Bladder untraining

[Jackk]

I've read a lot on here about bladder untraining and becoming incontinent. Its not something I'm interested in myself but what confuses me is I'm not sure how its possible. I've tried holding on until I wet myself before but I can hold on for hours. To be fully incontinent you'd have to not know you needed the toilet or know but not be able to make it. I'm just not sure how someone could get to that stage no matter what they did.

[Alex Bridges]

Urination is controlled by muscles, some voluntary and some involuntary. The reason you can hold on so long is because you use those muscles, and they’re very strong. The involuntary ones relax first, telling you it’s time to urinate. Then you use the voluntary ones to let it out when and where you decide.

At least in theory, if you purposefully do not use those muscles, at least the ones you can voluntarily control, they will atrophy, and you’ll lose the ability to use the muscles effectively, and you’ll start to pee as soon as those involuntary muscles contract.

That’s what makes untraining so difficult. We all hold those voluntary muscles in a state of contraction automatically. You have to consciously stop doing that in order for them to atrophy, and you have to maintain that relaxation all the time until they do atrophy. It’s very difficult to do that. Much more a mental exercise than physical one, and that’s why it takes a year, at minimum, to untrain.

The next time you pee, pay attention to all the muscles involved, from your pelvic floor, abdomen, and sphincter. A lot of muscles for a basic function.

[Jackk]

I just find if confusing, what would happen when you were at work for example? 

[Cute_Kitten]

You'd wear a diaper to work and use it and continue to try and get used to keeping your muscles uncontracted. Bladder untraining is training to become incontinent, which means diapers 24/7, everywhere and anywhere. At work, at school, out golfing, at a relative's birthday party, at your highschool reunion, at a funeral, an amusement park, the doctor, the museum, on a bus, etc.

[Andrew51]

If I’m home alone, say for a weekend, it diaper on and the toilet is out of bounds! Diaper gets used for EVERYTHING, until Sunday afternoon when I have to clean up before everyone gets back home, making sure I don’t leave anything visible, take out inside rubbish and a quick spray of air freshener.(nothing happen here)[emoji12]


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[DaveeBEd]

10 hours ago, Jackk said:

I just find if confusing, what would happen when you were at work for example? 

Yes a diaper has to be worn at work and in bed, the only time I'm not diapers now is when I have a shower. I even wear one to the doctor who recently asked me to go for some prostate tests as she was concerned. She would now like me to see a specialist to see what else could be the cause. I obviously havem't told her I'm deliberately untraining and when the specialist's appointment date arrives I will cancel it.

For some of us for various reasons the desire to lose control of our urinary and in some cases even bowel function is an incredibly strong attraction that we can't resist. Most people on here who have succeeded in making themselves incontinent have had various attempts at achieving their goal in the past and given up for various reasons but the pull of incontinence doesn't leave you if its what you really want and although I have not achieved my aim yet, after almost 10 months of being constantly diapered I doubt I could now get by without wearing one. I pee very regularly and have a greatly reduced bladder capacity. There are time when I realise I've wet my diaper without knowing exactly when it happened so the chances of me having enough warning to get to the toilet in time without being diapered would be slim.

[Andrew51]

Yes a diaper has to be worn at work and in bed, the only time I'm not diapers now is when I have a shower. I even wear one to the doctor who recently asked me to go for some prostate tests as she was concerned. She would now like me to see a specialist to see what else could be the cause. I obviously havem't told her I'm deliberately untraining and when the specialist's appointment date arrives I will cancel it.
For some of us for various reasons the desire to lose control of our urinary and in some cases even bowel function is an incredibly strong attraction that we can't resist. Most people on here who have succeeded in making themselves incontinent have had various attempts at achieving their goal in the past and given up for various reasons but the pull of incontinence doesn't leave you if its what you really want and although I have not achieved my aim yet, after almost 10 months of being constantly diapered I doubt I could now get by without wearing one. I pee very regularly and have a greatly reduced bladder capacity. There are time when I realise I've wet my diaper without knowing exactly when it happened so the chances of me having enough warning to get to the toilet in time without being diapered would be slim.

