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If you don't bring your proof to wear diapers document when you come to visit Arizona, Sherrif Joe will make you wear these in his tent city...

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You can really buy these on ebay. Here's the link.

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BTW-She does quality work. :-)

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Guest Chriskc

funny about arizona, but its not a new law. Its an ordinance enforcing a very old very overlooked law.

I dont know how anyone else here feels about it but I am for it completely.

Hell yeah me 2! It's not about race, it's about legal and illegal. Support Arizona

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I have to rant on this:

They made a big deal out of the Mexican president saying his piece about discrimination but the truth is the Mexicans strictly enforce their immigration laws. Also, an American can't legally move there and immigrate unless they can prove they can support themself without being a drain on society and not take a job from a Mexican. An American also can't own land outright without a Mexican partner.

We need equity between nations and that slimy bastard stood up and told congress to pass gun laws. Well, I say the same thing about guns he said about drugs, if there wasn't an appetite for it, it wouldn't be a problem.

Another problem I have is all the illegal immigrants waving non-US flags. By God you are here, either suck it up and be thankful you are in the land of milk and honey and out of the craphole you crawled out of or take your Mexican flag waving ass back across the Rio Grande! Otherwise you are just another cucharacha to be dealt with as the pest and criminal you are.

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I have to rant on this:

They made a big deal out of the Mexican president saying his piece about discrimination but the truth is the Mexicans strictly enforce their immigration laws. Also, an American can't legally move there and immigrate unless they can prove they can support themself without being a drain on society and not take a job from a Mexican. An American also can't own land outright without a Mexican partner.

We need equity between nations and that slimy bastard stood up and told congress to pass gun laws. Well, I say the same thing about guns he said about drugs, if there wasn't an appetite for it, it wouldn't be a problem.

Another problem I have is all the illegal immigrants waving non-US flags. By God you are here, either suck it up and be thankful you are in the land of milk and honey and out of the craphole you crawled out of or take your Mexican flag waving ass back across the Rio Grande! Otherwise you are just another cucharacha to be dealt with as the pest and criminal you are.

Bravo Bravo. I couldn't have said it better! It's a shame our president stood right there and let him bash our country!

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I think we need to move all them damn illegals and anchor babies out of this country and send them back to Europe where they came from!!!! Well not without trying them all for genocide against the native peoples first!!!!!

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Another problem I have is all the illegal immigrants waving non-US flags. By God you are here, either suck it up and be thankful you are in the land of milk and honey and out of the craphole you crawled out of or take your Mexican flag waving ass back across the Rio Grande! Otherwise you are just another cucharacha to be dealt with as the pest and criminal you are.

And as we all know, all illegal immigrants are cucarachas who are "pests and criminals" that come out of a "craphole," right?

Oh, that totally was not racist at all.

Yeah, I'm as white as they come, but come on, man. Even I felt that racist sting and I think your comments were highly inappropriate. Tone down your statements or else I might have to put your ass on the Plymouth and send you back to Europe.

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To clarify, I have nothing against immigrants. My family immigrated to the US before the Civil War. They, like so many others, did it the right way. It wasn't easy... it wasn't fun, but they wanted a piece of the "American Dream" and they followed the rules to get it.

Here's a plan for ya. Let's offer a deal to any willing illegals. Go down to the local Army recruiting office and turn yourself in. You will be processed into the Army for a 4-year enlistment. They will teach you our language, you will learn job skills, and you can spend some time overseas fighting to protect the country that you want so badly to be a part of. After your 4 years are up you will be granted full US citizenship and given $25,000 to start your new life here in America.

I think that is fair... after all that is pretty much what was done to European immigrants during the Civil War. Off the boat, sign your enlistment papers for the Union Army, here's your uniform and a gun, then back on another boat to ship out.

For those illegals who don't take advantage of this and are caught later. We are converting one of our large bases in Iraq to a holding camp. You will be sent there permanently. There are no guards, just buildings and a fence. If you decide to leave there is nothing but scorching desert and angry Arabs for 50 miles in every direction, and short of getting on a boat or airplane there is no way you will ever make it back to American soil.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

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if you can't tell by an earlier post I made, I support Arizona as well. All we ask is tha tis people wish to come to this country and be citizens, is that you go through Immigration and do it legally. In reality, that isn't asking much. yes its a long and difficult process, but it is that way for a reason. Like the Mexican immigration laws, we want to make sure we are not getting people who will sit and suck on welfare for the rest of eternity. We want people who are willing to work for and earn their freedom! That is the basic foundation of this country, NOTHING is given, everything is EARNED! If these people Don't want to go through Immigration and do it legally and demand Amnisty, what does that tell you?? They DON'T want to Work for and EARN anything, but have it handed to them on a silver platter!

