Threat Level: Rainbow

[Diapered Jason]

For all the ways in which the gay/lesbian community is attacked, I thought this video clip from the Colbert Report really put the attackers in their place. I hope it makes you all laugh.

[DaddyHatiwolf]

The gay/lesbian community catches almost a third the hell that lifestyle fetishists catch.

[Leilin]

The gay/lesbian community catches almost a third the hell that lifestyle fetishists catch.

Not accurate. Not even close. I'm not sure if this is an attempt at trolling or not so I'll just ignore it for now.

[Guest munchkitten]

The gay/lesbian community catches almost a third the hell that lifestyle fetishists catch.

Kinky people aren't murdered. lgbt people are.

I love you, but that was a pretty dim comment.

[shybiguy]

To be fair there aren't too many 'out' AB/DLs. But I do agree there is no comparison.

[Guest Amphetamenace]

Kinky people aren't murdered. lgbt people are.

I love you, but that was a pretty dim comment.

That is rare when people are murdered. Yeah, in underdeveloped countries, there may be some sexually-oriented genocidal morale, but there are thousands dying and starving, etc; those places are just clusterfuck nests. And you best believe it that sexual deviants are murdered as well. I'm not a sexual deviant; infantilism is a comfort thing to me, but its integral and I couldn't imagine life without it. People like me would probably get the axe as well.

Back in acient times, lgbt people were murdered, faced social disruption, and tortured, but so were people of ANY sexual deviation whatsoever. It was such a belief (as stated in the Divine Comedy) that "sexual deviants" and "sodomites" had a room in hell with their name on it; which was published in that time period. That's how intolerant these people were.

lgbt people have had a longer, harder knock than AB/DLs but because it was more "open" and brought to public attention than sexual deviations. But lgbt people in most settled countries can sail relatively smoothly through their lifestyle.

However, the current day-to-day impacts have much more gravity in an AB/DL's lifestyle. I'd say 2/3s of men and women involved in this fetish keep it in the bedroom, on the computer and under the rug; half ashamed, half settled from the support groups online, spending it completely alone. A small percentage branch out to their partners, and I'd say a fraction of a percentage of those people have success stories from it.

As for me, I'm in a relationship, but I do have a few AB/DLs "on hold" in nearby states incase things don't workout. But the hasstle of meeting someone online (Are they who they say they are? Are they strange in person?, etc) and maintaining a long-distance relationship almost makes it damn near not worth it. I dont know the "Non-ABDL" to "ABDL" ratio, but the small window of 5 or 6 people who are into diapers that you find worth talking to, after searching all the sites, etc, REALLY narrows down your chance, compared to the MILLIONS of people and THOUSANDS of lbdl's you'd find otherwise. So you better "hope" someone from your little population sample turns out to be Mr./Mrs. Right.

I'm a female and I have this problem. There are ten times as many males as there are females. They are virtually nearly hopeless, unless they can "Convert" someone, or just hit a lucky strike. But me, (a female), young, and averagely attractive can't sit down and open up my inbox without 10 more messages each hour. Just to show you how rare we are.

In conclusion, AB/DLs end up practically alone. Most gay people can pair up no problem.

I do respect and admire them for being the banner-carriers for sexual deviants, and I sympathize with their losses they faced.

In the future, I see us coming out more, and we WILL be accepted, as well as other sexual deviants. But I'm sure anybody with a sympathetic bone in their body can't hate us. Unlike pure fetishists, our lifestyle is centered around love and comfort. Even diaper fetishists, who require diapers for sexual gratification, have stated that it makes them feel secure and comforted.

When we make people realize that we're not pooping, gooing, kicking perverts, (I have done all of these things, didnt like pooping too much but I don't mean this in an offensive way), and lose the pedophile association they'll all say "Awwwwwww" and get over theirselves. All it takes is time.

But to say AB/DLs or ANY sexual deviants at all have it easier than gays is a bit of a stretch. In intolerant people's eyes, we're all "filth", and if gays go down swinging then people like us will usually follow.