I’ve had all the tests, specialist said I have an overactive small bladder, which confirms I have trouble holding on to my wee, hence I wear adult pull-ups.


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[scif788]

If I’m home alone, say for a weekend, it diaper on and the toilet is out of bounds! Diaper gets used for EVERYTHING, until Sunday afternoon when I have to clean up before everyone gets back home, making sure I don’t leave anything visible, take out inside rubbish and a quick spray of air freshener.(nothing happen here)[emoji12]


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Nice so you poop your diapers too then for a long weekend


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[DiaperboyEddie12]

8 hours ago, DaveeBEd said:

Yes a diaper has to be worn at work and in bed, the only time I'm not diapers now is when I have a shower. I even wear one to the doctor who recently asked me to go for some prostate tests as she was concerned. She would now like me to see a specialist to see what else could be the cause. I obviously havem't told her I'm deliberately untraining and when the specialist's appointment date arrives I will cancel it.

For some of us for various reasons the desire to lose control of our urinary and in some cases even bowel function is an incredibly strong attraction that we can't resist. Most people on here who have succeeded in making themselves incontinent have had various attempts at achieving their goal in the past and given up for various reasons but the pull of incontinence doesn't leave you if its what you really want and although I have not achieved my aim yet, after almost 10 months of being constantly diapered I doubt I could now get by without wearing one. I pee very regularly and have a greatly reduced bladder capacity. There are time when I realise I've wet my diaper without knowing exactly when it happened so the chances of me having enough warning to get to the toilet in time without being diapered would be slim.

I would love to know what the Dr said after you told her your purposely un-potty training yourself.

[DaveeBEd]

15 hours ago, DiaperboyEddie12 said:

I would love to know what the Dr said after you told her your purposely un-potty training yourself.

Sorry you misunderstood my post I didn't tell her that I said I was having trouble holding it in hence the diaper!

[DiaperboyEddie12]

On 7/8/2019 at 4:00 AM, DaveeBEd said:

I obviously haven't told her I'm deliberately untraining.

HI DaveeBEd I think I am still confused.  Which is a common thing with me.  My original comment I quoted you on was about this above.  What I meant is I would like to know when you do tell her if you ever do tell her that you are purposely Un-Potty Training yourself.  What her thoughts were and maybe what she said.

[oznl]

On 7/8/2019 at 7:09 AM, Jackk said:

I just find if confusing, what would happen when you were at work for example? 

Well speaking about myself personally, my diaper gets wet across the course of the day and around 4pm, I need to sneak off somewhere to change it.   24/7 means just that.   You will be diapered at work. The good news is that if you are relaxed most of the time, you tend to pee frequently but very small amounts (a dribble every few minutes) and you get pretty good mileage out of disposable diapers that way.  Also good news: within reason, nobody notices, nobody cares.

4 hours ago, DiaperboyEddie12 said:

HI DaveeBEd I think I am still confused.  Which is a common thing with me.  My original comment I quoted you on was about this above.  What I meant is I would like to know when you do tell her if you ever do tell her that you are purposely Un-Potty Training yourself.  What her thoughts were and maybe what she said.

That's an interesting question and I don't know myself what I will do if I let things get to that point so this is a "me too" post I guess :-)  Right now, I reckon I can stay out of a nappy long enough for a basic medical appointment.  I wouldn't want to waste a lot of medical resource and money on a "problem" that I'd have no interest in fixing but also, I don't really want to go down the rather strange rabbit hole of explaining how I'd gotten myself to that point in the first place!

Right now, this is a future problem for future Oznl and I may not even get there...

[DaveeBEd]

20 hours ago, oznl said:

Well speaking about myself personally, my diaper gets wet across the course of the day and around 4pm, I need to sneak off somewhere to change it.   24/7 means just that.   You will be diapered at work. The good news is that if you are relaxed most of the time, you tend to pee frequently but very small amounts (a dribble every few minutes) and you get pretty good mileage out of disposable diapers that way.  Also good news: within reason, nobody notices, nobody cares.

