Getting Surgery in Mexico

[Rattie]

On 10/28/2025 at 1:15 AM, Reddy said:

I don't have a lot of other updates other than my libido has been really high and I also really want the bowel incontinence still

I have been reading this chronical with quite the excitement. 

I am too dreaming about becoming incontinent, so I am legitimately curious to know: how do you find your new IC situation, nearly 2 years after the procedure? Did it go as expected? And how do feel about your everyday life, seen from the perspective of needing diapers? 

[Reddy]

On 10/28/2025 at 7:17 AM, DaveeBEd said:

Hi Goerge

Where do I start! I've always suffered with mild IBS with the occasional flare up, but was never caught out before in reaching a potty but there would be the odd day where I had to go 4 or 5 times at relatively short notice. 

Now that I'm incontinent in that area, I probably don't have any more days where my IBS flares up, typically one or two each month, but on those days I will have 4 or 5 BMs will literally no notice, they will just explode out filling my diaper and occasionally bursting over the top of my plastic pants. When this happens in public it is super embarrassing, thankfully that is very rare as I usually know on waking if its going to be one of those days.

Airport security can also be a pain as can long train journeys when I have a BM. Even when I don't have an IBS day now I get almost zero notice, but thankfully it usually just oozes out.

Also I get acute stress incontinence if I bend down too quickly or lift up any shopping etc to put in the car, I will have a small BM. I have also soiled the bed on more than one occasion ( a lot worse than leaking on it).

The plus side is in terms of urine incontinence as I now feel I have zero control there is a continual drip that I am unaware of. It's often only when I get up after a long session at my desk or on the sofa watching tv that I become aware of how heavy my diaper is, so I very rarely leak in that department. I occasionally have a leakage at night if I've been too lazy to change before going to bed, usually after having a few drinks, but those occasions are rare.

I personally have no regrets, it was my choice and I had various false starts before genuinely committing to 24/7 but it isn't all upside.

I wish you the very best of luck if you do commit. I personally did not see the point in aiming for incontinence with pee and then pooing in a potty, but it isn't always easy.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this detail, it makes me want bowel incontinence even more.

On 11/12/2025 at 3:24 PM, kincaid said:

@Reddy I already had a TURP done in 2005. But due to huge amounts of scar tissue I needed repeated surgery.

This went on until I was sick of it and switched hospitals but that one , even though it was highly reputed, made things worse.

So I went back to my old one in 2020 told him how messed up I was (blocked, cath'ed etc) and that the other hospital wanted to perform the mitroffanoff procedure on me (they create a bypass of the bladder neck to the belly button by using part of the lower intestines, 66% chance of additional procedures required, in short: hell) and he said I could come one week after the call for surgery.

As a doctor they're conservative so only a small piece of each was removed. The result was wonderful but the peace was not lasting, it was all grown back together 4 months later, so by the end of 2020 I got another surgery, this time a bigger part. Was better but in spring 2021 urine test came back with serious infection, so the bacteria I have been carrying for 15 years was still able to colonize.

Then I asked him to remove every last bit and shave it into a clean tunnel so those nasty little buggers would be flushed out. He liked this idea, even if it would cause complete urinary incontinence instead of the current partial one.

now 4 years later I'm still as leaky as a bucket and have zero regrets. All through official channels, no mexico needed and all paid by health insurance.

The good thing is that I leak in very small amounts , as soon as the kidneys produce something, so it's hard to flood a diaper, unless I'm sitting on a chair, then it's clenched and when I stand up the floodgates are open

The thing is, you gotta know how to tell your story to get things the way you want it, and one day you get it

That's great to hear you ended up totally incontinent.

On 11/13/2025 at 9:08 PM, BrownBobby said:

Ooooh!  Bladder capacity! I have a fun story about this!

Recently, my stricture started making it so I held my pee at night if I was lying down. So cue waking up with a aching bladder, enough where I'm waking up in pain.  I squeeze myself like a toddler and grab a mason jar to measure it, out of curiosity. Feeling like I'm about to burst, I finally relieve myself.

150mL.

