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It is amazing how some people just go over the top when they read a misspelled forum post, people are not stupid because they do not have the grammar prowess as others.... just like people who stutter are not stupid either... personally i would say that people that react so quickly on simple things like that have far more issues than someone that cant type,or misspell a few words.... i have noticed lately that the "Spell Checker" has given me some suggestions not even remotely close to the words i misspelled and i was only off by 1 letter....

if you read a misspelled word just get over it and move on there are more important things to get upset about

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Literacy should not be optional for Internet based communication. If you don't have the skills yourself, the least you could do is use the tools provided so that the rest of us can understand what you are trying to say!

I agree its a bit overboard when people jump on every spelling mistake, but when people complain about someone's post that is complete trash, then the op goes on a rant about people being spelling police. I wish I could jump through the screen and choke them out...

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Okay there were some good points made as well. I would have to agree with some of these, such as basic common things. Such as words runing with no spaces ( stufflikethiswoulddrivemenuts), and writing a letter in texting codes as well. To answer a few questions above personally did not know that bold font meant any thing diffrent then this font. I know all capitals is a difrent meaning though.

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It is amazing how some people just go over the top when they read a misspelled forum post, people are not stupid because they do not have the grammar prowess as others.... just like people who stutter are not stupid either... personally i would say that people that react so quickly on simple things like that have far more issues than someone that cant type,or misspell a few words.... i have noticed lately that the "Spell Checker" has given me some suggestions not even remotely close to the words i misspelled and i was only off by 1 letter....

if you read a misspelled word just get over it and move on there are more important things to get upset about

Thanks,this is just about what i wanted to say when so many people jumped all over me for my miss spelled words.I do now have spell check,but befor i had it, it did hurt when people would attack me for my miss spelled words and not even respond to the post i made.I know i have come along way cince i got my first pc.I type with one finger so some times i dont space my words doing it that way.So thanks for saying what i tryed to say.
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3) If the average person read this post, would they think it was written by a kindergartner who had just snorted six pounds of Adderall and typed it as they found their first porno magazine while shooting up heroin and sitting on a rollercoaster?

Okay, this made me laugh so hard that I couldn't breathe. Is it alright if I use it in my signature?

As for the topic at hand, I'm somewhat divided. I can't spell very well, and I know all too well that my grammar can suck at times. I can't spell "convient" "convienent" "convenient", for example. The two crossed out versions were my attempts to spell it on my own. The proper spelling was something I had to look up. That's the other side of the coin - you have the internet. You can look things up, regardless of whether or not you have spellcheck. From what I hear, there used to be books called dictionaries for that. :PNow there are online versions as well as the books themselves, you know!

I think ultimately it comes down to effort. If you really and truly put some effort into making a readable and well thought out post, few people will harass you about it. If you don't care about how you present yourself through your posts, though, don't expect others to care about what you have to say.

~ moogle

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Okay ... this has turned into a debate on the morality of spelling and grammar, basically. So here, this is why I take it all in stride:

If you're from the US, take a trip to the UK, a trolly is a buggy and a trunk is a boot, but a cigarette is still a fag. They add an extra emphasis between many sounds, and ax is axe. People are different, and have very different word patterns in thought. In school you are forced to break your own locale's dialect just for the sake of "proper grammar" and such ... and that's all fine because it gives us a middle ground. But school is NOT real life no matter what people want to believe. The most useful language skills you pick up are from the playground, lunch room, and study hall. This is why grammar nazis are bad, they expect the real world, especially a multicultural and multinational venue, to work how they were taught in school Congratulations on not graduating.

So word of advice before you try to correct something another person types, put yourself in their shoes and consider their life. Hell, language changes on top of all this, the way we speak now is nothing like we did 100 years ago ... and no, Shakespearian is not how we use to speak either. Too many factors when you encounter grammar and spelling that disagrees with you, so either let it slide, or stop communicating with anyone outside your school.

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Grammar changes, so everybody ignore conventions and put less effort into your text than you did last time you sat down to take a dump!

The evolution of language isn't an excuse to disrespect it, or the people you are speaking with, by completely ignoring the rules of it.

This is not equal to the uses of different terms across demographics for specific things. This is people who plainly couldn't give two shits less that what they're reading is barely legible.

