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All good points. You may not know this but in past threads we had somewhat come to a general consensus that a diapers capacity is not what they rate them at with blue colored water. In reality, a diapers actual capacity is how much urine it can absorb when worn on a person's body. Obviously this means everyone's mileage will vary.

My own experience is that I actually can get a dry diaper to reach their rated 96oz (about 2800 milliliters). Where as any diaper that does not use actual lower tapes (middle and upper, often with a tape landing zone), will leak on me well before ever reaching half capacity. In other words, a soft paws likely will not hold more than 2000 milliliters (about 68oz).

We've already covered the costs and that I will always take the most cost effective packaging/shipping. Ergo, my math came out to more than double the cost, and at less than half the absorbency.

For what it's worth, I have also found that these kind of diapers with the higher tapes only work good if you are wearing a size too small. With diapers like these a common problem is the tapes popping off, splitting in the rear, and them generally feeling tighter. If this works for you then obviously your mileage will vary greatly from mine.

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All good points. You may not know this but in past threads we had somewhat come to a general consensus that a diapers capacity is not what they rate them at with blue colored water. In reality, a diapers actual capacity is how much urine it can absorb when worn on a person's body. Obviously this means everyone's mileage will vary.

My own experience is that I actually can get a dry diaper to reach their rated 96oz (about 2800 milliliters). Where as any diaper that does not use actual lower tapes (middle and upper, often with a tape landing zone), will leak on me well before ever reaching half capacity. In other words, a soft paws likely will not hold more than 2000 milliliters (about 68oz).

We've already covered the costs and that I will always take the most cost effective packaging/shipping. Ergo, my math came out to more than double the cost, and at less than half the absorbency.

For what it's worth, I have also found that these kind of diapers with the higher tapes only work good if you are wearing a size too small. With diapers like these a common problem is the tapes popping off, splitting in the rear, and them generally feeling tighter. If this works for you then obviously your mileage will vary greatly from mine.

 

Then before you claim that a Soft Paws holds less than half of a Dry 24/7, you may want to actually test it yourself.  And I'm not sure what math you are using, but 2000 millilitres is not less than half of 2800 millilitres.  Perhaps you are using 2800 hex versus 2000 base 10.....

 

The only math you showed was when you cherry-picked that a case of Dry 24/7s is more than twice as cheap per diaper than a Soft Paws when sold as a single bag.  Claiming that the cost of a single diaper when purchasing a case is cheaper than the cost of a single diaper when purchasing a bag is like saying water is wet.  And as a reminder, Soft Paws diapers are $1.67 per diaper when buying 48, and $1.56 per diaper when buying 96.

 

But let's have a little more fun.  Let's match them, diaper per diaper.  Even though it may cost more because Soft Paws does not have a 72 diaper price, let's see how much 72 Soft Paws diapers are going to cost compared to Dry 24/7......

 

  • Soft Paws set the cost of 48 diapers at $80
  • Soft Paws set the cost of 24 diapers at $55
  • So to buy 72 diapers from Soft Paws costs $135
  • When buying 72 diapers from Soft Paws, the cost is $1.88 per diaper
  • XP Medical set the cost of 72 Dry 24/7 diapers at $99.95
  • When buying 72 Dry 24/7 diapers at XP Medical, the cost is $1.38 per diaper
  • For a diaper to cost twice as much as Dry 24/7, a diaper much cost at least $2.76 per diaper
  • $1.88 is less than $2.76
  • Ergo (nice word, by the way), Soft Paws do not cost more than twice of a Dry 24/7.  

But you know, maybe I'm not being unfair enough to Soft Paws.  Let's make this even worse for them.  Let's use their non-limited time prices, but use XP Medical's limited time prices, shall we?  And we'll use large size to maximize the cost for Soft Paws.

