Adisc Now 18+ Only

[SomeThing]

A few hours ago Moo, Adisc's operator, changed the rules of the forum to only allow 18+ registration, citing legal risk and the impracticalities of continuing in its present form.

Read the announcement here: http://www.adisc.org/forum/news/69297-sad-day.html

Since I stopped being a teenager I've been woefully ignorant of TBDL sites - the only ones I remember from my day were DPF's poorly moderated Teen Chat Board, and TeenBabyNet. I was on those sites from the tender age of 12 until I was 15 when I found the babyfur community to be a complete replacement for interaction with the ABDL community (until I quit furry when I was 17 and exiled myself from all ABDL sites on the Internet until I turned 21) - so I guess my experience was atypical as most of the <18s I saw on Adisc were 16-18 anyway.

I wonder what will replace Adisc over time, and if anyone would accept the moderation burden involved with running a U18-friendly site. I haven't been on TBN in years - but the last time I looked it had taken a bit of a creepy turn.

If I were in charge of Adisc, I'd relocate the servers to avoid legal liabilities (if that was an issue), and just restrict U18s to public posting only and prohibit PMs, and require a token Credit Card payment to activate 18+ features, which could be used as a revenue source to fund professional moderation. Maybe Moo wil change his mind?

[Codymoogle]

I think it's very sad, but ultimately a good decision in my opinion. Still, it is very heartwrenching for all the teens of ADISC going through this new update on top of the daily struggles of just being a teen, let alone a TB/DL teen. If only the general public understood that *B/DL does NOT NOT NOT equal or support pedophilia or anything else sick, maybe teens would still have a (safely monitored) haven. I personally didn't like ADISC all that much, but it's still a loss for those teens. At least their accounts are merely frozen until they turn 18 vs. deleted though.

Also, I think it means other sites such as DailyDiapers will be bombarded with minors attempting to sign up. I don't blame them, but it's a concern to watch out for, I think.

~ Cody, AKA moogle

[Forced2wet]

I've been a member of ADISC for a while and post there regularly, I did nt realise it was a site specifically aimed at TB's.

[Mischa]

Like moogs, I see this as a troubling development for the TBDLs and the ABDL-only sites. We in the 18+ community will probably be bombarded by horny teenagers with very few places to go.

I would have personally stopped all minors from joining but then allowed the already-registered minors to stay active, but would have made it so that there are sections for just minors and just adults.

[ItchyTasty]

My personal thought is minors should NOT be on any type of fetish related board.

Fetishes should ONLY in my opinion be discussed between ADULTS.

Having said that kids get sex education at school and the legal age for sex is 16 in the UK, which in my opinion should be made to 18.

As the weird thing in the UK is you can fuck at 16, smoke at 16, not drive to 17,not vote or drink till your 18(in public), or become a pornstar/model until your 18. Why not make it ALL 18....Would be less teenage pregnancies, but maybe not;as quite a few people have underage sex.

So having a forum and/or chatroom for the under 18's for TB's/DL's is stepping on very thin ice between legal and illegal grounds.

Better if the chatroom doesn't exist or is extremely heavily moderated.

I personally think a fetish or lifestyle as extreme as AB/DL should be kept to ADULTS ONLY , not just for legal reasons, but NOT ALL underage kids minds have developed fully which can mess them up in the head even more if they get more and more into that kind of fetish thing.

If minors want to be TB's or DL's then if should be KEPT OFFLINE till they reach 18. Then no additional harm can be done and the forums won't be stepping on thin ice with the law....

Sex education questions is normal,so is bedwetting questions and incontinence help, but anything in extreme is questionable if it involves minors.

And I'm pretty much sure sites like dpf would be shut down eventually and be investigated by the police. As the police don't know if there are peadophiles lurking there or the site owners are peados themselves... such as d*****r

Even if they did nothing wrong, I doubt any site owner wants to go through the headache of all of that and possible arrests.

So all I can say is good on ADISC for making the right decision before something bad happens to them. EVEN WORSE they had adults and minors on the same site.

[SKIP]

A few hours ago Moo, Adisc's operator, changed the rules of the forum to only allow 18+ registration, citing legal risk and the impracticalities of continuing in its present form.

Read the announcement here: http://www.adisc.org...97-sad-day.html

Since I stopped being a teenager I've been woefully ignorant of TBDL sites - the only ones I remember from my day were DPF's poorly moderated Teen Chat Board, and TeenBabyNet. I was on those sites from the tender age of 12 until I was 15 when I found the babyfur community to be a complete replacement for interaction with the ABDL community (until I quit furry when I was 17 and exiled myself from all ABDL sites on the Internet until I turned 21) - so I guess my experience was atypical as most of the <18s I saw on Adisc were 16-18 anyway.

I wonder what will replace Adisc over time, and if anyone would accept the moderation burden involved with running a U18-friendly site. I haven't been on TBN in years - but the last time I looked it had taken a bit of a creepy turn.

If I were in charge of Adisc, I'd relocate the servers to avoid legal liabilities (if that was an issue), and just restrict U18s to public posting only and prohibit PMs, and require a token Credit Card payment to activate 18+ features, which could be used as a revenue source to fund professional moderation. Maybe Moo wil change his mind?

