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I thought reading this that there would be a source of RAINBOW COLORED DIAPERS.

On the other hand sure is a lot of spirited discussion about LGBTQ parades and costumes.

I guess I will have to settle for LGBTQ Baby wearing a rainbow sash instead of diapers.

Were the stripes supposed to go vertical or horizontal ?

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23 minutes ago, BabyLock said:

I thought reading this that there would be a source of RAINBOW COLORED DIAPERS.

On the other hand sure is a lot of spirited discussion about LGBTQ parades and costumes.

I guess I will have to settle for LGBTQ Baby wearing a rainbow sash instead of diapers.

Were the stripes supposed to go vertical or horizontal ?

Either way, I guess.  Also, I completely understand about it being exteremely rude to involve someone else who doen't consent in one's fetish, but I still think that ABDLs, or really people in any fetish, should be more accepted.  I'm not saying people should parade around town in just a diaper, but that people shouldn't be automatically judged if someone else (like a parent or roommate) accidentally comes across their diaper stash.  As long as someone keeps their fetish reasonably private, and doesn't involve children, they shouldn't be yelled at for it.

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7 hours ago, KinsyInRibbons said:

Being gay, lesbian, bi, etc... isn't a kink. It isn't a lifestyle. It is a fundamental element of who you are, and thus needs to be handled completely different.

That is exactly how some ABDLs feel. To them this isn't some sexual fetish or kink, it's a lifestyle and it's who they are. 

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I feel diapers are a big part of who I am so I wear them all the time. I agree with what you say about diapers and no one needs to know you wear them or have them on. But sometimes it's hard to keep hidden if you share a room or having people living with you and it's also difficult when you are still living with your parents and they don't like it. Some are phobic about it so they go to a point where they disown or kick you out or not pay for your tuition. I wish it wasn't a big deal for anyone. That would make life easier. That is the whole acceptance thing about. I know it's not the same thing as being gay or trans. Heck people have even lost their jobs over being ABDL because someone would out them with it or because someone decided to appear on a show about it. If everyone accepted it, this wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be living in fear worrying it will affect our employment or have CPS on us. That is what it's all about with acceptance. 

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22 hours ago, Spokane Girl said:

Heck people have even lost their jobs over being ABDL because someone would out them with it or because someone decided to appear on a show about it. If everyone accepted it, this wouldn't be happening

Do you know someone who was in that kind of situation?

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Baby Ella lost her job that way from appearing in The Secret Lives of Women and I have seen posts online where someone would say someone was outed and lost their job. I know it happened to someone so now she hides her face and changed her online name. 

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Why does it make a difference? I'm trans and I go to pride wearing diapers every year. Hell, I wear diapers every day 24/7. Pride is about who you are, not about what people perceive you to be. If you wear diapers, are LGBTQ, or whatever, enjoy it, and flip the bird to those that don't!!

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17 hours ago, Alvin Seville said:

It would be cool to have a float or something at the pride events that take place around the world supporting us ABDL folks.

Although a specific ABDL pride event wouldn’t work in my opinion.

Why not?

On 11/11/2017 at 1:39 PM, Spokane Girl said:

Baby Ella lost her job that way from appearing in The Secret Lives of Women and I have seen posts online where someone would say someone was outed and lost their job. I know it happened to someone so now she hides her face and changed her online name. 

That's not good.  There should really be a clause in the Constitution that says "you cannot discriminate based on age, gender, race, religion, etc, and purely personal interests and desires".  If someone's showing their diaper at work and weirding out customers, that's one thing.  But if someone always keeps their abdl side to themselves (and perhaps their spouse and/or close friends if they're cool with it), and they are fired or given grief simply because of the fact they are in said community, that is something very different and should not be allowed.

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9 hours ago, Firefly 35 said:

Why not?

That's not good.  There should really be a clause in the Constitution that says "you cannot discriminate based on age, gender, race, religion, etc, and purely personal interests and desires".  If someone's showing their diaper at work and weirding out customers, that's one thing.  But if someone always keeps their abdl side to themselves (and perhaps their spouse and/or close friends if they're cool with it), and they are fired or given grief simply because of the fact they are in said community, that is something very different and should not be allowed.

dont forget the other perspective.  what if you own a business? what if your employee is doing something you personally disagree with? wouldn't you as the small business owner like the freedom / the right to choose who you employ? the ability to replace them without having to prove to the world you had just cause? it is your business after all...

