of you? Or how about if some guy came over, stuck his butt out, and wiped himself right in front of you? That's the way those AB/DL users are acting. It's just plain rude. They argue that it is "normal and natural" to walk around in diapers. It's not. First of all, most of those folks are not incontinent anyway. Second, even if they are, they know that other people will have a hard time with it, and that is exactly why they do it, they want the shame of being dirty and wrong. Walking around nude is acceptable. But walking around in an adult diaper in a public or even semi-public place is not. It's just like changing your tampon or wiping your butt in front of others (which, I might add, is far more normal and natural). You don't need to do it, and it is rude. And that is why they get such a thrill out of it. The same way that fetish users invade the incontinence or bedwetting sites and claim to be parents who just caught their non-incontinent teenage child sneaking in with a bag of Depends and claims their 16 Y/O "buys diapers because he likes them" and smuggles them home on a bike. Now what real parent, faced with such an event, is going to register at the GoodNites website to ask for advice? A psychological site would make more sense. Nobody is going to post on a bedwetting site to discuss a non-bedwetter buying non-GoodNites products. But the forums drip with them, each one a fetish user trying to get the conversation shifted from medicine to the diaper fetish, yet only succeeding in making the AB/DL crowd look like depraved pedophiles who want hang out with little kids, bragging about how cool their diapers are. People go to those sites to get real help, and you have to spend at least 1/2 your time swatting at AB/DL users like flies. You kill two, and four appear. The worst part is that after a while all the real users get so paranoid that they lash out unfairly at legitimate users because they think it is another fetish user lying in order to manipulate them. Yet some people here wonder why the incontinent users get so angry with them? That's why. So many users get a thrill out of making innocent people uncomfortable, or want to "get caught" out in their diapers, that they constantly make everyone look bad. Just like this thread "hey, how can I involve some innocent person in my weird sexual fantasies?". Why not just walk up to some woman, lift her skirt and pull her panties down? You're basically doing the same thing. I would not call this sort of activity "rape", because rape is a far more evil and brutal act. But what these problem diaper fetish folks are doing is pretty close to low-level molesting strangers. Not too far from rubbing up against a woman's breasts in the subway, or shooting photos up skirts on a stairway. You're getting a thrill off of upsetting other people and involving them in your sexual fantasies against their will. Like I keep saying, if it turns you and/or your partners on, that's great! Just don't involve people against their will. Arrugh!

The sticky header message says that this is not the forum for people who want to become incontinent. Those users ignore that request/rule, and do as they please. Why should we coddle them?

Wow, you can sure read a lot into a post. I would argue he's just a lonely nerd-type who got sick of WoW and decided to work on his sexual fantasies. I had no idea you had the power to analyze someone's religion, political beliefs, and family interaction from a simple post like that. You even know that he has acne. The force must be strong in you. Either that, or you're the sort of person who assumes that Chinese run the laundry, Greeks the candy store, and you're just a little bit better than most people because of your religion and politics. I bet you would be upset if a friend of yours assumed that a black person was, by definition, a dim-witted lazy person who is either unemployed or in a servile role. But you are doing just the same. Prejudice is an ugly thing my friend, not matter who it is directed against. I occasionally need to be reminded of that myself. Today, it is you who have to be reminded.

Diabetes sucks. I feel for you.

Yes, only once was it obvious and escape my clothing. it was horrible.

I'd hit you in the groin and call the cops. What an asshole.

And I've mentioned before that II have nothing against AB/DL folks, I'm glad you found something that makes you happy and I wish I could "get off" on my problems. I keep thinking I can somehow, but in the end when I get really sick, it's just traumatic and I remember how bad it can be. I have memories of sitting trapped in a restroom stall and sobbing, wondering how I could get home. Nothing fun about that for me. I'm sure some of you would get a real charge out of soiling yourself in public and having to take a bus home with everyone knowing what you had done, but it's not my thing. It's the behaviour of certain AB/DL users that is the problem. Imagine if a cigar smoker came over to you, sat in your lap, blew smoke in your face, and assumes you like it. Some people will, but they are the minority. Everyone else is just offended.

And that was my point. And the reason so many incontinent folks are freaked out and intolerant of the AB/DL crowd is that they invade every incontinence forum and destroy it, either by posting their fantasies or lying and claiming to need help, when all they want is people to convince them to wear diapers and provide whacking material. I got so way-sick of people trying to contact me to work on their sexual fantasies that I now go to significant trouble to hide my personal information. Last week one came on to an incontinence forum I read [but never post] talking about how he is 24, and developed bladder problems. And now his mom comes over and checks his diaper every half-hour to see if he is wet, then changes him in front of others. He says he is so happy.... All that sort of crap does is freak out users who are not interested in an AB/DL lifestyle. If you're already having a tough time dealing with your incontinence and feeling self-conscious, the last thing you want is someone running up like a yapping dog and wanting to roll in it. It's even bad here, where you have to expect a bit of it. But this is the only site that has detailed information on diapers. The incontinence forums here--even when the site is full of specific AB/DL forums--are basically worthless because they are overrun with wannabe-incontinent AB/DL users and most incontinent users stay away.

Yes, I think it would be inappropriate. Medical sites are not dating sites. If you found someone, when the girl found out, she would probably be offended that you had lied to her. Also, even on this site people get upset when users fake things to post in the "incontinent" forum. Finally, all the incontinent sites I visit get their fill of AB/DL users lying on the boards and looking for love in several wrong places. You'll be one of a whole bunch of users who have done this, and probably just irritate the folks with incontinence. You've got a whole lot better chance of meeting someone here. So, that's my opinion. I will now stand by while everyone here skewers me....