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Anal dilatation was the primary treatment for haemorrhoids after the introduction of the now-infamous Lord's procedure, the concept was the forceful dilation would loosen the sphincter  muscle  and increase blood flow to the anoderm. It is now well documented that this procedure is frequently associated with compromised continence.

There is lots of information on google books that habitually stretching your rectal muscle with dilators the tone of the anal and rectal muscles and other tissues are destroyed and these become permanently stretched. Starting with a small dilator and gradually using larger and larger ones a time comes when an ordinary drinking glass may be inserted into the rectum. The anal sphincter is no longer able to close the rectum and all voluntary control of bowel action is lost and the victim of the cure is forced to wear a diaper. This results in damage to both the internal and external sphincter resulting in passive incontinence where the person in unaware of soiling.

I think this is proof that wearing the Meo 24/7 buttplug and increasing the size from extra small to the extra large and wearing constantly for some months with compromise sphincter competence resulting in  anal sphincter unable to close and severe fecal incontinence.

I think is this interesting. What are your thoughts on anal stretching using increasing sizes of buttplugs. Can they cause incontinence?

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Any form of body modification or self-injury should be carefully thought over, contemplated, then contemplated some more.  Collateral damage and unintended consequences can easily happen, and not all of it is repairable. Give it a good, long, and hard thought before rolling those dice. 

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I don't use a MEO plug, I use other methods of stretching, and have had some success!

I'm still able to hold it if I try really really hard though.

I do at times find myself running to the bathroom as the stool starts leaking out. :)

It depends on volume, gas and how soft it is.

Sometimes I don't make it at all.?

Luckily my bowel is well trained to work in the morning before I have to go anywhere.

 

 

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Anal stretching won't cause incontinence same way wearing foley catheters won't cause incontinence. You could possibly diminish your abilities to hinder evacuation by causing fibrosis from repeated injuries, creating a sort of urgency, but not outright incontinence. 

I'm currently wearing a hollow butt plug after taking 2 tablets of a laxative. Every diaper change so far has been contaminated so to speak and when I went shopping i accidentally farted in front of people and had to excuse myself. I would say that this is quicker method of achieving incontinence :P

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The original Lord's procedure used anesthesia (red flags if you can't feel when it's too much!), was done quickly, and is not standardized (i.e. some practitioners may dilate excessively).  There are studies that point out the flaws of the original procedure and show that conservative stretching is not likely to cause incontinence.  Wearing a large plug long term would logically cause the sphincter to adapt/atrophy and result in some degree of incontinence, but occasional gentle use is unlikely to and, as Dr. Lord found, may relieve hemorrhoids and fissures.   This has been discussed earlier in this forum.

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Anal dialation can cause bowel incontinence, but not on its own. Bowel continence is primarily dependant on diet

  1. The more processed foods we consume, the more constipated we become = anal leakage
  2. The more pureed natural food we consume added to increased fluid intake, the less ability the anal sphincter can hold back the flow

Anal dialation can stretch the sphincter making it less capable of holding back the flow.

The anal canal consists of two sphincters, internal and external, one inside the other, one under contious control, one under subcontious control. Sealing is achieved similar to a non-inflated new balloon neck. If we insert a straw into a balloon, we can inflate the balloon slowly. During this time, there will be no air leakage until the balloon gets to a level where the balloon needs to expand. Subcontiously,  when this happens within the bowels, the internal anal sphincter closes. Contiously, the external sphincter closes also, but as the pressure increases, the internal anal sphincter relaxes.

With a stretched sphincters, it can reduce the sealing effect of the internal anal sphincter with little to no pressure. As a result, there will be anal lekage before the pressure starts to rise as more poop is placed into the bowels.

Yes, I am aware that some people experienced with anal play, have stretched their butt with little to no side effect. Done right, one could stretch ones butt large enough to fit ones head in same... with zero anal leakage... but done wrong, permanant dammage can easily be achieved.