This is the way I picture it (not directed at you, Kitten. The "you" in this situation is those who have absolutely no care for their grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc):

You walk into a room where people are doing various art projects. Some people may be fingerpainting, some may be painting in watercolors, some are more skilled than others, but it's obvious that they all care about what they're doing.

So you walk in, pee on a bunch of them, and take a big steaming dump in the middle of the floor.

When they are annoyed that you have disrespected them and their efforts by this complete disregard for what everybody else is doing, you act offended and persecuted.

Edit: Sorry about the scatological terms. <_<

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what i want to know is.. did the OP intentially spell grammar as grammer in the title of this thread?

I wondered about that ,too. Briefly only, though; after a short moment of consideration it dawned on me* that the original poster's headline wasn't in fact criticising the people on this board, but a close, female ancestor.

Which exactly makes the point: accuracy will increase understanding and is thereby preferable. If it's unavoidable, we have to make do with what we've got; not everybody can see how letters work out or when a sentence has the right grammar. And I'm perfectly good with listening to professor Hawking's speech: he can't help it either, but at least he makes sense. If I have to dig for 10 minutes to find out what the meaning of a sentence might be it will make me feel stupid (which I may well be), and feeling stupid is not nice on either side.

* Admittedly wrongly, but who knows how I interpret things? Especially as American English (or, for that matter, any kind of English) is not my first language. But I'm trying my best to be not misunderstood and find it easier if I type properly to avoid ambiguities. Here's an example. The mods filtered out what they thought he means, but the first guess turned out to be wrong. The sense of the rest of the writing, the part not directly referring to the rest of the rating, is still very obscure and it would probably have been more helpful had it stayed unwritten. A shorter, accurate statement would have been easier to understand, and maybe ever easierr to write, if you don't like writing.

Oh, on the wrong guess issue: there's not much of a problem in the example. But think of me suggesting that one should tyr this salve stuff with thum genu on thelalble for catrizoishun. Have fun if you guess wrong and get the idea that I didn't mean sterile surgical gel but deep heat cream or japanese wasabi.

I also think it's a courtesy to the reader.

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The rejectio of extemes brings up the issue of "fit". On the one hand, it should not look like Idiotese and on the other, this is not an essay on the estoric aspects of Transcendent six-dimensional wormhole theory. What it is is, hopefully an exchange of ideas at the casual level conducted by adutls.So, that is what it should be. As I said. not A-level grammar (unless you can do so comfortably) but certainly C or better

Fortunately we have the edit function with which we can gain absolution from a multi-tude of sins. I usually jump right into edit mode because it is easier to hunt down and eradicate mistakes in than the original posting mode

Anything that is totally uncapitalized, unpunctuated and looks like crap conveys the impression of being dumb and as much as you wish to evade the notion, Man is an 85% visual creature and each of us has a history of having been in the world for at least 18 years. That means that you are, by nature, going to make assessments of a person by how she presents herself. the rule goes, "Is as does" since we are not telepathic

Now, if we have a bit of individuality in us there wllll be little quirks. I use "2di4" and occausioally "go4it" and often "faggaddaboudit". So it need not be foram tone and structure. One thing to avoid for the sake of clarity is any esoteric acronyms; it took me forever to figure out AIO then I realized that I had seen them in the adult form 30+ years ago. Ditto exotic workds.How many of you know what "canaglia" (or Port. "canalha") or "gagazote" mean or the Fairy term "Donastella"? on the other hand "genre"was anl exotic term 40 years ago

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The rejectio of extemes brings up the issue of "fit". On the one hand, it should not look like Idiotese and on the other, this is not an essay on the estoric aspects of Transcendent six-dimensional wormhole theory. What it is is, hopefully an exchange of ideas at the casual level conducted by adutls.So, that is what it should be. As I said. not A-level grammar (unless you can do so comfortably) but certainly C or better

Fortunately we have the edit function with which we can gain absolution from a multi-tude of sins. I usually jump right into edit mode because it is easier to hunt down and eradicate mistakes in than the original posting mode

Anything that is totally uncapitalized, unpunctuated and looks like crap conveys the impression of being dumb and as much as you wish to evade the notion, Man is an 85% visual creature and each of us has a history of having been in the world for at least 18 years. That means that you are, by nature, going to make assessments of a person by how she presents herself. the rule goes, "Is as does" since we are not telepathic

Now, if we have a bit of individuality in us there wllll be little quirks. I use "2di4" and occausioally "go4it" and often "faggaddaboudit". So it need not be foram tone and structure. One thing to avoid for the sake of clarity is any esoteric acronyms; it took me forever to figure out AIO then I realized that I had seen them in the adult form 30+ years ago. Ditto exotic workds.How many of you know what "canaglia" (or Port. "canalha") or "gagazote" mean or the Fairy term "Donastella"? on the other hand "genre"was anl exotic term 40 years ago

Agreed on all counts.

