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Hi all! I started a journal in the blog section but since it seems more people read posts here so I'm gonna just post here from now on. I posted this the other day:

 

Last Tuesday on 8/14 I had jury duty and I decided to take a huge risk and do something that I have never ever done in my life. I went diapered. I put on an ABU Simple under my jeans with a long T-Shirt. Most of the time in public I wear a onsie under my shirts as well so I can wet to capacity and the onsie will help keep the diaper from sagging as much as possible. I decided against wearing the onsie though because it was hot out and I didn't know what the conditions were going to be. After I got there though I regretted not bringing a change with me and leaving it in the car if I needed to change on a break. I didn't realize I may be stuck there until 5:00pm. I am starting to practice at home changing in my bathroom standing up because I am going to start wearing a lot more than I ever did and my next daring adventure is going to be changing myself in a public bathroom. I moved into a new area 30 minutes away from where I grew up so the chances of me running into people I know at the Walmart I go to are very slim to none. 

Anyway, after I was there for about 30 minutes they called us in from the coffee area and we got a little briefing. I ended up sitting next to a very cute girl who I would have loved to change if she were into this. After the briefing I went to get another coffee and wet my diaper as I did so. It was my first wetting so I was confident it would not leak. I am really surprised that I have reached this "not caring" mode. After my divorce I swore I was just going to be happy from now on and I am really loving my diapers more than ever.

As the morning went on they start picking jurors. I work in news so I always assume they don't want me because of my occupation. They were not calling my name but as we were sitting there, I was letting spurts go in my diaper making it wetter as I was sitting. The coffee was kicking in. After being there for 2 hours they called out more names and I was one. They let our group go. YES!! I really had to pee now and as I was walking through the parking lot I stopped and peed while I was looking at my phone. Guys, I leaked a lot down the front of my pants and if anyone saw me they would know that I was wetting myself. I did not fucking care and I even went into Home Depot with my damp pants wet in the front but not the back. Here's the thing though, because I had on a diaper the wet pattern was a bit different than if I just wet my pants. Plus my T-shirt was over my crotch so it may have looked like I just spilled coffee. I even had a woman helping me at Home Depot. No one noticed. It was awesome and my diaper was really swelled. 

 

When I got home I kept my ABU simple on and kept wetting it to see how much it would hold. It wasn't leaking anymore so I'm not sure why it did on my second wetting. I was working in my shed and had to poop so I just went as I kept working. When my diaper was at full capacity after about another hour I went and cleaned myself up with some Northshore wipes and changed myself standing up so I could start practicing.  It went well so I am now going to start making sure I have a diaper bag with supplies at all times and include an emergency change of cloths. Why not? I live alone and I'm single. I am not going to get involved with anyone ever again unless they are either an AB/DL themselves or at least totally fine with me wearing and using my diapers. I put on a Better Dry diaper and wore it the rest of the evening until bed. Before bed though I went to the General Dollar on my motorcycle and yes, I was wet. I wear those to capacity too. 

I love my new diapered life more than ever!!!

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Kind of both on and off the subject.  I've been called for jury duty several times and actually served on a jury twice, once for armed robbery and once for a drunk driving case.  The last time was a year ago and when I returned my questioner I stated I would have no problem serving as a juror however I do help care for my 97 year old dad.  There were 90 potential jurors for this pool and they went through most of them, me being in the last 5 left before they settled on a jury.  I think sometimes a judge does have a heart with special requests and put me down at the bottom of the list.

I have thought about being there for jury duty as a perfect chance to wear a diaper, however I did not for some of the very reasons diaperedrider stated.  First, chances are you won't know your fellow jurists but you never know.  The first jury I was on had a woman who used to shop regularly at the store I worked in.  I didn't know her per sey, but it was close enough.  I could have passed it off if I wore a diaper and was discovered by someone on the jury, but it's doubtful anyone who might have noticed would even say anything out of politeness, especially someone they don't really know except for being on the same jury.  While I am not incontinent and have no problems holding my pee until a break, wearing a diaper might tempt me to use it if I needed to and that might cause me to either leak, keep wearing a wet diaper the rest of the day, or remove it and not be able to shower or properly clean myself causing urine smell and discomfort for the rest of the day.  While the idea is appealing in a way, I doubt I will ever wear a diaper to jury duty.  Besides, I don't want any distractions while I'm paying attention to the detals of the case.

