Adisc Now 18+ Only

[Spiderman]

9 minutes ago, Little Christine said:

Well, if you already have an account at a place, your IPS address is on file or can begotten easily. If you didn't have an account and knew DPF was entertaining minors, then you would have had to find out somehow, Again, from an IPS address, you general location can be found, so all DPF whould have to do is see who were subscribers to the Newsletter in that area

This is true.   I was just talking in general instead of DPF, because it was still good before my time, and when I started joining it is when the pedos took over.

[Nat]

This can happen on any website. Creeps pose as teens all the time in chat rooms, forums, anywhere which is why parents need to teach their kids internet safety and school should teach that in class too like they have with talking to strangers and what to do if an adult is making you feeling unsafe. It would be stupid to blame the ABDL website because this could have happened on an autism forum or on a gaming forum or a mental illness forum or even on a tech forum, etc. Also if the kid claims to live in the same area and wants to meet up, the kid needs to tell their parent about it and talk to the kid themselves online and arrange a meet up and go with their child to a public place. 

I also can't fault the adult if a minor poses as an adult and steals adult photos of someone and poses it as themselves. So adults out there, save all your PMs and emails and IMs so you have proof they told you they were married with kids or claimed to be in their 30's and they never mentioned being a minor just in case you get investigated because someone lied to you about their age when in fact they were a minor and their parents found out and decided to press charges. It is automatically assumed the kid is the victim, not the other way around. Kids can be deceiving too as creeps. Kids need to be taught how much serious trouble they can get the adult into for lying about their own age and it's illegal to have sexual contact with a minor and then they might have to register as a sex offender and they can destroy their life because they pretended they were an adult. So far, we have no laws that protect adults against minors who use fake IDs and lie about their age. Which is why I also say do not have sex with anyone young looking you meet even if they claim to be 23. Get to know them, meet their family first, etc. and do not do anything sexual yet. 

[Firefly 35]

2 hours ago, Little Christine said:

Well, if you already have an account at a place, your IPS address is on file or can begotten easily. If you didn't have an account and knew DPF was entertaining minors, then you would have had to find out somehow, Again, from an IPS address, you general location can be found, so all DPF whould have to do is see who were subscribers to the Newsletter in that area

There are some programs that can mask your ip adress, plus someone could just use a proxy, and in that case their location would show up as wherever the proxy server is located.  So, what you're saying would work most of the time, but some people will still find their way around the rules.

[Nat]

But most places ban users who use a proxy IP. Those who have to hide indicates they are up to no good. 

[rusty pins]

The whole idea here is not to encourage kids to be active in these communities and on these sites in the first place.  True they can fake a profile, both adults and underage kids and chat in chat rooms and things like that.  The point here is not as much that these people are doing it and getting away with it on some sites.  It's about people wanting to have a place for underage teens to go to on these sites in the first place, encouraging them to participate among themselves.  My point is NO!  Wait until they are 18 or over before they can join and discourage anyone younger and ban them.  Mikey does a great job once he is aware a minor has joined.  On Diapermates I often see a new person sign up and list their age as 18 or over, but in their actual profile they say something like, "I'm actually only 14".  I report them immediately and usually by the next morning they have been removed.  The sad thing is I sometimes see other members posting on these underage profiles and interacting with them!  GEEZ!  Don't people even read profiles anymore?  I guess not since someone from Diapermates hit me with a PM calling me baby and asking me if I need a pacifier and a change.  My profile clearly states I am DL and not at all into AB stuff.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The original point of DPG's under-age section was to help young persons, who could not participate at the adult level, to cope with the stresses of being ABDL with the hoep of selected counsellors and mentors, in a safe, segregated environment. I though this was a worthy goal

[willnotwill]

23 hours ago, Spiderman said:

This is true.   I was just talking in general instead of DPF, because it was still good before my time, and when I started joining it is when the pedos took over.

It wasn't so much the pedos but the lack of any sort of moderation on the board which meant it immediately became overrun by spammers like the USENET asfd group.