 

public institutions are different, police firefighters etc, those are owned by the taxpayer and so the taxpayer should say what rules they discriminate by, but shouldnt a private business owner have rights to decide who runs his own business?

and if the private owner is discriminating for poor reasons the public who keeps his business afloat has the right to stop purchasing from him, a boycott, thats free market ideas. if the government steps in instead thats a nanny state.

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I didn't mean that the government has to get super closely invloved in the private industry, just that if someone feels that they were inappropriately discriminated against, they would be able to file a complaint.  If someone can't lift heavy boxes, and they apply for a warehouse job that requires them to lift heavy boxes and get turned down, that would not be unreasonable because heavy lifting is reqired due to the nature of that kind of job.  Now, if they could lift heavy boxes, did everything else that was reqired of them, and just happened to be an ABDL who kept their abdl activities within the privacy of their own home, and their boss fired them because he thought all abdls are pedophiles, that would not be ok.  

There are some anti-descrimination rules that apply to all industries for the purpose of fairness, so you aren't going to be able to just fire someone without a valid reason.  Or if you do, you could face legal trouble or even a lawsuit depending on the situation.  That being said, usually people try talking with their manager several times before that happens though.

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On 11/10/2017 at 10:44 PM, KinsyInRibbons said:

 Part of acceptance is also accepting the other persons feelings, and giving them time, space, and the freedom to be open about it. Will everyone get welcomed back? No, but I will put good money that if even one side is putting out a good faith effort and not holding on to anger, that the relationship could be mended.

Absolutely lovely words with deep meaning :girl_happy: Whoever you are, we're just one in a world full of others and in the big picture nobody matters more than anyone else. I'm important to me but you're important to me too whoever you are. If we both care about each other enough we can all manage to get through anything together :D

Bettypooh

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I remember seeing a discussion here or on ADISC about some ABDLs not believing one can get fired for being ABDL and say those who claim they did are not telling the whole story. Like maybe they were bad a employee to begin with and they just used ABDL as an excuse to fire them. Maybe it was what they were doing with it like smelling, dressing as a AB at work and carrying around bottles and pacifiers so I say in that case they were not fired for being a ABDL they were just fired for not following the dress code and fired for having poor hygiene. 

 

Plus I have heard of ABDLs shutting down their own websites when they would decide to go to school to pursue a career like the person who wrote Tiffany's Diaper Tales shut down his story site because he decided to go back to school and I think to be a psychiatrist if I remember correctly. He didn't want that website to be found and have it affect his employment. But I say just as long as you don't use your real name and don't post any photos of yourself, you should be good. Also try and be vague about your location and your career. Some out there just lie about themselves by changing detail about their lives to protect their identity. But that gets frowned upon because we then call them fakers and liars. 

 

Another thing here is it's not just ABDLs, teachers have gotten fired for things they do in their personal lives like one teacher was suspended for purchasing alcohol and she was off work and this was her personal time, she was not working and it was not her lunch break, a student just happened to see her at the store buying it and told other students about it. There was another one when a student discovered his teacher used to work in porn videos and that got her in trouble for it too for her past career. There have been other horror stories about teachers getting fired or suspended for something they do in their personal lives or for their past careers. I would bet if they were also ABDL, that would put their career at risk too if they were outed with it or caught. I would have to wonder what was a student doing on those ABDL pages when they discovered their teacher in one of the photos? Were they curious about fetishes or were they also into it too but decided to tell other students about it because they wanted to see how other students would feel about the whole diaper and baby thing. 

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On 11/11/2017 at 1:39 PM, Spokane Girl said:

Baby Ella lost her job that way from appearing in The Secret Lives of Women and I have seen posts online where someone would say someone was outed and lost their job. I know it happened to someone so now she hides her face and changed her online name. 

You might be talking about me.  

Thing is, I knew from the beginning that it would not be accepted in my line of work. And I never went around showing my diapers either. I did, and do, go out in little girl style dresses. I do not think that is "forcing unsuspecting public to participate in my kink", because:

1. It's not a "kink" for me, and
2. How is merely wearing a garment "forcing participation"? That's just silly. 

What I did was dumb though.  I let my face be clear as day in my pictures and allowed them to be public. Then, as my usual, controversial self, I made certain people very mad at me. It was inevitable that sooner or later one of those people would seek revenge in a way that was far worse than anything I ever said to any of them, and that they would get ahold of my personal info. However, I came back after that, did several more events, and even directed another LG Camp to make a point - they didn't win. I'm still around. I'm still who I was. I'm a little less naive and a little more shrewd and a little less dramatic, but I am still a six year old little girl dressing and playing as I did before. 

