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Obviously this is for all our EU members!

I did something I didn't expect I would have to do today and voted (postal vote) in the 2019 Euro Elections. After the referendum in 2016 I had assumed that I wouldn't be here doing this but here I am!

I am strongly pro-Europe for a lot of reasons and always have been. If there is a second referendum I would vote "Remain", if we leave and an opportunity to get out of the country came up I would grab it with both hands.

I've always voted Labour but today I voted Liberal Democrat. I can't vote for the alt-right fascists on the right and I would never vote Tory. Labour is my home usually and I agree with a lot of their policies but on Europe they have been abysmal since 2016. They've been almost as bad as the Conservatives in regard to the Brexit farce and I cannot support the fence sitting. I'm happy to vote for the pro-Remain Liberal Democrats who are centrist, open and tolerant.

What about everyone else? Who are you voting for/Who did you vote for? Since we are all over Europe and have lots of different parties try to say what the party you voted for believe in or do.

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I've been meaning to look into the EU elections and finally did after I saw this topic. I found my candidate from the Finnish Green Party. They share much of the same values as I do. According to life expectancy I have some 62 years left to live, so it would be sweet to keep the planet habitable in the future.

The Green Party is pro-Europe, too. I don't want to see the European countries running backward into nationalism after the trend has been so positive for decades. We live on the same continent, so to make an actual difference we need to work together instead of everyone doing their own thing. From economic aspect, small European countries would be in for quite a hard ride, if they had to face US, China and other major economies in the global market alone.

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I have always been against the eu since i voted to leave the then was the common market in 1974. Then i was 18 or 19,they said all it was was for trade and trade only we were lied too, it be came the eu with a political agenda taking power away from  the British parliament  and British mp's and making our own laws. I am in favor of us leaving under WTO rules with article 24 (GATT) under WTO rules, witch gives us 2 years tariff free witch i think will give use time to refine better negotiations.

Outside the eu the trade is moving faster than inside the eu ,there is a big world out there that is eager o trade with us if we stay in the eu we cannot trade with anyone without eu say so. There's a lot i could say and would be long. We can still trade with the eu but not as a member, small letters i dont use capitals eu that's on purpose.

so my vote will most definitely will be for the BREXIT PARTY.

 

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5 minutes ago, Rachel1 said:

I have always been against the eu since i voted to leave the then was the common market in 1974. Then i was 18 or 19,they said all it was was for trade and trade only we were lied too, it be came the eu with a political agenda taking power away from  the British parliament  and British mp's and making our own laws. I am in favor of us leaving under WTO rules with article 24 (GATT) under WTO rules, witch gives us 2 years tariff free witch i think will give use time to refine better negotiations.

Outside the eu the trade is moving faster than inside the eu ,there is a big world out there that is eager o trade with us if we stay in the eu we cannot trade with anyone without eu say so. There's a lot i could say and would be long. We can still trade with the eu but not as a member, small letters i dont use capitals eu that's on purpose.

so my vote will most definitely will be for the BREXIT PARTY.

 

How would you respond to the suggestion that we already have trade deals with all these countries and that by leaving the EU we will have to renegotiate all of them from a m,uch worse position. There is already a lot of noise that the NHS will be up for privatisation for any deal to happen with the USA. I think the idea that the world is eager to trade with us is not really based on reality... If they were we would have signed more post-Brexit deals than we currently have, surely? What seems more likely is countries around the world are licking their lips and looking forwards to getting their hands on us. We will be negotiating from a position of desperation and weakness.

Also I would ask if when you voted leave in 2016 did you do so under the assumption that "No Deal" would follow? I ask because prior to the referendum there didn't seem to be any talk of that happening. Nor has there been much said at the true costs of it... Not even Mr. Farage is clear on what WTO Brexit means, in fact he isn't really clear on anything at all.

The big problem I have with the Brexit Party is that their leader is basically a dictator and they have absolutely no manifesto. That's really scary, especially when combined with their right wing views. I honestly believe that if they got into any kind of power it would be the beginning of the end of democracy in our country, the breakdown of the welfare net and also the Union.

Populism is a real blight on modern day politics and it makes me sad that the UK is succumbing to it.

PS. You should use capital letters for EU, disagreement doesn't mean rules of grammar don't apply :P

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Much like Elfy I'm a dyed in the wool socialist but I'll be voting for the Lib Dems for this election, and if there was a general election I honestly don't know who I'd vote for.  