[ItchyTasty]

Oh trust me ignorant arseholes such as street gang members and the kkk/neo nazis not just target people with fetishes/kinks but gay/lesbian/bi/transgender,etc people

So it's not as rare as you think.

On the subject of RARE: I found lilannie and her friend both in diapers in a pic on fetlife. Which I find quite amazing both girls into it that are friends in real life.

[Leilin]

I'm sorry but it is an unequivocal truth that fetishists have it MUCH easier than the LGBT crowd. Period.

Let's just go through the list:

1. ABDLs are allowed to admit that they are ABDL in the military. Might they be made fun of for it? Yup, but people are still made fun of for wearing glasses too. This is minor compared to literally having your life ruined for being gay, or just the suspicion of it.

2. You won't be prevented from being a legal custodian for your loved one in DNR issues if both of you are ABDL.

3. There is no law against adults wearing diapers in any state, or pretty much any country. ABDL is a completely legal fetish. There are laws against cohabitation in several states and laws against actual homosexual practices in several more, not to mention the countries where even the suspicion carries a death penalty.

4. You say that fetishists have been killed for it. I challenge you to prove that, or that it's anything remotely close to the number of people who are killed for being gay on almost a daily basis if there are in the developed world, which I doubt. I've been beaten up for being TG more than once. I've never been beaten up for bedwetting, not even by the people who found out "the hard way."

5. When's the last time a person had a cross burnt on their lawn, or was shot, or was fired, or had their family threatened because they were ABDL?

6. Does a double-digit portion of the united states publicly state that ABDLs deserve to die to HIV?

Seriously. We're talking orders of magnitude in levels of discrimination here. Saying that ABDLs face the same issues as Gay or TG folk can only be done in jest or with complete blinders to reality on. This is fact. On paper, legally, and socially Gay People and TG folk face worse discrimination than most ABDLs who are not Gay or TG (or an oppressed minority) will face in their entire lifetimes. While one can argue that less ABDLs publicize their tendency and be correct that would be because it is generally considered rude to publicize any sexual tendency. Unlike being Gay or TG/TS, being ABDL does not exempt you from civil rights and therefore doesn't really merit the level of public demonstration that the former does. That is not oppression. That is a general public wish to not be subjected to someone else's sexual practices and, guess what, they still don't legally prevent you from doing that, even if that subjection would make the person doing something of an ass.

And, of course, ABDL is one of the LEAST accepted fetishes, due to its unfortunate likening to practices with children. When the subject of general fetish is used, that equivocation is even more ridiculous. Many fetishes, such as light BDSM, handcuff play, and wax play, are regularly portrayed in a positive light in film and television and are practically accepted by mainstream society.

[Guest Amphetamenace]

I'm sorry but it is an unequivocal truth that fetishists have it MUCH easier than the LGBT crowd. Period.

Let's just go through the list:

1. ABDLs are allowed to admit that they are ABDL in the military. Might they be made fun of for it? Yup, but people are still made fun of for wearing glasses too. This is minor compared to literally having your life ruined for being gay, or just the suspicion of it.

2. You won't be prevented from being a legal custodian for your loved one in DNR issues if both of you are ABDL.

3. There is no law against adults wearing diapers in any state, or pretty much any country. ABDL is a completely legal fetish. There are laws against cohabitation in several states and laws against actual homosexual practices in several more, not to mention the countries where even the suspicion carries a death penalty.

4. You say that fetishists have been killed for it. I challenge you to prove that, or that it's anything remotely close to the number of people who are killed for being gay on almost a daily basis if there are in the developed world, which I doubt. I've been beaten up for being TG more than once. I've never been beaten up for bedwetting, not even by the people who found out "the hard way."

5. When's the last time a person had a cross burnt on their lawn, or was shot, or was fired, or had their family threatened because they were ABDL?

