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Hello everyone. I'm here to put my admin hat on and issue a very firm reminder of the most basic of our rules.

We absolutely do not condone or allow any content that involves minors (People under 18-years-old) and any sexual contact. This means images, stories, forum posts and RP's will all be removed and the people breaking the rule will be harshly punished. Whether real or fictional, it doesn't matter and it will all be treated the same.

We do not have this rule arbitrarily. This rule is to protect the website and everyone on it. The last thing this fetish/kink/lifestyle needs is this kind of behaviour and that is why we work really hard in making sure it doesn't happen here.

This morning, 8 people were banned when it was discovered that they were engaging in role plays with very explicit content involving minors. One person in particular was messaging others, those that ignored him weren't punished, those that engaged him are banned indefinitely. They were all chat users and some had been here for a long time but there is absolutely no exceptions to the rule.

If you encounter someone who tries to start inappropriately talking about children you must tell a mod or admin. If you haven't engaged their fantasies or whatever else you will not be punished. It is so important to warn mods and admins if you suspect someone is acting this way or if you have evidence of inappropriate behaviour that you inform us.

Once more... As long as you aren't joining in on inappropriate content you will not be punished. Only those who do engage in this content will find themselves in trouble. Even if you have spoken to a person a lot before they get inappropriate, it isn't a problem as long as you stop talking to them and let us know without going into inappropriate details yourself.

Thank you,

Admin team

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Hi Elfy. I wrote a story about my first diaper. It is when I was 13 with my older sister. There is no sex at all just an older sister treating me like a baby. Is this story Ok to post?

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@Elfy,

I can fully accept and support your feelings and emotions in relation to banning anything that remotely relates to underage. Child pornorgraphy and/or molestation even if it is fiction should not exist in any form - we in this community should be openly protecting minors from all forms of misuse. This is an ABDL forum where the concept is ADULT first and formost, with the BABY and/or Diaper Lover being secondary. It is all about respect, self respect and respecting the free choices of others, and not forcing your wishes and/or fantasies on another without their clear consent. It is sickening to me that some members of the ABDL community attempt to con child care workers etc into changing diapers etc.

The above said and fully agreed, however, members here in their true fantasy wish to recreate - for themselves - the same feelings / emotions and behaviours that they had as a chronological child. AB fiction, at times, attempt to reach that same level, and to ban that, I personally think is incorrect. Would it not be a better idea to 'moderate' these stories instead of banning them altogether? Good authors within the ABDL community are scarce, and in my opinion, this might scare some away.

The world tried political correctness, but found that it curtailed thought and speech. One can envoke a set of rules that attempts to force equality, but doing so will eliminate comedy (as most jokes are disrespectful to one / many people). Taking offence for someones actions is a personal emotion, and really should not be ruled on.

Rules in moderation are good, as it teaches us where the limits are, but each new rule is always a reduction in freedoms.

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It isn't "political correctness" (a term usually used when someone is annoyed they can't be deliberately offensive without consequence) to not allow sexual situations with minors in stories. Aside from the the moral and ethical point of view it is about protecting the website and the people enjoying stories.

I'll suggest perhaps you misread the intentions of the original post because I'm not sure... We haven't banned stories involving minors. We have banned stories that involve minors engaging in sexual situations.

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8 hours ago, Elfy said:

It isn't "political correctness" (a term usually used when someone is annoyed they can't be deliberately offensive without consequence) to not allow sexual situations with minors in stories. Aside from the the moral and ethical point of view it is about protecting the website and the people enjoying stories.

I'll suggest perhaps you misread the intentions of the original post because I'm not sure... We haven't banned stories involving minors. We have banned stories that involve minors engaging in sexual situations.