"Pride"? Maybe.  I think it shows courage to allow yourself to be who you are. Especially when you've received a major blow, like myself, or like Ella, or like several others have. But doing this isn't a "kink" for me. I don't "get off" by it. It is simply who I am - same as homosexuals say about themselves and transgenders say about themselves. So if we are going to say it's fine for you to go out dressed feminine, even if you are biologically male, by default we must also accept that it is fine to dress as a six year old, even if you are biologically in your 40s. Messing in your diapers in public is a little different, as it creates an odor and that IS offensive, and it creates a possible health hazard. Running around in just diapers .... well, we don't let people run around in just underwear, and diapers are underwear, so.....  Although we do let people run around in, for instance, bikinis - which cover less than underwear. 

I also don't have a problem with what happened to my job once it became "known". Like I said - I know public perception. It's not fully acceptable and never will be. And frankly, I needed a push to get out of where I was anyway. It was like when I gained a little weight, and was still trying to squeeze into girls size 16 dresses - not a good fit.  ;-)   

I don't think AB Pride fests are needed.  But if I want to play in the sun, I think I ought to be able to without people blowing a gasket over it.  

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No I never thought people should run around in diapers with nothing over them. They are a form of underwear and should be treated as such. I am saying if ABDL was accepted, people wouldn't be losing their jobs over it or worrying about their career or how it would reflect on them when working in professional setting. There are no laws about discrimination against someone for wearing diapers or being a little like there are about trans and sexuality and religion and I do think being ABDL is honestly who some people are and not some kink and no I am not saying they should wear diapers openly and be changed out in public where anyone can see without even trying, or go messing themselves or go smelling like piss. I don't like being near smelly people so a poopy or urine stench diaper is no different. 

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On 11/13/2017 at 1:06 PM, diapersalways said:

if i owned my own private business, say a shoe store, and found out thanks to a tv show that my employee was a foot/shoe fetishist, considering my employee will be seeing customers bare feet during the day, and doing who knows what to the shoe products when not in sight... i would fire them, rather then expose my customers or my business's reputation to risk. its honorable if a business owner decides to take a chance on such a person, but it shouldn't be a legal obligation, it should be a moral learned and chosen, not forced by law. society can use the free market to impose morals on a business via boycotts, however there would not be people boycotting the firing of a foot fetishist from a shoe store, the majority of customers you can assume would be glad their shoe store employee wasnt a foot fetishist, and arent their wishes of any value? remove the business owners right to fire, you remove their ability to give the customer what they want.

 

perhaps foot fetishist doesnt bother you enough to understand the parallel, how bout convicted but time served pedophile serving ice cream from a truck? convicted but time served bestiality employed at a veterinarian / pound?

theres thousands of examples , fact is  you wouldnt like a society that removes the "right to fire" from employers.

 

if the government told me i could not fire them despite owning the business, id say i did not live as a free man in a free country...

I think at that point said emplyee would probably be very embarrassed and want to leave that job anyway.  However, if say, said employee was a (peaceful) muslim who wore a hijib, and there was a news story about another ISIS attack, should the employee be prohibited from wearing a hijib to work?  I can understand people's concern about those kind of situations, but if a foot fetishest is clearly able to keep their fetish private and do well at their job, why should it matter?  Just like if a muslim has no history of crime, why should they have resrictions imposed on them?  I think the key here is to find the right balance.

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1 hour ago, Firefly 35 said:

I think at that point said emplyee would probably be very embarrassed and want to leave that job anyway.  However, if say, said employee was a (peaceful) muslim who wore a hijib, and there was a news story about another ISIS attack, should the employee be prohibited from wearing a hijib to work?  I can understand people's concern about those kind of situations, but if a foot fetishest is clearly able to keep their fetish private and do well at their job, why should it matter?  Just like if a muslim has no history of crime, why should they have resrictions imposed on them?  I think the key here is to find the right balance.