What more of an insult to all the hundreds of thousands who HAVE done it right, and come in legally! what an INSULT to all those who have fought and died for the basic principles of hard work, self determination and independence! What an insult to working people all through this country, like myself who work, pay our taxes, and contribute to society and help this country run....so we ACN have a better life, or the life we choose and dream of. I DO NOT take anything from the %$#@! Government...hell I even hate the idea of Social Security! (A forced savings account) I work, save and build any anyone should....and Warren Buffett and Bill gates are prime examples of what is possible in this Country. Both started with nothing, and worked and built.

Giving away Citizenship is a waste, Amnesty is a travesty and an Insult to each and everyone of us who work and live the dream every day.

If you want something

WORK FOR IT AND EARN IT

and that starts in the Immigration department, and doing the paperwork and starting the process. IF people cannot or WILL NOT do that simple thing, and apply the effort to earn what they want....personally, I don't want them here or have anything to do with them.

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Thanks for reading :)

Square duck

an American citizen

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If you don't bring your proof to wear diapers document when you come to visit Arizona, Sherrif Joe will make you wear these in his tent city...

post-14474-12744096689247_thumb.jpg

You can really buy these on ebay. Here's the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150444914988&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

BTW-She does quality work. :-)

Would the wet spot on the front of my jeans suffice?? :blush:

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I don't support Arizona because I believe immigration is a federal issue, not a state one, and the bill handles illegal immigrants in a very ineffective, totalitarian way. Interestingly enough, I have conservative views on illegal immigration, but I still think that Arizona is not doing it right.

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I think we all need to follow Arizona's lead, there. I also think that American English should be made the national language. If you can't speak American and can't accept the culture, don't bother coming here. The main problem is that people in general are too accommodating of illegals. Get rid of all this spanish signs and whatnot BS. Run the SOBs out of the country, like we should've done with the europeans... Or one day, you may wake up to find that they've taken over.

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Calling someone racist is the slur du jour. When the overwhelming majority of illegals (and they are here illegally, a vast majority from Mexico) do not speak English and cross the southern boarder because they DO live in a craphole, that just makes me non-PC. I probably work with more international people than most and see first hand the conditions they are leaving. I don't begrudge them the right to better themselves but I do not tolerate the mass illegal immigration with no intention of assimilating.

As a fractional native American, I do not see the logic in "giving the land back" because that is not about the immigration debate. We obviously can't give the land back to the cave men but that is the logical conclusion of all this "we were here first" crap. Palestinians want the land Israel is on but the Jews were there first by a few millennia.

I'm all for legal immigration, LEGAL not ILLEGAL! Illegal makes them criminals and we do not need any more criminals in this country, politicians hate the competition. When I travel, I try to use as much local language as possible. I know enough basic Spanish and French to be polite and I pick up a few new phrases every time I travel. If was going to live in a foreign country, you'd be sure I'd learn the language or I wouldn't want to live there as a second class citizen. That's what the illegals are doing here that can't speak the language. They are relegated to the lower class jobs and cannot progress without working English vocabulary.

As for the Arizona law being a federal issue, I'd have to agree that border patrol is a federal responsibility but when the federal authorities will not enforce the laws that exist, desperate measures are required. Arizona is being overrun and I support them. I'd like to vacation in AZ this year if I can work it in.

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all i can say it is about time

we a a nation spend way to much money making things so others can read and understand it,,

that money could go to better schools and english only unless you are taking a different one too

here in oregon if you and no USA you do not prove youhave the right to ne here if you are white you have to have a BC and other proof

we have to belegal to drive and insurance coverage byt no US no one enforce the law

like getting a H plate to park in special places they are given here to non english so they know where to park legal

time for the BS to end

start with vote none of the above till they give us a person that support our rights and our jobs here not over seas

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No One Is Illegal.

If you are in a country illegally you are. What kind of logic is going on here. I'm not denying they are a person with feelings and needs but they need to obey our laws when they are in our country. They would expect it of us.