After all of this time being made into a dribbler...my bladder has shrunk to a literal toddler's bladder. And this is coming from someone who used to go all day at high school without needing to go. 

I'm honestly in disbelief how much I've lost in two years. It's kind of wild, honestly. But it's a good reminder the bladder's smooth muscle is like any other muscle - use it or lose it. Exercise it, or it atrophies. And the more it does, the harder it is to get back.

So, if magically, I *could* hold it again...I don't want to imagine how often I'd be running off to pee now that I can hold about a half-cup in my bladder.

Well that makes me want to measure... when my bladder feels really full, maybe it's not that full, just tiny now like yours.

On 11/26/2025 at 6:07 PM, superabsorbantpolymer said:

How has the last month been? 

Do you have travel plans over the holidays? How are you managing protection (do you calculate a quota of diapers per day when you pack)?

 

Have you had issues with TSA? I wore a wet incontrol through security recently which triggered three agents patting me down and requesting I change in the private room and then scanning my wet diaper and patting me again. They actually wanted me to remove the diaper entirely but I didn't realize. Apparently even the new dry diaper was too hard for their liking. Eventually they let me go.

Your diaper is always wet. So you must have to deal with some form of that every time you go through a microwave scanner.

 

Have you gone swimming again? Have you experimented with any new forms of incontinence protection like a condom catheter or cloth diaper?

 

How are you feeling overall? Any stories or news to share? 

Yes I always trip up the TSA scanners.  I usually explain discreetly what I think caused the scanner to go off and they do their quick procedure and let me go through.

No recent swimming.

I'm still wanting bowel incontinence.  Nothing else really new.

On 12/1/2025 at 1:01 PM, Rattie said:

I have a burning desire to become truly, and inreversibly, incontinent, and condemn myself to diapers for the rest of my days. I find it exciting to know the option exists, and will definitely check my options, cost, etc, before taking the plunge. I expect it can become very expensive very quick. (I haven't read every entries just yet, but I will do so in the coming weeks.)

I already wear diapers 24/7, and been doing so for 120+ days. Currently by choice, but I dream of doing so out of necessity. I also don't own any "normal" underwear anymore. I cut them all up, and threw the shreds in the bin. That felt weird doing so. 

It's kind of funny I am similar, I don't have any underwear, but I don’t really know when it happened, but I lost track of them, and they are all gone.

On 12/3/2025 at 11:57 AM, hvb22 said:

I have a longer sabbatical coming up in summer 26, so I'm thinking of getting the surgery done by Dr.A and then traveling for a few months. I very much look forward to city travel with a bladder that's always empty when I walk around!

Is anyone else thinking of getting the surgery in August or so? It might be fun to have some emotional support during the recovery phase. Or maybe we can negotiate a volume discount or kickback for Reddy?

Speaking from experience, it's totally awesome being there at the same time as another buddy to get the surgery 😄

On 12/6/2025 at 10:53 AM, Rattie said:

I have been reading this chronical with quite the excitement. 

I am too dreaming about becoming incontinent, so I am legitimately curious to know: how do you find your new IC situation, nearly 2 years after the procedure? Did it go as expected? And how do feel about your everyday life, seen from the perspective of needing diapers? 

I still really, really like being incontinent.  Of course, the missing piece for me is bowel incontinence.  But even if that never happens, yeah, I really love this.

My every day life is pretty normal.

I have to change my diaper frequently, but that's instead of going to the urinal.  Just a different thing I have to do frequently.

Funny enough the biggest thing for me that got disrupted is swimming.  I never thought I swam often, but often enough that I still haven't figured out what to do, and I notice that.

The other thing being the gym and locker rooms.  It's another point of friction where I have to think about the best way to proceed.

Every other part of life, it just doesn't really come up, and doesn't require any adjustment in day to day activity.

So yeah.  I love it.

[Reddy]

Well, it has been a little more than six months since I asked the Mexico clinic whether they still offer the bowel incontinence surgery, and was told that surgeon retired and they have not found a replacement.

I emailed today and asked if they can offer the procedure now, or if Dr. Ivan would even perform it.

I hope to hear back from them tomorrow.