Please people, before playing, research the subject. Get the information at first and protect yourself.   

 

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The sphincter is a muscle. Like any it can be stretched and if properly done so with appropriate warm-up can be done so without injury. The reference to force in the OP is key. If you force it open as opposed to gradually stretching, you risk injury and therefore damage. Many kinksters train their bottoms to accept plugs dildos, fists etc and then after play (sometimes minutes, but can be hours, or a day at the outside) and cleanup it shrinks back down to normal and seals just fine. 

From experience, yes using plugs does fix mild hemorrhoids, I think by stretching out the muscle fibres and allowing trapped vessels to pop back in, and then settle back in place in a controlled fashion as you remove the plug. A hot washer helps. I think it happens in the first place by pressure forcing blood vessels out between the muscles then trapping blood there which can't release so you get a small distended bit of vessel sticking out which is really sore and irritated. 

People who play and like pain, or do so affected by drugs so they do not heed their body or deliberately damage themselves, can end up incontinent and may require surgery to repair things so their sphincter seals again. In particular it's not uncommon for gay males using ice and poppers to do extreme anal play to experience this. 

Anal training involves warmup and dilation but in a sustainable fashion not intending to injure or impede function. As babykeiff says, dilation on its own won't cause incontinence.  But repeated injury will. 

You can use plugs and toys and not risk affecting anal function if you do it properly. Likewise you can  use other methods to achieve bladder and bowel continence but it is sage advice to be careful what you wish for. Life is a long time. Consider your future self and circumstances, not just the next while or your current fetish drives. (Are you listening, self? lol) 

xx NC

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The sphincter is a muscle. Like any it can be stretched and if properly done so with appropriate warm-up can be done so without injury. The reference to force in the OP is key. If you force it open as opposed to gradually stretching, you risk injury and therefore damage. Many kinksters train their bottoms to accept plugs dildos, fists etc and then after play (sometimes minutes, but can be hours, or a day at the outside) and cleanup it shrinks back down to normal and seals just fine. 
From experience, yes using plugs does fix mild hemorrhoids, I think by stretching out the muscle fibres and allowing trapped vessels to pop back in, and then settle back in place in a controlled fashion as you remove the plug. A hot washer helps. I think it happens in the first place by pressure forcing blood vessels out between the muscles then trapping blood there which can't release so you get a small distended bit of vessel sticking out which is really sore and irritated. 
People who play and like pain, or do so affected by drugs so they do not heed their body or deliberately damage themselves, can end up incontinent and may require surgery to repair things so their sphincter seals again. In particular it's not uncommon for gay males using ice and poppers to do extreme anal play to experience this. 
Anal training involves warmup and dilation but in a sustainable fashion not intending to injure or impede function. As babykeiff says, dilation on its own won't cause incontinence.  But repeated injury will. 
You can use plugs and toys and not risk affecting anal function if you do it properly. Likewise you can  use other methods to achieve bladder and bowel continence but it is sage advice to be careful what you wish for. Life is a long time. Consider your future self and circumstances, not just the next while or your current fetish drives. (Are you listening, self? lol) 
xx NC

I’m gay and use a butt plug medium sized if I use it every day it would make my spinster muscles to start open


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Well, I am not sure what you mean by 'start to open'. It will make it easier to warm up and increase your dilated size slowly as you use it more, and then gradually increase the size plug you are using. Just take it slow and stop if it is too sore. It may hurt a little but use enough lube and go easy. You'll be fine. Oh and make sure you clean yourself out beforehand. Afterwards I find a hot washer helps to ease things and clean up. Hope that helps ?  

 

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Well, I am not sure what you mean by 'start to open'. It will make it easier to warm up and increase your dilated size slowly as you use it more, and then gradually increase the size plug you are using. Just take it slow and stop if it is too sore. It may hurt a little but use enough lube and go easy. You'll be fine. Oh and make sure you clean yourself out beforehand. Afterwards I find a hot washer helps to ease things and clean up. Hope that helps [emoji846]  
 

I use a medium butt plug and had bladder spasms because of my Foley catheter and once the bladder spasms started it relaxed my spinster muscles in the but and the butt plug popped right in. Is that normal to happen ?


