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BabyStevie26    50

I'll take a look at those and went ahead and got the Kindle version of the originally story (May as well support the author).

I mostly meant "born in captivity" as a figure of speech, though that can potentially be what a Little born in an amazon household ultimately counts as.

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JonhSmith13    5
5 hours ago, BabyStevie26 said:

I'll take a look at those and went ahead and got the Kindle version of the originally story (May as well support the author).

Kindle version  It does not work in most of the countries. pdf prefer

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BabyStevie26    50
14 hours ago, JonhSmith13 said:

Kindle version  It does not work in most of the countries. pdf prefer

*shrug* Works for me just fine.

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DKN117    25

Hey WBDaddy, on page 1 of this thread you posted an extrapolated average height of Giant babies & toddlers, showing how that probably influenced how Giants see Littles. Could you (or someone else reading this) maybe extend it up to 10-13 yrs. old, maybe make it easier to see how Giants might see 'tall' Littles and most In-Betweeners?

 

...Hmm, I also wonder how Giants see In-Betweener children (like, 8-12) - if their "tiny" size, equivalent to most Littles, might trigger the same 'urges'/'instincts' that Littles do...

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WBDaddy    550
2 hours ago, DKN117 said:

Hey WBDaddy, on page 1 of this thread you posted an extrapolated average height of Giant babies & toddlers, showing how that probably influenced how Giants see Littles. Could you (or someone else reading this) maybe extend it up to 10-13 yrs. old, maybe make it easier to see how Giants might see 'tall' Littles and most In-Betweeners?

 

...Hmm, I also wonder how Giants see In-Betweener children (like, 8-12) - if their "tiny" size, equivalent to most Littles, might trigger the same 'urges'/'instincts' that Littles do...

Well, extrapolating would be a simple matter of taking the average Tweener height and applying the ratio of Tweener:Human to the adolescent growth charts available online.  More math than I want to do this evening (drunk and in serious back pain) but you might be interested enough to play around with it.

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DKN117    25

I'm absolutely horrid at math... I'm the guy who tried my absolute best and studied and everything but still got a D in college-level Intermediate Algebra; that's how bad at math I am.

Anyone else wanna try figuring it out? Or at least giving me a formula to plug numbers from a height/growth chart into (by formula I mean, like, "Z = X divided by W times Y", that kinda stuff they give you in textbooks...) to get the answers I seek?

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WBDaddy    550
On 12/24/2015 at 1:00 PM, WBDaddy said:

Well, from what Ausdpr and I discussed privately, Littles are actually smaller (4'-4'6" on average) than normal humans.  Alyssa, apparently, was short enough to look like a tall Little as opposed to a Middle (5'3"-5'7" on average).  For reference, Amazons are 9' on average.

 

So, your ratios are: 

Giants to Middles = 18:11

If you apply that ratio to the adolescent growth chart, you get a perspective on how much smaller Middle teenagers are versus full-grown Giants.

Here's your math:  (Average height on growth chart at chosen age) / 18 * 11 = (Perspective height where Amazon/Giant = human)

Reference your final number on the same chart and you get your perspective, as in how a Giant would perceive the chosen middle.

Ah, shit, I done most of the work already, lemme get my calculator...

Examples (data from CDC growth charts for US)

Average height (50th percentile) of 13-year-old girl = 62 inches.  62/18*11 = (roughly) 38 inches.  38 inches = the size of an average 3-1/2-year-old girl.  So an Amazon/Giant would see a 13-year-old Middle as an older toddler.

Average height (50th percentile) of a 17-year-old girl = 64 inches.  64/18*11 = just over 39 inches.  39 inches = just short of 50th percentile for a 4-year-old girl.  Not much difference.  

 

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BabyStevie26    50

So, putting aside the numbers for a bit, what I'm taking away from this is that, in relative terms, where a Little is the size of an Amazon toddler or baby, a full-grown In-betweener is around the size of an Amazon kindergartener or elementary schooler, at the most? If so, it seems a fairly thin line between Little & Mid.

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ausdpr    94

I'd say that it's not really a scientifically rigid setting, since it's the place found in the infinite multiverse where all the dirty ABDL stories read by a character named Alisa happened to be true at once, all shoving up against each other, it that helps ebb your confusion. Each author presents a different version.

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BabyStevie26    50

This was posted by ausdpr recently in the "maintain a DD Archive" thread and offers an idea of perspective of Amazons and In-Betweeners.