[Rattie]

On 12/8/2025 at 11:32 PM, Reddy said:

I still really, really like being incontinent.  Of course, the missing piece for me is bowel incontinence.  But even if that never happens, yeah, I really love this.

My every day life is pretty normal.

I have to change my diaper frequently, but that's instead of going to the urinal.  Just a different thing I have to do frequently.

Funny enough the biggest thing for me that got disrupted is swimming.  I never thought I swam often, but often enough that I still haven't figured out what to do, and I notice that.

The other thing being the gym and locker rooms.  It's another point of friction where I have to think about the best way to proceed.

Every other part of life, it just doesn't really come up, and doesn't require any adjustment in day to day activity.

So yeah.  I love it.

I am so happy it turned out well, and you still enjoy that new part of life. 
It is also something I seriously consider getting done myself. Preferably sooner than later. There is just that money issue.

Speaking of which, how did you actually afford the surgery, plus travel expenses? I see there is an option for financing this. Did you go for this, or did you actually had the money saved up beforehand?

I am also curious to know what kind of incontinence you have now. Does it happens in burst, or constantly dripping. Maybe both? What can you feel in that regard? Or how does it feel in general?

18 hours ago, Reddy said:

(I) ... was told that surgeon retired and they have not found a replacement.

I emailed today and asked if they can offer the procedure now, or if Dr. Ivan would even perform it.

I hope to hear back from them tomorrow.

I really hope they will continue performing this time type procedure of becoming urinary incontinence, also in the future. If they stop doing it, I would not know where else to turn to 🫢 -- Fingers crossed there is a positive response back.

On 12/8/2025 at 11:32 PM, Reddy said:

Speaking from experience, it's totally awesome being there at the same time as another buddy to get the surgery 😄

I actually thought you went there at slightly different time. It is so cool that you and @BrownBobby went there at the same time. And it sounds like you both had the same amazing end-result.

On 12/3/2025 at 5:57 PM, hvb22 said:

I have a longer sabbatical coming up in summer 26, so I'm thinking of getting the surgery done by Dr.A and then traveling for a few months. I very much look forward to city travel with a bladder that's always empty when I walk around!

Is anyone else thinking of getting the surgery in August or so? It might be fun to have some emotional support during the recovery phase. Or maybe we can negotiate a volume discount or kickback for Reddy?

Yes I am serious considering this. And I would love to talk to you about the hopes and dreams that stems from following both @Reddy and @BrownBobby in their footsteps, and become literally incontinent.

I cannot guarantee I will be able to this as early as summer next year, but I would like to reach out the clinic to see what is possible. Hopefully we will also know if that option even exists, once the clinic returns an answer to Reddy

[Diapered Dave]

57 minutes ago, Rattie said:

I really hope they will continue performing this time type procedure of becoming urinary incontinence, also in the future. If they stop doing it, I would not know where else to turn to 🫢 -- Fingers crossed there is a positive response back.

 

Reddy was talking about the Bowel Incontinence surgery... The doctor who did that surgery retired.

Dr. Ivan does the bladder incontinence surgery. He hasn't retired.

[Reddy]

1 hour ago, Rattie said:

I am so happy it turned out well, and you still enjoy that new part of life. 
It is also something I seriously consider getting done myself. Preferably sooner than later. There is just that money issue.

Speaking of which, how did you actually afford the surgery, plus travel expenses? I see there is an option for financing this. Did you go for this, or did you actually had the money saved up beforehand?

I am also curious to know what kind of incontinence you have now. Does it happens in burst, or constantly dripping. Maybe both? What can you feel in that regard? Or how does it feel in general?

I really hope they will continue performing this time type procedure of becoming urinary incontinence, also in the future. If they stop doing it, I would not know where else to turn to 🫢 -- Fingers crossed there is a positive response back.

I actually thought you went there at slightly different time. It is so cool that you and @BrownBobby went there at the same time. And it sounds like you both had the same amazing end-result.

Yes I am serious considering this. And I would love to talk to you about the hopes and dreams that stems from following both @Reddy and @BrownBobby in their footsteps, and become literally incontinent.