 
  • Soft Paws set the non-limited time cost of 48 large diapers at $98.40
  • Soft Paws set the non-limited time cost of 24 large diapers at $61.20
  • So to buy 72 diapers from Soft Paws at non-limited time pricing will cost $159.60
  • When buying 72 diapers from Soft Paws at non-limited time pricing, the cost is $2.22 per diaper
  • XP Medical set the cost of 72 Dry 24/7 diapers at $99.95
  • When buying 72 Dry 24/7 diapers at XP Medical, the cost is $1.38 per diaper
  • For a diaper to cost twice as much as Dry 24/7, a diaper much cost at least $2.76 per diaper
  • $2.22 is less than $2.76
  • Ergo again, Soft Paws do not cost more than twice of a Dry 24/7.  

 

And just because, why not list each option to see how much Soft Paws costs versus the case price of Dry 24/7?

 

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So the only time that Soft Paws will cost more than twice a Dry 24/7 is when you compare the single bag per piece rate.  

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This is very nice. It's like you're trying to use logic to say gravity pushes you away from an object. I've said what I've said and stick by it. I'm done arguing with you on this. Use what ever comparisons or logic you want because I don't care any more.

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This is very nice. It's like you're trying to use logic to say gravity pushes you away from an object. I've said what I've said and stick by it. I'm done arguing with you on this. Use what ever comparisons or logic you want because I don't care any more.

 

"Still, a man he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

 

- Paul Simon, "The Boxer"

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This is very nice. It's like you're trying to use logic to say gravity pushes you away from an object. I've said what I've said and stick by it. I'm done arguing with you on this. Use what ever comparisons or logic you want because I don't care any more.

 

That's fine.  This thread will live on with or without any more of your opinions.

 

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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"your statement is not only illogical but also unworthy or refutation" Leopard Nimoy.

Darned autocorrect. Yeah I did mean "of" and I did mean "Leonard". And he did say it while playing as the character Spock but it was still Nimoy that said it.

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Well, I don't know who "Leopard" Nimoy is, but somehow I'm not shocked that you feel the need to try and get the last word in, no matter how petty it comes off.  You don't even realize that your position has been trashed to death here, yet you stubbornly stick with it as though it were everyone else participating in the thread cherry-picking data and inventing facts to suit their conclusions...

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Well, I don't know who "Leopard" Nimoy is, but somehow I'm not shocked that you feel the need to try and get the last word in, no matter how petty it comes off.  You don't even realize that your position has been trashed to death here, yet you stubbornly stick with it as though it were everyone else participating in the thread cherry-picking data and inventing facts to suit their conclusions...

 

Actually the character Spock said it, and I believe it's supposed to be "unworthy OF refutation", but I digress......
 
He can have the last word -- no big deal to me.  It would be nice to understand how he came up with his position that Soft Paws costs over twice as much as a Dry 24/7, and is less than half as absorbent as a Dry 24/7.   It's not easy to make circumstances where his position is correct.  But I'll try....
 
First, I'd have to buy six (6) bags of Soft Paws, but order them one at a time over a short time period, or insist to Soft Paws not to give me a price break.  So the math on that is 6 bags times $40.80 equals $244.80, which is over twice of the cost of 72 Dry 24/7s when purchased from XP Medical.
 
To make the Soft Paws diaper less than half the absorbency of a Dry 24/7 is tougher.  First, I have to assume that one can get all 2800 millilitres of urine into a Dry 24/7 without leaking, simply due to the wider spaced lower tapes. Second, if the Soft Paws diaper holds less than half of a Dry 24/7, then I have to assume that the Soft Paws will leak at or below 1400 millilitres.  Since the Soft Paws' specs show it is supposed to be able to hold 4 litres, I have to assume the diaper can actually only hold 35% or less of that.  Third, I have to assume the actual Soft Paws diaper will perform as poorly as speculated.
 
So that is an example of the circumstances where a Soft Paws diaper can cost twice as much as a Dry 24/7 with half the absorbency of the Dry 24/7.

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Actually the character Spock said it, and I believe it's supposed to be "unworthy OF refutation", but I digress......