Nobody's asking for perfection.

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Leilin, two things, first that language is a concept and there are many different ones in the world, and many many many more dialects of every one of them, so it is impossible to "disrespect" it. Second, the artist is the writer, the reader taking a dump on it is the grammar nazi. ;)

I find it funny that grammar nazis are English speakers, even when correcting a native of another tongue for not using a word the way they learned in school, thus my point about people thinking language should be how we are taught in school.

Also, did you know the language patterns we use for English twenty years ago were in fact considered bad language in the 1800s? The sentence structure we are taught in schools is not even correct for old English. Yep, our grammar now is based entirely on mistakes made in the 1800s. Ever stop to wonder why all languages go through such changes? Mostly because the original English was impossible for non-English speaking people to comprehend, so it evolved little by little into what they teach in schools. Now with an even more global use of English, it is evolving yet again. Either evolve with it, or consider yourself old English, not true English. Most English words are not even from one source, only about 20% of the vocabulary in English is from one source, the rest is from many other languages, some of which we have no way of spelling in the alphabet so ... we spell it wrong in the English version. Again though, if you don't like it, don't read it. We don't listen to music we don't like, we don't look at art we don't like, and we don't read books we don't like.

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Before I start, I would just like to say it would be nice if we had a symbol that we can use to replace '?!' because that would be very handy. It's a speech thing that just cannot translate well in writing.

Kitten - I understand where you are coming from, but the tone I'm getting from you is (and please correct me if I'm wrong) 'These things happen, so let's not bother trying'. This isn't about change, it is about current conventions and current rules. You have a point in your examples, I'll give you that, but at the same time your attitude seems to promote carelessness instead of genuine efforts hampered by genuine mistakes which almost everyone makes - some of them evolving from speech patterns, I will admit - particularly when there are spelling and grammar checkers available. We can accept and move along with change - but it isn't a good idea to leap headlong into it, arms flailing along keyboards spewing 'nd thn th wurlds spelin was fucd up beeond al racoggniton'

I'm generally quite lax on what others will write, provided I can understand. I try not to point things out or nitpick as long as I can tell these people are trying, I won't beat people over the head yelling 'coward' for using an adverb, and It's very rare that incorrect spelling or word use gets to me (aside from a few pet peeves - confusing their / they're / there, should of instead of should have, and 'could care less' in particular, the former two are understandable, the latter is pure idiocy). Generally, it's very easy to understand. It happens to everyone, to different extents. In my own case, words that have two possible instances of double letters (such as 'possessive') will make me think twice, and still often make mistakes. I can stumble over back-to-back vowels on a couple occasions (It's not uncommon for me to write 'gaurd' before correcting to 'guard') Grammar issues, too, do not usually irk me, even though I may have to read over it a couple of times or ask for clarification. Again, I myself am not entirely perfect on some of the finer points - the different circumstances that call for 'me', 'myself', or 'I' are (is?) something I sometimes have difficulty with. I will write what MS word considers sentence fragments and not see what the problem is (this is discounting instances where subject and / or object are already known). And please, I beg you, don't ask me to identify technical grammatical terms. Most of them escape my grasp, but I can still understand syntax as I write.