@Elfy Is correct: they did not ban stories of minors, they just banned minors in sexual situations. It is not political currentness for anyone on the server, especially the owner @DailyDi, To set rules that he thinks are in the best interest of his server, because he wants to make sure that we are safe. it is also not political correctness to comply with rules that Mikey may have to comply with in the state of Alabama or wherever his Server is located. there are certain logs that make you must comply with, or he could get into trouble, and that means that we would get in trouble. rules are not set to be arbitrary and To make it sound like the administration is the heavy period far from it.

the rules are set according to what We'll keep us safe according to the rules that are in force at the Servers location. rules are also set because of sitting situations that need to be dealt with. rules are only guides that we must follow. on daily diapers, I don't mind following any rule that is set, because any rule that Mikey has to set, has a reason for being there period of course we can always question the rules and ask him exactly what the rule means or how he would interpret the rules, but as an administrator mikey has that right and that responsibility to determine how he is going to respond to specific situations, and sometimes he would end up doing it one way, while another day he might do it another,, while the third situation may require him to do something totally different than he did in the first two period that is the difficulty of being an administrator, 'cause you have to be able to know exactly how you were going to proceed.

I can say with unequivocal certainty that I trust the admin team on this system. if they feel that it is necessary to set a rule and let us know about it, then a lot of thought has gone into such a rule, and in order for that rule to be a part of the system, a lot of times, a specific situation has arisen somewhere In the life of the system, that necessitated the rule to be put there. ANY administrator has to make those decisions based on what make sense to them, and Based on past decisions and past actions. Situations always come up, so an administrator always has to be ready if it's if it's necessary, but an administrator also has to be in a position to determine whether a rule makes sense to do to deploy, and is it really a rule that can be enforced with little to no problem to the rest of your user base! is it a rule that you can live with that you don't have to post? those are decisions that administrators make every day, and I'm sure that Mikey has done that on many many occasions, as well as making the hard decisions that make being strater a pain in the wheelchair tires!

I also have to state that I believe every single rule that is posted penned and locked Has a purpose to be here. if there were no reason to have the rules listed and posted here, they wouldn't be. I have no problem following any rules that are posted on this system, because every single rule that is there has a reason and every rule has a particular situation for when it had to be used or when it is applied. when you are making rules, the rules can adjusted, and the rules sometimes can be made more clear in some cases and sometimes what happens is rules are there to be changed or broken! as as an administrator you have to make the decision that isn't the best interest of your system your users and your community! this is one thing that I've learned over the last 10, 15 or 20 years, and there are a lot of people who may disagree with the rules, or disagree with the way you make a decision, but the best thing is the rules the rules are guides, and when this rule is in place about no sexual contact with minors, the rule is there to protect all of us as well as the system and to comply with rules that may be in place at the service location. i've been a member here for three years, and I know that these rules exist because they are necessary.

I'd like to also thank everyone on the admin team for keeping us honest and safe! I will always try hard not to break rules, and that is why if I am not sure of a rule and the way it works I would always ask. it is not it is not political correctness to maintain A server that is safe from everyone else who may think that we are a bunch of people in a community that have a huge target on our back. this is why it is important to maintain decorum because if you don't you end up with a bunch of people that would basically threaten to throw ice cream at your face and then and they move out of the way, you just have to be able to take care of the situation as They arise. Being an administrator means that you have to be ready to enact A rule and hope that you don't have to.

Brian

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9 hours ago, Elfy said:

It isn't "political correctness" (a term usually used when someone is annoyed they can't be deliberately offensive without consequence) to not allow sexual situations with minors in stories. Aside from the the moral and ethical point of view it is about protecting the website and the people enjoying stories.

I'll suggest perhaps you misread the intentions of the original post because I'm not sure... We haven't banned stories involving minors. We have banned stories that involve minors engaging in sexual situations.

A few points that you seem to have misunderstood, in order that you replied to....

Point One

political correctness (PC), term used to refer to language that seems intended to give the least amount of offense, especially when describing groups identified by external markers such as race, gender, culture, or sexual orientation.

Exact quote from: https://www.britannica.com/topic/political-correctness

This, in my post, was used as an example of where good intentions fail, not to identify the rule that you set as being either correct or incorrect!