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Following this thread with interest.
I've not encountered  the notion anal stretching procedures can help relieve problems with hemorrhoids before.

I have an intermittent problem with hemorrhoids which sometimes bleed quite a lot when I poo. 
After attempts to treat them with prescribed off the shelf creams, following a visit to my GP, resulted in a major soreness & inflammation I was referred to a specialist dept of a local hospital.
They tried to treat my condition with a banding procedure which only made the problem worse again.
I was then told by a consultant the next treatment in line involved a surgical procedure which was 'very invasive' with no guarantee of success.& he recommended me to go away & try to manage the situation the best I could & only come back if it got even worse.
Not sure if this was given as sound advice or because the dept was overworked & under resourced so liked to get rid of people with 'annoying trivial problems' like mine, & perhaps understandably prioritise the diagnosis & treatment of cancers.
But that's where I am today.

I'm arguably anally repressed & find stimulation of this area arousing.
But any desires to experience anal play /sex on my part are tempered by the fear its going to hurt a lot during & after resulting in a lot of bleeding 
When I was young there were  lots of lads stories circulating about gays sex causing the participants to become anally incontinent & having to wear tampons or diapers but mostly this type of talk seems to be dismissed these days as an old wives tale & the product homophobia.
However,  I've heard it claimed any area of the body which is repeatedly damaged runs a higher risk of malignant tumours developing.  

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You can lose bowl control by stretching your spinster muscles. Large butt plugs blow up butt plugs will stretch out you spinster muscle making your spinster muscle to lose muscle tone. Till the point you pop when ever you have a earge to go. 

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You can lose bowl control by stretching your spinster muscles. Large butt plugs blow up butt plugs will stretch out you spinster muscle making your spinster muscle to lose muscle tone. Till the point you pop when ever you have a earge to go. 

I know guys are bottoms that have lose control on there little bottoms from there sexual activity


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I have been fighting hemorrhoids for 30 years, I had the surgery it was a horrible 6 weeks, very very painful ,,, and now yrs later they are back,, I had the banding about 5 yrs ago, it lasted about a yr. I have done daily enema since then, for my chronic constipation. I have been experimenting for about 3 mos with the glass but plugs and some of the play toys all glass, I do like the stimulation of inserting things in. I have been married 25 yrs, and about 10 yrs ago or so, my wife stoped being able to have sex, because of a hormonal cancer. So that being said, I do it on my own, I do a lot of by myself pleasures and love having something in my butt, when I am playing. It just sends me into much better ending. But when I am holding my soap water I put a glass toy in. and sometimes play a hypnotic mp3. Its really great and makes my boring enema much more pleasurable , By holding the toy in for a good 20 min, it stretches it to help squash my hemorrhoids. I know its only a temporary fix. But it beats the shit out of surgery. I have also used the butt plugs for several hours before on several occasions to see if it helps, and I am not sure if its any better than just using the toy while holding my water in. 

Well this is jut my experiences hope it helps someone.

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Would the procedure/surgery for Anal dilatation be easy to do... Stay if a person went to Turkey or Mexico and told a doctor you want the Anal dilatation surgery. You've suffered from severe haemorrhoids in the past and you don't want to go through the experiences again,  you want the  Lord's procedure and don't be afraid to tear the anal muscles. I don't mind if I end up bowel incontinent... Say I offer the doctor £12.000.....

I would think that would be an easier surgery than being made Urinary incontinent?

I would think having a Lords procedure would be very easy to do?

I really like the thought of this... I like the thought of having passive bowel incontinence. I think if I have to wear nappies because I'm totally bowel incontinence that'll then force me to lose control of my bladder.

Although I'm not going to purposely harm myself... I just like the idea.

 

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