As far as jury duty.  I don't really understand why people hate it so much and try and get out of it all the time.  I can understand how some people may be squeamish if it's a murder case, blood evidence and all, or fear that someone might later try and get even with them for convicting a family member.  There is the fear that someone may feel they either convicted an innocent man or let a guilty one go free as well.  I understand those with vacation plans, caring for a family member or in the middle of a critical project at work at the moment.  for me, jury duty has always been interesting and something I liked.  People hate the idea of jury duty but then go home and watch crime shows, Matlock and other shows like it.  Jury duty is like watching a court TV show only in much more detail and it's real life.  When I'm actually called for the voir dire questioning, I always get placed on the jury.  I think it's the intense interest and concentration on my face that makes the attorney's feel I will pay attention and make a fair decision.  It's a job that you don't take lightly and it takes responsibility, but you do get paid and it's nothing I will complain about taking up part of my time to do my civic duty.  If I can't take a few days every 5 or 10 years to serve on a jury, I'm not a very good citizen!  All that said, I'm kind of glad I didn't serve on that last jury as it was a 42 year old guy who molested a 13 year old girl many times over a couple years, first degree.  He looked like a real creep, too!  I read a few days later in the paper he was convicted.

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I have been called to jury duty 6 times. 3 times to US district court but all 3 times were before the accident that caused my incontinence. I didn't sit on any of these juries. The other 3 times were for my state's local circuit court. I did get seated on 2 of these juries. I wore basic Walgreens disposable briefs and changed in a parking lot restroom during the lunch break. One trial went 4-1/2 days and the other was dismissed the same day that it began. I kept my liquid intake to a minimum so not to over saturate my diapers. I'm hoping that I never get called to jury duty again. I wish my odds were as good for winning the lottery as they are for getting a jury summons.

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I am a senior partner in a large corporate law firm. In 1989 when I began to practice law in California attorneys were exempt from jury duty. Later we started to be called for jury duty. Every second or third year I get called to state court. About half the time I never even get sent from the assembly room to a court for selection. When call to a court as soon as I say that I am an attorney I am rejected as a juror.

When I am selecting juries I always reject other attorneys.

I am urinary incontinent so I always wear a diaper of some kind. When needed I change in public ladies' rooms.

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18 hours ago, Angela Bauer said:

I am a senior partner in a large corporate law firm. In 1989 when I began to practice law in California attorneys were exempt from jury duty. Later we started to be called for jury duty. Every second or third year I get called to state court. About half the time I never even get sent from the assembly room to a court for selection. When call to a court as soon as I say that I am an attorney I am rejected as a juror.

When I am selecting juries I always reject other attorneys.

I am urinary incontinent so I always wear a diaper of some kind. When needed I change in public ladies' rooms.

Why reject other attorneys?  One would think that an attorney would benefit you in many scenarios?  I can see situations where someone with a commanding knowledge of the law could undermine an attorneys argument if it were questionable, but if your approach is ethical I would expect it to further "the truth".  Unless that hurts your position.

Just curious.

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21 minutes ago, Joey_AB_DL said:

Why reject other attorneys?  One would think that an attorney would benefit you in many scenarios?  I can see situations where someone with a commanding knowledge of the law could undermine an attorneys argument if it were questionable, but if your approach is ethical I would expect it to further "the truth".  Unless that hurts your position.

Just curious.

You have some interesting theories of jury selection. When you are litigating perhaps those work for you.

Juries are instructed not to do their own research with respect to the case at hand. Standard jury instructions stress that interpretation of the law covering the case will be supplied by the judge. The thing I want when selecting a jury are people who will accept the law given by the judge and not use their own interpretation. Decades of research has shown that unfortunately when attorneys are part of a jury they tend to act as law professors contrary to jury instructions. Doing so constitutes jury misconduct, which can lead to endless appeals in civil cases.

You are welcome to disagree, since you experience might differ.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, Angela, but it's also possible, no matter what the unbiased rules are, that if you are prosecuting someone you would probably rather not have a defense attorney on the jury as it is their nature to look at the defendants as innocent people they usually are paid to get off.  Just as a defense attorney probably wouldn't want a prossecuter on the jury either. 

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I don't buy that.    A defense attorney doesn't need to believe his client is innocent, it's just his job to get the best outcome for him.   Getting HIS own client off, is his goal.   It doesn't give any indication that he thinks all defendants should get off.

 

I believe Angela.    They also don't want people with subject matter expertise on juries, for similar reasons.    They don't want the jury tainted with "evidence" provided by a juror's experience that's not been provided in the course of the trial.

 

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20 hours ago, Angela Bauer said:

 The thing I want when selecting a jury are people who will accept the law given by the judge and not use their own interpretation. Decades of research has shown that unfortunately when attorneys are part of a jury they tend to act as law professors contrary to jury instructions. Doing so constitutes jury misconduct, which can lead to endless appeals in civil cases.

 

The same is for police officers. After 33 years of doing the job it would be hard to just "accept" the law given by the judge. I still am not sure why we are called to waste our days there just to be excused, but I am going Tuesday just for that reason. 