He can have the last word -- no big deal to me. It would be nice to understand how he came up with his position that Soft Paws costs over twice as much as a Dry 24/7, and is less than half as absorbent as a Dry 24/7. It's not easy to make circumstances where his position is correct. But I'll try....

First, I'd have to buy six (6) bags of Soft Paws, but order them one at a time over a short time period, or insist to Soft Paws not to give me a price break. So the math on that is 6 bags times $40.80 equals $244.80, which is over twice of the cost of 72 Dry 24/7s when purchased from XP Medical.

To make the Soft Paws diaper less than half the absorbency of a Dry 24/7 is tougher. First, I have to assume that one can get all 2800 millilitres of urine into a Dry 24/7 without leaking, simply due to the wider spaced lower tapes. Second, if the Soft Paws diaper holds less than half of a Dry 24/7, then I have to assume that the Soft Paws will leak at or below 1400 millilitres. Since the Soft Paws' specs show it is supposed to be able to hold 4 litres, I have to assume the diaper can actually only hold 35% or less of that. Third, I have to assume the actual Soft Paws diaper will perform as poorly as speculated.

So that is an example of the circumstances where a Soft Paws diaper can cost twice as much as a Dry 24/7 with half the absorbency of the Dry 24/7.

Last word or not doesn't bother me, what does bother me is when people start speaking incorrectly on my behalf, or without my consent, or miss-quoting me.

You are out of line, please apologize.

And fyi, you were the one that said you wanted the single packs so that is why I compared them instead of by the case. I will always compare them by the case is certainly I know it is a much better deal. Yes I can get a dry diaper to absorb all (though I sometimes change sooner to mitigate the risk of leaks). And yes this is mostly due to the tapes being position ed lower which provides a better seal that leaks much, much less often. Like I said before, have g the tapes positioned higher away from the legs does not allow for that same seal. Every diaper I have ever tried which had this, has and will leak on me long before reaching even half their rated capacity. This is their actual usable capacity, I just increased it to half for simplicity and to at least be so, we had fair to the manufacturers in spite them having poor designs that dot work. Again, like I said before though, if you wear a size too small then your fit will be tight enough to not leak. If that's what you like then fine, but I do not like having the problems associated with wearing a small diaper. And fyi 1oz equals 29.5ml,so 96oz equals about 2800ml. I said I can reach full capacity of a dry diaper (2800ml), but at best only half of a soft paws (2000ml). Since 2000 is less than 2800 my last statements still stand. And finally, yes I do assume the same general design of a soft paws diaper which generally matches the same design and fit as every other one I've tried will also perform generally the same. This is not a hard concept to understand- really.

Now please do go ahead and refute this all you want. This is after all only my opinion which I have formed based on the facts and my personal experiences.

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Last word or not doesn't bother me, what does bother me is when people start speaking incorrectly on my behalf, or without my consent, or miss-quoting me.

You are out of line, please apologize.

And fyi, you were the one that said you wanted the single packs so that is why I compared them instead of by the case. I will always compare them by the case is certainly I know it is a much better deal. Yes I can get a dry diaper to absorb all (though I sometimes change sooner to mitigate the risk of leaks). And yes this is mostly due to the tapes being position ed lower which provides a better seal that leaks much, much less often. Like I said before, have g the tapes positioned higher away from the legs does not allow for that same seal. Every diaper I have ever tried which had this, has and will leak on me long before reaching even half their rated capacity. This is their actual usable capacity, I just increased it to half for simplicity and to at least be so, we had fair to the manufacturers in spite them having poor designs that dot work. Again, like I said before though, if you wear a size too small then your fit will be tight enough to not leak. If that's what you like then fine, but I do not like having the problems associated with wearing a small diaper. And fyi 1oz equals 29.5ml,so 96oz equals about 2800ml. I said I can reach full capacity of a dry diaper (2800ml), but at best only half of a soft paws (2000ml). Since 2000 is less than 2800 my last statements still stand. And finally, yes I do assume the same general design of a soft paws diaper which generally matches the same design and fit as every other one I've tried will also perform generally the same. This is not a hard concept to understand- really.