Punctuation is more of an issue for me, but not that often. The occasional 'it's' (possession - and yes, I wondered for a moment if both were supposed to be double) or 'hell' ('he'll') I can deal with. If it's rapid-fire and persistent (I had to check and correct this from persistant), then alarm bells will ring, because it becomes frustrating. Not difficult to understand, but as I pick up on these things repeatedly it can start to grate. As with other fields, I'm not perfect myself. It wasn't until recently I learned the golden rule of abbreviation whereby one including first and last letters do not take periods, whereas those that stop midway through do (it's Dr David Doyle, but Prof. Patrick Pierce), I stop myself when considering using the word 'and' following a comma, I struggle to fully understand the semi-colon (simplifying it to "for those awkward moments when a comma is not enough but a full stop is too much") and last Thursday I cleared up my knowledge of an apostrophe for the possessive with names ending in 's' (it's actually a strange rule, generally going by time period, so it's James's book but Achilles' shield). Another issue is that punctuation can impact understanding ("let's eat, grandma" versus "let's eat grandma"), but again, it's rare.

Allow me to throw out some examples, these are captions I found on /d/ a couple days back.

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Do you see where I'm coming from now? You don't have to be a grammar nazi for these things to be intrusive. It just halts the flow, it feels like it's jarring in writing. What does irk me is that people who are writing academically (or even taking English at third level) cannot grasp some of these more basic things. We spent three quarters of one of my tutorial classes going over the use of the apostrophe. Surely time would be better spent elsewhere? I understand people should all have their opportunities, and help should be given, but the onus is primarily on them. I think my creative writing tutor said it best: "words are your tools, and you need to know how to use them effectively and properly. Come on, people, try to nip these mistakes in the bud. If editors see mistakes like this on the first page, they may very well just throw down the manuscript altogether. A carpenter is of no use if he can't hold his chisel."

I believe I've made my point. Change occurs, perhaps it's for the better, perhaps not. We should move along with change, but not say "Change happens, so let's just flap our fingers about and hope for the best as we post hi lukin for mummy in bristol ned sex an change dapper love babby derp age 2 xDDDDDDD'.

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Sorry, I know I use too many "..." 's its a habit I've fallen into and to be honest it doesn't really bother me.

I am fairly competent with spelling and grammer but I'm not going to go out of my way to use absolutely perfect English on a sexual fetish forum!

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I think laser had ceased being strictly an acronym 27 years ago and has become a common noun based on an acronym. If it is used as a proper noun, it could have a z. But then what about a taser which comes from Thomas A Swift Electric Rifle, the use of which is to "tase", bro, and is applied to what would be called a stun gun and related to a dazer from Brian Aldiss' 1958 novel NON-STOP: US title STARSHIP the technical name of which was "neurolethia" since, at the highest setting, it could kill

I told all of this to Fairy Queen and it did not even faze 'er

No Let us NOT go there. I woulld hate to go through THAT phase, sir

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Leilin, two things, first that language is a concept and there are many different ones in the world, and many many many more dialects of every one of them, so it is impossible to "disrespect" it. Second, the artist is the writer, the reader taking a dump on it is the grammar nazi. ;)

*facepalm* Again, sophistry, and a lack of grasp of the ability to disrespect a concept. People who would trample on the rights of others across the world disrespect the concept of freedom every day. And you equating the utter careless trash that some people put out with art is just silly. Art takes intent and effort. You are still treating this as a call for perfection, when it is more of a call for attention. I'll spell it out for you. We are not talking about the evolution of language. We are talking about people who pay absolutely no attention to their typing and are apathetic to whether their posts can be understood at all. I'll stop responding to you now, as you plainly have no interest in this discussion other than trying to change the meanings of words to make yourself right, once again.

Before I start, I would just like to say it would be nice if we had a symbol that we can use to replace '?!' because that would be very handy. It's a speech thing that just cannot translate well in writing.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Interrobang

:D

Sorry, I know I use too many "..." 's its a habit I've fallen into and to be honest it doesn't really bother me.

I am fairly competent with spelling and grammer but I'm not going to go out of my way to use absolutely perfect English on a sexual fetish forum!

Don't worry. You're fine. Nobody is asking you to. :)

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Lol, this is not necessarily true. Have you seen a Jackson Pollock painting? I do not like abstract art, ROFL.

Even if one doesn't like his work (not to my tastes either), one cannot deny his intent to do it or even his (possibly minimal) effort.

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Even if one doesn't like his work (not to my tastes either), one cannot deny his intent to do it or even his (possibly minimal) effort.

I am quite sure he randomly splattered painting on his canvas, lol.

No offense to anyone who likes abstract art. Just cordially making fun of it on a thread relating to spelling and "grammer," lol.

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