Point Two

minors in sexual situations is subjective at best. What is construed as sexual to you may or may not be sexual to another.

Point Three

I fully accept and agree with your presumed intention - to prevent any idea or concept of child endagerment and/or manipulation etc where it involves a minor anywhere near this site, its members and/or its supportors - and I stated that as clearly as possible.

On 11/30/2022 at 12:25 AM, babykeiff said:

I can fully accept and support your feelings and emotions in relation to banning anything that remotely relates to underage. Child pornorgraphy and/or molestation even if it is fiction should not exist in any form - we in this community should be openly protecting minors from all forms of misuse. This is an ABDL forum where the concept is ADULT first and formost, with the BABY and/or Diaper Lover being secondary. It is all about respect, self respect and respecting the free choices of others, and not forcing your wishes and/or fantasies on another without their clear consent. It is sickening to me that some members of the ABDL community attempt to con child care workers etc into changing diapers etc.

  I do not believe that I did misread any of the intention and/or actions of your rule, nor its ongoing consequences - what I DID state is instead of an outright ban on stories that, in one person's opinion might constitute an infringement on their personal believes and/or sexual fantasies etc., that a story is vetted and/or moderated and evaluated to whether its intention is to manipulate a minor and/or possibly infringe on their rights.

@DailyDi I do question @Elfy ability to act as a moderator due to my need to re-clarify what I had originally posted and Elfy's response to same? I don't think I need to remind you of how one person's feelings and beliefs can be directed to segregate and/or distance members here.

To be 100% clear, personally, I feel that anyone that infringes on the rights of another person regardless of their age or mental ability, should be denied the gift of life!

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11 hours ago, ValentinesStuff said:

@babykeiff Please note that there are Western Nations that even just opening a story with children in a sexual situation is prosecutable crime. Now it's unlikely that someone would be prosecuted for this it is possible.

@ValentinesStuff,

I am fully aware that in most legal systems, that the possession of suspected child material may constritutute a criminal act prosucutable under the relevant laws. I am also aware that in these cases, the burden of proof of is usually on the accused as opposed to the prosocuter i.e. the accused is guilty unless proved innocent (similar to French legal status as opposed to US and some European areas where the accused is innocent unless proven guilty.) In most jurisdictions, similar to the double jepordy rule, one cannot be prosocuted twice for the same crime - as oposed to Scotland where the act of a third availabe decision of 'Guilty', 'Not Guilty' and 'Not Proven' allows for repeating the prosucutors / defendants case.

The point I am trying to make without supporting either case is where is the line? The fear of prosocution and/or legal action is understandable, but who decides what is 'sexual' and what is not? 

For some, the act of looking at, and/or putting on a diaper causes arousal. For others, the image of themselves in a diaper (from a picture when they were a chronological baby) causes them arousal. In my opinion, none of what I listed is direcly or indirectly infringing on the rights of the 'child', but they can be interpreted as sexual content involving a child. I am not a legal expert, but am aware of how a 'good intention law / rule' can easily be manipulated to even close this site and let us all be prosocuted for even thinking of wearing and/or using what is, in some people's opinion, a childish / infantile garment (diaper). When this behaviour is called a 'fetish', it is easy to see how an outsider can presume that the fetish ABDL must be linked to sexual involvement involving infantile garments and children. Most within the ABDL community KNOW that this is not true, but trying to convince the less informed is foolish at best. Imagine trying to convince a judge, or worse, a self serving polititian! History in relation to the ABDL community, and the media reaction to same has taught us to be careful, cautious and discrete. Exposure, even if it is for a identifiable and provable medical need, always costs the ABDL community.

This is a very tough world where mistakes can cost careers etc - and we within the ABDL community need to protect ourselves. Being tagged as being 'different' in this world is almost a death sentance, where others do not show tollerance and/or consideration. This community, as with everyone else, respect and acceptance should be used, not discrimination in any form.

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3 minutes ago, ValentinesStuff said:

Sexual contact between the minors. 

