[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

15 hours ago, cathdiap said:

Does this mean that by using penis clamps you can completely avoid wearing diapers or pull-ups? 

I had heard that there's a limit as to how long you're supposed to wear those, seeing as they compromise circulation to the penis.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:49 PM, Squeaky Bearsies said:

I think I would feel safer with just them cutting the internal sphincter than messing around with external sphincter and prostate.

The external sphincter is the one that's under voluntary control - cutting just the internal sphincter won't be of much help here.

Though this does raise one question: I understand the ide behind hollowing out the prostate is to compensate for it swelling up when the sphincters are removed, which I'm guessing is due to the lack of pressure. Would that still be an issue if only the external sphincter is cut?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 3/9/2024 at 1:42 AM, Diapered Dave said:

You've found other clinics doing the surgery too? That's exciting news for many in this group! Are any of them in the U.S.?  

I'm sure a few people here would also be interested in knowing if any of them charge less than $25,000.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 2/27/2024 at 4:10 PM, DAQ said:

I think the other issue maybe the muscles response to severed nerves. I read a story of someone who had botox into the spincter for UAB and instead of being relaxed open the muscles were forced closed until the botox wore off.

Yeah, I saw that. I don't suppose having a catheter in there while the Botox takes effect might prevent that?

 

On 2/27/2024 at 11:07 PM, Old_PA said:

My inner sphincter and prostate were removed by robotic keyhole surgery going in through the navel after some prostate cancer was found 9 years ago.

I'm pretty sure that surgical robots are still way too expensive for something like this - I wonder if manual laparoscopic surgery would work?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 2/18/2024 at 12:54 AM, boogles said:

1. The resection of the bladder neck, prostate, and sphincter reduces the risk of strictures.  I’m not sure if it is true or not, but interesting idea.  Most literature is about minimizing the cutting.

I've wondered how removing the lower sphincter through the abdomen (instead of chewing up the urethra to get to it) would change the risk factors there. Though it probably wouldn't have any real advantage if the muscle can't easily be separated from the urethra.

That or leave the sphincter muscle alone and sever the nerve that drives it. Though tampering with the nervous system obviously has its own risks.

[My experience with stents]

On 2/17/2024 at 8:48 AM, cathdiap said:

But it wasn't as good as the old one, even though they were almost identical in size and shape (after turning the bulge at the bottom sideways). It tended to migrate and caused too much discomfort. And then I realized I hadn't twisted it like I did with the old one.

 

About that bulge: The instructions in your profile state that the inner plastic tube is made from a "plastic straw from spray bottle". Is there anything equivalent one can purchase if one doesn't have any empty spray bottles lying around? Thank you.

[Church Found Out im an AB]

This is why I roll my eyes when I hear people promote religion as a source of moral guidance (well, that plus their anti-LGBT insanity, plus supporting politicians who want to ban abortion while letting major corporations go hog wild). Yes, there are churches that actually respect Jesus' basic teachings, but in my experience the more someone advertises Christianity as a solution to life's problems, the less likely they are to be referring to one of those.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

I wonder if it would be possible to just cut out the external sphincter, ideally for less than $25,000.

Edit: And part of the prostate if that's still necessary. Though there was talk of periodically putting in a catheter to hopefully prevent urethral strictures - would that also do anything to avoid having the prostate swelling?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

1 hour ago, Reddy said:

It is amazing lying here and noticing myself wetting here and there, with no sensation of it.  I'm glad that so far, the leaks are small and frequent enough that my diaper gets wet gradually.  At least that might help me avoid the certain types of leaks I had in past occasions when suddenly flooding a diaper.

Did they cut out both urinary sphincters, or just the lower sphincter?

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

19 minutes ago, Reddy said:

I need to do that now!  I will try to do that this afternoon.  I am hoping the Oxxo across the street has diapers.  Otherwise I might try to have walmart delivery or something like that.

For what it's worth, Amazon Locker has lockers in Mexico, though there are only a few brands of decent diapers that meet the size requirement.

 

2 hours ago, BrownBobby said:

Gods I wish. For what it's worth, the price does seem to be steadily ticking down operation over operation, but that's fair from a guaranteed trend.