I cannot guarantee I will be able to this as early as summer next year, but I would like to reach out the clinic to see what is possible. Hopefully we will also know if that option even exists, once the clinic returns an answer to Reddy

I don't know how the financing works.  It seems a bit complicated to have them handle it.  Just involving an international border when it comes to transactions is a headache, so when you pay cash, it's nice that the Dr banks in the US, although you do have to pack a stack with you on the plane.

I would more likely advocate taking out a separate personal loan or using available cash than financing with them, but that could be my unfamiliarity with the process leading to prejudgement.

[Reddy]

1 hour ago, Diapered Dave said:

Reddy was talking about the Bowel Incontinence surgery... The doctor who did that surgery retired.

Dr. Ivan does the bladder incontinence surgery. He hasn't retired.

Yes, exactly 👍

[Rattie]

9 hours ago, Diapered Dave said:

Reddy was talking about the Bowel Incontinence surgery... The doctor who did that surgery retired.

Dr. Ivan does the bladder incontinence surgery. He hasn't retired.

Got it! And thanks for clarifying

The more I hear about, the more I am getting myself interested in undergoing the same procedure

Given the opportunity, I would be so happy to chat anyone who has been through this. So far I know of @Reddy and @BrownBobby. 

I am sorry if it feels like I am asking way too many questions. I really just wish to set the expectations. To understand what it is like. And to see if this is really for me. It looks more and more like it is. But so far I mostly living inside a dream. And dreams are free, after all

[BrownBobby]

They are!  But I can say this.  I have *no* regrets being on the other side of it.
Big words, I know. And ones I'll clarify.
I have no regrets NOW.  I was nervous as hell before doing it.  I was terrified - I did it by myself. So much fun being by yourself in a country and going under anesthesia, to go by yourself to a hotel room after.  Doubly so when you wake up and literally can't move your legs (from the nerve block) and wonder if it worked.
Then all the fun afterwards in dealing with the unsurprising side effects and minor complications.
And TRIPLY so with the need for a revision.

But now? Being on the other side of it?  SO, so happy.

It's not for everyone. It's expensive. It's *so* not for everyone. But for the right people, I can't think of anything like it that will have the same effect.

Try everything else first - if only because it's cheaper. But definitely keep it in mind if it's sticking this hard.

[hvb22]

11 hours ago, BrownBobby said:

Try everything else first - if only because it's cheaper. But definitely keep it in mind if it's sticking this hard.

Thank you for your words of encouragement! I think what makes the surgery appealing (and sets it apart from "everything else") is that it's permanent and irreversible. 

Do you mind telling us a little about your experience? 

1. Does your bladder fill up and then suddenly release a large amount, or is there a constant dribble? What causes retention or releases? 

2. What's your sensation? Does your bladder ever feel full? Do you feel urine leaking out, or is ist just your skin feeling wet or diaper filling? Are you aware "I'm peeing now"?

 

[Reddy]

I would agree with BrownBobby's point that people should try everything else first.

I had a great experience.

I'm connected with others who have had the procedure, who have been completely silent and never posted here, but reached out privately.  I've grown very close to someone who had two procedures with Dr. Ivan this year, who I've talked through the entire process.

It has been very difficult, and with problems that I didn't have.  The risks of surgery are very real.

Without divulging detail I would say the risks of stricture are probably understated by the team.

You can become completely blocked and face serious medical emergencies from distended bladder requiring new abdominal catheters long term or permanently.

Many cases don't have such complications, fortunately.

Anyone pursuing must have eyes and ears open to the serious risks.

I would never want to gatekeep someone getting the surgical outcome I had, because it's wonderful.  But you must be warned honestly of real and sometimes unpredictable risks.

[BrownBobby]

On 12/11/2025 at 6:38 AM, hvb22 said:

Thank you for your words of encouragement! I think what makes the surgery appealing (and sets it apart from "everything else") is that it's permanent and irreversible. 

Do you mind telling us a little about your experience? 

1. Does your bladder fill up and then suddenly release a large amount, or is there a constant dribble? What causes retention or releases? 

