Edmonton Sex Offender With Diaper Fetish 'High Risk To Reoffend'

[Darkfinn]

I'm pretty sure that all the appeals, re-appeals, re-re-re-appeals right up to the Supreme Court and other processes associated with the death penalty (that cost many, many millions of tax-payer dollars) are probably more than the cost of keeping one prisoner on a life/no parole term... I could be wrong but I don't think non-death penalty prisoners have access to the same breadth of appeal routes...

I think you'd find the comparison between the cost of carrying a death penalty case from prosecution to execution vs a whole-life prison term surprising...

Again... I'm not talking appeals. Most cases like this are pretty cut and dry... once the defendant is found guilty the Bailiff should simply drag his sorry arse out back and be done with it. A bullet costs what... a dollar?

[messyman]

These people need treatment, and unfortunately our current system of psychiatry doesn't seem to be up to the task. In the United States the penal system is supposed to be about reform and rehabilitation, and it sucks.

The effectiveness of treatment really depend if being a paedophile is a disease or condition or a sexual orientation.

[Darkfinn]

Funny... I thought prison was supposed to be about punishment, not reform.

When Little Johnny throws a tantrum you don't send him to a doctor... you take his toys away and sit him in the corner for a spell, or if he's been really naughty you deliver a swift pop to the backside. Hopefully he'll learn not to do such things again.

Sadly people in "civilized" countries are going away from this attitude.

[diamondback6881]

once the defendant is found guilty the Bailiff should simply drag his sorry arse out back and be done with it. A bullet costs what... a dollar?

Depends on the caliber. A 5.56mm(which is what an M-16 uses) is about 50 cents. a .308 is roughly a buck a piece.

[Darkfinn]

I was thinking a deer slug would do the job nicely.

[dogpiss]

A point I need to re-iterate. It's not just about rehabilitation, it's about punishment. Frequently the later is overlooked in modern times. Punishment doesn't make anyone 'feel better' or 'undo the past', but punishment, and measure for measure punishment is a way to restore justice denied.

[Yvhuce]

As unpleasant as the fact may seem, there are some people who are and will always be a threat to others. These people are not rehabilitatable. And so long as they're alive, they have the capacity to do things like molest children. It's exceptionally rare that they're ever non-repeat offenders. These people must be killed to protect the people they prey upon. It's the only way to stop them for good.

[Guest Wetnmessy247]

Actually punishment is NOT overlooked. The US prison system has the largest population of incarcerated inmates, and the US system also incarcerates for longer periods of time than other countries.

It's a fallacy to say punishment is overlooked, because that can't be farther from the truth. The US prison system has a population around 2.5 million incarcerated.

The problem.....therefore...is not punishing people because our system is maxxed out with inmates serving substantial periods of time locked up. The problem is our community system does not take a more proactive approach to controlling crime. We as people take a reactive approach to crime: that is, only after the fact do we pay attention to the individual.

it is dead wrong to think we are not focusing on punishment. Because we are. However there are so many offenders we are running out of place to warehouse them. Warehousing is actually the term colleagues use when referring to incarceration. The public in general wants to lock up all the "bad guys" and that's it. Unfortunately, doing so results in a system in debt, a system over populated, and more and more inmates being released early to make room for incoming offenders.

Calirfornia's prison system alone teeters near $1 billion dollars to maintain and control.

I've done studies in the past on the overall general opinions and inner mechanisms of the prison system and a majority of people assume the system isn't focusing on punishment when releasing inmates. This is wrong. Our corrections system focuses HEAVILY on punishment.

We just don't have enough beds to warehouse these people.

Punishment and incapacitation are the modern focuses of our system.

We couldn't be farther from the goal of the other two purposes of incarceration: retribution, or as you say "eye for an eye" and rehabilitation, which a majority of us studying the system believe isn't possible, especially for sex offenders.

Antisocial personlaity (like sex offenders have) start showing signs at around 10-13 tears old. If we don't take proactive measures to see that these kids don't offend, then we have advanced ZERO percent towards a utopian paradise (which isn't possible for us cynics).

Yes, the CJ system is fundamentally flawed in many areas. And it does not appear there will be any moajor changes for some time.

Believe it or not, the justice system is beaurecratic.

One author said it best: "the color of justice is GREEN."

[Darkfinn]

Again... you are confusing incarceration with punishment. I wouldn't call 3 squares a day and a roof over my head while I sit on my arse all day long a punishment. What happened to the days of chain gangs and breaking rocks into smaller rocks? Today's prisoners have cable TV for crying out loud! When you were young, what was the first thing that mommy did when you were bad? She took away the TV.

And America has so many people in prison b/c a large number of them are there for stupid crimes like selling weed. If we legalized Marijuana it would turn loose at least 1/3 of the prison population right there.

[PArms]

I believe that all prisons should be self-sustaining work farms. Power and water could be supplied by renewable sources such as solar, wind, and hydro... and the prisoners could sell any extra crops they grew to buy things they couldn't make themselves. Certainly better than paying for them to work out or mill around the cell block all day.

The inmates ARE renewable sources of energy. If they want lights, run them on a hamster wheel.

