About Spelling And Grammer

[freddie84]

This may not be the right place for this.

I myself am so tiered of people bicthing about spelling. I suck at it myself as do others. Nobody is great at everthing in life its a fact. It would be great if the owner would address this as well. If you dont like the spelling or the topic or grammer or whatever just stay the hell out of it. Most people with half a brain can figure out what most people are talking about any way. People being hateful all the time really hurts this site. I dont even do post or to many replys to post on this site because of it. Not to mention the tons of photos, and short videos of me and my wife or here friends that i wont post here because of you hateful ass people and i am talking about a select few. Most of us are nice and dont bad mouth people here every chance we get. These are the people that are losing out on a great thing. There are alot of us that dont even wanna talk on here or share photos because of assholes on here and there stupid comments. And im speaking for all of us in that catagory.

To the people doing all the bad mouthing are you here to help the ab/dl community or rip it apart?

Just remember when you are dogging someone for there spelling. You are being more of a ass then someone that thinks we are freaks for what we like. We are here for the same reason. So if you are just here to dog people just leave and dont come back it would do us all a favor. Plus the most important part is before u knock on someone else look at youself. There's a good chance you could be joked on for a whole lot of crap. Other then spelling just your life in general. So grow the hell up.

I do hope the owner also address the issue as well because it is a growing problem that will destroy this site over time.

[diaperwerx]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this either, maybe Tech Support? Anyway I think before getting upset it is good to remember there are many groups of people here. And as such, there are many different personalities, anal retentitive, anal relaxative, immature, adolescent, you name it.

That said, I speak only for myself here and no one else. I'm not a grammar nazi and you anyone can confirm this from my posts, but I can understand some peoples frustration.

OUTSIDE of the AB forums I think we can all agree that, this is bad:

IfIwritelikethisfewpeoplewillunderstandwhatImtalkingaboutortrytounderstandmypointsorexplanations.

And writing the same thing as a single complete sentence is also bad.

Damn that was even hard to type. I realize a quite a few people also have disabilities so that taken into consideration, I feel that if someone has an intelligible point to be made then punctuation doesn't matter so much. However if there can be multiple interpretations due to improper punctuations, then the OP shouldn't be upset if the topic trails off-subject, as it leaves the original intent vague.

Hopefully all of us can take some amount of criticism with tongue-in-cheek as you mention everyone makes mistakes.

Hope you stick around though as I think the intent of this site is to make and keep it as accessible as possible for the same reasons we are all here.

All the Best,

DW

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

I must state here that I take this discussion to refer to general communication. There are times and places where tricks withthe language are done and it is all right. It seems to me that the object of posting is communication in English. Now non-English speakers will not have it down and that is one thing. In fact I kiind of envy their ability to deal witrh two or more languages and admire them if they do a reasonable job, but what I see out of Brits and Americans looks like some degenerate form. I think someone brought here from the "Uncyclopedia" two of the "Things that Piss People Off" are the uncapitalized and the unpunctukated; aka D-bonics (Digital Ebonics from the ruckus that went on about a decade ago when some college prof tried to make a connection between the speech that you hear in the "ghetto" and gangs, and race and got hammered, even by Bill Cosby). It looks illierate. I do not mind having to use my head to deal with the concepts or even small errors. but to deal with the basic language structure? First I am not into eyestrain. Second, the fact is that the poster is the person presenting something to us for consideration so the text should be readable in content and style and spelling and we should not have to struggle with some exotic form of the language. This is the same thing with babytalk. Now it does not have to be A-level grammar. I do not think there is anyone here capable of that, but it has to be readable without having toknow the Da Vinci Code, so it better be C-level or better. Then there is the matter of typo's. When this is finished and posted, I will hit the edit button to proofread. The post textbox and the edit textbox are different and the edit texstbos is easier to move around in. The kind of things I will be looking for are mis-struck keys, I think everyone's favorite typo is "teh", there is "New Keyboard Syndrome" which, I am sure, will be biting me for another few weeks and the kind of errors you make while thinking of two different things and of course there is the famous "it's" and "its". Most errors come from the fact that the input is indirect; mediated by a medium that is mechano-electric and not under the direct manipulation of the brian-hand system. This is not always encoded perfectly in the human mind. about 30 yearsw ago there was the big QWERTY vs DVORAK keyboard debate