I'm sorry but what is a babyfur??

[ItchyTasty]

I'm sorry but what is a babyfur??

A furry that acts like a baby.

So basically people who have fursuit fetishes or lifestyles but also like the TB/AB part as well.

[messyman]

ItchyTasty, was a lot of your first post sarcasm or do you believe what you type?

[DailyDi]

From the message i wonder if a negative event triggered this. What made them suddenly decide they couldn't protect teens?

The Teen Baby issue is very hard to deal with, They do need a safe place, but it's inappropriate for adults to provide it, and you're only a "teen" for a couple years so teen ones would only last a year or two before it was being run by adults.

[messyman]

They did ban a moderator for having legal but creepy relations with site members. There is probably more going on.

[Mischa]

The way the post was written, it makes me think that it was something they'd been fighting for years.

[messyman]

I kinda wondered why they were willing to take on the amount of liability involved in letting minors on a fetish site when even goodnites shut down thier board.

[adriansurley]

LOL - a long time ago I told them how wrong it was what they were doing and I have made multiple posts about it...and well what comes around goes around. Idiots over there. Thinking they can run a site that actively recruits under 18 people to talk about something that can be deemed very sexual in ways...just asking for trouble and causing problems. Ignorance. Glad somebody over there finally had some brains.

[Baby Brian]

Food for thought; Our civil rights protect against discrimination from age, race, religion, etc. So then why is a 17 year old discriminated in so many ways when an 18 year old isn't?

[Mischa]

Food for thought; Our civil rights protect against discrimination from age, race, religion, etc. So then why is a 17 year old discriminated in so many ways when an 18 year old isn't?

Because there's been an arbitrary rule made whereby when you turn 18, the experience fairy swoops into your room and waves her wand over your head and makes it so that you're able to vote, smoke, and in some places gamble. This same fairy comes back the night you turn 21 and makes it so you're able to drink.

In a perfect world, there'd be a sort of test that'd allow a sixteen year old to have all the rights and responsibilities of an adult. I've known a couple teenagers who have been more mature than many adults I've met.

Personally, I don't think it's fair that an American can fight and die for this country, but can't walk into the bar with his comrades and have a few beers.

[messyman]

Food for thought; Our civil rights protect against discrimination from age, race, religion, etc. So then why is a 17 year old discriminated in so many ways when an 18 year old isn't?

Age discrimination is only illegal when you discrimination against the elder side. There is lots of president to back it up.

[sarah_ab]

Food for thought; Our civil rights protect against discrimination from age, race, religion, etc. So then why is a 17 year old discriminated in so many ways when an 18 year old isn't?

A 17 year your old is not discriminated against, but rather is offered more protection!

We protect those we consider innocent.... we protect our children, and yes there is some question as to the use of hte age 18, but remember when many of these laws were enacted it was when at age 18 you were getting married and moving in to your own home and having your own children.... not as it is now where that happens much later on...

So no we are not discriminating against a 17 year old, we are seeking to protect that 17 year olds innocence and keep them safe from harm, both physical and psychological.

[SomeThing]

I kinda wondered why they were willing to take on the amount of liability involved in letting minors on a fetish site when even goodnites shut down thier board.

I like to think KCC shut down their board because it was full of obvious titilation posts and a waste of time to moderate, not because there was any risk to the site's users (there was no PM feature, for example, and IIRC all posts were moderated before being made public).

[SomeThing]

I'm sorry but what is a babyfur??

ItchyTasty was half-right - but I never had a furry fetish or had anything to do with the sexual-side of furry, I just wanted to pretend I was a panda cub for a while (or rather: I felt like I wanted to be an anthropomorphised panda cub), then I realised how stupid it was, how it was to blame for a series of bad decisions I made in my life, and how there weren't really many people worth knowing in there either.

[spark]

From the message i wonder if a negative event triggered this. What made them suddenly decide they couldn't protect teens?

The Teen Baby issue is very hard to deal with, They do need a safe place, but it's inappropriate for adults to provide it, and you're only a "teen" for a couple years so teen ones would only last a year or two before it was being run by adults.

The bad thing is if they don't get advice from adults, than who do they get advice from. They end up getting it from themselves, which doesn't really help them.

Of course the issue is extremely difficult, because minors don't belong on an an adult site. It opens up a whole can of worms that nobody needs to deal with. Fortunately, I don't believe teens today are going through the same level of isolation and self-doubt that I went through as a teen. They can be perfectly aware that they are not the only ones with feelings TB. They don't understand the feelings, but at least they know that they are not alone.

In the long run, as somebody who has worked with youth, I can vouch that teens don't really listen to your advice anyway. If you have worked with kids you learn the younger teens (middle school) don't listen to a damn word you say, but hear everything you say. As opposed to older teens, who I swear can listen to everything you say, and not hear a damn word of it.

There is a problem because the law makes really know distinction between a 17 year old and 12 year old. Their protections and rights are pretty the same thing, and they are no where near the same level of independence and understanding. The only thing is a complicated issue.