6. Does a double-digit portion of the united states publicly state that ABDLs deserve to die to HIV?

Seriously. We're talking orders of magnitude in levels of discrimination here. Saying that ABDLs face the same issues as Gay or TG folk can only be done in jest or with complete blinders to reality on. This is fact. On paper, legally, and socially Gay People and TG folk face worse discrimination than most ABDLs who are not Gay or TG (or an oppressed minority) will face in their entire lifetimes. While one can argue that less ABDLs publicize their tendency and be correct that would be because it is generally considered rude to publicize any sexual tendency. Unlike being Gay or TG/TS, being ABDL does not exempt you from civil rights and therefore doesn't really merit the level of public demonstration that the former does. That is not oppression. That is a general public wish to not be subjected to someone else's sexual practices and, guess what, they still don't legally prevent you from doing that, even if that subjection would make the person doing something of an ass.

And, of course, ABDL is one of the LEAST accepted fetishes, due to its unfortunate likening to practices with children. When the subject of general fetish is used, that equivocation is even more ridiculous. Many fetishes, such as light BDSM, handcuff play, and wax play, are regularly portrayed in a positive light in film and television and are practically accepted by mainstream society.

It seems to me like youre taking offense to this. Why don't you take a deep breath and hear what I'm trying to say at face value. I'm agreeing with you that gays are discriminated against, but SEXUAL DEVIANTS, NOT just ABDLs are NOT exempt from persecution. I have no problem with debating with you. Again, I respect gays, more than "straights" because I know they're in the same "tree" as sexual deviants. My brother is gay.

I'm not just talking about AB/DLs. Did you read my whole post ?

1.) Any sexual deviancy of any kind is not allowed in the military, paramilitary (police, merchant marine, etc) or basically any professional practices such as medical practice or office-holding positions. Basically, for the most part, anything that pays above minimum wage.

2.) True, but sexual deviances often cause the divorce in the first place.

4.)LBGTs have been killed because they have rallied out in the open. If infantilists would do this, the same would happen.

The points I was trying to make were, sexual deviants often end up alone, isolated and unhappy, while gays at least have each other and the support of "most" people around them.

If LBGT people live in states where oppressive rules are posed, they have the option of relocating to a more tolerable state. Discrimination against deviants is applicable every where.

There are mixed, intergrated rallies, where people of all integrated "deviancies" have participated in, including homosexuality (which I personally don't consider deviant)where attacks have taken place and deviants have died. Including AB/DLs

I have to go, my boyfriend is throwing noodles at me to get off the computer.

[Leilin]

Italics used due to quote limits.

It seems to me like youre taking offense to this.

The equivocation of a practice of choice which is not appreciated publicly with a state of being which may get you murdered is offensive.

Why don't you take a deep breath and hear what I'm trying to say at face value.

It was posited that fetishists are equally discriminated against to, and discriminated three times as much as, Gay People. I responded to precisely that incredibly untrue statement. Did I miss anything? If you didn't say that then your statement had nothing to do with mine, since that is the point that I was refuting. Claro?

I'm agreeing with you that gays are discriminated against

That was not the point of my post.

, but SEXUAL DEVIANTS, NOT just ABDLs are NOT exempt from persecution.

And I did not contest that.

I have no problem with debating with you. Again, I respect gays, more than "straights" because I know they're in the same "tree" as sexual deviants. My brother is gay.

Debate is good, but I request that you attempt to debate points that I've actually made. So far in your post, you have actually seemingly completely ignored what I said and replaced it with different statements. It's nice that your brother is Gay, but my brother works for Volkswagon and I love him, but that doesn't mean I like their cars. That is as useless of a statement in a discussion like this as "I have gay friends."

Gay people are not in the same "tree" as sexual deviants. They are at least completely parallel and at most completely unrelated factors. One can like diapers and BDSM and vanilla sex, or one of them. One cannot have two sexual orientations (one might be able to be bi or asexual, of course, (up to debate? Not really germane to this conversation) but that's a different orientation than Gay or Stright) and orentiations have genetic factors which most fetishes demonstrably and factually do not.