Tthe best thing that you can do as far as grammar is to think of it as wrtten voice inflection. Then you find that it falls into place, at least to a reasonable degree. If my high school English teacher had told me that, it might have made it easier to understnad and assimilate than trying to memorize all of that and feeling like an overstuffed turkey that had been beaten sensless by the New York Giants defensive line

It is the job of the poster to make their material understandable and if it looks like some kind of alien thing, well that counts against. When I see that, I thhk the poster is either acting under some Agenda like a cult member or just sticking the middle finger at the rest of us in the manner of a self-absorbed twit and I think less of them as a person, It is like going to a job interview in a T-shirt, jeans and sneakers with your face looking like the "Fasteners" department of the local hardware store. It is the old saying "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck: It IS a duck": And not a square one, either. Now some persons would say "well why are you so hepped up on what it looks like" and start the lecture about being judgmental. Well why does the person present a bizarre appearence save to be noticed and when they are noticed they complain about persons noticing them and identifying them for what they are: bizarro mondo: They seem unable to tahe "yes" for an answer. Also the question of lunatic or being too fed back into yourself comes up. Is as does "by their fruits you shall know them" and a whole host of other things that hold to a correlation between what you see and what you get. There is a difference between being in a closed-culture, narrow-band group, such as with your friends, and in a public therefore wide-band forum

Whiloe nobody in their right minds is a grammar/spelling gauleiter. there has to be some minimum, reasonable standards so that the whole thing does not degenerate into a chaotic mess

[Rihanna]

This may not be the right place for this.

I myself am so tiered of people bicthing about spelling. I suck at it myself as do others. Nobody is great at everthing in life its a fact. It would be great if the owner would address this as well. If you dont like the spelling or the topic or grammer or whatever just stay the hell out of it. Most people with half a brain can figure out what most people are talking about any way. People being hateful all the time really hurts this site. I dont even do post or to many replys to post on this site because of it. Not to mention the tons of photos, and short videos of me and my wife or here friends that i wont post here because of you hateful ass people and i am talking about a select few. Most of us are nice and dont bad mouth people here every chance we get. These are the people that are losing out on a great thing. There are alot of us that dont even wanna talk on here or share photos because of assholes on here and there stupid comments. And im speaking for all of us in that catagory.

To the people doing all the bad mouthing are you here to help the ab/dl community or rip it apart?

Just remember when you are dogging someone for there spelling. You are being more of a ass then someone that thinks we are freaks for what we like. We are here for the same reason. So if you are just here to dog people just leave and dont come back it would do us all a favor. Plus the most important part is before u knock on someone else look at youself. There's a good chance you could be joked on for a whole lot of crap. Other then spelling just your life in general. So grow the hell up.

I do hope the owner also address the issue as well because it is a growing problem that will destroy this site over time.

Are you saying screw everybody if they can't put up with your bad spelling? Most browsers have built in spell checkers. USE THEM!!! Many also have grammar checkers, USE THEM TOO!

I have no idea why you posted in all bold type. At the risk of being kicked or given a "time out:" for a percieved personal attack, you need to grow up and use proper spelling and grammar. There are 'preview' options to proofread a message, use them too!

You come across as someone who is demanding we put up with your spelling and grammar errors rather than educating yourself.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Actually, compared to what I've seen both here and at other places he's pretty good,

[diaperwerx]

Thanks Christine :-) I appreciate your support. Of course you dereferenced 'he' so it could be all of us

[DailyDi]

I make a lot of stupid mistakes as I try to type as fast as i think, and my fingers just won't keep up. I try to catch the big ones, but as long as what I say is understandable, I think people should be okay with it.

One thing to consider though: I was terrible at spelling and grammar in school, and only learned by employing spell check most of the time and learning from those annoying red underlines.

Oh, and this thread just made me realize that I haven't installed the spell checker on Firefox on my new PC... thanks

[Repaid1]

I noticed the new firefox 9.0.1spell checker doesn't always work on certain areas of this board, notably while I type this? I know we have a thread on it but it's a bit weird as when I type a PM it does work Kinda strange? I myself am terrible at spelling and puncuation. I need my tools back

[lilJester]

a few random typos is one thing, but blatant misspelling of words even simple ones just because it seems to be oh I dunno, cool? Yeah that is just obnoxious and annoying! STOP WITH THE TEXT SPEAK! the whole k tlk 2 ya l8r might work over a cellphone, but on a forum, email, chatroom, please just say Okay, talk to you later! Not that hard..... and okay I understand there are those on here that don't have english as their primary (or the bastardized version in America) but see how many times the word DIAPER is said on the board or chat room? Should not be that difficult to spell it out but instead i see people posting this "i was so herd to wet my dipeers" I mean seriously, wtf? I know it's something that is honestly quite silly to get irritated about, but it still bothers me. I may not make a federal case out of it whenever I see it, but that does not mean that it doesn't irk me.