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They are if they do not immigrate legally and follow our laws. The United States is a sovereign Nation (much to Mexicos chagrin) we have our laws and rules and if people don't wish to follow them, then they create their own problem. I have nothing against immigrants coming here, this country was built by people from all around the world "E pluribus unim" from many people, ONE people. As a sovereign nation, we welcome anyone, but all we ask if that they do it legally, and go through the process of Naturalization at the INS. That really isn't asking much. It is the first step to becoming a citizen of the greatest nation this world has ever seen. If an immigrant wont register and take the steps to become a citizen, and doesn't want to put for the the effort to go through the process, what does that tell you about what kind of person they are??? hundreds of thousands are in line right now, doing the paper work, paying the fees and waiting and working through the process, why should someone else feel they don't have to do that?? Who are they to think they can take a short cut, and demand amnesty with out putting forth the effort that others ARE doing?? If I was someone in the process and wanting to be a citizen, and others are taking cuts in front of me...I would be outraged! and many are! If an immigrant doesnt want to got through Immigration and follow our laws, but still wants the benefits of citizenship with out putting in the effort or earning it...why should they get it? OUr welfare system is already a wretched mess, with our own people who don't want to work or contribute and think they are entitled to a free ride, why add more to the mess?? It's insane! I have worked since I was 17, I earn everything I have...why should another fully capable and able bodied person have a free ride because they think they are "entitled' to something that I am not?? and that they didn't work for and earn?? Not quite fair!

All we ask is people provide the effort and resister to become a citizen, thats all. If they cannot or will not do that...then basically we don't want or need them. It's a hard assed statement, but as I said, we don't need social parasites who don't want to contribute, and want to take and not give.

Watch Tom McClintocks video of his objection to the Mexican presidents Visit to congress and his insults against Arizona...he is very right, then read the comments below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

It's sad we have let this happen.:(

Mexicos immigration laws are extremely harsh and difficult and exclusionary, as are the laws for other countries...the difference is they enforce their laws...and we don't....which is what creates the problem. And then the people who come here and don't go through immigration...demand a voice...and demand rights and benefits which they haven't earned, and which are all benefits of being a Citizen. It's sad that there are those who want to just give those benefits away to anyone who whine enough and doesn't want to earn them :(

hard work, and earning your freedom are the foundations that make this country what it is. Nothing is given and freedom isn't free. I and millions of others pay for it everyday, in the work we do, taxes we pay, and sweat...some others pay for it with blood because they believe in freedoms we have...still others...pay the last full measure of devotion to this country as a free citizen ...with their lives.

Freedom isn't free, it is earned. This isnt a welfare state...this is not a socialist state where everything is handed to you and not worked for...this is not a communist state, where the Government owns everything and the people work for and are slaves to the Government. Just look at North Korea today, a country of the Government, for the Government, by the Government. They are backwards and non productive, millions have starved to death because no one is allowed self determination. no one can farm or do anything with out Government control...no one has a choice.

If that sounds better to you, go ahead...try to immigrate there...you will be caught and jailed as a spy, and possibly shot...and you think immigration laws in the USA are tough?? Its far worse in other places.

Again, we are a sovereign Nation, a nation that has Laws and rules to abide by. It was founded on the principle of personal freedom, by people who wanted it, and understood freedom and it it isn't free, and cannot be given away, but has more value when earned.

One of the greatest immigrant stories I know of is that of Andrew Carnagie, a Scottish immigrant in the 19t century, who immigrated here because he wanted a better life. He became a citizen, and started building what would become a global and world changing industry....he developed the process for manufacturing and processing steel. Something he couldn't do in Scotland. He was immensely grateful for the opportunities this country afforded him, and allowed him to do, to be able to build the life he dreamed of, and create the industry we know today. He choose to give away much of his wealth, to schools and institutions of higher learning. There are dozens of Libraries named after him. he was a HUGE proponent of education, and one of our greatest citizens. All of that because he went thought the process of immigration. he put forth the effort, and the reward was his freedom to create. The doors swung open for him, because he did it right.

there is no other way to be a citizen, go through the process, apply the effort..and if that doesn't appeal...then don't, and go home.

You don't get if you don't give..or try.

And for anyone else who thinks that other countries have a better way or offer something more appealing, feel free to go there. I like what I have...I earn it everyday, and I know that what I have is mine, not something handed to me from the Government :P

The Government and out representatives are hired (Elected) and work for me and all CITIZENS..nt the other way around.

Greece and Rome were destroyed from inside by divisive policies and multiculturalism, and traitors who wanted to destroy those nations....this is happening today here and now. If you don't learn from History, you are doomed to repeat it.

Sadly, there are those today who don't learn, and are doing the same things destructive that happened in the past. The difference is, we can change it, if we can catch it in time. We can choose, we have a choice and we as citizens have a voice...where others in other Nations do not, and have to take what they are given...be it right or wrong.