That's an interesting question and I don't know myself what I will do if I let things get to that point so this is a "me too" post I guess :-)  Right now, I reckon I can stay out of a nappy long enough for a basic medical appointment.  I wouldn't want to waste a lot of medical resource and money on a "problem" that I'd have no interest in fixing but also, I don't really want to go down the rather strange rabbit hole of explaining how I'd gotten myself to that point in the first place!

Right now, this is a future problem for future Oznl and I may not even get there...

I handled it by simply saying I found myself having to go more regularly and was having difficulty holding it in hence her initial reaction that it was a prostate issue. I can't imagine telling her I was deliberately trying to lose control!

[Stroller]

20 hours ago, oznl said:

That's an interesting question and I don't know myself what I will do if I let things get to that point so this is a "me too" post I guess :-)  Right now, I reckon I can stay out of a nappy long enough for a basic medical appointment.  I wouldn't want to waste a lot of medical resource and money on a "problem" that I'd have no interest in fixing but also, I don't really want to go down the rather strange rabbit hole of explaining how I'd gotten myself to that point in the first place!

Right now, this is a future problem for future Oznl and I may not even get there...

That's been on my mind too, just the same.  At the moment I don't actually know whether I'd be OK out of a nappy or not, as I haven't tried to stop myself from wetting for the best part of a year.  When the urge comes, I wet.  I can only get away with not wearing at night because the urge doesn't come when I'm asleep or just after I've woken up, and I head for the bathroom every time I wake.  I think I'd probably be OK not wearing for a trip to the doctor, but I'd hate to be wrong.  I have been to the doctor once in a nappy, but that wasn't for anything that needed a physical examination.  Next time, I think I'm going to have to own up to having a long-term incontinence problem that I've been dealing with myself.  That will be a bit of a pain, as I'll probably end up being referred to a specialist for tests I don't want, and being offered drugs and/or surgery options that I don't want either.  I don't see it as a major problem though, just something I'll have to deal with.

[iluvmydiapers]

1 hour ago, Stroller said:

That's been on my mind too, just the same.  At the moment I don't actually know whether I'd be OK out of a nappy or not, as I haven't tried to stop myself from wetting for the best part of a year.  When the urge comes, I wet.  I can only get away with not wearing at night because the urge doesn't come when I'm asleep or just after I've woken up, and I head for the bathroom every time I wake.  I think I'd probably be OK not wearing for a trip to the doctor, but I'd hate to be wrong.  I have been to the doctor once in a nappy, but that wasn't for anything that needed a physical examination.  Next time, I think I'm going to have to own up to having a long-term incontinence problem that I've been dealing with myself.  That will be a bit of a pain, as I'll probably end up being referred to a specialist for tests I don't want, and being offered drugs and/or surgery options that I don't want either.  I don't see it as a major problem though, just something I'll have to deal with.

This happened to me when I first needed to wear diapers after my spinal injury, was sent to see all sorts of specialists , given pills that had worst side effects than the problem.  After all tests were done the results came back as nerve damage and offers of surgery to try and fix the problem. 

I told the doctors I was managing the problem with diapers and would rather wear diapers the rest of my life than have surgery. 

That was back in 1987/88, I’ve been in diapers since. 

[Stroller]

1 hour ago, iluvmydiapers said:

This happened to me when I first needed to wear diapers after my spinal injury

If I'd had a spinal injury that would make this a bit simpler. I'm very glad I haven't though.  I fully realise that compared with a lot of people on the forum I've got a choice here, but that many of us don't.

 

[iluvmydiapers]

10 hours ago, Stroller said:

If I'd had a spinal injury that would make this a bit simpler. I'm very glad I haven't though.  I fully realise that compared with a lot of people on the forum I've got a choice here, but that many of us don't.

 

I had a choice, a surgery that may have fixed the problem or made it worst. 

I chose not to have the surgery, and just wear diapers which did nothing to improve my condition, but at that time in my life all I wanted was the medical prof to need to wear diapers.