I agree with RustyPins.    On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog as the cartoon goes.    People over 18, claim to me minors.    Minors claim to be adults.    I pretty much suspect most of the "minors" posting to be lying adults on sites.     There have been a few times on ADISC and here where a few minors who claim to be adults (primarily to get around the age restrictions), slip up.   Those get reported.

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[DailyDiapers]

I don't feel there is anyway to provide a truly safe place for teens when it comes to something that crosses the line between lifestyle, identity and FETISH. Because there is always that sexual component in this community, the risk of predators trying to abuse a mixed-age community is more than zero, and therefor it's not a risk I am willing to take.

That firm stand negates all other arguments as I am "the decider" when it comes to such things in my sandbox, but just to clarify:

People always bring up the differing "age of consent" rules in different states and countries. I myself live in a "16" state... but that does not matter. When it comes to the internet I have to abide by FEDERAL laws in the US. Everything online is federal because of interstate commerce laws (our data bouncing off servers in different states, even when talking to someone local) and the federal law makes it a crime to solicit anyone under 18. This also applies to images, so while you can fuck a 16 year old in Alabama, you can't send a picture of her/him as it's child porn. For everyone's protection I abide by the federal standard.

And young people are dumb. Sorry, but it is true on a scientific level. Hormones and underdeveloped brains = trouble. Even when they know it's wrong they seek out older partners, and take nude selfies; and can get adults in real trouble without considering the consequences. It is up to us adults not to provide a place to make those situations possible.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

No argument from me: I saw what happened to DPF. It would be more trouble than it is worth. Like I said elsewhere JUST  DON'T!

[Nat]

1 hour ago, DailyDiapers said:

I don't feel there is anyway to provide a truly safe place for teens when it comes to something that crosses the line between lifestyle, identity and FETISH. Because there is always that sexual component in this community, the risk of predators trying to abuse a mixed-age community is more than zero, and therefor it's not a risk I am willing to take.

That firm stand negates all other arguments as I am "the decider" when it comes to such things in my sandbox, but just to clarify:

People always bring up the differing "age of consent" rules in different states and countries. I myself live in a "16" state... but that does not matter. When it comes to the internet I have to abide by FEDERAL laws in the US. Everything online is federal because of interstate commerce laws (our data bouncing off servers in different states, even when talking to someone local) and the federal law makes it a crime to solicit anyone under 18. This also applies to images, so while you can fuck a 16 year old in Alabama, you can't send a picture of her/him as it's child porn. For everyone's protection I abide by the federal standard.

And young people are dumb. Sorry, but it is true on a scientific level. Hormones and underdeveloped brains = trouble. Even when they know it's wrong they seek out older partners, and take nude selfies; and can get adults in real trouble without considering the consequences. It is up to us adults not to provide a place to make those situations possible.

I knew when I was 12 that if I have sex with an adult, they get in trouble and I knew child porn was wrong so I knew if an adult saw a photo of me nude, they can get in trouble with the law and I found sex revolting then and wouldn't want it. I must have been one smart teen and I was obsessed with what the laws were and always watched lifetime drama movies. 

 

And it wouldn't have occurred to me to lie to be on adult websites and I found adult stuff gross and only wanted the innocence of diapers and infantilism. 

[willnotwill]

My wife found our son using my credit card number not to buy things but to validate his age to some of the porn sites.

 

[Nat]

I took my parents credit card when I was 15 to buy a video game that was only $1.99 and it came to six bucks because of shipping. I thought it was just borrowing money from them and you give them the money back you borrowed. I knew then if you use a credit card, the company charges you for it. You just have to pay back the amount you spent. I didn't know I had committed a felony lol. But my parents talked to me about it and used an analogy and I realized I stole but they were cool with it and said I learned from my mistake and I won't do it again. They told me next time I want to buy something online, come to them first and ask for their credit card because they have certain ones they used and I had used the wrong one. 

 

I often hear about teens with behavior stealing their parents credit cards buying things but the difference is they don't care and they know what they are doing but they just don't care. It's not a mistake they are making because it's a continuous thing. Most kids will do it once and then not do it again after you talk to them. But talk to these behavior teens, they don't care. 

[Firefly 35]

1 hour ago, willnotwill said:

My wife found our son using my credit card number not to buy things but to validate his age to some of the porn sites.

