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I'll take a look at those and went ahead and got the Kindle version of the originally story (May as well support the author).

I mostly meant "born in captivity" as a figure of speech, though that can potentially be what a Little born in an amazon household ultimately counts as.

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5 hours ago, BabyStevie26 said:

I'll take a look at those and went ahead and got the Kindle version of the originally story (May as well support the author).

Kindle version  It does not work in most of the countries. pdf prefer

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14 hours ago, JonhSmith13 said:

Kindle version  It does not work in most of the countries. pdf prefer

*shrug* Works for me just fine.

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Hey WBDaddy, on page 1 of this thread you posted an extrapolated average height of Giant babies & toddlers, showing how that probably influenced how Giants see Littles. Could you (or someone else reading this) maybe extend it up to 10-13 yrs. old, maybe make it easier to see how Giants might see 'tall' Littles and most In-Betweeners?

 

...Hmm, I also wonder how Giants see In-Betweener children (like, 8-12) - if their "tiny" size, equivalent to most Littles, might trigger the same 'urges'/'instincts' that Littles do...

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2 hours ago, DKN117 said:

Hey WBDaddy, on page 1 of this thread you posted an extrapolated average height of Giant babies & toddlers, showing how that probably influenced how Giants see Littles. Could you (or someone else reading this) maybe extend it up to 10-13 yrs. old, maybe make it easier to see how Giants might see 'tall' Littles and most In-Betweeners?

 

...Hmm, I also wonder how Giants see In-Betweener children (like, 8-12) - if their "tiny" size, equivalent to most Littles, might trigger the same 'urges'/'instincts' that Littles do...

Well, extrapolating would be a simple matter of taking the average Tweener height and applying the ratio of Tweener:Human to the adolescent growth charts available online.  More math than I want to do this evening (drunk and in serious back pain) but you might be interested enough to play around with it.

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I'm absolutely horrid at math... I'm the guy who tried my absolute best and studied and everything but still got a D in college-level Intermediate Algebra; that's how bad at math I am.

Anyone else wanna try figuring it out? Or at least giving me a formula to plug numbers from a height/growth chart into (by formula I mean, like, "Z = X divided by W times Y", that kinda stuff they give you in textbooks...) to get the answers I seek?

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On 12/24/2015 at 1:00 PM, WBDaddy said:

Well, from what Ausdpr and I discussed privately, Littles are actually smaller (4'-4'6" on average) than normal humans.  Alyssa, apparently, was short enough to look like a tall Little as opposed to a Middle (5'3"-5'7" on average).  For reference, Amazons are 9' on average.

 

So, your ratios are: 

Giants to Middles = 18:11

If you apply that ratio to the adolescent growth chart, you get a perspective on how much smaller Middle teenagers are versus full-grown Giants.

Here's your math:  (Average height on growth chart at chosen age) / 18 * 11 = (Perspective height where Amazon/Giant = human)

Reference your final number on the same chart and you get your perspective, as in how a Giant would perceive the chosen middle.

Ah, shit, I done most of the work already, lemme get my calculator...

Examples (data from CDC growth charts for US)

Average height (50th percentile) of 13-year-old girl = 62 inches.  62/18*11 = (roughly) 38 inches.  38 inches = the size of an average 3-1/2-year-old girl.  So an Amazon/Giant would see a 13-year-old Middle as an older toddler.

Average height (50th percentile) of a 17-year-old girl = 64 inches.  64/18*11 = just over 39 inches.  39 inches = just short of 50th percentile for a 4-year-old girl.  Not much difference.  

 

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So, putting aside the numbers for a bit, what I'm taking away from this is that, in relative terms, where a Little is the size of an Amazon toddler or baby, a full-grown In-betweener is around the size of an Amazon kindergartener or elementary schooler, at the most? If so, it seems a fairly thin line between Little & Mid.

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I'd say that it's not really a scientifically rigid setting, since it's the place found in the infinite multiverse where all the dirty ABDL stories read by a character named Alisa happened to be true at once, all shoving up against each other, it that helps ebb your confusion. Each author presents a different version.