Now please do go ahead and refute this all you want. This is after all only my opinion which I have formed based on the facts and my personal experiences.

 

 

I have nothing to apologize for.  Your line read verbatim, "Ergo, my math came out to more than double the cost, and at less than half the absorbency."  I simply tried to recreate this, and in fact, I was able to figure out a way to recreate this in my last post.  Based on what you just typed, it appears I accurately understood your reasoning.

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I have nothing to apologize for.  Your line read verbatim, "Ergo, my math came out to more than double the cost, and at less than half the absorbency."  I simply tried to recreate this, and in fact, I was able to figure out a way to recreate this in my last post.  Based on what you just typed, it appears I accurately understood your reasoning.

 

That's right, but I believe now where you got confused on this. To reiterate; The soft paws cost twice as much (based on yours and my original purchase comparisons), and the soft paws will have about half of their rated capacity (based on how they are made and perform- at least on me). Once again, my statement still holds, you just miss-understood (to which I forgive you).

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That's right, but I believe now where you got confused on this. To reiterate; The soft paws cost twice as much (based on yours and my original purchase comparisons), and the soft paws will have about half of their rated capacity (based on how they are made and perform- at least on me). Once again, my statement still holds, you just miss-understood (to which I forgive you).

 

I'm not confused at all.  At no point did anyone deny that diapers in a single bag of Soft Paws bag are over twice as expensive per diaper than Dry 24/7's case per diaper rate.    

 

As for changing it from half the absorbency of a Dry 24/7 to half of its listed absorbency, I considered that earlier; but it makes no sense.  Why would you compare the price of a Dry 24/7 to a Soft Paw, but then compare the listed absorbency of a Soft Paw to your opinion of the actual absorbency of a Soft Paw?  Because then virtually any diaper,could make this statement true: "Ergo, my math came out to more than double the cost, and at less than half the absorbency"  In fact, since the absorbency of the diaper being compared to the Soft Paw isn't compared in this to anything, you could compare case per piece prices of Depends, Able Wing-fold, and even Soft Paws (at 48 or 96 units) to the single bag per-piece price of Soft Paws, and the statement would still be true.

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See, he was done arguing, until someone disagreed with him again.   :screwy:

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See, he was done arguing, until someone disagreed with him again. :screwy:

I am done arguing over their cost and performance. I've said what I needed to and if you're still confused then maybe you should try re-reading everything from the beginning.

What I will never be done with is people miss-quoting, or otherwise miss-directing what I've said. Of course, when I get a continuing question about something I'm going to answer it as well.

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Ooooooooohhhhh! A fight over which diaper is the best!

I likey

 

Well anyways,sorry to break your arugment bubble but the the diaper on Kickstarter been taken down for some unknown reason. The Company is wondering if Kickstarter thought it was a "fetish"item even though it was aproved by Kickstarter and was talked about behind closed doors.

 

Oddly no one has talked about this but why did Kickstarter aprove an item like this in the first place??? Kickstarter normally dosnt allow for Health items to have a Kickstarter from what I been told so...what happend?

 

 

 

Dry 247 is okish. I liked the old moddle but when they changed the diaper core over to somthing like cardboard and paper thin. I just stopped wearing them alltogether. I even leaked the new ones easy cause of the terrable wicking ability the new Dry 247 is. I can understand if your IC and need somthing that can fit you well but....I liked the old Dry 24/7s and I allways will but the new ones I managed to push them to Teddy diaper territority instead of 30% more absorbancy of Bambino Bellmisios from the old moddle.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the Kickstarter - this isn't what they would call a "creative" project.  I know, I tried to roll one through there myself...

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Maybe that's just because kickstarter didn't even remotely realize there are a half dozen other adult diaper exactly like it (aside from the print design). I really do believe they would have done better if they had tried to make a better design- then put their prints on it.