There has also been discussion of the idea of injecting Botox into the lower sphincter muscle, which should theoretically be much less expensive. One shot is only temporary, but I had also heard that repeated injections can render a muscle permanently inoperative.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

25 minutes ago, BrownBobby said:

Get ready to do a lot of converting in your head - I survived by dividing every price by 20 - take off the last digit and halve what's left.  It's technically like 17.8 pesos to the dollar. But it helped me with quickly deciding if it was worth buying something.

Also, Google Translate is your friend. Download it now if you don't have it.  You'll even find others using it to help talk with you.

Google can also be used for currency conversion.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

33 minutes ago, DiaperNomad said:

Despite what other have said, I do not believe it is a good idea to be upfront with your doctors about the surgery. If I had the surgery the last thing I would want on my medical chart is a doctor speculating that I have committed some form of "Self Harm" or to have them attempt to refer me for psychiatric help. While I don't see it as a form of self harm I doubt a doctor would agree with me and that is the issue. As for what to tell them? I have no idea 🤷‍♂️.

Also best of luck with the surgery! You are doing us all a big service by keeping us updated!

There's actually a thread here by someone who attempted to get this surgery in the US. He actually persuaded a psychiatrist to sign off on it, but the urologist's response felt like a polite way of saying "you crazy".

[In what way would you most like to become incontinent?]

I've taken an interest in stents because I'd like to experience true incontinence with no long-term commitment. There are enough times when I don't wear diapers that the other options wouldn't be practical. Plus it seems the surgery carries a risk of erectile dysfunction and structures. If I could buy a stent built to FDA standards, I'd be all over it.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 2/1/2024 at 5:32 AM, Donaldo said:

An incontinence on/off switch might become an option in the future, if this product gets approved:

https://www.reliefsrl.com/#product

A simple use of a magnet to open/close the valve to be continent/incontinent. And my guess is, it would require "maintenance" every 2 years, with a simple procedure through the urethra to remove and insert a new.

But it will never give you the same feeling as being incontinent for real. You choose to make the diaper wet, like you do when you actively empty your bladder. So I bet it feels a lot "same-same, but different" But at least it might give you more sleep at night as the bladder will not wake you up when its full.

 

Only 2 years? I had heard that the other type of artificial sphinter (which uses a pump and valve like those penile implants used to treat impotence) is supposed to last for 7-10 years, but then again that requires getting cut open.

 

16 hours ago, Reddy said:

Yes, it will definitely make the TSA experience unavoidable going forward.

There's always PreCheck, which lets you go through a metal detector instead of the scanner.

Plus the urethral plugs I linked earlier - this would be one of those times where they'd be useful.

[I told my doctor about incontinent desires, diapers, and I asked her for help to get surgery.]

On 7/21/2021 at 12:24 AM, Ferix said:

I asked her if it was possible to wear catheters for a long periods of time, like several months or years, that would eventually result in permanent incontinence. Like I have it in for a long time and I pull it out one day and I don't have any control. She said no.

 

Someone in this thread claims to have done exactly that by wearing catheters for six months straight:

https://www.dailydiapers.com/board/index.php?/topic/23593-12-month-diaper-program/

 

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In the meantime, I'm going to slowly work on figuring out how to make a stent out of stainless steel. I have a couple leads on friends who can help teach me but I really need someone with experience who I can ask questions and who can show me what I need to do. If worse comes to worse, I'll try to train myself with YouTube videos.

There are a number of online machine shops where you can upload a 3D model and they'll make the part for you, and at least one offers tube bending:

https://www.xometry.com/capabilities/tube-bending-services/

Though you'd still have to learn to use 3D CAD software.

 

[My experience with stents]

I've been doing some preliminary tests with catheters, and I notice that with the one I used, my sphincter was able to clamp it shut, which obviously wouldn't work for a stent. Does this mean I need the next larger catheter, or a stiffer material?

 

Also, I noticed that in this thread:

Some doctor advised OP to make his stents out of stainless steel. Would an all-metal stent actually work? How would one design one so that it will get in and out but not migrate in either direction? Actually making it shouldn't be a problem - I've found at least one online machine shop that does tube bending:

https://www.xometry.com/capabilities/tube-bending-services/

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

On 2/1/2024 at 5:10 AM, Reddy said:

That looks interesting.  Do you think that would fix the incontinence temporarily?  That might be useful for me at some point when I am incontinent.  It seems a little better than a penis clamp, at least.

Well, that is what it's designed for, and it looks like it should theoretically work. Though I haven't heard anything about how well it works in reality.