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This was posted by ausdpr recently in the "maintain a DD Archive" thread and offers an idea of perspective of Amazons and In-Betweeners.

Also, just now had a question I thought of and wanted to share: Amazons in the Diaper Dimension generally believe Littles, and to a lesser extent In-Betweeners, are incapable of functioning on an adult level, hence the childish treatment. My question to you: Are they right?

In your opinion, are Littles in the Diaper Dimension actively deluding themselves with dreams of adulthood that, in reality, they can't handle? Or are Amazons so hardwired to see Littles in this way it never for a moment occurs to most that they are adults in every way except height?

Not sure where I stand yet. I like the idea of playing with the ambiguity though. In Student's Pet, a running theme for the Little protagonist is that she knew ending up in diapers was inevitable, but that's just because that's what Amazons do to Littles, right? Now, maybe not.

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BabyStevie26

I feel like I've said this before in some way or another, but my opinion is whether or not you're viewing it as literal or allegorical.  Whether you look at Littles as extensions of fetishists or as characters in of themselves.

A lot of the "Horror Porn" as I've heard it called (and like to call it)- the "Noooooo I don't wanna be a baby" stuff- comes from a place of self-loathing and the disgust at one's desires.  The main character on a subconscious level just KNOWS that they shouldn't want to be a baby and that they must fight this regression.  If society knew they wanted to be treated as such they'd be mocked.  And yet, the drives and impulses always win out in the end and the person is dragged kicking and crying towards their desires.  It's a metaphorical AB Binge and Purge cycle given literary form, typically ending or at least focusing on the ultimate binge. 

Alternatively, if the writer or reader is a Daddy/Mommy type, they get to savor the struggle of the AB and watch as they finally submit and give in.  But I'm not terribly Dominant or a Daddy, so I can't be particularly articulate or speak from a point of personal expertise or knowledge on that.  

Point is, a lot of these stories play out as fantastical versions of pre-negotiated roleplay scenes of struggle, regression, and submission.  Even if the Little (the kink term, not the DD term) starts the scene struggling or resisting, the ultimate goal for both parties is submission.  In that context, the Diaper Dimension is really just a world where these tendencies and desires take physical approximation and it is socially permissible and even encouraged.  Viewed through that lens, every Little (the DD term, not the kink term) is an AB who deep down wants to be babied 24/7 but a matter of pride or shame or ego won't let them give in, so they need a meddling Amazon (who in turn wants to be nurturing and/or dominant and treat someone like a baby always, but only if they're not really a baby,) to facilitate.

Viewed as characters in of themselves and not just a window for a fetishist or kinkster to live vicariously through, absolutely not.  Littles are in a world where giants either through hardwiring (like an overpowering maternal/paternal instinct) or social constructs  are determined to demean and in a way, dehumanize them by never fully conferring the rights of adulthood and competence by treating those rights as privileges.  The Littles are infantilized against their will and it's through what amounts to conditioning, stockholm syndrome, brainwashing, chemical addiction, or any myriad of other ways to force someone to act against their own best intrests that they remain imprisoned.

That all being said: I like your work in this universe and look forward to reading more.  I like how the characters interact and examine their own motivations, preconceptions and attitudes regarding this setting. 

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Thanks for the complement Personalias. Though in fairness I should confess I haven't put nearly as much thought into this as you clearly have. I just tend to explore ideas or concepts that I don't otherwise see. Such as a Little who was raised in babyhood from an early age like Eloise, a girl who is torn between seeing Littles as she's been taught vs what she sees for herself like her sister, or how Littles react to the inevitably of babyhood.

While still unsure where I fall on Littles, I have come to feel that Amazons, as characters, legitimately do not see Littles as anything but children who don't grow up. The ones who do still might, at best, see them as equivalent of invalids who can't function without help and, at worst, a way to engage in the more demeaning kind of power fantasy.

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That's what I like about your stories set in the DD.
 

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