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If there was only a need to interpret whether a law was being applied correctly, juries would not be necessary as any reasonably intelligent person or Judge could do that all alone. Juries were brought into play as both a means to ensure an impartiality in the decision AND as a means of determining whether the law being applied to the decision should be applied in the case at hand. Though it has changed over time, the historical place of a jury was to judge both the case and the law together to ensure that true justice would he the end result. If fact, juries were once actually instructed to do this. The usual practices of law and of the courts in the US are no longer aimed to seek true justice for all, but as a means of repressing the people to better exert control over them by the "elite" in society who benefit from having that happen. It is necessary to have laws and exactness in them, but it equally or more necessary to ensure that an innocent person comes to no harm regardless of what the law says regarding the matter at hand. True justice can happen only when a jury can and does judge both the person and the law, for both are equally likely to be wrong. Or right, as the case may be. If this is not allowed to happen (which it is not) then having a jury is a farce, a waste of time, and a waste of numerous peoples lives when that need not happen. For those so inclined, research "FIJA" and you will see what I am saying more clearly. Morality matters as much as legality, and the current way of doing things leaves no place for morality to exist so it doesn't. This is exactly why people resent being called for jury duty.

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Actually, it can be.  Friend of mine was called for jury duty 2 weeks ago.  He was in the large jury pool room and the bailiff asked if anyone had prior knowlege of the case.  11 People including my friend raised their hands.  Each one was taken into the court room one at a time to be interviewed by the judge.  When my friend was there and asked by the judge why he didn't think he could serve, instead of saying, "My son is a police man), he said, "Because I think he's guilty!"  Mind you, there were people in the court room including family members of the defendant accused of murder.  The judge was not happy stating everyone has a right to a fair trial.  My friend said he also had a right to his opinion.  Naturally, he was let go by the judge but he told me that 2 armed court personell escorted him down a back stairway and out a rear courthouse door.  Yeah, sometimes my friend can be an idiot for someone who is 66 years old and lives in an area with a lot of crime.  I expect one day he will smart off to the wrong person and end up with a bullet in his back.

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My mother in law, bless her soul, had a different approach, but it worked none the less as I am not sure that she ever was seated.  When polled prior to a trial, her response was, "must be guilty, the cops arrested them"

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On 8/24/2018 at 1:00 PM, Angela Bauer said:

You have some interesting theories of jury selection. When you are litigating perhaps those work for you.

Juries are instructed not to do their own research with respect to the case at hand. Standard jury instructions stress that interpretation of the law covering the case will be supplied by the judge. The thing I want when selecting a jury are people who will accept the law given by the judge and not use their own interpretation. Decades of research has shown that unfortunately when attorneys are part of a jury they tend to act as law professors contrary to jury instructions. Doing so constitutes jury misconduct, which can lead to endless appeals in civil cases.

You are welcome to disagree, since you experience might differ.

I totally agree. It is supposed to be a "jury of your peers" and if I were a lawyer I would find it tough to put myself on the outside looking in. I work in television and when I watch TV or a movie I often find myself looking at the technical aspects which takes my mind away from the actual content. 

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I did have a friend thought that got out of jury duty because of me. He went to the courthouse like he should have and during the questioning was asked if he knew any of the involved persons. I was the investigating officer, so he was released right away. 

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On 8/24/2018 at 1:00 PM, Angela Bauer said:

You have some interesting theories of jury selection. When you are litigating perhaps those work for you.

Juries are instructed not to do their own research with respect to the case at hand. Standard jury instructions stress that interpretation of the law covering the case will be supplied by the judge. The thing I want when selecting a jury are people who will accept the law given by the judge and not use their own interpretation. Decades of research has shown that unfortunately when attorneys are part of a jury they tend to act as law professors contrary to jury instructions. Doing so constitutes jury misconduct, which can lead to endless appeals in civil cases.

You are welcome to disagree, since you experience might differ.

I am not an attorney or involved with the law in any related field.  Also, I’ve never even experienced jury duty.  Hence the reason for my asking.  I don’t even watch many cop/law TV shows.  The closet thing I get from exposure is “Better call Saul”, a TV show on AMC.  

 

Thanks for the feedback, 

Joey

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On 9/4/2018 at 11:04 AM, Joey_AB_DL said:

I am not an attorney or involved with the law in any related field.  Also, I’ve never even experienced jury duty.  Hence the reason for my asking.  I don’t even watch many cop/law TV shows.  The closet thing I get from exposure is “Better call Saul”, a TV show on AMC.  

 

Thanks for the feedback, 

Joey

 I love Better Call Saul!!!

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