I love my Country and the principles it stands for. Sure it's not perfect...nothing ever is. It is unique in the world though, as the ONLY free, Democratic nation on the planet. It is the great experiment, of the people,for the people, BY the people (not Government) and we can make it work...fight for it...or let it rot and give everything away, and destroy it. I vote for the former. I am an an American, this is MY Country, and I am proud of it and its flag, and everything is is and has to offer....and that isn't a crime!

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I don't support Arizona because I believe immigration is a federal issue, not a state one, and the bill handles illegal immigrants in a very ineffective, totalitarian way. Interestingly enough, I have conservative views on illegal immigration, but I still think that Arizona is not doing it right.

Arizina's law simple follows a Federal la that is already in place. the PROBLEM is that the government won't ENFORCE the laws we have, so it falls to the states to pick up the slack. California has a similar law in it's penal code 834b here:

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/834b.html

Which isn't being enforced either. NOW, the real problem is that we have elected officials in office, who took an oath to uphold our laws and act in the best interest of our cities and states and the Nation and it's Citizens, but they aren't doing it, and many blatantly REFUSe to do it.....now...if you are elected and take an oath of office, and then refuse to follow laws and do your job...but feel you can do what ever you want regardless of what anyone else says....isn't that Treason?? Failure to protect your citizens, and your Boarders, and uphold laws already in place by someone who PROMISED to do so....sounds like it to me! .

Now for those who don't quite get it, I offer the following analogy. Say you own a piece of property, say a house, and you have saved up and bought another house and are moving, but don't want to sell the first house( for what ever reason, bad economy or you are saving it for your kids etc) so you want to keep it and rent it out. You search for and find someone to take care of and Manage your property, usually a Property Management company. You hire (Elect) them, and their job, as they described is to search for and screen prospective tenants for you. You have a set rent, and they search for a tenant who will fulfill the necessary requirements of good credit and positive employment history etc (I am a land lord and have to deal with this as well)

They find a tenant, which you review and approve, and go though the process of placing them in your property. After a while though, you find that you are getting odd statements of finances and rent collected, complaints from neighbors about the tenants, you drive by and the property isn't being kept up, the lawn is dead, and trash is laying around etc. You ask why the rent you collect is short and the strange financial reports stating different income and expenses then you expected. The manager states that many repairs and expenses have been needed, but you lived there before and know that you kept everything up. This continues and gets worse, you get less and less rent, problems persist, and the property continues to deteriorate, and neighbors scream louder at all hours of the day and night.

Obviously the management Company you hired ISN'T doing the job they promised and which you expected, they are stealing from you and lying about conditions,and are doing nothing to solve the problem. You finally demand that they remove the tenant and they don't, and the nightmare continues. What do you do?? You fire the company!! Then have to find someone else who will do the job right. You find they have been stealing funds, and betrayed any and all trust and mis represented themselves completely, so to rectify the situation and collect the missing funds, you have to take them to court and investigate what they have been doing. Meanwhile, you have to hire another manager, or do it yourself, terminate and evict the destructive tenant, pay for the repairs the tenant has done, it's all a HUGE headache. All of this costs a LOT of money and takes up huge amounts of your time and effort. You still have to work, raise a family, pay for your current Mortgage and the rental property Mortgage and do what ever else is involved with your life, all to clean up someone else's mess.

This is where we are today..our hired managers are NOT doing what they said they would, protecting our property, or managing it properly or acting in our best interest. Letting it be run down, running up costs and expenses for nothing, and not doing anything to protect our interests...they need to be FIRED!

I have been through this with bad tenants, and dishonest management companies who lie, cheat and steal for their own benefit, because they put themselves first, I don't need it in my Government as well.

If they wont do the job that they promised they would, then we need to find someone who will.

qwack

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Ok, for starters I am Canadian and have no desire to emmigrate to the US now or in the forseeable future. However I wholeheartedly agree with what the government of Arizona is tying to accomplish by enforcing this law. I cannot understand why people could possibly be opposed to it. If a person is in a country illegally then LEO's are well within their mandate to remove them and send them back where they came from.

I also believe that if you have a relative in another country that does not automatically give you preferential treatment as far as immigration is concerned. If you want to come live in my country permanently you need to speak the language, know the laws, and have the ability to support yourself.

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So much text, but little substance.

The right-wing, closeted redneck gibberish I'm seeing here is just a waste of time to regurgitate. I'll just lay the facts down.