As for the EU, I'll never understand people who want to leave it. The EU has literally held together the British environmental and charitable sector for the past 30 years at least, all the regional development money that's helped rebuild basically anywhere not London has come from the Eu, the food banks that are feeding us during this awful blight of austerity, started by Eu funding, women's shelters, museums, community centres, libraries, if it's charitable or council funded then the EU paid for it. Our taxes don't come close to touching these things especially out in the sticks and I know this first hand. Our scientific institutions are directly linked across Europe, we have some of the best centres in astronomy, aeroscience and the European space agency are here, and they're not gonna stay and the scientists most certainly aren't going to stay and start from scratch. 

The UK has gotten far more out of the EU than it ever put in, and the idea that the EU is broken because we don't value our MEPs or want to play ball with them is frankly pig-headness. We are not the empire anymore, we are a small country that doesn't even have enough room to feed itself. People need to realise that, on the international stage we are not important, and haven't been for a very long time. In the EU we can be apart of something bigger that is genuinely trying to be a force for good, improving the human rights situation in many countries, lifting up the poor, rebuilding communities. Yes it's bureaucratic and slow but you can't force change from without.

Sovereignty is just a byword for arrogance, we will never help make the world a better place looking inward patting ourselves on the back for past glories that anyone with sense realises where atrocities dressed up in tinsel and ceremony. F*ck sovereignty and f*ck nationalism, people need to grow up and look beyond their own sense of ego.

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I'm an outsider looking in, so I will only provide observations and limited polite opinions. The citizens of the UK are the only voices that matter... what the French or German or the rest of the world think has no weight on it. My voice doesn't matter either.

What I've seen is that it is a question of self determination/financial interests that fuels Brexit. Not being beholden to other countries to make decisions for the UK. I see much of the opposition due to being afraid of uncertainty. The UK never adopted the Euro for a reason. I wonder if they already knew decades ago that the experiment would fail.

I think that the main issue is that the pro-Brexit appear to feel that the UK is also being asked to pick up the slack for the financial irresponsibility of lesser nations. That they have a burden to benefits ratio that is tilted heavily out of favor.

I wonder if the conservative alt rights are the ones who pay all the Bill's? Kind of like how 79% of California's income tax revenues comes from a little less than 10% of their population. It would certainly explain their aversion to paying for financial flustercuck's like Greece. 

It doesn't surprise me that they've put as many conservative alt right ideologies into a single movement. They need their entire base to show up and vote.

It is also worth noting that the EU would slowly decay if the UK actually breaks free. Several other nations would likely shortly follow suit as financial burdens increase. So the EU has no option but to be as hardcore "make it hurt" in their failing negotiations to dissuade attrition. 

One thing I have learned in years of owning and running successful businesses and a charitable non-profit... NEVER negotiate based on your fears. You will only lose with that mindset. No matter the outcome, I genuinely wish the UK the very best outcome possible.

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On 5/13/2019 at 2:05 PM, Elfy said:

Obviously this is for all our EU members!

I did something I didn't expect I would have to do today and voted (postal vote) in the 2019 Euro Elections. After the referendum in 2016 I had assumed that I wouldn't be here doing this but here I am!

I am strongly pro-Europe for a lot of reasons and always have been. If there is a second referendum I would vote "Remain", if we leave and an opportunity to get out of the country came up I would grab it with both hands.

I've always voted Labour but today I voted Liberal Democrat. I can't vote for the alt-right fascists on the right and I would never vote Tory. Labour is my home usually and I agree with a lot of their policies but on Europe they have been abysmal since 2016. They've been almost as bad as the Conservatives in regard to the Brexit farce and I cannot support the fence sitting. I'm happy to vote for the pro-Remain Liberal Democrats who are centrist, open and tolerant.

What about everyone else? Who are you voting for/Who did you vote for? Since we are all over Europe and have lots of different parties try to say what the party you voted for believe in or do.

 

 

You must be very pleased by the outcome of the negotiations, today.

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25 minutes ago, Wet Knight said:

 

 

You must be very pleased by the outcome of the negotiations, today.

Nope, it's pretty disasterous to cut off barrier free trade and full access to some of the greatest systems and institutions in the world. The deal avoids no deal but little else of benefit. It's greatly harming compared to remaining a member of the EU tbh.

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