What if a customer saw the show and decided to not go to that store anymore and decided to tell other customers about it and leave negative reviews online about it? The store owner would not appreciate it so they would have no choice but to let the employee go. It's all about keeping a business and a good reputation so if people didn't feel comfortable shopping in his store because of a foot fetishist, the store owner would let him go. 

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Like I said, that employee would probably want to leave anyway at that point due to the amount of embarrassment they would get.  

But what if the employee was a muslim, and caused you to lose buisness because people believed the media's "terrorism" propaganda?  What would you do then?

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One important thing to remember here: Gay pride is about ADULTS in ADULT relationships enjoying ADULT activities. As soon as you enter in something associated with children (or babies) it's a whole different ballgame. Getting turned on by leather and fishnet stockings is greeted with acceptance because it doesn't lead to thinking about children. But once you admit to enjoying diapers as a recreational (and sexual) activity, there is a big taboo to that. To everyday society, it is unacceptable to get "turned on" by something associated with the lifestyle of a baby or a child. After all, to a two-year-old, diapers are very mundane (and uncomfortable when poopy or wet). I guess you might say that anything before puberty is off limits when it comes to turn-ons. Of course there is nothing wrong with an ABDL lifestyle and those of us who indulge in it know that it doesn't (and shouldn't) involve children, but the general public won't see it that way. In their minds, diapers are for babies and incontinent adults, and incontinence is considered a "disability." The issue of dressing like a child is another hot-button issue because it takes the innocence of childhood and attaches sexuality to it--at least in the minds of people who don't understand it. Let's face it, not even psychologists or sex therapists fully understand infantilism because they treat it as a "disorder." We all know better than that, but it will never be accepted as a valid lifestyle like gay and transgender rights simply because of the association with children.

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You basically need to have autism or an intellectual impairment to get a pass for immaturity, then your ABDL and your love for diapers might get blamed on that. Or if you were abused so you grow up to regress, you also get a pass. But then people still say get therapy and that they have mental issues. 

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16 hours ago, Spokane Girl said:

You basically need to have autism or an intellectual impairment to get a pass for immaturity, then your ABDL and your love for diapers might get blamed on that. Or if you were abused so you grow up to regress, you also get a pass. But then people still say get therapy and that they have mental issues. 

Hey, I have autism and happen to quite mature.  But for someone with severe autism, perhaps someone could blame their autism for why they're an abdl.

Also, I don't think that either autism or being an ABDL is a mental issue.  The former is just a different mental operating system, and the latter is a lifestyle that some people like, but others oppose.  

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3 minutes ago, Firefly 35 said:

Hey, I have autism and happen to quite mature.  But for someone with severe autism, perhaps someone could blame their autism for why they're an abdl.

Also, I don't think that either autism or being an ABDL is a mental issue.  The former is just a different mental operating system, and the latter is a lifestyle that some people like, but others oppose.  

I was speaking from other peoples perspectives. That is the only time they will accept it in someone. There is a lady that floats around on youtube who hates ABDLs and she is very bigoted towards us and she is incontinent and she made a hateful video on us and she actually said in her comments that it's acceptable if you are abused or disabled and said we were a mockery to the abused and disabled. Very disappointing because she has a wonderful blog and is a advocate for incontinence and trying to get rid of the stigma on diapers. Now I just don't give a shit anymore and I see her as whining now in every video she makes and see her blog as whining now. Oh someone had a problem with her diapers in the trash so they didn't take them out, in her hotel room, boo fucking hoo, karma bitch. 

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When it's anything which someone doesn't understand, they will often make associations with something which they do (or think they do) understand :o The problem is on them, but they can't see it that way. There are people whose minds are deep enough to grasp that this isn't about children and that this doesn't affect or involve them, so they can be accepting that far :) But those people are rarities and definitely people to be treasured :wub: 

Society overall isn't intelligent enough to understand us yet. If society manages to survive long enough I can see this happening, but the chances of that itself are microscopic :( Humanity is racing to destroy itself getting full support from the closed-minded people who don't understand us now so it may be a moot point anyway :o If my hypothesis is correct, then ABDL Pride events could be the thing which turns their brains on, but I don't see this happening either. So in the end maybe it will be just us wondering if we could have saved the world or not :rolleyes:

Whatever the ending we will have the satisfaction of knowing we were right all along B)

Bettypooh

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I can accept ignorance, it's willful ignorance I don't tolerate. That person made it clear in her comments she will not change her mind about us so it's an example of willful. 

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