Also, just now had a question I thought of and wanted to share: Amazons in the Diaper Dimension generally believe Littles, and to a lesser extent In-Betweeners, are incapable of functioning on an adult level, hence the childish treatment. My question to you: Are they right?

In your opinion, are Littles in the Diaper Dimension actively deluding themselves with dreams of adulthood that, in reality, they can't handle? Or are Amazons so hardwired to see Littles in this way it never for a moment occurs to most that they are adults in every way except height?

Not sure where I stand yet. I like the idea of playing with the ambiguity though. In Student's Pet, a running theme for the Little protagonist is that she knew ending up in diapers was inevitable, but that's just because that's what Amazons do to Littles, right? Now, maybe not.

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Personalias    185

BabyStevie26

I feel like I've said this before in some way or another, but my opinion is whether or not you're viewing it as literal or allegorical.  Whether you look at Littles as extensions of fetishists or as characters in of themselves.

A lot of the "Horror Porn" as I've heard it called (and like to call it)- the "Noooooo I don't wanna be a baby" stuff- comes from a place of self-loathing and the disgust at one's desires.  The main character on a subconscious level just KNOWS that they shouldn't want to be a baby and that they must fight this regression.  If society knew they wanted to be treated as such they'd be mocked.  And yet, the drives and impulses always win out in the end and the person is dragged kicking and crying towards their desires.  It's a metaphorical AB Binge and Purge cycle given literary form, typically ending or at least focusing on the ultimate binge. 

Alternatively, if the writer or reader is a Daddy/Mommy type, they get to savor the struggle of the AB and watch as they finally submit and give in.  But I'm not terribly Dominant or a Daddy, so I can't be particularly articulate or speak from a point of personal expertise or knowledge on that.  

Point is, a lot of these stories play out as fantastical versions of pre-negotiated roleplay scenes of struggle, regression, and submission.  Even if the Little (the kink term, not the DD term) starts the scene struggling or resisting, the ultimate goal for both parties is submission.  In that context, the Diaper Dimension is really just a world where these tendencies and desires take physical approximation and it is socially permissible and even encouraged.  Viewed through that lens, every Little (the DD term, not the kink term) is an AB who deep down wants to be babied 24/7 but a matter of pride or shame or ego won't let them give in, so they need a meddling Amazon (who in turn wants to be nurturing and/or dominant and treat someone like a baby always, but only if they're not really a baby,) to facilitate.

Viewed as characters in of themselves and not just a window for a fetishist or kinkster to live vicariously through, absolutely not.  Littles are in a world where giants either through hardwiring (like an overpowering maternal/paternal instinct) or social constructs  are determined to demean and in a way, dehumanize them by never fully conferring the rights of adulthood and competence by treating those rights as privileges.  The Littles are infantilized against their will and it's through what amounts to conditioning, stockholm syndrome, brainwashing, chemical addiction, or any myriad of other ways to force someone to act against their own best intrests that they remain imprisoned.

That all being said: I like your work in this universe and look forward to reading more.  I like how the characters interact and examine their own motivations, preconceptions and attitudes regarding this setting. 

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BabyStevie26    50

Thanks for the complement Personalias. Though in fairness I should confess I haven't put nearly as much thought into this as you clearly have. I just tend to explore ideas or concepts that I don't otherwise see. Such as a Little who was raised in babyhood from an early age like Eloise, a girl who is torn between seeing Littles as she's been taught vs what she sees for herself like her sister, or how Littles react to the inevitably of babyhood.

While still unsure where I fall on Littles, I have come to feel that Amazons, as characters, legitimately do not see Littles as anything but children who don't grow up. The ones who do still might, at best, see them as equivalent of invalids who can't function without help and, at worst, a way to engage in the more demeaning kind of power fantasy.

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Personalias    185

That's what I like about your stories set in the DD.
 

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DKN117    25

Couple things have me thinking regarding Amazon reactions to things.

First, in the story/timelines where knowledge of 'our' world is known, I wonder what the Amazons (as well as the Littles and In-Betweeners) think of there being a world where all humans are In-Betweeners, where the other two races apparently don't even exist?

Second, I wonder how Amazons view, react to, and treat In-Betweener children. An I.B. boy or girl 8-11 years of age will be in the same size range as adult Littles and therefore Amazon babies & toddlers; how would this color Amazons' perceptions of them, how they react and treat them? Might there be some Amazon babysitters hired by I.B. parents who take 'baby-sitting' rather literally?

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BabyStevie26    50

Maybe they view Amazon-less dimensions in much the same way that they view places, like islands countries iirc, where Littles live without any Amazons at all. A curiosity to be sure, and a place where potential adoptees might come from, but not much more than that.