My bladder filling is a rarity these days. I have a small stricture from the procedure, but it's very manageable by cathing about once a month with a 24fr catheter. If I let it act up further, I start retaining urine - but even then, it's not "control" in the normal sense. Lean back, or stand up, or cough, or just relax the pelvic floor, and whatever is being held back by the stricture comes out. (Not that it's much - it looks like my bladder holds 150mL these days, from a guy who used to go all day at high school holding it...)

The other 95% of the time?  Dribble, dribble, dribble. Maybe a spurt when I get out of bed in the morning and sit up. As I type this, I...well, let's move on to the next question.

2. What's your sensation? Does your bladder ever feel full? Do you feel urine leaking out, or is it just your skin feeling wet or diaper filling? Are you aware "I'm peeing now"?

As I type this, I can feel drips and dribbles running down my scrotum and down through my perineum. Just a constant little dribble. If I'm standing, I can go all day and find myself in a soaked diaper I was completely unaware I was wetting. If I have a full bladder these days, it's an anomaly. (Case in point - when I do find my stomach hurting these days rarely, I have to remember what a full bladder used to feel like, and figure out if it's that.)

[Reddy]

1 hour ago, BrownBobby said:

1. Does your bladder fill up and then suddenly release a large amount, or is there a constant dribble? What causes retention or releases? 

My bladder filling is a rarity these days. I have a small stricture from the procedure, but it's very manageable by cathing about once a month with a 24fr catheter. If I let it act up further, I start retaining urine - but even then, it's not "control" in the normal sense. Lean back, or stand up, or cough, or just relax the pelvic floor, and whatever is being held back by the stricture comes out. (Not that it's much - it looks like my bladder holds 150mL these days, from a guy who used to go all day at high school holding it...)

The other 95% of the time?  Dribble, dribble, dribble. Maybe a spurt when I get out of bed in the morning and sit up. As I type this, I...well, let's move on to the next question.

2. What's your sensation? Does your bladder ever feel full? Do you feel urine leaking out, or is it just your skin feeling wet or diaper filling? Are you aware "I'm peeing now"?

As I type this, I can feel drips and dribbles running down my scrotum and down through my perineum. Just a constant little dribble. If I'm standing, I can go all day and find myself in a soaked diaper I was completely unaware I was wetting. If I have a full bladder these days, it's an anomaly. (Case in point - when I do find my stomach hurting these days rarely, I have to remember what a full bladder used to feel like, and figure out if it's that.)

Kind of inspiring me to cath once a month!  I haven't been doing that but a 24fr is impressive and I should probably keep my system flexible to that level.

[pigletno]

One alternative method for achieving incontinence is to use increasingly larger catheters full time. There is a poster on FL who frequents some of the catheter groups and he will provide a “how-to” guide if you contact him. The idea is to gradually stretch the sphincter over a period of months to largest size cath (30 Fr.). Apparently most people see results at about size 26 and up. Another effect of long-term cathing is atrophy and shrinking of the bladder wall muscle. (That is simplified explanation and probably technically inaccurate but I’ll leave it the experts to elaborate.)

it’s very important not to be overly aggressive when moving up to a larger size cath- the goal is to stretch, not tear the tissues. Tearing will lead to scar tissue and strictures.  
My personal experience experimenting with catheters was many years ago. It requires a commitment to cleanliness and getting used to having it in place and wearing a collection bag. At the time I was in my 20’s and it didn’t suit my lifestyle. I do think about it often and may take it up again. After reading about the likely complications of incontinence surgery (namely strictures), the catheter method seems like a good alternative.

[PeterLupus]

Strictures from urinary sphincterotomy: I would love to hear from those who had their external urinary sphincter resected, specifically whether they have or had any sort of stricture. Thank you.

Edited December 13, 2025 by PeterLupus
Fixing auto-correct errors

[BrownBobby]

7 hours ago, pigletno said:

One alternative method for achieving incontinence is to use increasingly larger catheters full time...

This absolutely works, from what I have observed.  I count it as the "try anything else" part of things.  For me, it wasn't that great of a solution because of the collection bag. If there were any world where draining a long-term cath into diapers was sane and safe, I'd probably have done this instead. If you can do this route, it's wroth trying. Will also give you an idea of the inconvenience part of incontinence.  For me, that inconvenience is the point, but that won't be everyone.