But they shouldn't need it anyway. Provide them water and meals, minimum clothing and just enough room in individual cells (with barred windows) to lay down to sleep and use the toilet. Keep them there 24/7 for the duration of their sentence. Sentences wouldn't have to be long in those conditions.

My mom kept me in check when I was younger by teaching me that the only thing that you received in jail was bread and water.

[Darkfinn]

The inmates ARE renewable sources of energy. If they want lights, run them on a hamster wheel.

But they shouldn't need it anyway. Provide them water and meals, minimum clothing and just enough room in individual cells (with barred windows) to lay down to sleep and use the toilet. Keep them there 24/7 for the duration of their sentence. Sentences wouldn't have to be long in those conditions.

My mom kept me in check when I was younger by teaching me that the only thing that you received in jail was bread and water.

Well, sadly there are things that qualify as "cruel or unusual"... such as no lights or the hamster wheel.

As far as bread and water goes... most people completely miss out on the point of that. Bread and water isn't a diet, it is a torture method used to extract information from prisoners. The bread clogs up your system... eventually leading to constipation and severe cramps.

[dogpiss]

Three hots and a cot isn't punishment measure for measure for most crimes. Measure for measure, but since so many crimes are so heinous, the punishments that should be meted measure for measure would never be allowed.

[Heven]

It's comments like some of these that truly depress me when I think of the prevalence of the jury system. To everyone demanding death and torture, think rationally for one second about this: why on earth would anyone want to become a pedophile? Why would anyone want to be a child molester?

Such people are products of their environment, and almost always, prior victims of abuse themselves. Hate the sin, but these sinners want no more to be what they are than you would.

[Yvhuce]

Again... you are confusing incarceration with punishment. I wouldn't call 3 squares a day and a roof over my head while I sit on my arse all day long a punishment. What happened to the days of chain gangs and breaking rocks into smaller rocks? Today's prisoners have cable TV for crying out loud! When you were young, what was the first thing that mommy did when you were bad? She took away the TV.

And America has so many people in prison b/c a large number of them are there for stupid crimes like selling weed. If we legalized Marijuana it would turn loose at least 1/3 of the prison population right there.

No. All that would do is appease the potheads and filthy hippies. They'd still be a problem. They also need to get rid of alcohol. It's a legal drug, and constributes to a significant portion of crime that kills people... Legalizing pot would only make it just as much a problem as alcoholism...

It's comments like some of these that truly depress me when I think of the prevalence of the jury system. To everyone demanding death and torture, think rationally for one second about this: why on earth would anyone want to become a pedophile? Why would anyone want to be a child molester?

Such people are products of their environment, and almost always, prior victims of abuse themselves. Hate the sin, but these sinners want no more to be what they are than you would.

Just because you had an effed-up childhood doesn't mean it's ok to go out and wreck other people's lives... Such offenders are driven to offend, yes, but that's why they need to be killed. Because otherwise, the only other viable option is life imprisonment in an already crowded system that would cause us all to pay to have that person catered to for the rest of their life. The only other option than that is to turn them out, so they can do it again. And that's just plain wrong. There are a lot of us out here who have a lower standard of living than those who're in prison, but we don't go around committing crimes. No, we work for what little we have and are thankful to have that... Yes, we may complaint about it, but that's our right as the backbone of our respective countries... You can't save a sinner who doesn't want to be saved. And when that sin involves hurting others, they have to be held accountable for their actions. Not stuck in a cell somewhere and given a higher quality of life than our working class, at the expense of said working class. No. That's just not right... So, for those who somehow see the need to defend these cancers on society, remember that you're doing so at the expense of good, non-criminal people, and often the victims of said criminals...

[Darkfinn]

No. All that would do is appease the potheads and filthy hippies. They'd still be a problem. They also need to get rid of alcohol. It's a legal drug, and constributes to a significant portion of crime that kills people... Legalizing pot would only make it just as much a problem as alcoholism...

What delusion do you live in?

We tried the whole "get rid of alcohol" bit... remember prohibition? Yeah, let's go through that all over again. Bathtub gin and the Mob killed more people than alcoholism ever has.

Whenever the government outlaws something it looses all ability to control or regulate it. Alcohol and tobacco are legal drugs... and the govt. rakes in billions of dollars off of taxes every year. Marijuana, cocaine, heroin, X and meth are all illegal... and the govt. spends billions every year trying to keep them under control. Could we not turn that expenditure into revenue by legalizing drugs and taxing the hell out of them? Or how about just stopping the ineffective "war on drugs" and using the money to improve our schools or to put people to work on building and modernization projects instead?

People think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were a waste of American lives and taxpayer dollars... lots of good men and women died, and it really didn't make a difference in the overall scheme of things. You should see the cost in dollars and lives that the "War on Drugs" has run up since the 70's... yet the stuff still comes into the country in increasing amounts every day.

[Yvhuce]

Of course, back then, there the mafia was a real threat and there were a lot more people who knew how to make booze. It was the right idea implemented at the wrong time. They could probly do it nowadays with less trouble... Nowadays, you could get the health nuts behind an anti-alcohol stance and probly make some real progress. We've tried the "if it's more accessible, it won't be as much of a problem" method and that didn't work... Alcoholics are more of a problem now than they were back then...