[Getting Surgery in Mexico]

Others have mentioned the possibility of Botox to the sphincter - I wonder if that would be easier to pass off as something other than an elective procedure. Say, having some emergency surgery with temporary incontinence as a side effect.

 

On 1/20/2024 at 8:47 PM, superabsorbantpolymer said:

Your dreams are very interesting. Perhaps your sub conscious is not ready for a life of truly no control? There's artificial sphincters and such out there these days. If its absolutely not what you want you can probably "fix" it to some extent. Would be cool to have an artificial sphincter than you can toggle on/off. IDK if that's a thing but hopefully it will be. 

In theory that would be the ideal solution - complete incontinence when you want it, but still being able to hold it in when you have a logical need for it. The main problems I see are the risk of infection (it's quite a bit of stuff stuck in you) and the fact that those things have to be replaced after 7-10 years.

I wonder if something like this would be a reasonable alternative, at least for people who don't need to be out of diapers that often?

https://siliconenozzles.com/collections/urethral-incontinence-plugs-49

[Diapers in Japan]

ABUniverse has a Japanese site, and they can ship to a Kuroneko Yamato office for pickup:

https://en.jp.abuniverse.com/

Also, Amazon Japan carries LittleForBig diapers, and they appear to have something analogous to Amazon Locker (called Amazon Pickup)

I'm also looking into going to Japan, and I have some questions myself:

Is there any possibility that bringing adult onesies and diapers through customs would raise any eyebrows? I've never had anything happen flying domestically, but last time I traveled to a different continent, I got the SSSS boarding pass (secondary screening) - Is there any cause for concern, or am I worrying about nothing?

Elsewhere, I've heard it stated that Japan has relatively few public trash cans - how much of a problem would this actually be, at least assuming that I'm not going to be too far from the tourist-y parts (Tokyo then Nagasaki)?

[Trying to explain to doctors that I want to be incontient is not easy]

On 11/23/2023 at 1:32 AM, Spudnick said:

 I could pay for this out of pocket if it was available.

Actually, it is available if you're willing to travel to Mexico:

Getting Surgery in Mexico

[My experience with stents]

After reading this thread, I'm thinking about making a stent out of a 16fr catheter, and I have some questions:

Instructions mention making holes with a leather hole punch. I have a Dremel with the drill press attachment (including a depth stop) - would that work?

I've seen waxed dental floss and fishing line used for retrieval lines - does either one have any clear advantage over the other? Would the flat plastic dental floss work there?

Some have mentioned retrieving the stent with a crochet hook instead of line, and I'd like to have that as a backup if anything happens to the line. How would one choose the right hook for that, and are there any instructions for pulling it out with the hook?

Thank you.

 

[Nay Sayers]

That was my point - how does one decide what qualifies as an acceptable reason to undergo surgery, and what qualifies as as self-harm warranting psychiatric intervention? I will admit that this feels like something of a gray area.

[Nay Sayers]

On 1/14/2024 at 1:50 AM, DAQ said:

I think by definition SRS renders the body incapable of the job it was designed to do. And definitely the "body's hardware" is changed and no longer serves the function it was "designed" for. Our sole function biologically is to reproduce. If nothing else being an ABDL and having incontinence needs/desires has been a humbling factor in my life. Who am I to judge people on their wants and needs.

 

And then there's sterilization surgery (vasectomy/tubal ligation) - people who get it are altering their body in such a manner that it no longer functions "normally", but in a manner that will help them achieve the lifestyle they want (having an active sex life without unwanted pregnancy). Technically it's reversible, but the process isn't all that reliable as I understand (plus if you look on r/childfree, the current trend for women is having the fallopian tubes removed altogether).

 

On 1/18/2024 at 2:47 AM, Hannah YMS said:

I have BIID/BID. @DAQ does too. Why is it such a struggle for people like us to convince the medical priesthood, and people on the Incontinent-Desires subforum, on what should be allowable, and yet, anyone can just opt for plastic surgery as if there's nothing wrong with it? Have you seen what 100s of plastic surgeries can do to the same person? It's horrifying, and yet is, on some scale, socially encouraged in certain places, such as Los Angeles.

Not to mention if you look into the world of body modification, there are all kinds of things that would be WAY more detrimental to one's job prospects than wearing diapers.

[Trests are seriously out of this world]

Another nice thing about Trest is that a pack of 10 falls within the size limit for Amazon Locker - great when traveling.