 

Arousal of the reader isn't what's the question. 

@ValentinesStuff you seem to be missing my point entirely while pedantically focusing on specific language.

Lets scale fiction to three groups

  1. 100% designed to be child porn.
  2. ABDL
  3. Disney produced and classified as 'G' general, and wrote to entertain the under 5 year olds.

Item #1 should never be allowed to exist. Item #3, under todays beliefs, are welcomed. Item #2 may be questionable, but who makes the determination - and by what exacting standards?

I did not clearly identify a word / phrase / sentance that is acceptable or unacceptable as I refuse to even write anything that I would think is unacceptable. If we ar using the phase 'sexual contact between the minors' what is sexual contact as for some beliefs, (based on different understanding of religious teachings) any touch of genital area is considered sexual contact. Other beliefs think that is it OK to rape etc another as long as consent is implied. If you are refering to 'minors', this is a specific age in most juristictions - ie 16 / 18 USA, and 21/25 etc depending on the country / juristiction., or do we class a minor as someone who does not have the ability to give consent.

There are prior Disney productions that are banned today due to legal changes over time.

What I am asking, and is yet to be answered is :-

  • Where is the line?
  • Who makes the decision that story A is ok and story B is not?
  • What is their decision based on other than their personal experience, thinking and/or beliefs?
  • Is the person educated enough or is their opinion biased in favour of certain religious teaching?

In simple terms, and I apologise if you feel offended @ValentinesStuff, these are questions for @DailyDi and/or the moderators here, not for the members. What I am trying to ensure is the future of this site and the continuing support of authors here.

On 3/15/2017 at 6:11 PM, Elfy said:

We absolutely do not condone or allow any content that involves minors (People under 18-years-old) and any sexual contact. This means images, stories, forum posts and RP's will all be removed and the people breaking the rule will be harshly punished. Whether real or fictional, it doesn't matter and it will all be treated the same.

This is the quote, and the rule that is being discussed.

For the people that are misunderstanding this, let me attempt to clarify:-

  • We - that is DailyDiapers and all that exist under that title including the site owner @DailyDi and all moderators engaged
  • absolutely - this is without any conditions and/or exceptions
  • do not condone - will not accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).
  • or allow any content - this includes and text in all forms
  • that involves minors (People under 18-years-old) - this is a legal definition of the term minor, where the age used is also the minimum age required for entry onto this site.
  • and any sexual contact. - this is were the obfusication and the possibilities of self serving actions can be implemented similar to behaviour of other people that existed on this site.

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obfuscation:

the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
"when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"
 
This is what @Elfy chose to do when I questioned this. @Elfy stated that the rule is not about political correctness, misdefined that, and then suggested that I did not read and/or understand what was stated.
On 11/30/2022 at 4:38 PM, Elfy said:

It isn't "political correctness" (a term usually used when someone is annoyed they can't be deliberately offensive without consequence) to not allow sexual situations with minors in stories. Aside from the the moral and ethical point of view it is about protecting the website and the people enjoying stories.

I'll suggest perhaps you misread the intentions of the original post because I'm not sure... We haven't banned stories involving minors. We have banned stories that involve minors engaging in sexual situations.

 

That behaviour suggests, to me, that @Elfyis trying to attempt to obfuscate the topic, rather than deal with it. @~Brian~ unwittingly partially followed this in his post.
 
Other moderators acted like that before, and drove members away all based on the moderators personal and religious belief. It is not the persons bias, it is more in relation to their lack of knowledge.
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Funny thing is that I understand what is meant by "sexual contact." And the really weird thing is that I am an asexual virgin. Despite that I understand what isn't allowed.

 

I don't expect DailyDi, Elfy, or any of the moderators to give you a list of banned things, because it will inevitably leave off something, and you or someone else will complain when you write a scene that violates the policy but wasn't on the list.

 

If you want to write something that is questionable, post it elsewhere. If you read something you find questionable, point it out to a moderator.

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