[belinda_sue_fox]

While we are on the phone text ranting...Will people using a phone to chat and post stop blaming spell check for wrong words when it's predictive text that is to blame.

[sarah_ab]

for me its neither.. i have auto correct and predictive text turned off on myphone.. its just good old fashioned typos.. but honestly to the OP you making this post will cause even MORE arguments.. I mean we havent had a grammar nazi argument in a long time now and now its all brought back up..

but ummmm really "people correcting other people's grammar is going to tear this community apart." is a bit of a erm..... well anyway.. it made me laugh.

[KittenAB]

Meh, to each their own. If it's too hard to understand, I don't read it, but I'm not a great speller nor is my grammar great. Really, my writing skills suck.

[sarah_ab]

thats true kitten for me as well... if it is to hard to udnerstand i will not read it..... because there are some people, who just make no sense in what they say.... i do use punctuation... most likely horrificcally incorrectly.. but at least it helps break up my words...

but i said this is anothe rpost... i'm quite disappointed because my grammar is clearly atrocious, and my spelling, while good, is riddled with typos which make it seem not so good... but still no one picks on me....

I mean com on... just because my posts are quite readable becuase i do those nice things like not have one giant wall of text, and do use puntuation randomly to make my posts easy on the eyes... doesn't mean i should be exempt from the shame of ridicule of adults in diapers making fun of me!

[Guest gnappies]

I make a lot of stupid mistakes as I try to type as fast as i think, and my fingers just won't keep up. I try to catch the big ones, but as long as what I say is understandable, I think people should be okay with it.

One thing to consider though: I was terrible at spelling and grammar in school, and only learned by employing spell check most of the time and learning from those annoying red underlines.

Oh, and this thread just made me realize that I haven't installed the spell checker on Firefox on my new PC... thanks

Agree, I was crap at selling at school, but spellchecker has greatly improved mine since the pc era.

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[ItchyTasty]

As long as it's READABLE and MAKES SENSE that's all that matters, imo.

As people either with dyslexia can't spell or type properly.

And then even people without it prefer to chill out, and not use caps at the beginning of sentence say as it's forum not an essay or letter.

I only type properly(formally) 99% of the time as I've got into a habit of it from all my past life in education (especially english and english exams,writing stories and important letters),lol.

[langtab]

*tired.

*bitching.

*grammar.

*replies.

*yourself.

Grammar is something that we all make mistakes on. But, there are many pieces of software to correct our mistakes. Someone being a "grammar nazi" is not going to tear this community apart. If you want to say something in a post, then make sure you at least hit the spell check button so everyone clearly knows what you were attempting to say. I do not read stories or posts that people put up if they are full of spelling mistakes. I am not perfect, but I at least make an attempt to spell properly.

This post is not meant to fan the flames but I do believe in spelling and grammar enough to not let someone say that believing in it is going to "tear our community apart."

[ErinM]

The main issue, IMO, with regards to incorrect spelling, grammar and punctuation is that on this forum(and all of the internet) you are judged by what you post. A lot of people will think you're an idiot if your posts are constantly filled with misspelled words and incorrect punctuation/grammar.

I try and always have correct spelling, grammar and punctuation. It isn't too hard because I've always been pretty decent at it. On the occasion I do have a misspelled word it's mostly because I missed a letter when I was typing.

[spark]

Spelling and grammar are a bit like manners. Using basic good manners is a way to show that you care, and it is the same with spelling. When people write with a lot of spelling errors and really bad awful punctuation, I assume you just don't care. If you don't care, why in the H should I care.

Now we aren't writing doctoral thesis here, so it doesn't have to be perfect. However, I make perceptions of the poster's intelligence based on the quality of the writing, which includes grammar and spelling.

For me, I admittedly am not a good spelling, and rely heavily on spell check as well a Google (I will search the word to find the spelling). I also tend to skip words when I write, and try to reread my posts before I publish. It doesn't come naturally for me, and I really have to work to make sure my posts are readable. For example, I needed two Google searches, one spell check fix, and 2 other changes just to write this post.