 

Yikes.  I hope you don't have any fraudulent charges on your card.  

I think a lot of teens do stuff like that with good intentions at first (to register on a diaper site so they can be understood, to "borrow" money off a credit card and pay it back later, etc), but don't realize what they are doing until later.  I'm not saying it's ok to do that, but I just think it's something we have to be aware of if teens are going that far to do stuff like that.

[willnotwill]

Nope, never saw a charge.   This was quite some time ago when a lot of otherwise free sites were using credit card number validation (they didn't even actually run the number, but there are a handful of consistency checks you can run the number itself).

[Firefly 35]

16 hours ago, willnotwill said:

Nope, never saw a charge.   This was quite some time ago when a lot of otherwise free sites were using credit card number validation (they didn't even actually run the number, but there are a handful of consistency checks you can run the number itself).

Why did they do that?

[willnotwill]

This was right after the communications decency act.   Sites wanted an easy age verification.   If you had a credit card, they figured you were over 18.   Of course, the sites weren't set up to do proper credit card lookups, so they just ran the consistency checks on the card number to determine if it COULD be a real card (there's a check digits and based on the first digit, there are some constraints on the others).   Of course, it wasn't long until someone wrote a program to generate random "valid" numbers for people to use negating all that.

[ClawdiaWolf]

On 11/7/2017 at 8:38 AM, Spokane Girl said:

I am glad I lived in times where both teens and adults were posting on the same websites. There used to even be websites for teens. DPF had one and there were yahoo groups about it, and ADISC started out as a teen forum before changing its name to ADISC and switching websites. I remember Bravenet and Network54. I believe the abdlstoryforum index is the only place that still allows teens but that website is very slow due to low activity. Don't get me wrong, Dailydiapers has always been 18 plus and wetset too and I didn't go to those places because I only wanted the stories, I didn't want to see pictures of cocks and pussies and stuff and seeing posts about wetting and pooping their diapers. I wanted diaper stories and I remember I couldn't really access this place anyway and didn't think they have diaper stories here for me to read. 

 

On 11/7/2017 at 10:46 AM, Little Christine said:

Not a good idea at all. The legal ramifications of adults interacting with minors on a fetish/sex board, even if the internt gods would let you, would ensnare any entity in a web that is so tangled and complex that we would lose the whole ABDL internet structure. Nobody of any intelligence or sanity would go near the sites that allow the interaction for fear of being caught up in it. It did not take long for DPF to go under once they started publishing letters from minors and allowing general interaction between adults and minors. They started to include minors but in a very restricted way, then the restrictions were loosened and it was not long before they were gone. DD also lost people when the tiger underwear and related things came up about a decade ago

Hi. I'm the person who handles the day to day admin work on ABDL story Forum and Spokane Girl's post was pointed out to me in our chat earlier so I want to respond to.

It's not strictly true that we allow teens, we allow them, but only with verified parental/guardian consent. If we find teens who lied about their age or who are up front about it but don't get the consent form filled out and verified, we ban them. Officially I know of 25 teens with active accounts and I and my attorney both have copies of the consent forms and recordings of the phone calls with the parents/guardians on file for all of them. That 25 count includes my niece.

I'll be honest if it wasn't for the fact that the rules of the forum pretty much eliminate most of the content that would be an issue and the fact that teens don't have access to any of the private communication systems I wouldn't allow it at all, not even for my niece. When I made the decision to do it the way we do it was after a very long conversation with multiple attorneys who helped setup the verification system we use.

It also helps that we strictly enforce the rule of not sharing of personal information, including IM information, for teens. That's a one way ticket to bantown.

Now, that all said, I absolutely think that that most ABDL related sites should be 18+ and enforce it. For most sites it's probably not worth it to allow under 18s even if they're the most vanilla site possible given the subject matter. It is a royal pain in the ass to deal with all the legal bookkeeping and other behinds the scene crap that has to be dealt with on a regular basis because we allow teens at all, even if it is such a small number.

 

[willnotwill]

Yeah, did you guys ever get your freaking story straight on underage characters in stories.   The abuse I suffered from the so-called ADISC moderators (and the bumsrush I was given when I offered to help) is one of the reasons my content will never be allowed there.   I've already had to DMCA pirated material of mine you allowed.