 

3 hours ago, PeterLupus said:

Strictures from urinary sphincterotomy: I would love to hear from those who had their external urinary sphincter resected, specifically whether they have or had any sort of stricture. Thank you.

Strictures are a very common complication from any urethral surgery. For ideal conditions, with doctors minimizing what they do, you can get it down to about 1 in 3.  For the more serious modifications that are being done for full incontinence,  you're probably closer to 1 in 2 (or worse).

My stricture is VERY small - small enough that after urethrotomy (cutting it out), they want me stretching it with caths instead of pursuing more serious solutions. There's urethroplasties (removing the whole section that's scarred) and some promising balloon treatments, so it's far from a huge problem as long as you go to the urologist when you start noticing it. (Lesson learned there - don't wait for it to become a huge problem.)

[Reddy]

32 minutes ago, BrownBobby said:

This absolutely works, from what I have observed.  I count it as the "try anything else" part of things.  For me, it wasn't that great of a solution because of the collection bag. If there were any world where draining a long-term cath into diapers was sane and safe, I'd probably have done this instead. If you can do this route, it's wroth trying. Will also give you an idea of the inconvenience part of incontinence.  For me, that inconvenience is the point, but that won't be everyone.

 

Strictures are a very common complication from any urethral surgery. For ideal conditions, with doctors minimizing what they do, you can get it down to about 1 in 3.  For the more serious modifications that are being done for full incontinence,  you're probably closer to 1 in 2 (or worse).

My stricture is VERY small - small enough that after urethrotomy (cutting it out), they want me stretching it with caths instead of pursuing more serious solutions. There's urethroplasties (removing the whole section that's scarred) and some promising balloon treatments, so it's far from a huge problem as long as you go to the urologist when you start noticing it. (Lesson learned there - don't wait for it to become a huge problem.)

I would add an important caution that "not waiting" won't necessarily help you if you get a stricture.  Notice that BrownBobby indicated his stricture is very small. People should know you can get a huge, long stricture immediately and you will need serious surgical interventions and in some cases, a permanent abdominal catheter.  If someone comes away thinking they can just do all the right things and "not wait" until it becomes a problem, they'd be mistaken.  You can't outsmart a stricture by doing the right thing.  That's exactly why BrownBobby includes warnings and tells you to try everything else first.

On the other hand, I'm heartened to know that I can take actions like this, which I will be doing since BrownBobby inspired me to do the regular stretching.  I'm lucky and will be able to stay out of surgery for my stricture - this will work for me, too.

[Reddy]

(The person I know who had the surgery most recently did ask that I tell other people who are interested how bad it can really get.)

[Goerge]

Thats why I'm going for the natural unpotty training method and just wearing 24/7. I am showing progress this way but it does take commitment. I'm feeling a sense of achievement from this with every little progression I'm making and I'm noticing them now after 4 months wearing 24/7 and wetting/messing at the slightest urge. I personally think if your wanting the surgery you should at least go 24/7 for many months and live as an incontinent person does instead of instant results which can have serious consequences, just the thought I could be stuck with a abdominal catheter for the rest of my life seriously puts me off having this surgery.  Its just too risky.

[BrownBobby]

On 12/13/2025 at 11:31 AM, Reddy said:

I would add an important caution that "not waiting" won't necessarily help you if you get a stricture.  Notice that BrownBobby indicated his stricture is very small. People should know you can get a huge, long stricture immediately and you will need serious surgical interventions and in some cases, a permanent abdominal catheter.  If someone comes away thinking they can just do all the right things and "not wait" until it becomes a problem, they'd be mistaken.  You can't outsmart a stricture by doing the right thing.  That's exactly why BrownBobby includes warnings and tells you to try everything else first.

On the other hand, I'm heartened to know that I can take actions like this, which I will be doing since BrownBobby inspired me to do the regular stretching.  I'm lucky and will be able to stay out of surgery for my stricture - this will work for me, too.