[Dubious]

Well, he did write the reason:

Third, we've gone from being "by teens, for teens" to overwhelmingly adults, with a few teens.

Thats the truth

When I joined it was mostly teens on the site, now its mostly adults, on a teen site

Dont have to be Einstein to figure out that would go wrong at some point

Should have limited the age upwards, to like 20, then they wouldnt have had this problem, but age limits are useless unless you require a CC etc..

[Santiago]

I don't remember ever doing a cc here - do they age verify here?

[SomeThing]

I don't remember ever doing a cc here - do they age verify here?

You can opt-in to be verified 18+ (you'll see some people with badges near their usernames) but I don't really see a need for me to, though some people do it to support the site.

DD does ban people if they explicitly say they're young - so there's probably loads of U18s on this site who pretend to be 18, but nothing we can do about it (and besides, I was issued with a Visa Debit card when I was 16, and you can buy 3V Prepaid Visa vouchers with cash without any age verification from loads of corner-shops).

[Bettypooh]

We do have things which we do to assist in age verification, but we're not telling our secrets and they are not 100% effective Without actually seeing someone in person, there is no 100% effective method to verify 18+ In the US courts, legal culpability is based on the concept of reasonability- in other words would a reasonable person have known there was a violation of this law? Diligence is another court rule applied here- do they make a reasonable effort to stay within the bounds of the law? If we didn't try to verify 18+ we could be closed down or worse And these legal concepts apply pretty much anywhere in the US.

As far as ADISC, it seems they have run into the same thing and have changed to accommodate the law since the server move A site could be owned and operated by someone past their teens while still accommodating teens. To do so successfully would require the owner follow the current trends and attitudes of teens and allow the them; these things change over time and from generation to generation

IMHO (and not the opinion of this site's Admins or owner- just mine) this is an area where ADISC has room for improvement. There is also inconsistency in application of moderation there, possibly due to immature attitudes present on that site- and such immaturity is to be expected from non-adult expressed attitudes Thus to attempt to have a site aimed toward teens is going to have all the problems associated with a general grouping of teens- the forming of cliques, unrestrained overly-strong emotions, rapid escalation of arguments, open discrimination, bashing- we all know what teens are like Again IMHO that would make universal success of something like a teen site of any nature impossible from the start- there would be many who would have issues and leave in a huff no matter what you did or did not do I would not even attempt to create a teen site like this- just too much to deal with for my liking!

And still, there lies the situation of ABDL teens truly existing and how to offer them support? At least ADISC has tried- something few others have done. Now like us, they have run into the realities of this world where you are forced into compliance with laws which you cannot change and a system which neither understands the issues at hand, nor has any desire to do anything except over-zealously prosecute anyone in their sights The risks of non-compliance are real, the possible consequences extending to a personal level, and the costs of defending yourself in a court of law great, so even if you did nothing wrong and proved it the while thing would be a nightmare of epic proportion

I have no dog in any fight at ADISC, rather I look, listen, and learn from what I find there. If I preferred to hang out there I would, but I like here a lot better so I don't go there much. And really, if you have a problem with ADISC or anything that happens on that site, then that is where the resolution to that problem can be found- all we can do here is read yet another 'venting session' in someone's post. OK, we all need to vent sometimes and that is allowed here, but I would ask that you just 'vent' and be done with it- there's no need to kick a dead horse or any need to bash another ABDL website endlessly. There will always be contention this world and there will always be needs filled and unfilled. At least ADISC is trying and in complying with the law they can continue- to me that is a good thing!

Bettypooh

[Bettypooh]

That's what I meant about 'consequences'. Sadly the illegal pressure of 'color of the law' is accepted as valid in the legal world today, as is the refusal to willingly and justly compensate those innocents who are harmed when such things happen. Worst of all is when our own laws and courts do nothing to stop this from happening again

In a local paper today came the story of an older man's vindication from such an over-zealous prosecution. He stopped at a park to pee (something older guys often have to do a lot), and in the bathroom an undercover cop asked why he was there. His honest answer was "For the same reason you're here", with him intending that to mean he was there only to pee, but the cop meaning something entirely different and then arresting him for soliciting sex This guy had spent a lifetime working with youth groups and his arrest was in the news, along with many people saying bad things about him only because of this arrest- he had never done any wrong as best anyone could determine, far from that he was as good a person as people get but he was still raked over the coals anyway The charges were eventually dropped but he had to spend a lot of time and money in court to get the police to publicly say that he was totally innocent of any wrongdoing and that they were the ones who made a mistake There is not way to fully restore this man's reputation, but there is a way to prevent such mistakes from occurring in the future- yet that is NOT the course our laws and courts are currently taking- in fact they are going the other way as fast as they can get away with

Knowing this, we make every effort here to stay well within the bounds of the law as it applies to this website, and we hope you understand the necessity for this in a world where being innocent and making every effort to remain legal is not always enough to keep you from harm. I'm sorry if ADISC had to learn this lesson the hard way and I hope they will be able to continue with their efforts to assist people who can use some help in understanding and dealing with their being ABDL

Bettypooh