The problem is that they're not being tough enough on the druggies and drug suppliers and manufacturers/growers. They spend all that money, then give them a slap on the wrist and let them loose again... They need to take them out behind the the tool shed with a 12-gauge and do a little "brain surgery"...

The same goes for drunks. Often, by the time someone kills someone else while drunk driving, they've been arrested for it over 5 times. The first time should be a revocation of their driver's license for a few years and seizure of the vehicle, to be sold at police auction. The second should be permanently banning them from obtaining a license and also seizure of their vehicle, for sale at police auction. If they do it again, they're also guilty of driving without a license and should just be shot in the head...

[messyman]

Of course, back then, there the mafia was a real threat and there were a lot more people who knew how to make booze. It was the right idea implemented at the wrong time. They could probly do it nowadays with less trouble... Nowadays, you could get the health nuts behind an anti-alcohol stance and probly make some real progress. We've tried the "if it's more accessible, it won't be as much of a problem" method and that didn't work... Alcoholics are more of a problem now than they were back then...

What are you on?

They can't stop people from making booze in prison how do you expect any success in the real world? Anyone can figure out how to make booze in ten minute on the internet like I did in high school. Health nuts are an endangered species if you haven't noticed, morbidly obese people are the new growth industry. I would like to see some citation that alcoholics are more of a problem today than in the early 1900s. I am betting that many regular people back then would be considered alcoholics by todays standards.

[Opie]

Ok, Devil's Advocate for the "take em' behind the shed and kill them".

Look at this angle. How many people have been freed AFTER conviction AND appeals because DNA didn't match? People who have spent 20, 30, 40 years in jail have been released because DNA did not match. What would have happened if we would have killed them? That's the ONLY problem I have with death penalty. If there is a SMALL chance the individual might not have done what they did, d.p. should not be applied.

Another cross thought here too.... What if it's your kid who grows up to be the molestor? They're face plastered over the Internet and news? Would you be the first in line to put a bullet in your kids head right after they're convicted?

Punishment should be the primary force in the post legal system. Put people away. But our current way hasn't proved to work. Drugs, alcoholics, perverts... Jail is not JUST the answer. Group therapy during incarceration can go a long way toward helping people understand why they do what they do. If they actually want to break that cycle, they will. Until that happens, this vicious cycle will continue, no matter what the crime was.

Just my penny.

[diamondback6881]

Another cross thought here too.... What if it's your kid who grows up to be the molestor? They're face plastered over the Internet and news? Would you be the first in line to put a bullet in your kids head right after they're convicted?

Yes.

[acemanner]

" Windsor's current charges were laid in 2007 after RCMP seized 1,100 CDs, eight computer hard drives, VHS tapes and other electronic storage media crammed with pictures, movies, stories and audiobooks depicting children having sex. After police seized his computers, he built another one from scrap parts and stored child pornography on it. When he was arrested, he was carrying an MP3 player loaded with audiobooks that told sexual stories about men and little girls."

holy shit...

[WallaWalla]

Yes.

Have you had children? I'll admit that I haven't either, and probably never will. But, hey I'm also going to admit that I can't judge what I would do if I was a parent at the same time.

Anyway, this whole thread seems to have gone to hell in a handbasket. I don't even think that some of the people posting here even know what topic they are posting on anymore(Not aimed at diamondback, he's actually on-topic).

[diamondback6881]

Have you had children? I'll admit that I haven't either, and probably never will. But, hey I'm also going to admit that I can't judge what I would do if I was a parent at the same time.

No, no kids.

But, I treat all child molesters the same.

[Yvhuce]

Damn straight. All offenders must be held accountable, regardless of if they're family, friends, the president, the pope, etc...

What are you on?

They can't stop people from making booze in prison how do you expect any success in the real world? Anyone can figure out how to make booze in ten minute on the internet like I did in high school. Health nuts are an endangered species if you haven't noticed, morbidly obese people are the new growth industry. I would like to see some citation that alcoholics are more of a problem today than in the early 1900s. I am betting that many regular people back then would be considered alcoholics by todays standards.

I'm not on anything. Among other things, back then, such things as cars were a high-class luxury, not something that everyone had. Plus, they couldn't go nearly as fast. Back then, vehicles and roads weren't meant to handle the speeds they are today. Nowadays, everyone has access to them and to booze. And often times, drunk drivers skate by with 5 or more arrests before they kill someone. Have your ever seen the carnage of a head-on collision between a pickup truck and a semi going 65+ mph, up close and personal? I have helped clear this kind of wreckage from the highway. The driver of the pickup was drunk and decided to pass a car on a bridge and hit the rig. The rig ran up on cement railing and twisted the frame 180-degrees and its driver burned to death trying to climb out. The turbocharger from the rig's engine was thrown about 50 yards. The pickup was unrecognizable as such. And there were chunks of flesh here and there and blood and vehicular fluids all over the place... They really should make alcoholics have to do this kind of work.