[Nat]

8 hours ago, ClawdiaWolf said:

 

Hi. I'm the person who handles the day to day admin work on ABDL story Forum and Spokane Girl's post was pointed out to me in our chat earlier so I want to respond to.

It's not strictly true that we allow teens, we allow them, but only with verified parental/guardian consent. If we find teens who lied about their age or who are up front about it but don't get the consent form filled out and verified, we ban them. Officially I know of 25 teens with active accounts and I and my attorney both have copies of the consent forms and recordings of the phone calls with the parents/guardians on file for all of them. That 25 count includes my niece.

I'll be honest if it wasn't for the fact that the rules of the forum pretty much eliminate most of the content that would be an issue and the fact that teens don't have access to any of the private communication systems I wouldn't allow it at all, not even for my niece. When I made the decision to do it the way we do it was after a very long conversation with multiple attorneys who helped setup the verification system we use.

It also helps that we strictly enforce the rule of not sharing of personal information, including IM information, for teens. That's a one way ticket to bantown.

Now, that all said, I absolutely think that that most ABDL related sites should be 18+ and enforce it. For most sites it's probably not worth it to allow under 18s even if they're the most vanilla site possible given the subject matter. It is a royal pain in the ass to deal with all the legal bookkeeping and other behinds the scene crap that has to be dealt with on a regular basis because we allow teens at all, even if it is such a small number.

 

So you guys changed it too. 

[diapersalways]

13 hours ago, ClawdiaWolf said:

I ... work on ABDL story Forum...

 

10 hours ago, willnotwill said:

Yeah, ... you... ADISC... you...

 

https://abdlstoryforum.info is not the same site as http://www.adisc.org

[Elfy]

I find it really strange that this is an issue for people now when internet laws are toughening everywhere. There is no way in hell that letting minors on to a site like this in any way helps anyone.

A lot of people say being a teenager is confusing and I agree it is... But if they find themselves thinking about diapers and stuff all they have to do is Goggle it and they will find thousands upon thousands of sites that show they are far from alone and can help with understanding. They do not need to be an active part of the community to achieve understanding.

I was a teenager in the internet age... Don't think access to ABDL content is in any way hard to come by. One Google search and thousands of sites are at your fingertips.

The "adult consent" thing brought up by ClawdiaWolf is even more confusing because I would strongly suspect that the law that requires you to do everything you can to keep minors out would trump a letter signed by a parent...

UK laws are about to get stricter in the new year. Requiring validation of age on an official level when entering any site meant for 18+ audiences and if this site is told it has to comply with these regulations then DD will face the choice of either installing the software with much stricter controls on age or denying this website to what I would think is his second or third biggest user base in the UK. That alone is reason enough to forget the "Let the minors in" argument. Whether you agree with the law or not, if it came to a decision between letting teenagers in or ensuring all the people from the UK have access which would you choose?

DailyDi is right by saying that you can't trust teenagers. Teenagers are rapidly changing, often confused and filled to the brim with hormones. You could have the best intentions in the world but when you let teenagers on they will make bad decisions by sending photos of themselves or getting involved with older people that may be looking to prey on them. This fetish gets confused with paedophilia enough as it is, we don't need to invite that misconception any more than it's already here.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

BTW: we should have a "report" feature on profiles. We just got an under age Timevortex

[Firefly 35]

9 hours ago, Little Christine said:

BTW: we should have a "report" feature on profiles. We just got an under age Timevortex

Isn't that what the "warning points" are for?  Chances are, if you see a post that reveals an underage member, the mods/admins will see it too.  

Flagging the person's profile would not follow the "don't hate the player, hate the game" logic.  Plus, if the person was flagged for inappropriate posts, they may fix their behavior going forward.  If you flag their profile, they won't know what they did wrong.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The person showed up in my visitors and I looked at the profile and the age. Under age, if caught are banned

[rusty pins]

You should contact an admin when you see an underage member.  That will make sure it gets taken care of.  You can find out who the admins are on the site, then just send one a message with the info on the underage member.  Include enough info so they can find and remove the said intruder.