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Maybe that's just because kickstarter didn't even remotely realize there are a half dozen other adult diaper exactly like it (aside from the print design). I really do believe they would have done better if they had tried to make a better design- then put their prints on it.

 

Actually, it makes more sense for Dry Care to do that, not the startup.  Dry Care is here in the states, and since changing the plastic backing sheet is apparently easy and inexpensive, the startup could find themselves trying to compete with a company that can easily keep their costs lower.

 

There's precedent for that.  I used to like the Secure Care X-Plus diaper, and then Bambino came out with their diapers.  It didn't take a genius to see that Bambinos were pretty much the same as Secure Care diapers, just with a different tape landing strip. Quick research showed both companies used the same mailing address, so I assume the companies are either related, or are the same company with two web sites.  

 

I imagine the people at Dry Care know about AB/DLs.  If they do market research that shows it could be profitable to produce a whole color design diaper with all of the other features of a Dry 24/7 that you like, you may be in luck.

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Actually, the folks at DryCare probably already did their market research and discovered that the vast majority of their customers ARE AB/DL's, and hence it's of no significant financial benefit to them to start up a "designer" diaper company to appeal to people who already are the majority of their customer base.

 

Let's face it, DryCare moved their operations to the US because the Euro market was soft, while the US market was booming.

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Seems a shame that Kickstarter pulled it, not sure if you looked into Indiegogo same sort of thing as kickstarter but not sure if they have the same rules on that mite be worth looking into, also you have gofundme but again dont know there rules on that.

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Actually, the folks at DryCare probably already did their market research and discovered that the vast majority of their customers ARE AB/DL's, and hence it's of no significant financial benefit to them to start up a "designer" diaper company to appeal to people who already are the majority of their customer base.

 

 

Certainly possible.  I'd love to know the sales volume for the larger AB/DL suppliers, just to get an idea how big (or how small) the market is.

 

Since ABUniverse folded (and who knows if it will ever really come back), there could be an opportunity for some supplier to pick up additional customers.

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Seems a shame that Kickstarter pulled it, not sure if you looked into Indiegogo same sort of thing as kickstarter but not sure if they have the same rules on that mite be worth looking into, also you have gofundme but again dont know there rules on that.

 

Indiegogo would probably work.  gofundme is strictly non-prof "charity" cases.  As I said before, I tried to roll a kickstarter for PetiteAB and they refused to launch it because it wasn't what they considered a "creative" project.

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Indiegogo would probably work.  gofundme is strictly non-prof "charity" cases.  As I said before, I tried to roll a kickstarter for PetiteAB and they refused to launch it because it wasn't what they considered a "creative" project.

 

Thanks for the info on gofundme not sure on there rules as not something i have looked into myself :)

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Actually, the folks at DryCare probably already did their market research and discovered that the vast majority of their customers ARE AB/DL's, and hence it's of no significant financial benefit to them to start up a "designer" diaper company to appeal to people who already are the majority of their customer base.

 

Let's face it, DryCare moved their operations to the US because the Euro market was soft, while the US market was booming.

 

Just outta curiosity how do you know DryCare did market research and got those results?  I'm not in any way saying you're wrong just wanted to know how you know.  I find that fascinating because a few years back DryCare made it a point on their website to state "for people who actually need them".  Making a dig at ABDL's.  Which I thought was hilarious.  

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Just outta curiosity how do you know DryCare did market research and got those results?  I'm not in any way saying you're wrong just wanted to know how you know.  I find that fascinating because a few years back DryCare made it a point on their website to state "for people who actually need them".  Making a dig at ABDL's.  Which I thought was hilarious.  

 

It's not hard - all the top brands are coming out of Europe - Moli, Abena, etc., while the US has few domestic premium brands.  They saw the opportunity in a market with less overall competition.

 

Unfortunately for them, the dollar is super-strong thanks to every other developed nation absolutely gutting their currency, so those imports get tougher to compete against.

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