 

Not sure about in betweeners. The question probably depends on how at-a-glance an Amazon can recognize a young In-Betweener vs an "adult" Little.

In Student's Pet, teenage/preteen Amazons are noticeably taller than an In-Betweener in the same age group, while all of them are bigger than adult Little Cathy.

 

 

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Personalias    185

Regardless of the tale or the tiny differences and similarities from writer to writer, Amazons as a whole, seem to be arrogant and self-assured that they know best.

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BabyStevie26    50
9 minutes ago, Personalias said:

Regardless of the tale or the tiny differences and similarities from writer to writer, Amazons as a whole, seem to be arrogant and self-assured that they know best.

And possess a maternal instinct bigger than they themselves. Be it a controlling "smother" or a loving "mommy", that's a particular constant in a lot of amazons.

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Personalias    185
27 minutes ago, BabyStevie26 said:

And possess a maternal instinct bigger than they themselves. Be it a controlling "smother" or a loving "mommy", that's a particular constant in a lot of amazons.

Yeah, I can see that.  Once again, they are pretty much the personification of the Big role as it is referred to in age play, and while there are varying degrees and flavors and intensity of it, it still has the common thread of being a Mommy or Daddy.  That's also why to them it seems perfectly sensible in pretty much every story to forcibly diaper people, even each other in some instances, as a form of control, love, re-education, etc.

 

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BabyStevie26    50

Here's a couple thoughts that I'm not sure have come up:

Is Amazon society female dominated? It seems like it should be on the surface. The name Amazon alone is a clue, and it certainly explains why society has no qualms about allowing Amazons' parental instincts to run so free they can up and take a Little off and baby them. If so, what roles do men have in society vs the women?

Do Amazons have a low birth rate? That would justify, for a given definition of justify, their babying of Littles to satisfy the motherly feelings they can't easily pour on to their actual children. Alternatively, in that situation would they actually breed like rabbits without Littles to curb the need?

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ELLIE52    46

My understanding is Yes to both your questions, BabySteve26.  Matriarch, yes and low birth rate as well, but I have forgotten why.  Not as many men? maybe......

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BabyStevie26    50
11 minutes ago, ELLIE52 said:

My understanding is Yes to both your questions, BabySteve26.  Matriarch, yes and low birth rate as well, but I have forgotten why.  Not as many men? maybe......

I was thinking simply biological quirk, a thing that just happens to be the case. Such as how with hyenas firstborn cubs are almost always stillborn or die at birth.

A low birth rate of natural children doesn't mix well with an overpowering need to mother, however, so Littles, whether they like it or not, become a natural outlet (right word?) of that need.

 

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Personalias    185

Depends on how you view the Diaper Dimension canonically.   The answer to that is "where did it come from?" 

Is it a place that was pieced together from Alisa's psyche and knowledge of different abdl story tropes and brought into existence by Dr. Bremer's dimensional gateway?  Or is it a place that already existed, where the biology, physics, environment, and technology of the world facilitated that culture growing dominant and Dr. Bremer's gateway just matched it up as the closest match to the place Alisa envisioned?

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BabyStevie26    50
1 hour ago, Personalias said:

Depends on how you view the Diaper Dimension canonically.   The answer to that is "where did it come from?" 

Is it a place that was pieced together from Alisa's psyche and knowledge of different abdl story tropes and brought into existence by Dr. Bremer's dimensional gateway?  Or is it a place that already existed, where the biology, physics, environment, and technology of the world facilitated that culture growing dominant and Dr. Bremer's gateway just matched it up as the closest match to the place Alisa envisioned?

The Discworld fan in me likes the idea of a mix-and-match. Maybe it was created by Alisa's psyche, and passive contact with our world through that creation, or through others from other dimensions that fall in, helps fill in any societal and historical blanks they possess and over time has become a world and culture of their own.

Hell, given how so many others have taken up tales in what was one person's story, that's exactly what's happened.

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Personalias    185
2 minutes ago, BabyStevie26 said:

The Discworld fan in me...

Hehehe...so the Diaper Dimension is on the back of 4 giant diapered elephants on the back of a giant diapered turtle...That's an image right there.

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BabyStevie26    50
1 minute ago, Personalias said:

Hehehe...so the Diaper Dimension is on the back of 4 giant diapered elephants on the back of a giant diapered turtle...That's an image right there.

A corollary Theory of Narrative Casuality is that anything that can be conceived to exist must at some point exist, no matter how patently absurd.

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