Nw if u rit n txt spk i asum u r a lzy bstrd hu dosnt car y shld i car wat u rit

[Leilin]

I think there's a balance to be had, and that extremes on either end are unnecessary, and, in one case, very negative.

On the first extreme is a forum with perfect grammar. Not only is this highly unlikely, but it's also very hard to enforce. There are probably less than a dozen people on this forum who are fully educated on "perfect" academic grammar and probably half that who know the exceptions to those rules. I don't see the purpose in holding a forum of wide-ranging professions and educational levels to rules that typically only a few who have a degree in the subject are even aware of.

On the second extreme is the utter lack of grammar. When you compose a post which is completely lacking in grammar, it speaks of one of two conclusions:

A) You don't care enough about what you are typing and who you are typing to to spend the time to type it correctly. In other words: You disrespect the people you are typing to.

You aren't literate enough to type correctly.

Whether or not this is true, it is what those of us who take the time to punctuate, capitalize, and make sure we follow at least the major rules of English writing see when we see a post that would make a Kindergartner balk at its complete lack of linguistic cohesion.

So I have a simple matter of truce as a happy medium:

If you posit that those of us shouldn't read your post or respond if we find it utterly lacking in grammar to the point of merited criticism (considering the well-worded nature of your post, and the minimal errors in it, I find that unlikely on my part), then you should take equal measure and not bother to post in threads which you find to be fully respectful of the rules of English.

Honestly, that doesn't seem like a happy medium either, does it?

How about this? Each of you who has trouble spelling and phrasing things correctly within a threshold that will make your posts unreadable spends just two minutes more making sure your post is something that won't make the eyes of your readers bleed. This will lessen criticism of your posts from all but the most pedantic of us (and even some of us who happen to be pedantic to the point of being literal professional grammar fascists, such as myself, though I am rather experienced in the matter and choose to keep it in check unless I'm getting paid not to) and will make the forum in general a more pleasant place to be.

A few simple things you can ask yourself to avoid the dreaded "unreadable" stamp:

1) Does this post look like it was "typed with one hand"?

2) Does this post have a very high amount of words abbreviated without need to abbreviate them?

3) If the average person read this post, would they think it was written by a kindergartner who had just snorted six pounds of Adderall and typed it as they found their first porno magazine while shooting up heroin and sitting on a rollercoaster?

4) Does this post look like it was rushed through?

If the answer to any of the previous is "yes," then you should probably spend some more time writing the post because the message you are conveying is that you don't care enough about what you're typing for it to receive respect from anybody who spends the time to read it.

[Diapered Jason]

I have not had much of a problem with anyone's writing here. Most people here have at least adequate prose for the colloquial setting of a forum. It is after all not a writing competition. Precise syntax is not necessary. All that is required is a sufficiently understandable post. I think everyone here does a suitable job of this.

[Hookedondiapers]

I am a grammar nazi - I can't help it, I was taught English by a teacher who cared, and assume all American public schools still teach it.

I simply can't understand why people with bad spelling and grammar refuse to do anything about it. I would think it would be impossible to get a decent job if you fill out the application with tons of errors. I wouldn't hire someone that does - unless they have a documented disability (just saying "I'm dyslexic" doesn't cut it)

It does make you look stupid, and the world notices and judges you on that.

If you are tired of people flaming you and correcting your posts, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Take an adult English class, find a website that will help with free instructions, anything - it's never too late to learn.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Nw if u rit n txt spk i asum u r a lzy bstrd hu dosnt car y shld i car wat u rit

Oooo; you made a txtspk fo pa. You capittalized the first letter. I guess you are just not self absorbed enough

[BriGuy]

How about try to not be so farking sensitive about the stupid subject and take the opportunity to learn from the people who offer suggestions?

The only way to learn is to be receptive to the corrections people provide. If you want to maintain the inability to spell or communicate with written prose then by all means don't be receptive!

It amazes me how FEW people want to actually take the time to better themselves. It's much easier to sit complacent, and never grow as a human isn't it? I mean that's what we strive for right? Absolute excellence in mediocrity? Lazy!

Mistakes happen, typos occur, learn and grow. Or!!!! Wait for it!!!!!

Use spell check!! It's amazing, takes 30 seconds and eventually you learn to spell!!

[spark]

Oooo; you made a txtspk fo pa. You capittalized the first letter. I guess you are just not self absorbed enough

Oops. I guess all those years of education have their effect. But then I even punctuate my texts.