The "not waiting" part has a second part - there is a lot you can do in recovery to help prevent it. (Nothing is guaranteed, and this is a very real risk that can happen).  The less you stress your urethra when recovering, the more you rest and drink fluids like you're supposed to, and the more you make sure the cath doesn't move when recovering, the better your chances.

But I hope this highlights part of this that I see get glossed over ALL THE TIME when talking about it.  If your goal in getting this surgery is because it's hot as heck, then take a huge step back.  Becoming incontinent has risks. Different methods have different risks, and different expected levels of effectiveness.  Use stents? Almost inevitable one will eventually migrate to the bladder. Use catheters? UTIs are almost guaranteed to eventually happen. Surgery? Strictures can form.  And so on and so forth.

So for those looking for a life in diapers - great! I love mine.  But be ready to accept the risks that come with any of the more involved steps to get there.  Hence why I say "try everything else first."

[Rattie]

The risk of a permanent abdominal catheter is definitely enough for me to put this idea on hold, and make me stick to the 12 month plan instead. At least for the foreseeable future.

The idea of using increasingly bigger catheters to try to induced incontinence sounds interesting, and something I would look into.

I did reach out to the clinic, and they are apparently running a "sale". Lack of better description. Where the price is 19.999$ valid January through March 2026. I would comfortably being able to afford it at that price point, but I don't feel like rushing to the finish line, with the information that has been provided lately. 

[Reddy]

5 minutes ago, Rattie said:

The risk of a permanent abdominal catheter is definitely enough for me to put this idea on hold, and make me stick to the 12 month plan instead. At least for the foreseeable future.

The idea of using increasingly bigger catheters to try to induced incontinence sounds interesting, and something I would look into.

I did reach out to the clinic, and they are apparently running a "sale". Lack of better description. Where the price is 19.999$ valid January through March 2026. I would comfortably being able to afford it at that price point, but I don't feel like rushing to the finish line, with the information that has been provided lately. 

Did they just recently get back to you?  I'm still waiting to hear back about the bowel surgery, and it seems like maybe they were behind on emails.

[Rattie]

47 minutes ago, Reddy said:

Did they just recently get back to you?  I'm still waiting to hear back about the bowel surgery, and it seems like maybe they were behind on emails.

I contacted the clinic the 11th (of December) and got a reply roughly 26 hours later. But for some reason I did not see that until today, when I found it under spam. For reference I use protonmail, and perhaps it had been particularly twitchy regarding their email response. While I did make first contact, it was via a web form, so the email system was obvious to this fact, and took it for unwanted mail. LOL. 

I really hope they'll get back to you soon 🤗

[Reddy]

20 minutes ago, Rattie said:

I contacted the clinic the 11th (of December) and got a reply roughly 26 hours later. But for some reason I did not see that until today, when I found it under spam. For reference I use protonmail, and perhaps it had been particularly twitchy regarding their email response. While I did make first contact, it was via a web form, so the email system was obvious to this fact, and took it for unwanted mail. LOL. 

I really hope they'll get back to you soon 🤗

Ah ok, makes sense.

I hope the added information helps you decide about going through with it.  Taking your time and exploring other options is smart.  I was not able to do that... I was too excited about it.  And I will probably be unable to stop myself from the bowel surgery, either.  I don't think I can help it.

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1 hour ago, Reddy said:

Ah ok, makes sense.

I hope the added information helps you decide about going through with it.  Taking your time and exploring other options is smart.  I was not able to do that... I was too excited about it.  And I will probably be unable to stop myself from the bowel surgery, either.  I don't think I can help it.

It has definitely given me a lot to think about. Maybe one day I will follow in your footsteps. I still have a dream of wetting myself uncontrollably, and surgery felt a bit like the "pay to win" option.

I now know there is more than meets the eye. A lot more. For now I will give the thought some rest. Especially while being between jobs with no income. I would of course love to have an honest 1-to-1  chat with you, when/if I decide to take those steps. Or in general, really. I would genuinely love to get to know you better. 

I can absolutely follow your desire of dual incontinence. Not kidding. I really do. I find the idea appealing too. Personally I am way too afraid of the reaction from my surroundings. Wetting myself in public, I think, is much easier to get away with, than soiling yourself 😅