Yes, there are illegal immigrants who come to our country, don't speak English and they consume our resources without paying taxes, but the problem won't be solved by forcing a state to act on federal laws that aren't enforced in someone's opinion. On a federal level, Congress needs to act on immigration reform now and that reform has to come in the form of streamlining the citizenship process so that illegal immigrants can become legal immigrants faster and more efficiently with more incentives, like one incentive: la migra won't be after you. In terms of economics, America needs more people, more taxpayers. For the cost of putting legal citizens in fear of being racially profiled and having their civil rights violated, the state of Arizona's new immigration law will definitely send more people back to where they came from, "craphole" or not, but the bill does nothing to prevent more illegals from walking over the border nor encourage people to become citizens. In other words, the law focuses on the consequences more than a more productive deterrent.

I'm fully aware of California Penal Code Section 834b and I agree that the law is very similar to what was recently passed in Arizona, however, unlike Penal Code Section 834b, Arizona's means of enforcement differ significantly. People who look suspicious -- to law enforcement -- need to carry registration documents and have them on hand. It's very draconian way of handling immigration. Additionally, SB 1070 doesn't give immigrants the option to pursue legal citizenship. Instead, the penalty for an illegal alien immigration status is jail following relevant costs and additional assessments pursuant to Section 3(D). You think illegal immigrants could afford those costs? Once they're busted, they're sent to jail on a class 1 misdemeanor and having that misdemeanor on record will make it harder to pursue legal citizenship. In California, enforcing immigration law is left at the discretion of law enforcement to determine the severity of the law breach. I've looked at immigration cases in California and I can tell you that judges presiding over these cases will force defendants -- who were taken into custody for not having legal citizenship -- to apply for citizenship via a court order. These rulings eliminate the possibility of receiving jailtime and having to pay for jail. Besides, California's prisons are very overcrowded -- and many people in prison are illegal immigrants.

I support Arizona's other sections in the bill that penalize employers for knowingly and unknowingly hire illegal immigrants, but I think that would have been fine as a standalone bill. Those portions of the bill were put in context with legislation that is more of an emotional, knee-jerk response to the issue than a plausible one.

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Does anyone remember the Mariel boatlift of 1980? Castro sent over 100,000 Cubans to Florida and they were granted refugee status with all the rights that came with that. Then it was discovered than many of them were criminals, mentally ill or otherwise undesirable to Castro. That was just 100,000. With the illegals we have no way of knowing how is coming over, where they are going and what crimes they may have committed. Florida had federal help with the boatlift, Arizona is going it alone and doing the best they can in the absence of federal oversight that should be taking the lead. Everyone at the federal level, ICE, HSA all the way to the president are derelict in their duty and the oath they took.

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Everyone at the federal level, ICE, HSA all the way to the president are derelict in their duty and the oath they took.

In your opinion. You forgot to leave that part out.

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2010 statistics are based on goal projections by the ICE, but in reality, both of the amount of criminal and non-criminal deportations may be less than 2009.

Either get your facts straight, mention that your opinion is just an opinion without projecting it like it's a fact or shut up.

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I'm not jumping into this argument but I gotta question what was said and the chart for counter. First does the chart reflect the crimes they did over in Mexico? As Botox was saying the immigrants were criminals in their own country first. then I gotta question of those deported how many weren't caught doing any crime, even though perhaps they did?

How many of these immigrants come over to commit crime (such as the Drug Mules) and then return home and aren't caught for several times if ever? Finally I have to question the chart as a whole. What the heck is a non-criminal deportation. Why are they being deported? Are they not being deported as they are a illegal immigrant? If so, that should make them a criminal by the law. Then the chart doesn't really represent a true analysis. The whole thing has me confused on to what people are arguing over.

To me the law is the law, if you break it, your a criminal. And as such subject to the penalty as such. If you want to change the law so be it, campaign for a change. But for now the way I see it law is a law. If you think in the Christan faith, there is no Sin higher than another. All sins are equal, therefor If someone illegal comes into this country against it's laws does that make them more or less of a criminal than the ones that do it to perpetrate a "higher" crime while they are here illegally? The whole thing leaves me confused!

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The chart does not reflect crimes that happen in Mexico.

Simply put, a non-criminal deportation is when an immigrant is caught in the act of crossing the border or has just crossed the border. Those are basically border stops.

The question is whether the feds are doing their job with immigration enforcement and judging by the rising number of deportations, it appears that they are -- but not as much as some would like.

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