Do gay/bi guys wet the bed more?

[Little Sherri]

20 hours ago, babykeiff said:

no link whatsoever, other than the act of discrimination, between a sexual preference and night time urinary issue.

In generally I wholeheartedly agree with this, so I hesitate to wade in here. I guess, putting my cards on the table first makes sense... I'm a cisgender straight male of the species, married to a woman. I was a prolific and inveterate bedwetter as a child. I never thought about there being any correlation between that and any sexual orientation or gender identity, and, like a lot of you, I tend to immediately assume the worst intentions regarding anyone who would draw such an inference. 

That said... on second thought, the following does occur to me: it is very well documented in medical literature that kids, when they are stressed, tend to regress in various ways. This happens due to medical procedures or illness, it happens when kids move homes, it happens when they move to a new school, when they get bullied, when their parents get divorced or fight, when they experience trauma - it happens in response to a variety of stressors. And it's an unfortunate reality that growing up "other" in terms of sexual orientation or gender identity, can put a lot of stress on a person. They might not even know why they're feeling stressed - sometimes it takes until puberty or some awakening moment for people to realize that their soul doesn't match their anatomy, or that they're attracted to the same gender, or whatever the "difference" is that leaves them feeling set apart from most of their peers. Some kids would likely respond to this stress via regressive behaviours, which include bedwetting, ergo, perhaps there is some correlation between that experience, and an elevated incidence of bedwetting within a population.

Just as, for example, growing up poor is associated with a lower income in adulthood. It's not true for every individual, and, for the individuals that it is true for, in a lot of cases, it was beyond their control - being poor as a kid simply tilts the table and makes everything more of a climb, so in aggregate, the outcomes you see with respect to education, employment and health reflect that. So, it MIGHT be defensible to say that growing up gay or trans or somewhere on the LGTBQ2S+ spectrum would probably be more stressful and possibly traumatic than growing up cisgendered and straight, ergo, you might see more bedwetting in that population, through no fault of their own. It really depends on the intentions of the person making the statement. It also primarily applies to children and youths - most adults outgrow bedwetting, regardless of the cause, so I'd say it's very unlikely that you'd be able to make this observation about an adult population.  

[Little Sam]

1 hour ago, Little Sherri said:

That said... on second thought, the following does occur to me: it is very well documented in medical literature that kids, when they are stressed, tend to regress in various ways.

That's an interesting thought. So there are a couple of reasons why there might be a correlation.

Honestly though, if this is some sort of commonly held belief, it probably has more to do with porn.

[babykeiff]

2 hours ago, Little Sherri said:

...it is very well documented...which include bedwetting, ergo, perhaps there is some correlation between that experience, and an elevated incidence of bedwetting within a population.

You are correct that stress can cause regression and/or bedwetting in some, but placing an inverse link, i.e. stating that all bedwetting and/or regression is caused by stress is a mistake. This means that if there is no provable inverse, there can't be a correlation.

2 hours ago, Little Sherri said:

...Just as, for example, growing up poor is associated with a lower income in adulthood. ...

That may be true for some, but most wealthy individuals (see actors / musicians etc as examples) grew up in what is classed in a poor environment.

The process of poor to wealth is greater than the inverse of wealth to poor, this is where wealth relates to the acquisition of money, but true wealth is the acquisition of happiness. This is what is not analysed / recorded. Maslow's theory identifies wealth by the acquisition of certain material wants to finally the acquisition of spiritual fullfillment. Using that flawed theories, one can never be wealthy, but analysis of wealth tries to use capital gain as wealth.

As a result, using the real value of wealth, a poor person is extremely wealthy if they are happy as opposed to the multi-millionaire living in a virtual prison as a way to keep their money!

Therefore, the scale is more accurate if one compares the number of people who are money poor and happy as compared to those who are/were money rich and either are still money rich but unhappy or were born money rich and lost the money and are now money poor and unhappy.

3 hours ago, Little Sherri said:

So, it MIGHT be defensible to say that growing up gay or trans or somewhere on the LGTBQ2S+ spectrum would probably be more stressful and possibly traumatic than growing up cisgendered and straight...

Those who were born money rich have a different set of problems than those who grew up money poor. Also, those who grew up what is classed as different would have a different set of issues that those who grew up pseudo normal, as if that is a thing.

Since we are all different, there is no normal, and we all have different issues.

Therefore, there can't be a correlation to a nighttime issue and/or anything else beccause there is no commonality. There is a mean or average when one creates a wide enough sample, but there is no direct correlation.

P.S. I like the level you think.

[nappyboymids]

10 hours ago, babykeiff said:

That may be true for some, but most wealthy individuals (see actors / musicians etc as examples) grew up in what is classed in a poor environment.

But now you're guilty yourself of making a false generalisation (although it may just arise from an unfortunately imprecise use of language): the vast majority of actors and musicians are not wealthy - just a very small proportion of the total, many of whom have a high public profile.  If you're going to take someone to task for a poor use of logic, you need to be scrupulously rigorous in your own logic/expression ...

[Little Sherri]

18 hours ago, babykeiff said:

18 hours ago, babykeiff said:

ou are correct that stress can cause regression and/or bedwetting in some, but placing an inverse link, i.e. stating that all bedwetting and/or regression is caused by stress is a mistake. This means that if there is no provable inverse, there can't be a correlation.

 

I worded it this way, though: 

21 hours ago, Little Sherri said:

Some kids would likely respond to this stress via regressive behaviours, which include bedwetting, ergo, perhaps there is some correlation between that experience, and an elevated incidence of bedwetting within a population.

I didn't burden my hypothesis with the requirement that all bedwetting be driven by stress and/or regression. There are physiological explanations (and probably other psychological ones outside of stress, as well) for bedwetting in kids and/or adults. But you might be able to find a statistically significant correlation between a population of youths who are perhaps more stressed than average, and, an elevated incidence of stress-influenced behaviours, such as bedwetting, but also probably including anything from overeating to anorexia, other forms of self harm, insomnia, maybe even migraines, who knows. 

But I agree that correlation does not prove causation. And I enjoy tossing the ball back and forth with people who can think and express themselves. Cheers. 

[Personalias]

On 12/20/2023 at 10:51 AM, Little Sherri said:

I worded it this way, though: 

I didn't burden my hypothesis with the requirement that all bedwetting be driven by stress and/or regression. There are physiological explanations (and probably other psychological ones outside of stress, as well) for bedwetting in kids and/or adults. But you might be able to find a statistically significant correlation between a population of youths who are perhaps more stressed than average, and, an elevated incidence of stress-influenced behaviours, such as bedwetting, but also probably including anything from overeating to anorexia, other forms of self harm, insomnia, maybe even migraines, who knows. 

But I agree that correlation does not prove causation. And I enjoy tossing the ball back and forth with people who can think and express themselves. Cheers. 

Ignore Baby Keiff. If you look through their post history, you'll likely see a lot of starting arguments for the sake of it, gross leaps of logic, willful ignorance, and other forms of trolling.   That's what I've seen in my interactions with them.

My own personal opinion?  The question seems more than a bit silly to me, but it doesn't look like you were being disrespectful in the asking of it.