I'm not just talking about AB/DLs. Did you read my whole post ?

In my refutation of your false equivocation of degrees, I took one of the most, if not THE most discriminated against fetishes. Got it?

1.) Any sexual deviancy of any kind is not allowed in the military, paramilitary (police, merchant marine, etc) or basically any professional practices such as medical practice or office-holding positions. Basically, for the most part, anything that pays above minimum wage.

False. All actions of sexual misconduct are charged under Article 133 of the UCMJ: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm133.htm

It says absolutely nothing about sexual deviancy, but it's obviously vague so we'll have to look at it in practice: I challenge you to find one case of sexual deviancy, other than statutory rape, which resulted in charges and was not paired with exhibitionism. I'll wait.

For normal jobs, it'd be hard to say. I don't think smart people put their fetishes on a job application or their sexuality, unless it's part of the question on the applications referring to protected class. If your work knows about your fetish, you're doing an awful job of keeping the bedroom in the bedroom.

2.) True, but sexual deviances often cause the divorce in the first place.

That's completely irrelevant.

4.)LBGTs have been killed because they have rallied out in the open. If infantilists would do this, the same would happen.

I've had the living crap beaten out of me on two occasions, not because I rallied in the open but because I looked like I could be a boy or a girl. You are so completely incorrect here that it's sad. Do you seriously think that all of the LGBTs who have been killed are such because they rally out in the open? Most TG folk do not care to advertise it at all, FYI, and the Day of Silence was started because of a TG person who kept to herself being brutally murdered.

Also: Infantilists HAVE rallied out in the open at the Folsom Street Fair. I don't recall any of them ever having been killed and some of them were friends of mine.

Judgement on #4: FALSE. (Where'd number 3 go?)

The points I was trying to make were, sexual deviants often end up alone, isolated and unhappy, while gays at least have each other and the support of "most" people around them.

This is NOT persecution and discrimination. Also, just as often as homosexuals DO have support, in the US, they get completely ostracized by their families. For many fetishists, their issue isn't something to be ashamed of, as well. You will find handcuffs and leather bindings and whips being sold at almost every sex shop, out in the open next to the lube, the porn, and the interesting sex books and novelty clothing.

If LBGT people live in states where oppressive rules are posed, they have the option of relocating to a more tolerable state. Discrimination against deviants is applicable every where.

Irrelevant.

There are mixed, intergrated rallies, where people of all integrated "deviancies" have participated in, including homosexuality (which I personally don't consider deviant)where attacks have taken place and deviants have died. Including AB/DLs

Also irrelevant. I did not, again, dispute that fetishists are at times discriminated against. I stated that the equivocation of the level of discrimination of the two was false and frankly insulting.

Just like it's completely inappropriate to say that Homosexuality is a similar factor to sexual deviance, it's also, honestly, a bad idea to generalize factors of sexual deviance, I think. There is too much variation and some deviances, such as light bondage, are not discriminated against at all.

[Diapered Jason]

I apologize, I did not mean to start a debate here, but everyone should understand; Gays and lesbians are in the public eye right now, and as a result people out there think they are a threat.

[KittenAB]

Reminds me that a few years ago there was a group of "typical" guys going through our Capital Hill area actually seeking out gay people and beating them, some to the brink of death. Nothing was done about it until one newspaper printed a huge story about it, then the news stations picked it up ... and FINALLY someone pushed the police department in that are to act, which then the story literally just ended .... seriously. For people who think the LGBT people are safe in the US, think again. To make this much more understandable, the Capital Hill area here use to be known as "the gay district".

[Leilin]

XD. Our "Gay District" here in Vegas is more lovingly called "The Fruit Loop." Fun place with one of the best fetish shops in town. :D

[KittenAB]

XD. Our "Gay District" here in Vegas is more lovingly called "The Fruit Loop." Fun place with one of the best fetish shops in town. :D

Lucky, we have sex shops but no fetish shops other than the leather on. >.<